He was convictedm
Just as the current Member of Pariliament (The Right Honourable as his legal title in the UK dicates we call him) Conor Murphy was convicted of being a member of the IRA, a terrorist orgaisation
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RIP Nelson Mandela
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Sex God
How hard is it to stop going off on tangents?
I would happily debate Mr Murphy elsewhere, but he is not relevant to the direct question I asked of you.
I would happily debate Mr Murphy elsewhere, but he is not relevant to the direct question I asked of you.
I answered your question, I said he was convicted what more did you want me to say to the question "was he convicted or not".
Having answered your question I wondered what difference it made, in South Africa the people of the nation voted overwhelmingly that it didn't matter and surely that is their business or do we impose our values on other nations ? and if we do my example of that was there for all to see, our example is to call a convicted terrorist The Right Honourable and pay him a large salary.
My tangents have been to show that what people do in their life is only relevant at the time, I have given examples of others who have done things they should not have done but whose overall deeds have been accepted by the British Public who have totally exonerated them, why are people choosing to highlight what Nelson Mandella did ?
People are being very selective on who does wrong and it is alright and who does wrong and it is wrong.
Having answered your question I wondered what difference it made, in South Africa the people of the nation voted overwhelmingly that it didn't matter and surely that is their business or do we impose our values on other nations ? and if we do my example of that was there for all to see, our example is to call a convicted terrorist The Right Honourable and pay him a large salary.
My tangents have been to show that what people do in their life is only relevant at the time, I have given examples of others who have done things they should not have done but whose overall deeds have been accepted by the British Public who have totally exonerated them, why are people choosing to highlight what Nelson Mandella did ?
People are being very selective on who does wrong and it is alright and who does wrong and it is wrong.
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He was convictedm
Just as the current Member of Pariliament (The Right Honourable as his legal title in the UK dicates we call him) Conor Murphy was convicted of being a member of the IRA, a terrorist orgaisation
He would need to be a member of the Privy Council to be referred to as Right Honourable otherwise, as an MP, he is entitled to be called the 'Honourable Member for...' when referred to in the House of Commons
Sex God
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I answered your question, I said he was convicted what more did you want me to say to the question "was he convicted or not". (1)
Having answered your question I wondered what difference it made (2), in South Africa the people of the nation voted overwhelmingly that it didn't matter and surely that is their business or do we impose our values on other nations ? and if we do my example of that was there for all to see, our example is to call a convicted terrorist (3) The Right Honourable and pay him a large salary.
My tangents have been to show that what people do in their life is only relevant at the time, I have given examples of others who have done things they should not have done but whose overall deeds have been accepted by the British Public who have totally exonerated them, why are people choosing to highlight what Nelson Mandella did ?
People are being very selective on who does wrong and it is alright and who does wrong and it is wrong.(4)
(1) A simple yes or no answer is all that was required, not another tangent.
(2) It doesn't matter at all in my opinion. You don't believe he did anything wrong, fine that's your business.
(3) I thought you said terrorists didn't exist?
(4) I'm not being selective between right and wrong. I let the Law courts decide. Even if that makes me a Nazi in your opinion.
Sexpert
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I answered your question, I said he was convicted what more did you want me to say to the question "was he convicted or not". (1)
Having answered your question I wondered what difference it made (2), in South Africa the people of the nation voted overwhelmingly that it didn't matter and surely that is their business or do we impose our values on other nations ? and if we do my example of that was there for all to see, our example is to call a convicted terrorist (3) The Right Honourable and pay him a large salary.
My tangents have been to show that what people do in their life is only relevant at the time, I have given examples of others who have done things they should not have done but whose overall deeds have been accepted by the British Public who have totally exonerated them, why are people choosing to highlight what Nelson Mandella did ?
People are being very selective on who does wrong and it is alright and who does wrong and it is wrong.(4)
(1) A simple yes or no answer is all that was required, not another tangent.
(2) It doesn't matter at all in my opinion. You don't believe he did anything wrong, fine that's your business.
(3) I thought you said terrorists didn't exist?
(4) I'm not being selective between right and wrong. I let the Law courts decide. Even if that makes me a Nazi in your opinion.
Do you think he split opinion?
(1) A simple yes or no answer is all that was required, not another tangent.
(2) It doesn't matter at all in my opinion. You don't believe he did anything wrong, fine that's your business.
On the contrary I believe the conviction to be correct and that he did do wrong however just a HM Government have forgiven convicted people in the UK I believe his subsequent actions overide what he did and with his release from prison and subsequent election to Prime Minister, believe the people and authorities of South Africa believe the same.
(3) I thought you said terrorists didn't exist?
I have to use the labels of the day, I cannot say he was convicted of being a member of an organisaton as under UK law that is not a crime.
(4) I'm not being selective between right and wrong. I let the Law courts decide. Even if that makes me a Nazi in your opinion.
Where did the Nazi accusation come from ?
