RSPCA accused of political agenda

10 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
I see this week a lot of media coverage on TV at the increasing number of "urban foxes", in my humble opinion this increase is due to the obvious easy access take away meals available to foxes in urban areas, and the hounding (no pun intended) of them in thier natural environment. I think perhaps they took a leaf from the Book of Human, if your hounded where you live, emigrate to nicer places, can't fault them
I do support culling of herds and wild animals, culling takes out old or infirm animals from a herd in order that the herd is more equipped to survive and prosper, the culling of squirrels, birds, foxes, badgers and so on involves a similar practice, taking out the old and infirm in order that the remaining animals will have sufficient territory to hunt, eat and survice.
Most culling is done in a humane way, though not all, culling deer for example is normally done by a single shot to the head by a marksman, I support humane culling but will never support hunting for sport that involves killing animals of any description, using the "keeping the numbers down" excuse is pathetic, quoting how long we have done it for and how popular it used to be is equally pathetic, we are supposed to have moved on and got more civilised haven't we, or would it still be ok to burn suspected witches just because it used to be popular.
I disagree that it is only the posh that do it, yes many members of a hunt are from afluent backgrounds but not all, and many of the "back up" staff necessary for hunt organisations to exist are not afluent neither are the pub owners that welcome them or the farmers who allow them on to thier land. Let us not let the less afluent people get away with this barbaric "sport".

I was trying to avoid the hunting debate on this one, but I am easily drawn when I read what other right.
I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other parts, in equal measure.
The fox population is estimated at 240,000 (pre-breeding) of which 14% only are in urban locations. Some 425,000 cubs are born each year. So we can see that with no natural prediter, foxes can not be left to there own devises
Regarding your marksmen, The majority of foxes culled in the UK are shot using a rifle. Wounding rates using a rifle can be up to 48% and for a shotgun as high as 60%. Killing rates increase but wounding rates do not decrease with the skill of the marksmen. If you are interested in these numbers you can download the study here;

Add to this it is much more difficult to tell a foxes age and condition than say a dear.
From what you state above you except the need for wildlife management. The main aim of population management should be, firstly to maintain a healthy and well balanced population, in there local environment. A level which is also acceptable to land owners, farmers and us humans as a whole. The thing we seam to differ on is the best method of doing this.
Let me put forward some criteria of what I look for when judging the best method of control. A closed season during the breading season, would be my first consideration. This is some thing observed by hunts to allow the fox to bread in total piece. Marksmen and shooter's do not follow any such code. My second consideration would be a clean kill. With hunting, unless human activity interrupts the hounds the fox is always killed or escapes, but never is it wounded. Again this can not be said for shooting. The next important aspect that hunting preforms is that it mimics nature 100%. It is a natural selection process, preformed by the chase whereby old, weak and sick animals are culled in direct relation to their debility, or ability, thereby promoting the health and vigour of the species. Yet again, this can not be said of shooting. One more important thing to note here is that with the hunting of foxes, the fox is given "quarry species status", without this, to most in the countryside the fox is just a pest.

10 May 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
Nothing to do with sport, nothing to do with toffs.

it has EVERYTHING to do with " sport " and more the toffs

Quote by Bluefish2009
All to do with the management of foxes. You may find this difficult to watch, but it is no more than what happens in nature every minuet of every day.

management of foxes? what by you bluefish? or what about the right honourable julian whatever? what gives you or him or anyone of the countryside toffs,the right to dictate what lives and what dies? stop playing god for your own joyful slaughter of an animal. then you lot wonder what kind of peeple we are when the RSPCA issues a writ. loon

i hope the law intervenes and comes to the aid of the fox. whatever will the toffs do on a sunday then i ask myself.

Quote by Bluefish2009
Further to that, if those people had not intervened, that fox would have had a swift clean kill and not suffered at all.

not suffered at all? FFS
how can you not suffer when that fox is making the ultimate sacrifice of death, but by a hunts mans hounds. that excuse i am afraid to say bluefish has utterly sickened me to the core. at times i am ashamed to be of the human race, and i am sure the RSPCA can back that statement up a million times by seeing what the human does to animals and foxes.

10 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
management of foxes? what by you bluefish? or what about the right honourable julian whatever? what gives you or him or anyone of the countryside toffs,the right to dictate what lives and what dies? stop playing god for your own joyful slaughter of an animal. then you lot wonder what kind of peeple we are when the RSPCA issues a writ. i hope the law intervenes and comes to the aid of the fox. whatever will the toffs do on a sunday then i ask myself.

