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I do not know about anyone else but I am getting sick and tired of getting text messages etc, asking was I interested in a payday loan. I have had seven in the last two weeks and am getting slightly pissed off with it. Yesterday I tried to telephone the latest one but surprise surprise they only had an address and a e mail address, but no actual direct line telephone number.
One of the things I am amazed about is that there seems very little legislation in place to protect people from these companies. The likes of Wonga etc who advertise on tv charge a whopping 2000% interest on their loans. Some companies charge closer to 3000% on short term loans. I think that is a scandal as they are borrowing to people who have in many cases no option open to them. I of course understand that they are lending money to people who are a high risk customer, but surely it is about time these companies were forced by law to charge a more acceptable amount of interest?
Many times these companies target deliberately the people who can ill afford to pay back these loans, and recent reports suggest that in some cases 43% of repeat business is to people who could not pay the original loan, so borrow more to pay off the original loan and so the spiral of debt continues.
I have written to my local MP ( yes he does do something for his £65 grand a year salary wink ), and am still waiting for some kind of reply. These firms are of course there to make money but at the expense of the poorest, and the ones who are the most vulnerable. When a customer then cannot pay that debt, the harassment the customer suffers as a consequence leads some people to take their own lives as was reported in a newspaper today. A company like Wonga as an example once they have you will offer you an " open credit agreement " where they give you a certain amount that you can draw on every month at extortionate rates.
Surely it is about time to put these companies up for scrutiny into their practices?
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charge a whopping 2000% interest on their loans. Some companies charge closer to 3000% on short term loans.
Surely it is about time to put these companies up for scrutiny into their practices?

And the reason for part of this I suspect is their complete lack of checks and balances.
We found some paperwork last year for an ex employee who was using pay day loan companies and pawn shops to raise cash but using old / out of date addresses. He had no intention of paying the money back, poor ID checks means the companies are going to have trouble chasing him for his debts so everyone else gets charged to cover his debts. And the companies know this as they will have built into their business models / business plans expected levels of default and hence the interest rates they need to charge.
And the ones being stung will always be the honest, hard working souls who need the money the most whilst the crooks get away scot free.
I too agree that their interest rates are verging on the criminal, but until they are regulated properly they will get away with it!
I believe some have been closed down, but not enough in my humble opinion!
As to getting peed off by unwanted phone and text messages, why do I continually get these silly PPI messages? I've never had it, never needed it and never wanted it!! (PPI that is)
Not new, been around as long as currency, but now they can advertise openly, supported by governments who realise that some people are so desperately poor in this State that they have to resort to such high interest loans, Provident have been doing it for more years than I can remember.
Personally I am sick of most repeat adverts (except my treasured Meerkats) but they are another necessary evil.
A child dies every 5 seconds in Africa, why ? we have been pumping money into the region for longer than I have been alive and I am 58.
I now feel any money I donate would be wasted, it might save one child only to allow more children being brought into a horrendous lifestyle.
I look at things like cancer research and see that people who would have died 30 or 40 years ago now have a chance of life, I can see progress, I cannot see that progress in saving african children, all I see is more dictators getting richer and more charitable organisations paying it's executives and fundraising companies more money.
Will I save a child today, No, will I pay £2 a week to bring fresh water, No, I paid all that years ago and it didn't work.
If I pay today I will be assisting the situation to continue for another 50 years.
I watched the news today, A new public statue for Birmingham City Centre = £1million, they already have over 100 statues, a man with a disabled son being charged bedroom tax because his son only spends 2 days a week with him and the rest in hospital.
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As to getting peed off by unwanted phone and text messages, why do I continually get these silly PPI messages? I've never had it, never needed it and never wanted it!! (PPI that is)

I agree.
What I cannot seem to understand is with the Data protection Act out there now, and every time you want to talk to anyone on the phone and the security stuff you have to go through, how these companies manage to get people's numbers? Obviously the numbers are on some kind of data base, but it seems that they can sell this information without a persons knowledge or approval, yet for anything else they will not tell you anything because of the Act.
How can that be?
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Not new, been around as long as currency, but now they can advertise openly, supported by governments who realise that some people are so desperately poor in this State that they have to resort to such high interest loans, Provident have been doing it for more years than I can remember.
Personally I am sick of most repeat adverts (except my treasured Meerkats) but they are another necessary evil.
A child dies every 5 seconds in Africa, why ? we have been pumping money into the region for longer than I have been alive and I am 58.
I now feel any money I donate would be wasted, it might save one child only to allow more children being brought into a horrendous lifestyle.
I look at things like cancer research and see that people who would have died 30 or 40 years ago now have a chance of life, I can see progress, I cannot see that progress in saving african children, all I see is more dictators getting richer and more charitable organisations paying it's executives and fundraising companies more money.
Will I save a child today, No, will I pay £2 a week to bring fresh water, No, I paid all that years ago and it didn't work.
If I pay today I will be assisting the situation to continue for another 50 years.
I watched the news today, A new public statue for Birmingham City Centre = £1million, they already have over 100 statues, a man with a disabled son being charged bedroom tax because his son only spends 2 days a week with him and the rest in hospital.

