is anyone else enjoying the way the Tories and Lib Dems are being shot to pieces on tonight's show. The Labour guy is just sat their watching the Journalists and the audience rip them to shreds! Power Hungry Self Obsessed Treacherous All used to describe both parties. All those policies and promises they are throwing away just to be in power. How many people feel let down like those in the show? Immigration police diluted to nowt by lib dems. AV offered up by Tories who were so up for the first past the post. The Tories knew they wouldn't last more then six months alone and just had to get someone to sleep with in order to "fix" themselves a 5yr tenure... and Cameron said he was trying to cut out sleazy politics lol Pmsl and as for Hesseltine... all he does is point out how desperate Cameron was to hold on to the power as he knew they would be out on their ear by october and wouldn't win the election that surely would have come!
Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Quote by Max777 Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Depends on how many of their key electorial policies were thrown by the wayside to get into power... from what has been said on here and in the interviews and news and reports i have seen through the last few days, labour didn't want to water daown its promises and so hence the situaion we see today.
Quote by two-4-more Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Depends on how many of their key electorial policies were thrown by the wayside to get into power... from what has been said on here and in the interviews and news and reports i have seen through the last few days, labour didn't want to water daown its promises and so hence the situaion we see today. So you don't believe in compromise then?
Quote by Max777 Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Depends on how many of their key electoral policies were thrown by the wayside to get into power... from what has been said on here and in the interviews and news and reports i have seen through the last few days, labour didn't want to water down its promises and so hence the situation we see today. So you don't believe in compromise then? Depends upon whether it is a key promise that was aimed at your "regular" voting public... issues that you argued whole heartedly saying how wrong all the others were about it. For example: - The immigration policy of the lib dems... amnesty for immigrants has now become a "immigration" cap. David Cameron's idea of a political joke "Nick Clegg" now becoming his bosom buddy Lib Dems Proportional representation becoming a referendum on A.V. which will be blocked before it even becomes policy... So, when the compromise is a complete step down - No
I voted Tory and to be honest I am not happy as I never voted for a coalition but....Camerons majority was not enough for him to last on his own for too long. The country cannot afford to wait a further six months with uncertainty, that is not good for a economic recovery that we desperately need. So I am at least prepared to go along with the coalition and see where it leads. Yes the Libs have had to give up on some of their manifesto promises. Trident for one and immigration being the other. Both have been discussed on here and I am glad that Trident will be updated, and am also glad that illegal immigrants and a dependent, will NOT be given the right to stay here. So with those two issues out of the way I can see the coalition working, and it is much better than a lib/Lab pact with Brown at the helm. I will see where this leads us but a coalition can hopefully bring about some stability, and Cameron and Clegg can get together to sort out the mess this past Government have created. Only time will tell if it can be successful. How great though was Heseltine? A real Tory and a great Statesman. Plus who was that total pratt from the New Statesman? Talked a load of rubbish most of the time.
now...i voted labour.....thats not Gordan brown..thats labour. I had been become dissapointed with the last few years of office....but coming from a mining community area, I could never ever trust a tory. We used to have 5 working pits here...all my family worked in some way for the Coal Board....the loss of an industry and total disregaurd for peoples livihoods is what I remember a tory administration for. Now haveing said that....David Cameron won the biggest share of the votes, and as i am a democrate I think its right and fair, he should form the new government....be it as a minority goverrnment or as it is,,,as a coalition. As they are now my goverrnment I will back them, and hope they are successful, in moving us a country forward. However...I don't feel off to a great start. They want a fixed term government...okay....I can't see the real use...but i can buy it may give us a little stability. However a vote a confidence in the government should always be an option. As it currently stands, if 51% were to not support it...the goverment would be dissolved and a general election called. Easy..a simple majority. However, they now propose to change that to 55% ...WHY !! Every other vote they have is simply passed on a majority vote..so why this change of a vote of no confidence. Seems like they can see rocky times ahead....and they know the confidence in their management, will be called into question, and they are scared of the result. Sorry..does not fill me with confidence....Not a good start for me !!!
Quote by kentswingers777 I voted Tory and to be honest I am not happy as I never voted for a coalition but....Camerons majority was not enough for him to last on his own for too long. The country cannot afford to wait a further six months with uncertainty, that is not good for a economic recovery that we desperately need. So I am at least prepared to go along with the coalition and see where it leads. Yes the Libs have had to give up on some of their manifesto promises. Trident for one and immigration being the other. Both have been discussed on here and I am glad that Trident will be updated, and am also glad that illegal immigrants and a dependent, will NOT be given the right to stay here. So with those two issues out of the way I can see the coalition working, and it is much better than a lib/Lab pact with Brown at the helm. I will see where this leads us but a coalition can hopefully bring about some stability, and Cameron and Clegg can get together to sort out the mess this past Government have created. Only time will tell if it can be successful. How great though was Heseltine? A real Tory and a great Statesman. Plus who was that total pratt from the New Statesman? Talked a load of rubbish most of the time.
:thumbup::thumbup: there`s an old saying that two heads are better than one i think each will keep the other in check a bit like a business partnership so i`m inclined to agree and it certainly can`t be any worse than the of the country`s finances by gordon(spendaholic)brown and his new labour
Quote by kentswingers777 I voted Tory and to be honest I am not happy as I never voted for a coalition but....Camerons majority was not enough for him to last on his own for too long. The country cannot afford to wait a further six months with uncertainty, that is not good for a economic recovery that we desperately need. So I am at least prepared to go along with the coalition and see where it leads. Yes the Libs have had to give up on some of their manifesto promises. Trident for one and immigration being the other. Both have been discussed on here and I am glad that Trident will be updated, and am also glad that illegal immigrants and a dependent, will NOT be given the right to stay here. So with those two issues out of the way I can see the coalition working, and it is much better than a lib/Lab pact with Brown at the helm. I will see where this leads us but a coalition can hopefully bring about some stability, and Cameron and Clegg can get together to sort out the mess this past Government have created. Only time will tell if it can be successful. How great though was Heseltine? A real Tory and a great Statesman. Plus who was that total pratt from the New Statesman? Talked a load of rubbish most of the time.
I have always told you we libs could make you tories see reason, you just never listened as you were always right. It feels so good being right :smug: I guess the time of callig me a liberal lefty, sandal wearing, yogurt making, Knitter has passed, as now I know you just want to snuggle up in bed together really.
Quote by deancannock now...i voted labour.....thats not Gordan brown..thats labour. I had been become dissapointed with the last few years of office....but coming from a mining community area, I could never ever trust a tory. We used to have 5 working pits here...all my family worked in some way for the Coal Board....the loss of an industry and total disregaurd for peoples livihoods is what I remember a tory administration for. Now haveing said that....David Cameron won the biggest share of the votes, and as i am a democrate I think its right and fair, he should form the new government....be it as a minority goverrnment or as it is,,,as a coalition. As they are now my goverrnment I will back them, and hope they are successful, in moving us a country forward. However...I don't feel off to a great start. They want a fixed term government...okay....I can't see the real use...but i can buy it may give us a little stability. However a vote a confidence in the government should always be an option. As it currently stands, if 51% were to not support it...the goverment would be dissolved and a general election called. Easy..a simple majority. However, they now propose to change that to 55% ...WHY !! Every other vote they have is simply passed on a majority vote..so why this change of a vote of no confidence. Seems like they can see rocky times ahead....and they know the confidence in their management, will be called into question, and they are scared of the result. Sorry..does not fill me with confidence....Not a good start for me !!!
i agree (dean says it far better than i can) :thumbup:
Quote by Kaznkev Is this a new thing or has it always been 55%? Dave_Notts
it has always been a simply majority on the day of the vote.i know it seems trivial,but it does mean the government of the day is dictating to parliament as an entity on what it can or cant do. So does that mean it is new or has always been 55%? Are you sure you ain't a politician as they never give a straight answer either Dave_Notts
In that case I do not like it. A hung parliament has always been a possibility so if these two parties wanted it so much they would have put through legislation when they were in power. Since they have always believed they would be in power with a majority then they have done nothing about it until......they are in power in a coalition. I hope this one fails or has a time restraint i.e. after the next election Dave_Notts
Dave, before it was simple....it was you needed 51% in your favour to win. Easy really...and that the way every other vote in parliment works. However on this issue of a vote of no confidence..they have stated they intend to change it to 55% . I don't think this is a technicallity it all....what it means is even if they lost the support of half of the liberal MP's they could still cling onto power. As stated before I think, they can see rocky times ahead, and are simply adjusting the rules to suit themselves. As I say..don't fill me with confidence...
Quote by Theladyisaminx I voted Tory and to be honest I am not happy as I never voted for a coalition but....Camerons majority was not enough for him to last on his own for too long. The country cannot afford to wait a further six months with uncertainty, that is not good for a economic recovery that we desperately need. So I am at least prepared to go along with the coalition and see where it leads. Yes the Libs have had to give up on some of their manifesto promises. Trident for one and immigration being the other. Both have been discussed on here and I am glad that Trident will be updated, and am also glad that illegal immigrants and a dependent, will NOT be given the right to stay here. So with those two issues out of the way I can see the coalition working, and it is much better than a lib/Lab pact with Brown at the helm. I will see where this leads us but a coalition can hopefully bring about some stability, and Cameron and Clegg can get together to sort out the mess this past Government have created. Only time will tell if it can be successful. How great though was Heseltine? A real Tory and a great Statesman. Plus who was that total pratt from the New Statesman? Talked a load of rubbish most of the time.
I have always told you we libs could make you tories see reason, you just never listened as you were always right. It feels so good being right :smug: I guess the time of callig me a liberal lefty, sandal wearing, yogurt making, Knitter has passed, as now I know you just want to snuggle up in bed together really. Fuck me Minxy ya old bag. :lol: Welcome back sexy. Please come back and start posting as I am getting sick and tired of the same old same old....know what I mean? How come you have only done 4837 posts ffs? You been on here for yonks and only done that ammount. I used to know someone who had been on here for five minutes and has done a lot more than you.....impossible I hear you cry, but it's true ya know. Come back Minxy and I promise I will shag you as hard as I did the first time. :lol:
Quote by deancannock now...i voted labour.....thats not Gordan brown..thats labour. I had been become dissapointed with the last few years of office....but coming from a mining community area, I could never ever trust a tory. We used to have 5 working pits here...all my family worked in some way for the Coal Board....the loss of an industry and total disregaurd for peoples livihoods is what I remember a tory administration for. Now haveing said that....David Cameron won the biggest share of the votes, and as i am a democrate I think its right and fair, he should form the new government....be it as a minority goverrnment or as it is,,,as a coalition. As they are now my goverrnment I will back them, and hope they are successful, in moving us a country forward. However...I don't feel off to a great start. They want a fixed term government...okay....I can't see the real use...but i can buy it may give us a little stability. However a vote a confidence in the government should always be an option. As it currently stands, if 51% were to not support it...the goverment would be dissolved and a general election called. Easy..a simple majority. However, they now propose to change that to 55% ...WHY !! Every other vote they have is simply passed on a majority vote..so why this change of a vote of no confidence. Seems like they can see rocky times ahead....and they know the confidence in their management, will be called into question, and they are scared of the result. Sorry..does not fill me with confidence....Not a good start for me !!!
Ya know I cannot understand for a second the bit I have highlighted. So many people vote for the party and as Brown is the leader of that party who will ultimately make the decisions, then it in the end IS Brown you are voting for. People in general vote for the leader of that party, not always the local candidate on their ballot paper. Peoples local MP does not mean anything, it is the actual PM that calls the shots. I voted Tory....not for my local MP but for Cameron, as he is now the one running the country....with a tiny bit of help from Clegg. No point in voting for say the Liberals IF you cannot stand Clegg....that makes no sense to me at all.
Our electoral system allows us to vote for a local party groups in parliament are not formalised,this is why any M.P. can vote against his whip or cross the floor should they choose without standing for may think you voted for Brown,Cameron or Clegg but the only people who did were the people in their respective you may think you voted for a party but in reality we all voted for an individual person to represent us....this is one of the strengths of our system,You have a sole representative in parliament who is identifiable and should be available to represent you individually
You didn't vote for the leader....you voted for the guy who was leader at the time...he/she can be changed quite easily...and if he/she is the PM at the time...then the PM also changes. And government policy is not made by the leader, it is a "committee" thing....the PM takes the credit and the blame, but the policy is the result of a large number of people...
Quote by JTS You didn't vote for the leader....you voted for the guy who was leader at the time...he/she can be changed quite easily...and if he/she is the PM at the time...then the PM also changes. And government policy is not made by the leader, it is a "committee" thing....the PM takes the credit and the blame, but the policy is the result of a large number of people...
I would say that depends on those sat around the table.
JTS....I understand perfectly the way the system works, all I am saying is many people voted purely based on who was leading the party at the time. Take the live debates, I only saw three people on there, and they were all leaders of their particular party. People voted for Clegg because of his tv performances, the polls showed this often enough. People changed their voting ways based on how those leaders came across on the telly. I know people should not vote using that formula, but they do and did. If you look at the Liberals percentage in the polls BEFORE the live debates, it increased dramatically AFTER the first tv debate. That was purely based on peoples perceptions of Clegg, and not their local constituent. Many people and I mean many, would not have a clue who their local MP was/is. All they know is they voted say Tory and that Cameron is the leader. In fact I have not got a clue who my local MP now is, and he is a Tory. He will not make a huge difference in changing the laws of the land, but Cameron will. Not the way it should be done, but to many that is how and why they voted.
There are many people who do not understand our electoral system this does not make what they believe to be the case true...no-one voted for the labour,tory or liberal parties..very few voted for Brown,Clegg,or Cameron...your vote is cast to elect a local representative to parliament
Mr kent....you said you didn't understand my line....please let me explain. I voted labour....that was actually for a lady called Sue Woodward in my area..if really interested. I did not put a cross against Gordan Brown. I voted labour, and for the poilicies they were putting forward. Gordan brown was simply the leader of the party. For what its worth I think Gordan Brown was a highly intelligent man, but lacks charisma. These days to get on in politics...you need Charisma.
I think one saying sums up the Con-Dem pact; "Marry in haste and repent in leisure" Having said that I'm warming to the idea a bit, maybe they will be a restraining influence on each and therefore produce productive policies for the Country, or, if it goes tits up, then Labour under David Miliband get a big majority at the next election. John
Quote by Kaznkev i am concerned with the idea that 55 % of mps will be needed to to disolve might seem a technicality,but it infringes on the soveignity of parliament . Oh and pretty much wat dean said
I don't like this one either Kaz, I hope Parliament will not allow it to happen. I feel that is one step too far and not democratic However, regarding the OP, I very much enjoyed last nights program and did not see the Tory's being shot to bits at all. Yes they have dropped many of there policy's but this has to be excepted or have another election? I rather like it like this, and am hoping that David Cameron will use this to current situation to his advantage to silence the far right element of the party. This could make it very easy for him to move to the centre ground and make the Labour come back very difficult indeed. Maybe the Troy's could swallow up the libdems?
But people did not vote for Clegg....in fact they ignored the "primeministerial debate" and voted for what they usually do. The election is won/lost on the voters who switch sides...the floating voters...a few thousand in a few seats see governments change. As for the lib/dems voting for a majority percentage change.....we'll see soon if turkeys DO vote for Christmas....since if they vote ok....they are effectively removing themselves from government.. NOT that I expect any change to affect me much....a few quid a month less in tax....or more...and more-or-less-more-than-less national insurance....and vat going up to 20%... You can always buy from Europe.....from a lower-vat country...if there is one..
Quote by two-4-more Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Depends on how many of their key electoral policies were thrown by the wayside to get into power... from what has been said on here and in the interviews and news and reports i have seen through the last few days, labour didn't want to water down its promises and so hence the situation we see today. So you don't believe in compromise then? Depends upon whether it is a key promise that was aimed at your "regular" voting public... issues that you argued whole heartedly saying how wrong all the others were about it. For example: - The immigration policy of the lib dems... amnesty for immigrants has now become a "immigration" cap. David Cameron's idea of a political joke "Nick Clegg" now becoming his bosom buddy Lib Dems Proportional representation becoming a referendum on A.V. which will be blocked before it even becomes policy... So, when the compromise is a complete step down - No So one has to ask, What was the alternative? What do you believe should have been done?
Question time was a great watch but i was suprised William Hague has already flown to kiss Americans backside ignoring our fellow Europeans who we need most at the momemnt,well how will they reduce 6bn before the end of the year by having pointless foreign trips which can be done through other far cheaper mediums..video conferencing,phone
Quote by Bluefish2009 Hmmmmmmmm, musn't be watching the same programme. Seems to be plenty of support for the Coalition in the audience. Would your viewpoint have been the same had the LibDems got into bed with Labour?
Depends on how many of their key electoral policies were thrown by the wayside to get into power... from what has been said on here and in the interviews and news and reports i have seen through the last few days, labour didn't want to water down its promises and so hence the situation we see today. So you don't believe in compromise then? Depends upon whether it is a key promise that was aimed at your "regular" voting public... issues that you argued whole heartedly saying how wrong all the others were about it. For example: - The immigration policy of the lib dems... amnesty for immigrants has now become a "immigration" cap. David Cameron's idea of a political joke "Nick Clegg" now becoming his bosom buddy Lib Dems Proportional representation becoming a referendum on A.V. which will be blocked before it even becomes policy... So, when the compromise is a complete step down - No So one has to ask, What was the alternative? What do you believe should have been done? The tories should have been made to go it alone, then nobody would have made any concessions or drop any key policies. What better way to ensure conservative (pardon the pun) policies. What better way to ensure they do whats best for the country. No extreme policies could be made without having at least some of all the parties onside. It may not have been ideal but hey, who cares nobody sells ut the people who voted for them. In this lifetime no-one will be able to trust clegg again... Vote clegg - Get cameron! Cameron has done the best out of the deal as any policy the lib dems want in his party can agree to "put it through" but then note vote for it.
long before i was born and probably long after i`m gone history has proved that anyone party elected was not up to the job so why not give a union of two parties a chance i`m sure most marriages are successful based on one keeping the other in check on certain issues one being better with money than another so only time will tell
Thing is you wanted a government ....you got Bertie fucking Wooster and his faithful manservant Jeeves....problem is I doubt Clegg has any of Jeeves' innate working class intelligence.
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