So as Osama Bin Laden was never convicted of any offences his death at the hands of US Troops was murder ?
(2) It doesn't matter at all in my opinion. You don't believe he did anything wrong, fine that's your business.
On the contrary I believe the conviction to be correct and that he did do wrong however just a HM Government have forgiven convicted people in the UK I believe his subsequent actions overide what he did and with his release from prison and subsequent election to Prime Minister, believe the people and authorities of South Africa believe the same.
(3) I thought you said terrorists didn't exist?
I have to use the labels of the day, I cannot say he was convicted of being a member of an organisaton as under UK law that is not a crime.
(4) I'm not being selective between right and wrong. I let the Law courts decide. Even if that makes me a Nazi in your opinion.
Where did the Nazi accusation come from ?
So as Osama Bin Laden was never convicted of any offences his death at the hands of US Troops was murder ?
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24Glad to see you agree with me at last.
On the contrary I believe the conviction to be correct and that he did do wrong
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I have to use the labels of the day, I cannot say he was convicted of being a member of an organisaton as under UK law that is not a crime.
He was convicted of the following:
a. Recruiting persons for training in the preparation and use of explosives and in guerrilla warfare for the purpose of violent revolution and committing acts of sabotage.
b. Conspiring to commit the aforementioned acts and to aid foreign military units when they invaded the Republic.
c. Acting in these ways to further the objects of communism.
d. Soliciting and receiving money for these purposes from sympathizers in other countries.
(4) I'm not being selective between right and wrong. I let the Law courts decide. Even if that makes me a Nazi in your opinion.
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Where did the Nazi accusation come from ?
If you cant be bothered to read my posts, I can't be bothered to explain subsequent posts to you.
Quote by MidsCouple24It's true he was not convicted but he was a wanted man in many countries and had been indicted by the US. Bin Laden twice declared War on the US and therefore made himself a target.
So as Osama Bin Laden was never convicted of any offences his death at the hands of US Troops was murder ?
Sex God
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One man's terrorist etc etc - heard it many times, but don't hold with it.
He was an indiscriminate murderer. I have no problem with the founding principle of MK, in that all avenues of legitimate protest were denied to them and thus a guerilla style conflict was justifiable, and some collateral casualties would be inevitable . What was not justifiable was the deliberate indiscriminate targeting of innocent civilians - much like the IRA and Al Qu'aeda. Amnesty International would not take up his case as a prisoner of conscience because of it.
So the fact that in order to be released from prison, he said he was sorry and agreed it was wrong, makes everything all right does it? By that logic, we should expect the same level of emotion when McGuiness and Adams do the human race a favour by leaving it.
Nelson Mandela was convicted on conspiracy charges in 1963 and was in prison (mostly in solitary confinement) when the ANC campaign was at its height in the 1980's. Prior to his arrest the ANC had blown up a couple of railway tracks and sub stations and were nothing more than an irritant. The apartheid government would have loved to put Mandela on a murder charge as it would have been an excuse to find him guilty and hang him.
Many people have labelled Mandella as a murderer and violent terrorist but this is simply not correct and it would have been most difficult for him to orchestrate the ANC activities whilst in solitary confinement. He was an enigmatic personality who came to embody the unfairness of the apartheid system and the struggle for equality was taken on in his name whilst he knew little, if anything, about it.
The dignified and respectful way that he handled his imprisonment and his steadfast resolution to abide by his beliefs of fairness and equality raised his enigmatic status to that of a legend. Nelson Mandela had nothing to say sorry for and there is simply no comparison between him and Adams/McGuiness.
I wish I had researched and learned that, I just assumed from the negative comments about him he was a mass murderer an someone who went aroung killing lots of innocent white people, 30 years for consipracy that people here are saying was justified and a good reason to condemn him for the rest of his life.
Sex God
Mass murderer, hell no. Not even a murderer. But terrorist, definitely.
i have nothing at all but prise for mendela's spirit and beliefs that he could make a difference.
but i have to be honest and say im absolutely sick and tired of hearing about him now he is dead. it seems its all the bbc and sky news go on about.
has the world stopped because Mendela's dead?
its like diana all over again.
but i have to be honest and say im absolutely sick and tired of hearing about him now he is dead. it seems its all the bbc and sky news go on about.
has the world stopped because Mendela's dead?
its like diana all over again.
Sex God
Blunt as always racer, however I must admit to feeling like you too. I haven't watched the news in four days.
Sex God
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i have nothing at all but prise for mendela's spirit and beliefs that he could make a difference.
but i have to be honest and say im absolutely sick and tired of hearing about him now he is dead. it seems its all the bbc and sky news go on about.
has the world stopped because Mendela's dead?
its like diana all over again.
Us as well, Shel is this morning looking for a newspaper with "minimum Mandela content".
I read somewhere that the BBC was sending 100 employees to South Africa to cover the event.
John