Do you use the same standard with the meat you put on the Sunday table.
As regards the rest of what you have written, I have clearly answered most of your points but you fail to believe me. There is little I can do about that

10 May 2012

No it doesn't happen everyday in Nature
In nature animals and humans die as a result of a natural (however rare) occurence.
Nature does not think ...... hmmmm time to kill some japanese with a tidal wave, let's wipe out a hundred thousand animals with a drought.
In nature animals kill out of instinct or to feed, I know of few cases where animals kill for pleasure and that is the difference between culling, hunting and feeding yourself.
Killing for pleasure is barbaric and belonds in the dark ages from which most civilised people have moved on.
Why else do we have a law to ban hunting, why do we have laws to punish a man who clubs a puppy to death, if you do not want to live by the laws of this land, go to another land.
That is the be all and end all of it.

10 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
No it doesn't happen everyday in Nature
In nature animals and humans die as a result of a natural (however rare) occurence.
Nature does not think ...... hmmmm time to kill some japanese with a tidal wave, let's wipe out a hundred thousand animals with a drought.
In nature animals kill out of instinct or to feed, I know of few cases where animals kill for pleasure and that is the difference between culling, hunting and feeding yourself.
Killing for pleasure is barbaric and belonds in the dark ages from which most civilised people have moved on.
Why else do we have a law to ban hunting, why do we have laws to punish a man who clubs a puppy to death, if you do not want to live by the laws of this land, go to another land.
That is the be all and end all of it.

Most definitely not the be all and end all of it, you are incorrect on that. Do you have any coherent reply to any of my points or,
Did you actually read any of what I wrote????? No one is killing for pleasure. Job satisfaction perhaps, but not pleasure. A little like the man who works in the abattoir
The fox population is estimated at 240,000 (pre-breeding) of which 14% only are in urban locations. Some 425,000 cubs are born each year. So we can see that with no natural prediter, foxes can not be left to there own devises
Regarding your marksmen, The majority of foxes culled in the UK are shot using a rifle. Wounding rates using a rifle can be up to 48% and for a shotgun as high as 60%. Killing rates increase but wounding rates do not decrease with the skill of the marksmen. If you are interested in these numbers you can download the study here;

Add to this it is much more difficult to tell a foxes age and condition than say a dear.
From what you state above you except the need for wildlife management. The main aim of population management should be, firstly to maintain a healthy and well balanced population, in there local environment. A level which is also acceptable to land owners, farmers and us humans as a whole. The thing we seam to differ on is the best method of doing this.
Let me put forward some criteria of what I look for when judging the best method of control. A closed season during the breading season, would be my first consideration. This is some thing observed by hunts to allow the fox to bread in total piece. Marksmen and shooter's do not follow any such code. My second consideration would be a clean kill. With hunting, unless human activity interrupts the hounds the fox is always killed or escapes, but never is it wounded. Again this can not be said for shooting. The next important aspect that hunting preforms is that it mimics nature 100%. It is a natural selection process, preformed by the chase whereby old, weak and sick animals are culled in direct relation to their debility, or ability, thereby promoting the health and vigour of the species. Yet again, this can not be said of shooting. One more important thing to note here is that with the hunting of foxes, the fox is given "quarry species status", without this, to most in the countryside the fox is just a pest.

10 May 2012

I never said anything about how foxes are or are not culled, I said if the need is there to decrease thier numbers then it should be done through culling, ie selected removal of some numbers.
My experience in culling and the culling I referred to is when I was called upon it to cull deer in the Scottish Highlands, selected marksmen where used for this purpose, both for the culling of deer and to gain further experience for the qualified marksmen.
I do not support or believe hunting to be right, I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to kill a mammal for any reason, that includes farmers on thier own land, I believe this culling should only be carried out by either qualified marksmen or other methods of control such as instantaneous gas or poison, both of which are available and cause no suffering.
What I hate about hunting is that those that do it do it for pleasure and I believe that in this day and age getting pleasure from killing an animal is abhorent I believe that those that get pleasure from killing something are sick in the mind.
I have killed both animals and people and I have never got any pleasure from either, I do get pleasure from helping people and animals.
Hunting started long before there was a need to look at the number of animals of a particular species, why do we not hunt or urban pigeons or rats which are also a problem in thier large numbers, because there is no pleasure to be gained for those that do it.
Are there too many grouse or bears, are our rivers and lakes too full of trout are they causing a problem too, how many grouse are there ? how many trout are there ? what is the problems they cause and how much is it affecting life on the planet ?

