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Recession - Negative or Positive

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How is the recession affecting you

POSITIVE - I/we are better off
NEGATIVE - I/we are worse off
NO DIFFERENT - It is passing us by
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Unknown User
Am sure that the questions won't be answered.
Am sure some do it purely for the " shock factor ".
You either work for a Capitilist boss, or you are one, or you get ya money from the Capitilist Government.
Either way ya gets ya money from someone...unless you are one of those nasty horrid people called an employer.
Imagine employing somebody with that attitude, it is like listening to Arthur Scargill. Is he still alive and kicking that bloke, or did Thatcher shut him up permanantly? wink Good old Maggie. cool
essex34m
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
have you ever seen a hairdresser fill out their appointment diary in pen?

Because people cancel their appointments, therefore leaving a timeslot free, by writing it in pencil, a cancelled appointment can be easily replaced.
Quote by benrums0n
Why do you think petrol stations constantly ask if you need a VAT receipt?

Because many people (myself included) are able to claim back the VAT on the fuel.
Max777
Sex God
Quote by essex34m
have you ever seen a hairdresser fill out their appointment diary in pen?

Because people cancel their appointments, therefore leaving a timeslot free, by writing it in pencil, a cancelled appointment can be easily replaced.
Quote by benrums0n
Why do you think petrol stations constantly ask if you need a VAT receipt?

Because many people (myself included) are able to claim back the VAT on the fuel.
You got it in one Essex. It's just normal business practice not some devious capitalist trickery.
Ben, do you mind if I ask how long you were in accounting? There is a world of difference between minimising your tax bill legitimatley and tax evasion. Do you have any proof of your claim that the Revenue does not investigate anything under £10,000...as that's certainly not true in my experience.
GnV
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Let me respond GnV to the tax and national insurance and fiddling expenses point.
Some people see state benefits as a hand out to the indolent, I see it as a subsidy for employers who do not pay a living wage. How can somebody work 40 hours a week and still the government has to step in to make sure they don't live in poverty.
In terms of fiddling expenses frankly the MPs dont worry me at all. I know as do you that every business big and small fiddles its expenses and evades/avoids tax at every opportunity. As one tiny example with apologies to anyone in the business have you ever seen a hairdresser fill out their appointment diary in pen? Why do you think petrol stations constantly ask if you need a VAT receipt? I left the accounting profession when I realised the deeply corrupt practices involved in professional tax evasion. Its systemised its endemic and its totally ignored. I believe HM revenue and customs dont even look into known fiddles of less than £10,000. The media seem to prefer to focus on benefit scroungers.
I am afraid you wont convince me that our system is the "natural order" or that its fair or even approaching reasonably fair.

As always ben, a reasoned reply to the thread and I can see where you are coming from.
Accountancy is the most mis-named business in the industrialised world. Accountants are accountable for nothing (witness the reams of disclosures I have to sign each time mine sends in the returns!)
Call me a cynic if you will, but perhaps the reason hairdressers put their appointments in the diary in pencil is because so many of their clientèle (being women) constantly change their minds so its easier to rub out and replace with another name (equally at risk of being rubbed out). Only a part time tax collector (which, lets face it, most accountants are these days by definition) would come up with a theory like that!
The reason for the tax receipt is clear too.. most customers only require the credit card receipt because the VAT receipt has no purpose for them (indeed, neither does it for most businesses these days because of the VAT regime on carburants) and as a declared ecologist (in other threads anyway), I might have been expected to think your support of reducing wastage would have carried more importance.
But your view on the rights of public servants to fiddle expenses funded by the public purse (ie you and me) staggers me! MP's are the legislature and just like rogue police officers caught breaking the law, they should be treated more harshly if caught with their fingers in the till.
Unknown User
Kent my personal details are strictly that.
GnV my environmental concern avoids petty distractions like paperless receipts.
Max here is a link to the Revenue and Customs manual.
May I suggest we move this debate to a new thread I hate hijacking threads.
GnV
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Kent my personal details are strictly that.
GnV my environmental concern avoids petty distractions like paperless receipts.
Max here is a link to the Revenue and Customs manual.
May I suggest we move this debate to a new thread I hate hijacking threads.

This response is as valid in this thread as it would be in a new one..
My old gran, bless her, always said "look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves".
You might think that reducing the number of paper receipts is a petty distraction, but from small beginnings...
Max777
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Kent my personal details are strictly that.
GnV my environmental concern avoids petty distractions like paperless receipts.
Max here is a link to the Revenue and Customs manual.
May I suggest we move this debate to a new thread I hate hijacking threads.

Ben
That's a dead link.
I notice that you never answer any of the questions asked of you in support of your views!!
Max777
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Kent my personal details are strictly that.
GnV my environmental concern avoids petty distractions like paperless receipts.
Max here is a link to the Revenue and Customs manual.
May I suggest we move this debate to a new thread I hate hijacking threads.

Ben
That's a dead link.
I notice that you never answer any of the questions asked of you in support of your views!!
Unknown User
Quote by benrums0n
Kent my personal details are strictly that.
GnV my environmental concern avoids petty distractions like paperless receipts.
Max here is a link to the Revenue and Customs manual.
May I suggest we move this debate to a new thread I hate hijacking threads.

Sorry Ben but....I think my question has EVERYTHING to do with your views.
As is your right, you do not want to reply but.... I think I would have known what the answer was/is anyway.
IF you are so anti employer what about starting up your own business and employ a few people, and after you have grafted your fingers to the bone, give your profits away to your staff.
Yeah of course you would.
Arthur Scargill had the same ideas but....his views and his stance brought about the collapse of his union, his views and arrogance brought about the collapse of peoples lives and futures, and now he lives alone. Still thinking he brought about the downfall of the Thatcher Government.....he is as deluded now as he was then.
I am now off to pastures new.
Unknown User
Max cut and copy it into the browser it works for me on google. I haven't answered any personal questions simply because they have absolutely no bearing on the debate. I am happy to answer any questions related to the debate.
Kent I don't like the insinuation that I must never have run my own business, never have been an employee/employer or be in receipt of state benefits in order to hold the views I do. As usual you do not seem able to debate without bringing personal matters and your own prejudices into the discussion which saddens me.
I disagree that the thread hasnt been hijacked and if anybody wishes to continue the discussion I will happily contribute to a specific thread.
GnV
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Max cut and copy it into the browser it works for me on google. I haven't answered any personal questions simply because they have absolutely no bearing on the debate. I am happy to answer any questions related to the debate.
Kent I don't like the insinuation that I must never have run my own business, never have been an employee/employer or be in receipt of state benefits in order to hold the views I do. As usual you do not seem able to debate without bringing personal matters and your own prejudices into the discussion which saddens me.
I disagree that the thread hasnt been hijacked and if anybody wishes to continue the discussion I will happily contribute to a specific thread.

I think the direction the thread is going is a natural progression of the subject matter and if the OP is unhappy about it, I'm sure a nice Moderator will come along and split it out so feel free to contribute ben :thumbup:
Unknown User
Quote by benrums0n
Max cut and copy it into the browser it works for me on google. I haven't answered any personal questions simply because they have absolutely no bearing on the debate. I am happy to answer any questions related to the debate.
Kent I don't like the insinuation that I must never have run my own business, never have been an employee/employer or be in receipt of state benefits in order to hold the views I do. As usual you do not seem able to debate without bringing personal matters and your own prejudices into the discussion which saddens me.
I disagree that the thread hasnt been hijacked and if anybody wishes to continue the discussion I will happily contribute to a specific thread.

I have been debating and I thought I asked a perfectly reasonable question. It was you that failed to answer it, which is your perogotive to do so.
If you make claims then do not moan when others question you on them, and ask you questions which you will not answer. I think it was a perfect question to ask.
Max777
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Max cut and copy it into the browser it works for me on google. I haven't answered any personal questions simply because they have absolutely no bearing on the debate. I am happy to answer any questions related to the debate.
Kent I don't like the insinuation that I must never have run my own business, never have been an employee/employer or be in receipt of state benefits in order to hold the views I do. As usual you do not seem able to debate without bringing personal matters and your own prejudices into the discussion which saddens me.
I disagree that the thread hasnt been hijacked and if anybody wishes to continue the discussion I will happily contribute to a specific thread.

OK Ben, I have looked at that link and I think it's just your interpretation that the Revenue don't bother with evasion under £10,000...just like your interpretation of the hairdressers appointment book and the petrol station VAT receipts.
I think the personal questions I asked were very valid. I was attempting to ascertain as to how much your comments were based on informed experience and knowledge and how much on left wing bollox lifted straight from the Socialist Worker!
If I was to make a sweeping generalisation that all recipients of benefits were scroungers, I would be flamed, and quite rightly so but you have made an equally sweeping generalisation that all employers are exploitative. You also made an ill informed comment on the world of accountancy being involved in "deeply corrupt practices involved in professional tax evasion". Tax evasion is illegal and a criminal offence. As I have said elsewhere in this thread, there is a world of difference between legitimate tax AVOIDANCE and tax EVASION. I was asking as to how long you worked in the accounting profession as you seem to have little real understanding of it.
As you are highly critical of the current system, I asked you what you would suggest as a workable alternative. You have not answered and therefore I must assume that you don't have one.
As someone once said, Capitalism may not be the perfect but its the best system we have come up with yet.