Poll Tax - Why was it so bad?

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
yes dave did you not read my original post regards this ???
i was informed that the relevent departments had not received them :doh:

Oh dear. Never heard of registered post? If it is important then I always send it this way so it can be proved they received it.
Dave_Notts
my god dave you sound more each day like your working in the council
sending registered mail is only conformation that the mail reached the council not the relevant departments
as quoted by the relevant departments!!!! flipa

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
yes dave did you not read my original post regards this ???
i was informed that the relevent departments had not received them :doh:

Oh dear. Never heard of registered post? If it is important then I always send it this way so it can be proved they received it.
Dave_Notts
my god dave you sound more each day like your working in the council
sending registered mail is only conformation that the mail reached the council not the relevant departments
as quoted by the relevant departments!!!! flipa

They have told you that it doesn't count that it reached the organisation but not the department?
Registered post to the registered address, or council, is a legal way of serving for legal documents, so someone is talking bollox here
Dave_Notts

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
yes dave did you not read my original post regards this ???
i was informed that the relevent departments had not received them :doh:

Oh dear. Never heard of registered post? If it is important then I always send it this way so it can be proved they received it.
Dave_Notts
my god dave you sound more each day like your working in the council
sending registered mail is only conformation that the mail reached the council not the relevant departments
as quoted by the relevant departments!!!! flipa

They have told you that it doesn't count that it reached the organisation but not the department?
Registered post to the registered address, or council, is a legal way of serving for legal documents, so someone is talking bollox here
Dave_Notts
dave its an akward couple of foi requests not a fucking court summons ,really dave you know damm well it goes on and if you dont like what you read then dont reply or ask the questions
do you know why a high court summons is served by hand ????
you might wanna read this included in the countrys worst three is birmingham council
Q fucking E,D

you might wanna stop posting bollocks and leave the council job at work ol chap

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22 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
yes dave did you not read my original post regards this ???
i was informed that the relevent departments had not received them :doh:

Oh dear. Never heard of registered post? If it is important then I always send it this way so it can be proved they received it.
Dave_Notts
my god dave you sound more each day like your working in the council
sending registered mail is only conformation that the mail reached the council not the relevant departments
as quoted by the relevant departments!!!! flipa

They have told you that it doesn't count that it reached the organisation but not the department?
Registered post to the registered address, or council, is a legal way of serving for legal documents, so someone is talking bollox here
Dave_Notts
dave its an akward couple of foi requests not a fucking court summons ,really dave you know damm well it goes on and if you dont like what you read then dont reply or ask the questions
do you know why a high court summons is served by hand ????
you might wanna read this included in the country's worst three is birmingham council
Q fucking E,D

you might wanna stop posting bollocks and leave the council job at work ol chap

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OK ... I`ve missed your point completely here..
You said that the council had claimed to have not received your request, why is your link relevent to that ?
the link is relevant to one of daves previous answers as to how long it should take to process a foi request :doh:
the reason for hand delivering a high court summons is relevant to why the council can receive a letter but seemingly loose it flower
please read all the discussion if you feel the need to ask any further questions rolleyes

you might also like to do a little more research on councils unwilling to deal with foi requests in a reasonable allotted time or manner innocent

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
What would you do if they weren't in or on holiday?

if they were not in i would ask when they were back. if they were on holiday the same answer applys. if it was that important i would hand deliver it to God himself..............the leeder of the council wink

Quote by Dave__Notts
Also, what if their mail, by policy, had to go through admin before they got to them?

from what i know about MY council is that admin do not open other peeples letters. anyway that would not be relevent as there is no way some thing so important would be handed and read by an admin person not if it was that important to me.
some times peeple put obsticles in the way when obsticles are not there. :twisted:

22 Aug 2011

When I was a grown up I didnt open my own mail. Think of the health and safety risks for a start. Paper cuts oucheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
dave its an akward couple of foi requests not a fucking court summons ,really dave you know damm well it goes on and if you dont like what you read then dont reply or ask the questions

I ask the questions as what you are saying does not make sense. If you wish to add to a public board then expect a reply.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
do you know why a high court summons is served by hand ????

Oh makes a good argument then falls on its arse because you failed to mention that delivering by hand is only one way of four to properly issue a summons from a high court.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you might wanna read this included in the countrys worst three is birmingham council

It made interesting reading. I liked the bit that stated due to the cuts and increased FOI requests then there is a backlog. Some wanted cuts, now they have them they still complain.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Q fucking E,D

It doesn’t conclude the proof……….

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you might wanna stop posting bollocks and leave the council job at work ol chap

Awwwww getting your toys all over the clean forum floor. I’ll pick them up for you and put them back in your pram.

22 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
if they were not in i would ask when they were back. if they were on holiday the same answer applys. if it was that important i would hand deliver it to God himself..............the leeder of the council

I would want to do the same, but some companies that I deal with wouldn't allowed you to deliver it by hand, unless your business is worth more to them. It would be irrelevant to how much you want to, they would not meet you.
As for Councils, I suspect that they may be more accomadating.

Quote by starlightcouple
from what i know about MY council is that admin do not open other peeples letters. anyway that would not be relevent as there is no way some thing so important would be handed and read by an admin person not if it was that important to me.

I know that some councils do not even open their own letters Star. Private companies open them and then pass them onto the relevant departments. Council letters may not even be opened in a Council.
Dave_Notts

22 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
As for Councils, I suspect that they may be more accomadating.

i am confused dave. are councils not what we are talking about here dunno

if so then anything else is not relevent to this debate.

Quote by Dave__Notts
I know that some councils do not even open their own letters Star. Private companies open them and then pass them onto the relevant departments. Council letters may not even be opened in a Council.

not my council dave and that is all that is important to me :notes: on the two ocasions i have delivered a letter by hand and got it signed for, they have been very very acommodating.:thumbup:

22 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
not my council dave and that is all that is important to me :notes: on the two ocasions i have delivered a letter by hand and got it signed for, they have been very very acommodating.:thumbup:

Very very accommodating? Thats good to hear that your council gives good customer service to their residents :thumbup:
When I have had need to complain I just follow the complaints procedure and seem to get a resolution within a reasonable time..........except one that dragged out for 18 plus months but was eventually settled.
Dave_Notts

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
dave its an akward couple of foi requests not a fucking court summons ,really dave you know damm well it goes on and if you dont like what you read then dont reply or ask the questions

I ask the questions as what you are saying does not make sense. If you wish to add to a public board then expect a reply.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
do you know why a high court summons is served by hand ????

Oh makes a good argument then falls on its arse because you failed to mention that delivering by hand is only one way of four to properly issue a summons from a high court.
you might wish to read this dave

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you might wanna read this included in the countrys worst three is birmingham council

It made interesting reading. I liked the bit that stated due to the cuts and increased FOI requests then there is a backlog. Some wanted cuts, now they have them they still complain.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Q fucking E,D

It doesn’t conclude the proof……….

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you might wanna stop posting bollocks and leave the council job at work ol chap

you forgot i added these dave

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Awwwww getting your toys all over the clean forum floor. I’ll pick them up for you and put them back in your pram.
i did wonder when this would be brought into play (aww the cuts :violin smile

my dear straw cluching fellow debater
you ask me a series of questions regarding deliverence of some foi requests to a particularly slippery and probably corupt self serving council
and you get all pooee when you dont like the answers
sorry dave you do make me chuckle
i do beleive the rather large saliva covered fresh spat dummy belongs to your good self
10 out of 10 for you loyalty towards these institutions
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23 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
I know that some councils do not even open their own letters Star. Private companies open them and then pass them onto the relevant departments. Council letters may not even be opened in a Council.
Dave_Notts

ffs dave are you now telling me its possable the letters dont even arrive at the council first and a third party may decide what depatments get what letters
my god if i had weeks to waste i could take the time to find out if the person the signed my registered mail even works for the council
sort of self argues a previous statement you made
flipa

23 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
You said they had lost your request.
The link you posted stated that there was a backlog.
Two different things.
No wonder you are getting yourself confused.

so you didn`t read the whole debate then dunno

or even my last reply
top marks flower you really are a jam filled dougnut

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23 Aug 2011

If Councils returned to opening their own letters again and employed an old style chief officer instead of the high flying very expensive chief executive officers they now seem to have (salary circa £120k plus) who can't be bothered to pick up a letter opener, then perhaps the savings the ConDem alliance are looking for in local council budgets could be achieved without reducing the level of front line services to 'clients' - you know, those people who actually pay these idiots to sit around in very expensive ivory towers and do nothing.

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
do you know why a high court summons is served by hand ????

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Oh makes a good argument then falls on its arse because you failed to mention that delivering by hand is only one way of four to properly issue a summons from a high court.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you might wish to read this dave

You posted a link to another countrys' citizen advice about their law to back up an argument on the law practice in this country rolleyes

Priceless

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Dave_Notts

23 Aug 2011

Quote by GnV
If Councils returned to opening their own letters again and employed an old style chief officer instead of the high flying very expensive chief executive officers they now seem to have (salary circa £120k plus) who can't be bothered to pick up a letter opener, then perhaps the savings the ConDem alliance are looking for in local council budgets could be achieved without reducing the level of front line services to 'clients' - you know, those people who actually pay these idiots to sit around in very expensive ivory towers and do nothing.

I have always said they are paid too much. However, alot of government bodies have now outsourced to private companies for administration. I can see good and bad in both systems but as a taxpayer, if it costs less, then I am happy.
Dave_Notts

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

I know that some councils do not even open their own letters Star. Private companies open them and then pass them onto the relevant departments. Council letters may not even be opened in a Council.
Dave_Notts

ffs dave are you now telling me its possable the letters dont even arrive at the council first and a third party may decide what depatments get what letters
my god if i had weeks to waste i could take the time to find out if the person the signed my registered mail even works for the council
sort of self argues a previous statement you made
flipa

Thats progress for ya Lizzy
Dave_Notts

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i did wonder when this would be brought into play (aww the cuts :violin
my dear straw cluching fellow debater
you ask me a series of questions regarding deliverence of some foi requests to a particularly slippery and probably corupt self serving council
and you get all pooee when you dont like the answers
sorry dave you do make me chuckle
i do beleive the rather large saliva covered fresh spat dummy belongs to your good self
10 out of 10 for you loyalty towards these institutions
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

No straw clutching here Lizzy. A plain simple fact that some government bodies are cutting back 25%, therefore backlogs will appear. I don't mind as I can see that if you take something away then you don't speed up a system. Service will be affected unless technology can be brought in to speed it up. In the case of FOI's, they could be labour intensive, and if the labour has been cut then the backlog will happen. It seems simple to me.
I am uninterested in your FOI but asked you a simple question as to whether you had taken your complaint to the FOI Commisioner, as perhaps you may not have known. In this instance, you have thrown your toys out the prams again and think everyone is out to get you.
My loyalty is not to these institutions, but sometimes the simple practice of what they do needs explaining to others as they do not know or just want to ignore what they do.
Now I'll have to clear the floor again to get your toys cleaned up
Dave_Notts

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
top marks flower you really are a jam filled dougnut
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

there you go

:notes:
:rascal::rascal:

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts

i did wonder when this would be brought into play (aww the cuts :violin
my dear straw cluching fellow debater
you ask me a series of questions regarding deliverence of some foi requests to a particularly slippery and probably corupt self serving council
and you get all pooee when you dont like the answers
sorry dave you do make me chuckle
i do beleive the rather large saliva covered fresh spat dummy belongs to your good self
10 out of 10 for you loyalty towards these institutions
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

No straw clutching here Lizzy. A plain simple fact that some government bodies are cutting back 25%, therefore backlogs will appear. I don't mind as I can see that if you take something away then you don't speed up a system. Service will be affected unless technology can be brought in to speed it up. In the case of FOI's, they could be labour intensive, and if the labour has been cut then the backlog will happen. It seems simple to me.
I am uninterested in your FOI but asked you a simple question as to whether you had taken your complaint to the FOI Commisioner, as perhaps you may not have known. In this instance, you have thrown your toys out the prams again and think everyone is out to get you.
My loyalty is not to these institutions, but sometimes the simple practice of what they do needs explaining to others as they do not know or just want to ignore what they do.
Now I'll have to clear the floor again to get your toys cleaned up
Dave_Notts
ermmm yes dave you to swept a whole host of things under the carpet whilst clearing up your first tantrum
as for toys mine are well and trully tucked up safe in the garage :twisted: :twisted:

