Poll Tax - Why was it so bad?

24 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
really dave i just see you stamping your feet ignoring certain parts of posts (you know the awkward ones )

Nah Lizzy. I ain't stamping my feet, I just point out the flaws in your argument then watch your toys fly out.

Quote by Lizaleanrob
just for you northern Ireland and Ireland are governed by the very same high court process as the UK which goes to show you nothing and plenty of it

Are you really sure that the Republic of Ireland (different country to NI) has the exact same process as the UK? The Irish system has to take note of the written Irish constitution.........In the UK we do not have a written constitution. Ooooops......fell at the first hurdle

Quote by Lizaleanrob
you mention the 3 other ways of serving a high court summons ...............reads back oh no you did`t did you deary deary davey again you post plenty but never back any of what you say

Did you miss the the 8th post down on page 4? But I did make a mistake as it is 4 other ways not 3. See next paragraph. I was getting mixed up with service of a notice that is 4 ways.......but there again, that may be 5 also now

Quote by Lizaleanrob
there are other ways but ONLY if the plaintiff cannot possibly be served BY HAND and an aplication must then be made to court (wonders why you cant just post it reg mail in the first place)

There are five valid ways of service. Taken from the Civil Procedure Rules 1998
Methods of service—general
(1) A document may be served by any of the following methods—
(a)personal service
(b)first class post;.
(c)leaving the document at a place specified in rule 6.5;.
(d)through a document exchange in accordance with the relevant practice direction; or.
(e)by fax or other means of electronic communication in accordance with the relevant practice direction..
A solicitor in the UK served on Facebook, after she had read about a similar serving in Australia

Quote by Lizaleanrob
so i`ll ask again do you know why it is so important to serve a high court summons/writ BY HAND. deary dave

Go on, tell me why it is important to serve by hand (even though there are 4 other ways of service). Go on, I know you want to tell me.
Dave_Notts

25 Aug 2011

so you dont know the difference between high court serving and all other court servings then flipa

i`ll leave you to wonder why its suh a lucrative business to hand serve high court writs/summons
you really dont know do you

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dont worry dave you got all weekend to google as im off to luton hoo for the weekend tonight wink

25 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
dont worry dave you got all weekend to google as im off to luton hoo for the weekend tonight

Nah.........I'll wait for you to come back and tell me, as your explanations are usually links or photos lol

I'm just wondering if I am going to get another link to the Republic as an answer rotflmao

I could find your definition of High Court interesting, as this is what you are leaning towards. It would be interesting to know which part of the High Court (Queens Bench, Chancery, Family, etc) you believe is not covered by the Civil Procedure Rules
Dave_Notts

25 Aug 2011

Quote by Too Hot
I was around at the time of the Poll Tax riots and could never really fathom out why there was so much opposition to it.
In my very simple mind everyone over 18 years old should contribute to the on going services provided by the Council. Ten people in a house create ten times as much rubbish as one person, five times as much as two people and pro rata the demand on services surely must increase as the population increases.
Just why was it perceived to be so unfair? It seemed perfectly sensible and logical to me.

I rather liked the Poll Tax

25 Aug 2011

I was young and just paid it but never gave it a thought. It was there one minute and gone the next.
Dave_Notts

26 Aug 2011

Quote by deancannock
the idea the more people in a house means you use more rubbish does not always add up. The council will only allow one bin per household ( thou you do get that split now with garden refuse and re-cyle refuse). So even if you did have 4 in your household as opposed to 2 next door, you would still have the same amount of bins emptied.

Ok, whilst I agree with the second part of this post I do have an issue with the part quoted above.
If your going to state what the council will or won't o, how about remembering a few historical facts.
1. The Poll tax riots kicked off around March 1990.
2. Wheelie bins were not in general use at the time of the poll tax riots, in fact I believe only one local council was using them in March 1990.
3. Today's waste collections are different to those of the time in 1990.
4. In 1990 most people had their refuse contained in a traditional bin that required a man to physically lift the bin so as to empty it's contents.
5. The Household Waste Recycling Act that forced local councils to collect recyclables wasnt law until 2003, and enforceable until 2004.
Therefore whilst I agree with your arguement that can only, and is surely, based solely on todays standards, I don't think it works within it's historical period.
The facts are that there was very little in the way of kerbside recycling, there was very little home composting, only a dim but growing environmental awareness, little government direct control and therefore homes didn't just get one bin emptied each week. It was, from memory, more like three or four bins EVERY week.
So, with nothing getting recycled and little to no wish to anyway, it's easy to see that the throw away society DID in fact produce more rubbish per person back then, than it does now.

26 Aug 2011

Quote by Trevaunance
The facts are that there was very little in the way of kerbside recycling, there was very little home composting, only a dim but growing environmental awareness, little government direct control and therefore homes didn't just get one bin emptied each week. It was, from memory, more like three or four bins EVERY week.
So, with nothing getting recycled and little to no wish to anyway, it's easy to see that the throw away society DID in fact produce more rubbish per person back then, than it does now.

Quote by after deano
the idea the more people in a house means you use more rubbish does not always add up. The council will only allow one bin per household ( thou you do get that split now with garden refuse and re-cyle refuse). So even if you did have 4 in your household as opposed to 2 next door, you would still have the same amount of bins emptied.

makes perfect sence.:thumbup: