I bloody hope not!
Having seen a lot of the footage from the protests, the police behaved impeccably, some were very professional despite unnecessary and violent behaviour towards them, so when the officer in the clip acts the way he does, I feel the Metropolitan Police have no choice but to punish him to the fullest extent possible.
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Potentially swept under the carpet?
Sex God
They've just announced a full independent inquiry haven't they?
The video evidence is very damning so am sure they will be identified.
The video evidence is very damning so am sure they will be identified.
Sex God
Well, the officer came forward - eventually. That delay is utterly shameful - almost as shameful as the unwarranted assault he committed.
I think that the demonstration should never have gone ahead anyway.
I am the first in line for free speech and all that but.....I think we all knew where that demonstration was going to end a matter of public safety, it should have been banned.
Do we really want a police force that have to endure that kind of aggresion, and then cannot act?
The provocation that was shown towards the police was dreadful. It seemed to me that the guy who was hit, deliberatly starting walking slower when the copper shouted at him. That is how I viewed it.
I do not condone the police actions but.....I wonder what kind of punishments the ferel yobs who were hell bent on causing trouble, will get when they come before the courts.
A slap on the wrist, but the copper who hits out under extreme provocation, will no doubt lose his job and his pension.
Now I hear that the woman that was hit is deeply traumatised. Yeah right...not too traumatised to get her solicitor to sort out a large compensation package I bet.
Next we will have a police force that cannot go in and break up a fight for fear of being sacked. Crazy.
Btw.....I feel for the family of the guy who did have a heart attack, and the guy himself.
I am the first in line for free speech and all that but.....I think we all knew where that demonstration was going to end a matter of public safety, it should have been banned.
Do we really want a police force that have to endure that kind of aggresion, and then cannot act?
The provocation that was shown towards the police was dreadful. It seemed to me that the guy who was hit, deliberatly starting walking slower when the copper shouted at him. That is how I viewed it.
I do not condone the police actions but.....I wonder what kind of punishments the ferel yobs who were hell bent on causing trouble, will get when they come before the courts.
A slap on the wrist, but the copper who hits out under extreme provocation, will no doubt lose his job and his pension.
Now I hear that the woman that was hit is deeply traumatised. Yeah right...not too traumatised to get her solicitor to sort out a large compensation package I bet.
Next we will have a police force that cannot go in and break up a fight for fear of being sacked. Crazy.
Btw.....I feel for the family of the guy who did have a heart attack, and the guy himself.
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It seemed to me that the guy who was hit, deliberatly starting walking slower when the copper shouted at him.
It looked like this to me too. Sort of like he was not moving away from the police lines when being told to.
Anyone in their right mind would realise that this results in a whack from the riot squad and then a group of them whisk you off to be arrested... often violently.
i have been near the front at times like this... and you always get a warning before you get batton charged...although it is different in places like Italy and Turkey.. so if youre still in the way when a pumped up riot squad operative is coming towards you , you can end up seriously injured.
This man never deserved to die. It is a massive shame he did and i doubt that an officer who firstly battoned him on the legs then pushed him onto the floor could have forseen that later he would have died.
the copper should resign.
The copper resigning is a bit harsh.
As an ardent follower of Chelsea in the 70's, which was the height of the violence, I saw a hell of a lot worse than what I saw at the G20 demo, from the police.
They seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Believe me I am no lover of the police at the best of times but....they have an unenviable task at times.
Had that guy not died then I am sure we would have heard nothing about the police violence, which does happen at most occasions such as this one.
I would never condone that kind of behaviour, and believe me I have been whacked a few times. But as I have got older I realise that under the circumstances the police are put under to control violent crowds, everyone becomes part of the problem.
Do we really want a police force, and there lies the word " force ", to become like many other trades whereby they have to tread on eggshells?
We live in a very violent world now, and if I was a copper that had just seen a mate bottled, or his head smashed open by a brick, thrown by some yob, I am sure that I would maybe over react, in that situation.
Nothing is perfect and I would not like to do a coppers job now, that's for sure.
I can only imagine what it must be like for a copper, to be faced with snarling violent people, wanting to smash your face in. I wonder how even the most ardent haters of retaliation, would react?
In most countries they have much more powerful methods of dealing with these kinds of people, hell bent on causing mayhem, but the old British bobby, has to make do with a batton.
As an ardent follower of Chelsea in the 70's, which was the height of the violence, I saw a hell of a lot worse than what I saw at the G20 demo, from the police.
They seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Believe me I am no lover of the police at the best of times but....they have an unenviable task at times.
Had that guy not died then I am sure we would have heard nothing about the police violence, which does happen at most occasions such as this one.
I would never condone that kind of behaviour, and believe me I have been whacked a few times. But as I have got older I realise that under the circumstances the police are put under to control violent crowds, everyone becomes part of the problem.
Do we really want a police force, and there lies the word " force ", to become like many other trades whereby they have to tread on eggshells?
We live in a very violent world now, and if I was a copper that had just seen a mate bottled, or his head smashed open by a brick, thrown by some yob, I am sure that I would maybe over react, in that situation.
Nothing is perfect and I would not like to do a coppers job now, that's for sure.
I can only imagine what it must be like for a copper, to be faced with snarling violent people, wanting to smash your face in. I wonder how even the most ardent haters of retaliation, would react?
In most countries they have much more powerful methods of dealing with these kinds of people, hell bent on causing mayhem, but the old British bobby, has to make do with a batton.
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The copper resigning is a bit harsh.
Not as harsh as it would be if he were prosecuted. It would be an admission of some guilty feeling for hitting a man with his back turned and his hands in his pockets-who soon after died.
Commonly known as "doing the decent thing".
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They seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Believe me I am no lover of the police at the best of times but....they have an unenviable task at times.
This has alot to do with the media though,doesnt it? and what one sees from the comfort of his/her own armchair?
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Had that guy not died then I am sure we would have heard nothing about the police violence, which does happen at most occasions such as this one.
Again, it would probably depend on the the media one is listening/ family of the victim would always have a voice, somewhere, and supporters. So maybe not in certain circles... but they would have been making noises non the your use of the words "we" and "sure".. i have to say , are a little out of context.
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believe me I have been whacked a few times.
I have no problem believing this.
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Do we really want a police force, and there lies the word " force ", to become like many other trades whereby they have to tread on eggshells?
We dont have a police force... they are known nowadays as a "service". They are more accountable... but no-less capable and experienced in cover-ups, errors of judgement, impropriety and down-right inefficiency.
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I can only imagine what it must be like for a copper, to be faced with snarling violent people, wanting to smash your face in. I wonder how even the most ardent haters of retaliation, would react?
This wasnt retaliation... this was crowd control. There is a good piece of film on one of the links from the site discussing the police tactics. They were employing certain methods, including "kettling" ( the clue is in the name) which, In effect would make any mild mannered demonstrator feel a little hot under the collar.
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In most countries they have much more powerful methods of dealing with these kinds of people, hell bent on causing mayhem, but the old British bobby, has to make do with a batton.
I think you make an over generalization there...not only as to the motives of demonstrators, but also as to the tools that the police have at their disposal.
What happend ...happend ??? it was a split decision thing, in the heat of the moment all sorts of things flair up.
When there is a crowd of people with a few agitators baying for blood there will allways be a few who get caught up in what is happening .
It was disgracefull behaviour by the officer who with no regard for the person just hit and hit .
But would you like to be a police officer today with the responsibility of when to attack or defend.
The police in a situation are trained for this type of thing and yes we are not all the same and the police are human afterall.
They are quite an easy soft target for ridicule and scorn but again I wouldnt do the job.
steve
When there is a crowd of people with a few agitators baying for blood there will allways be a few who get caught up in what is happening .
It was disgracefull behaviour by the officer who with no regard for the person just hit and hit .
But would you like to be a police officer today with the responsibility of when to attack or defend.
The police in a situation are trained for this type of thing and yes we are not all the same and the police are human afterall.
They are quite an easy soft target for ridicule and scorn but again I wouldnt do the job.
steve
I was disgusted but not surprised at the behaviour of the police at this protest.
The media coverage was sensationalist as usual. We have had media saturation footage of that bloody window being smashed yet it took the protesters themselves to record footage of the passer by being beaten to the ground.
Last year Kent police spent £6 million quid policing a protest camp staged on private land. I was there and witnessed disgraceful overbearing police methods (an awful lot of met officers were drafted in). Kent police justified the expense partly by pointing out that 70 officers had been injured in the course of their duties.
The liberal democrats used the freedom of information act to explore the facts quoted. It turns out that of the 1500 police at the protest 12 suffered injuries, none of which were caused by direct contact with protesters. Only four of the 12 reportable injuries involved any contact with protesters at all and all were at the lowest level of seriousness with no further action taken.
The other injuries reported included "stung on finger by possible wasp"; "officer injured sitting in car"; and "officer succumbed to sun and heat". One officer cut his arm on a fence when climbing over it, another cut his finger while mending a car, and one "used leg to open door and next day had pain in lower back".
A separate breakdown of the 33 patients treated by the police tactical medicine unit at the climate camp shows that three officers had succumbed to heat exhaustion, three had toothache, six were bitten by insects, and others had diarrhoea, had cut their finger or had headaches.
This was the first time I had been involved in a protest with a heavy police presence and I was deeply shocked by how the police behaved.
The media coverage was sensationalist as usual. We have had media saturation footage of that bloody window being smashed yet it took the protesters themselves to record footage of the passer by being beaten to the ground.
Last year Kent police spent £6 million quid policing a protest camp staged on private land. I was there and witnessed disgraceful overbearing police methods (an awful lot of met officers were drafted in). Kent police justified the expense partly by pointing out that 70 officers had been injured in the course of their duties.
The liberal democrats used the freedom of information act to explore the facts quoted. It turns out that of the 1500 police at the protest 12 suffered injuries, none of which were caused by direct contact with protesters. Only four of the 12 reportable injuries involved any contact with protesters at all and all were at the lowest level of seriousness with no further action taken.
The other injuries reported included "stung on finger by possible wasp"; "officer injured sitting in car"; and "officer succumbed to sun and heat". One officer cut his arm on a fence when climbing over it, another cut his finger while mending a car, and one "used leg to open door and next day had pain in lower back".
A separate breakdown of the 33 patients treated by the police tactical medicine unit at the climate camp shows that three officers had succumbed to heat exhaustion, three had toothache, six were bitten by insects, and others had diarrhoea, had cut their finger or had headaches.
This was the first time I had been involved in a protest with a heavy police presence and I was deeply shocked by how the police behaved.
The day is coming when the police will not get involved with anything likely to render them to end up in court.
When violent demonstrators cause mayhem, or violent thugs at football matches go on the rampage, or yet another drunken thug on a Saturday night, wants to smash your face in, what would happen if that officer just walked on by?
You cannot run a society where the police have to wear " kid gloves ". That will be the end of the road for us all.
The police have an impossible job at the best of times. I saw for myself what some of those demonstrators wanted at the G20 demo. There were some there hell bent on causing trouble. How can the police possibly know just by looking at somebody, whether they are there for trouble or not?
They all fall into the same bracket.....that is life.
Imagine a country where the police never raise a hand or batton, or get involved in anything violent. I can see the images on the news now. Police stand by whilst drunks rampage through London. Now that would be bad news.
Yes there are a few bad cops out there, but the vast majority do a damn fine job. To do that job in Britain in 2009 must be a bloody nightmare. No wonder we have to rely on " plastic coppers ", as there are not enough real ones now. I wonder why?
People are just so quick to slag off the police until.....they need one for themselves, then there lies a different story!
When violent demonstrators cause mayhem, or violent thugs at football matches go on the rampage, or yet another drunken thug on a Saturday night, wants to smash your face in, what would happen if that officer just walked on by?
You cannot run a society where the police have to wear " kid gloves ". That will be the end of the road for us all.
The police have an impossible job at the best of times. I saw for myself what some of those demonstrators wanted at the G20 demo. There were some there hell bent on causing trouble. How can the police possibly know just by looking at somebody, whether they are there for trouble or not?
They all fall into the same bracket.....that is life.
Imagine a country where the police never raise a hand or batton, or get involved in anything violent. I can see the images on the news now. Police stand by whilst drunks rampage through London. Now that would be bad news.
Yes there are a few bad cops out there, but the vast majority do a damn fine job. To do that job in Britain in 2009 must be a bloody nightmare. No wonder we have to rely on " plastic coppers ", as there are not enough real ones now. I wonder why?
People are just so quick to slag off the police until.....they need one for themselves, then there lies a different story!
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possible wasp lol. possible pussy
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The day is coming when the police will not get involved with anything likely to render them to end up in blah blah
in the words of the great John McEnroe.....
You cannot be serious
They have complete carte blanche to use reasonable force and wider powers of arrest and detention than ever before......theres more chance of the police abusing their powers than them being scared of using them.
Sex God
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Btw.....I feel for the family of the guy who did have a heart attack, and the guy himself.
however the problem is.... he apparently didn't die of a heart attack
2nd post-mortum shows that he died of internal bleeding..
if they are going to suggest, which they may, that strike lead to the starting of the bleeding, then it now becomes manslaughter......
it now makes that footage look very differently
I am going to wish I didn't get involved in this thread, but...
My Grandad was a copper and I know what the "old school" were like. He admitted that the first arrest he made he broke a fellas arm, and that when he was a dog handler that his GSD used to bite any drunks that they found rolling around on the floor. He also told me about looking for the bodies of children up on the Moors back in 1966, and how rapists and paedophiles used to "trip and fall down" the concrete steps down to the police cells. You had to be a hard bastard to be a copper back then. I also remember getting a clip round the ear-hole off a local Bobbie when I was a nipper misbehaving, and a good hiding in the cells after being naughty at a football match, trust me it is character building stuff.
What we have now is a mish mash of politically correct brainwashed numpties, who have no control whatsoever and who are neither allowed, or expected, to uphold the law in their daily jobs. And so after having to "copping a deaf un" to most reports of violence and unruliness, they are suddenly expected to enforce the law in order to protect the money men and the City of London. So one or two got carried away? Perhaps lack of practice led to them forgetting that part of their training that doesn't involve extracting money from motorists?
Does anyone else here get this? IMHO, I like swinging because it takes my mind off stuff like this.
My Grandad was a copper and I know what the "old school" were like. He admitted that the first arrest he made he broke a fellas arm, and that when he was a dog handler that his GSD used to bite any drunks that they found rolling around on the floor. He also told me about looking for the bodies of children up on the Moors back in 1966, and how rapists and paedophiles used to "trip and fall down" the concrete steps down to the police cells. You had to be a hard bastard to be a copper back then. I also remember getting a clip round the ear-hole off a local Bobbie when I was a nipper misbehaving, and a good hiding in the cells after being naughty at a football match, trust me it is character building stuff.
What we have now is a mish mash of politically correct brainwashed numpties, who have no control whatsoever and who are neither allowed, or expected, to uphold the law in their daily jobs. And so after having to "copping a deaf un" to most reports of violence and unruliness, they are suddenly expected to enforce the law in order to protect the money men and the City of London. So one or two got carried away? Perhaps lack of practice led to them forgetting that part of their training that doesn't involve extracting money from motorists?
Does anyone else here get this? IMHO, I like swinging because it takes my mind off stuff like this.
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The day is coming when the police will not get involved with anything likely to render them to end up in court.
There will always be muppets who will try to sue someone just because there is an "R" in the month. If the police act in a professional manner, they should have nothing to fear. Are you suggesting that the police should not be accountable for their actions?
When violent demonstrators cause mayhem, or violent thugs at football matches go on the rampage, or yet another drunken thug on a Saturday night, wants to smash your face in, what would happen if that officer just walked on by?
Then he/she should be disciplined. They are not doing their job. What happens if an overzealous officer lays into someone? Should they be allowed to get away with it just because they're in the force?
You cannot run a society where the police have to wear " kid gloves ". That will be the end of the road for us all.
Nor a society where an innocent in the wrong place at the wrong time is assaulted by the very people who are meant to protect him/her from such an action.
The police have an impossible job at the best of times. I saw for myself what some of those demonstrators wanted at the G20 demo. There were some there hell bent on causing trouble. How can the police possibly know just by looking at somebody, whether they are there for trouble or not?
Yeah, point taken. Beat 'em all up. Saves time.
They all fall into the same bracket.....that is life.
That same bracket being? "There?"
Imagine a country where the police never raise a hand or batton, or get involved in anything violent. I can see the images on the news now. Police stand by whilst drunks rampage through London. Now that would be bad news.
I've not seen anyone suggesting the police stop doing their job. They are paid to be part of the solution. This officer was part of the problem. An innocent man is dead. That is bad news.
Yes there are a few bad cops out there, but the vast majority do a damn fine job. To do that job in Britain in 2009 must be a bloody nightmare. No wonder we have to rely on " plastic coppers ", as there are not enough real ones now. I wonder why?
So lets weed out the ones not fit to wear the uniform, eh? Or are you suggesting that we should accept violent thugs as officers because otherwise they'd be thinner on the ground? Think rationally, this guy's not done much for the recruitment numbers, has he? Not to mention respect for the service.
People are just so quick to slag off the police until.....they need one for themselves, then there lies a different story!
They are meant to enforce the law- not act like lawless thugs. I have friends in the police force. One friend has just gone into the Met in part because of my encouragement. I'm slagging off any police officer who behaves as this guy did. It was inexcusable. And frankly, Kenty I can't help wonder if there was something in the water wherever you were on holiday. There's usually at least a smattering of sense in your posts.
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Now I hear that the woman that was hit is deeply traumatised. Yeah right...not too traumatised to get her solicitor to sort out a large compensation package I bet.
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Or, if reports in The Times are to be believed, to contact Max Clifford to act as her publicist/PR agent.
Now see how you would feel if you was one of those officers. Scary eh?
Then ask yourself why they act as they do at times eh?
IF one of those tosser demonstrators had thrown something and it killed a police officer, would he be accountable? Maybe but...........with manslaughter? I don't think so.
It would have been a slap on the wrist by ya local magistrate.
Why can't some realise that the police sometimes have to use force to stop these kind of thugs? Seems like most university students were there though.....as usual.
Yes the police were heavy handed but.....I really cannot blame them.
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Now see how you would feel if you was one of those officers. Scary eh?
Then ask yourself why they act as they do at times eh?
IF one of those tosser demonstrators had thrown something and it killed a police officer, would he be accountable? Maybe but...........with manslaughter? I don't think so.
It would have been a slap on the wrist by ya local magistrate.
Why can't some realise that the police sometimes have to use force to stop these kind of thugs? Seems like most university students were there though.....as usual.
Yes the police were heavy handed but.....I really cannot blame them.
Just because you have a minority that need to be dealt with by the use of force, as in the case of the link above, do you believe it gives the police the right to go around and hit everybody with a big stick because they are wound up? They are supposed to be professional and know the difference between a riot situation i.e. the link above to a peaceful protest i.e. the guy walking with his hands in his pocket who had the heart attack.
I really can not follow your line of thinking here. Are you trying to say that all people in high stressed jobs, like the police and army, could say bollocks to the law of the land and forget their training and just lash out and that is acceptable?
People should be responsible for their actions.
Dave_Notts
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True Fabs but........... I cannot see how they can really decide if that was the actual cause. We can all speculate, but that does not bring convictions, or certainty.
I hope that the Met do not throw this guy to the lions, to save their own skins though.
Based on past experience, where shooting an unarmed guy in the head didn't even result in a corporate manslaughter prosecution, despite the most appalling failures, in breach of the CPS's own guidelines re: duty of care and gross negligence in force at the time cos it wasn't in the public interest, I don't think this guy has too much to worry about?
Why can't some realise that the police sometimes have to use force to stop these kind of thugs?
The watch word Kent is always appropriate use of force. In no way was this appropriate. In no way was this man threatening the safety of those officers, or those around him.
Even if it can't be proven that the baton strike contributed to his death, it does appear that that copper launched an unprovoked assault on a civilian at the very least, and he should be charged for it. The fact he's got a uniform on his back does not make him immune, or exempt him from due process under the law of the land. If someone died after I'd twatted 'em with a baseball bat on CCTV, I'd be arrested and charged before you could say 'You have the right to remain silent . . . '. It's then up to a court and a jury to decide whether or not he's guilty of an offence that directly or indirectly caused Ian Thomlinson's death.
Coppers do work under immense pressures, but that's precisely why the public has a right to expect complete professionalism from them at all times, and why we should also expect the police to deal with their own appropriately, cos if we can't trust a police service sworn to uphold the law for the public good, who can we trust to defend us?
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Thank you- common sense spoken by all.
Kenty, just for a split second imagine that had been your father- would you look at the footage then and say "I can't blame them"?
Really?
In all honesty probably not but....I am only saying what I think. But then again I am obviously wrong.
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True Fabs but........... I cannot see how they can really decide if that was the actual cause. We can all speculate, but that does not bring convictions, or certainty.
I hope that the Met do not throw this guy to the lions, to save their own skins though.
Based on past experience, where shooting an unarmed guy in the head didn't even result in a corporate manslaughter prosecution, despite the most appalling failures, in breach of the CPS's own guidelines re: duty of care and gross negligence in force at the time cos it wasn't in the public interest, I don't think this guy has too much to worry about?
Why can't some realise that the police sometimes have to use force to stop these kind of thugs?
The watch word Kent is always appropriate use of force. In no way was this appropriate. In no way was this man threatening the safety of those officers, or those around him.
Even if it can't be proven that the baton strike contributed to his death, it does appear that that copper launched an unprovoked assault on a civilian at the very least, and he should be charged for it. The fact he's got a uniform on his back does not make him immune, or exempt him from due process under the law of the land. If someone died after I'd twatted 'em with a baseball bat on CCTV, I'd be arrested and charged before you could say 'You have the right to remain silent . . . '. It's then up to a court and a jury to decide whether or not he's guilty of an offence that directly or indirectly caused Ian Thomlinson's death.
Coppers do work under immense pressures, but that's precisely why the public has a right to expect complete professionalism from them at all times, and why we should also expect the police to deal with their own appropriately, cos if we can't trust a police service sworn to uphold the law for the public good, who can we trust to defend us?
N x x x ;)
Am confused. I thought he was only pushed? I do not think he was hit by a baton was he?
I know the woman was and deeply traumatised she is too. :shock:
Still as she has sold her story for 50 grand, no doubt that will ease her pain somewhat.
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The watch word Kent is always appropriate use of force. In no way was this appropriate. In no way was this man threatening the safety of those officers, or those around him.
Im not sure Neil that I agree the force used wasnt appropriate as you police are allowed to use reasonable force to clear an area and disperse crowds.. not just to protect their own safety.
If i might take up this point i think there are other "watch words and phrases " too.
reasonable level of violence- the guy was only hit once and pushed once, both on "soft spots".
without lawful excuse- the officer was on crowd control duty. The deceased was part of a crowd.
causation- did the injury cause death. There seems to be a discrepancy already.
forseeability- could the officer have believed his actions would result in death?
intent- was the intention to kill or cause really serious bodily harm?
I think that the policeman will be"protected" by all of the above, and the view will be taken that
"If you get in a cage with Hanibal Lecter... youre atleast gonna get your neck nibbled a bit"
he didnt deserve to die and it is a massive shame he did.
he should resign and dissapear for a bit.
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True Fabs but........... I cannot see how they can really decide if that was the actual cause. We can all speculate, but that does not bring convictions, or certainty.
I hope that the Met do not throw this guy to the lions, to save their own skins though.
Based on past experience, where shooting an unarmed guy in the head didn't even result in a corporate manslaughter prosecution, despite the most appalling failures, in breach of the CPS's own guidelines re: duty of care and gross negligence in force at the time cos it wasn't in the public interest, I don't think this guy has too much to worry about?
Why can't some realise that the police sometimes have to use force to stop these kind of thugs?
The watch word Kent is always appropriate use of force. In no way was this appropriate. In no way was this man threatening the safety of those officers, or those around him.
Even if it can't be proven that the baton strike contributed to his death, it does appear that that copper launched an unprovoked assault on a civilian at the very least, and he should be charged for it. The fact he's got a uniform on his back does not make him immune, or exempt him from due process under the law of the land. If someone died after I'd twatted 'em with a baseball bat on CCTV, I'd be arrested and charged before you could say 'You have the right to remain silent . . . '. It's then up to a court and a jury to decide whether or not he's guilty of an offence that directly or indirectly caused Ian Thomlinson's death.
Coppers do work under immense pressures, but that's precisely why the public has a right to expect complete professionalism from them at all times, and why we should also expect the police to deal with their own appropriately, cos if we can't trust a police service sworn to uphold the law for the public good, who can we trust to defend us?
N x x x ;)
Am confused. I thought he was only pushed? I do not think he was hit by a baton was he?
I know the woman was and deeply traumatised she is too. :shock:
Still as she has sold her story for 50 grand, no doubt that will ease her pain somewhat.
He was hit by a baton and then pushed to the ground.
The woman involved strikes me as a bandwagon jumper- and shouldn't detract from the issue.