23 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

top marks flower you really are a jam filled dougnut
:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

there you go

:notes:
:rascal::rascal:
or is it a donut wink

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23 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
Not quite sure why a thread about the poll tax turned into one about freedom of information ....but don`t ya just love it !!
I put in a few freedom of information requests to various people lately and they were dealt with quickly and efficiently.
Maybe they can spot time wasters and treat them accordingly.
I`d be proud of my council if they were successfully weeding out the time wasters and dealing with their requests in the correct manner.

yawns,scratches arse and wanders off to find something interesting

23 Aug 2011

:notes:
making lots of :notes:

23 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
OOOOO
I can give ya lots of pointers on how to make your freedom of information request look legitimate...
The simplest is for it to be real ....contrary to some opinion many councils employ intelligent people who can spot a timewaster a mile off .

thankyou mr flower but i at this time do not need any help with a freedom of information request but will bare it in mind for the future.:thumbup:

23 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
:notes:
making lots of :notes:

OOOOO
I can give ya lots of pointers on how to make your freedom of information request look legitimate...
The simplest is for it to be real ....contrary to some opinion many councils employ intelligent people who can spot a timewaster a mile off .
And just like any organisation the intelligent people with the information can give the runaround to anybody that thinks they know the rules but actually knows jack shit .
foi requests are there for transparency flower, some councils like my own don't like it when tender inside only information is requested
as for intelligence i doubt most council employee`s have much if any, other wise delicate need to know information wouldn`t be requested by the likes of me innocent

tell me was you foi requests about moderation and preferential treatment towards other forum users on sh as you still seem to harp on about it

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im not sure if this is yours or daves but i suspect its yours wink

23 Aug 2011

Quote by flower411
Awww
Still having trouble with your freedom of information requests then .
Keep us updated ....we`d all love to know if you are successful
My money is on you claiming to have been successfull within the next couple of weeks.

i very much doubt that flower too much time has elapsed and the infomation i want will by now have well and trully been corupted or moved
you really dont know a lot about councils do you
i would have thought with your experiance you would have known better how the council and its services work
in fact i do believe you posted regards some time back wink

23 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizzy
Some whinny comments, posted a photo, slagged off councils and council workers and threw the toys out again

So nothing to say really then

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Dave_Notts

24 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
Some whinny comments, posted a photo, slagged off councils and council workers and threw the toys out again

some nervous reply rather than answer some of the links or questions posted
Dave_Notts
sighs, rolls eyes and wanders off to find staggers for a qualified well thought out debate wink

24 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Some whinny comments, posted a photo, slagged off councils and council workers and threw the toys out again

some nervous reply rather than answer some of the links or questions posted
Dave_Notts
sighs, rolls eyes and wanders off to find staggers for a qualified well thought out debate wink

Thank feck for that, he may be able to give you some idea how to reply.
As for answering the links...........you mean the one from another country that does not relate to here

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Dave_Notts

24 Aug 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
Some whinny comments, posted a photo, slagged off councils and council workers and threw the toys out again

some nervous reply rather than answer some of the links or questions posted
Dave_Notts
sighs, rolls eyes and wanders off to find staggers for a qualified well thought out debate wink

Thank feck for that, he may be able to give you some idea how to reply.
As for answering the links...........you mean the one from another country that does not relate to here

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Dave_Notts
really dave i just see you stamping your feet ignoring certain parts of posts (you know the awkward ones flipa

)
just for you northern Ireland and Ireland are governed by the very same high court process as the UK which goes to show you nothing and plenty of it (
you mention the 3 other ways of serving a high court summons ...............reads back oh no you did`t did you deary deary davey again you post plenty but never back any of what you say there are other ways but ONLY if the plaintiff cannot possibly be served BY HAND and an aplication must then be made to court (wonders why you cant just post it reg mail in the first place) :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
so i`ll ask again do you know why it is so important to serve a high court summons/writ BY HAND. deary dave innocent