Mids I am sorry but what the fuck has any of that got to do with pay day loans firms? You in the right thread? lol
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What I cannot seem to understand is with the Data protection Act out there now, and every time you want to talk to anyone on the phone and the security stuff you have to go through, how these companies manage to get people's numbers? Obviously the numbers are on some kind of data base, but it seems that they can sell this information without a persons knowledge or approval, yet for anything else they will not tell you anything because of the Act.
How can that be?

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Cheers Flower....I knew that there would be a time when you would be beneficial. rotflmao
Pay Day loans etc are awful and targeted at the most vulnerable people.
If your money often doesn't make it to pay day, taking a loan out to bridge the gap will only make things worse - and possibly drive you into a spiral or more and more debt, losing your home (and possibly family), losing your job (often a side effect of losing your home/car), bankruptcy.
If your money normally makes it to the end of the month but your car needs work so you are short this month. Talking one of these loans out will be like having work done to your car (albeit a smaller amount) every single month, and if you can't make the payments - they increase with no upper limit until you get into the spiral or more and more debt, losing your home (and possibly family), losing your job (often a side effect of losing your home/car), bankruptcy.
If you can get money ANY OTHER WAY, even throwing yourself on the mercy of your mother-in-law, it is better than these corrosive deals.
Another warning, a friend's son took out a Wonga loan (he was working at that point) then lost his job and couldn't make the payment. His Mum made a single payment on her debit card - she did NOT formally take over the loan - but the next month's payment came out of HER account. In the microscopic print it says that if you make a payment you take over the loan - this is the small print for the original borrower, no wonder my friend knew nothing of it. If you want to help a person out to make a payment, transfer money into an account for them to pay from - don't ever use your own details. In the advert is those bonkers old folks say "we give you all the information you need - - - " no they flaming don't!
I wish there was a system of micro-loans in this country like there is in India.
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Pay Day loans etc are awful and targeted at the most vulnerable people.
If your money often doesn't make it to pay day, taking a loan out to bridge the gap will only make things worse - and possibly drive you into a spiral or more and more debt, losing your home (and possibly family), losing your job (often a side effect of losing your home/car), bankruptcy.
If your money normally makes it to the end of the month but your car needs work so you are short this month. Talking one of these loans out will be like having work done to your car (albeit a smaller amount) every single month, and if you can't make the payments - they increase with no upper limit until you get into the spiral or more and more debt, losing your home (and possibly family), losing your job (often a side effect of losing your home/car), bankruptcy.
If you can get money ANY OTHER WAY, even throwing yourself on the mercy of your mother-in-law, it is better than these corrosive deals.
Another warning, a friend's son took out a Wonga loan (he was working at that point) then lost his job and couldn't make the payment. His Mum made a single payment on her debit card - she did NOT formally take over the loan - but the next month's payment came out of HER account. In the microscopic print it says that if you make a payment you take over the loan - this is the small print for the original borrower, no wonder my friend knew nothing of it. If you want to help a person out to make a payment, transfer money into an account for them to pay from - don't ever use your own details. In the advert is those bonkers old folks say "we give you all the information you need - - - " no they flaming don't!
I wish there was a system of micro-loans in this country like there is in India.

Thanks for that Foxy. It certainly is a bit worrying if you make a payment for someone and they default. Small print is one thing but I wonder if it would stand up in court?
Wonga as an example make their adverts look all shiny and bright with comical characters in them. But be warned these companies will bankrupt you as easy as look at you, and will show no mercy. It is about time these companies were made unlawful and that their trading standards were looked into seriously.
I got the impression that the thread was a two fold "have a go, get it out of your system" at both high interest loans and unwanted advertising, so I chipped in on both subjects, high interest loans and unwanted adverts smile sorry if I misunderstood
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I got the impression that the thread was a two fold "have a go, get it out of your system" at both high interest loans and unwanted advertising, so I chipped in on both subjects, high interest loans and unwanted adverts smile sorry if I misunderstood

Awww Mids..........give me a group hug. passionkisssillyassionkiss:
Take the directors of these companies outside and shoot them in front of their fa......
No doubt the system of lending to those who in a more financially unstable position or those that cannot prove a good credit history does bring greater risk.
I am sure there is % of loans made where they expect default.
The super high interest rate must be compensating for those losses and even those that default will be hunted down, to get a loan you have to give credit or debit card details which means that they can simply take the money out of your bank without any further permissions from you.
Declare your card lost and get another, the banks have no choice but to give them the details of your new card or your new bank details if you choose to change banks.
Then there are the numerous debt collection companies who will hunt down and chase defaulters.