10 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
What I hate about hunting is that those that do it do it for pleasure and I believe that in this day and age getting pleasure from killing an animal is abhorent I believe that those that get pleasure from killing something are sick in the mind.
The only pleasure is from job satisfaction.
I have killed both animals and people and I have never got any pleasure from either, I do get pleasure from helping people and animals.
So what make you presume others get any satisfaction from it. You make assumptions of other peoples character without even meeting them
Hunting started long before there was a need to look at the number of animals of a particular species, why do we not hunt or urban pigeons or rats which are also a problem in thier large numbers, because there is no pleasure to be gained for those that do it.
Pigeons are shot, the dogs have trouble with the plying part, and rats are hunted with terriers.
Are there too many grouse or bears, are our rivers and lakes too full of trout are they causing a problem too, how many grouse are there ? how many trout are there ? what is the problems they cause and how much is it affecting life on the planet ?
The two above mentioned are for food, I take it you eat food?

Pigeons;
Rats;

10 May 2012

to cull or not to cull, that is the question ?
Whether it is nobler to cull the Fox by chasing it with dogs or via a gun.
(sorry for the mis-quote Bard)
One thing is obvious though is that the pressure for a cull of Badgers which the Government might yet win their High Court review for the trials in England, is that they want Badgers to be shot.
Wales have rejected this for a vaccination programme

10 May 2012

Quote by HnS
to cull or not to cull, that is the question ?
Whether it is nobler to cull the Fox by chasing it with dogs or via a gun.
(sorry for the mis-quote Bard)
One thing is obvious though is that the pressure for a cull of Badgers which the Government might yet win their High Court review for the trials in England, is that they want Badgers to be shot.
Wales have rejected this for a vaccination programme

I feel that both hounds and shooting have there place, but shooting is rarely as clean cut as some might have you think. That is why even the best marksmen have dear dogs to track dead and wounded animals. In fact I believe it is to there credit that they have such a dog and would frown upon those who would go shooting without one.
I think a badger cull is looking very unlikely in its current form

10 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
I never said anything about how foxes are or are not culled, I said if the need is there to decrease thier numbers then it should be done through culling, ie selected removal of some numbers.
My experience in culling and the culling I referred to is when I was called upon it to cull deer in the Scottish Highlands, selected marksmen where used for this purpose, both for the culling of deer and to gain further experience for the qualified marksmen.
I do not support or believe hunting to be right, I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to kill a mammal for any reason, that includes farmers on thier own land, I believe this culling should only be carried out by either qualified marksmen or other methods of control such as instantaneous gas or poison, both of which are available and cause no suffering.

You seam to be contradicting your self, one moment culling is ok, the next culling foxes is not. Oh I see as long as it is done your way....
I do not believe shooting to be the best method of control for many reasons, as stated above
Poisoning is now illegal as it killed to many other animal. Gasses for gassing are no longer legal. for your information;
Legal methods
1) Shooting (with (a) rifle or (b) shotgun);
2) Trapping (with legal snares or live cage traps).
3) Terriers may also be used to flush foxes from below ground to be shot but only to protect game birds that are being preserved to be shot.
Illegal methods of killing foxes include:
1) Gassing (it is not gassing that is illegal, but there are no legal gasses);
2) Poisoning;
3) Illegal trapping (using illegal snares and gin traps), and now include
4) Hunting with hounds, and
5) Terrier work.

10 May 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
The R.S.P.C.A. are driven by their greed, they don't do anything unless they think they'll get paid

A sweeping statement and not supported by any factual evidence.
It is indeed ... but any organisation that proports to be an animal welfare charity and refuses repeatedly to attend animals in distress is a liar.I can only offer anecdotal evidence so I wont bother.
Fucking R.S.P.C.A. I shit 'em all they want is your Grannies legacy and the chance to play at being police
On this, of the most rarest of moments, I, 100% agree with stags.
Gnv, your granny was also right, at that time they were an upstanding charity. In my view now they are not. Again, only my view, but they care very little about animal welfare.
They have become a money grabbing, (which would be ok if it was to do good) organisation. Which as stags eluded to, has become pissed on there own power.
As some one who used to donate, I have come to dislike everything they now stand for.
Again anecdotal, if you were to cite me references where they have grabbed grannys legacy and refused to help animals in distress then I shall change my opinion. But I can only go on my own anecdotal evidence of what I see from one of my close friends who has been an officer for 20 years with them.
The terrible stories that she deals with day in and day out. Humans can be so cruel and calculating. It makes me despair that I share the same genetic make up with these thugs.
The case if the young man who clubbed his terrier pup was one she attended this week. The court should have looked at psychiatric evaluation on that man because he was "wired up" wrong. But no, a fine and banned from owning an animal.
Not surprisingly given their press machine negative stories tend not to make the edit ...
However here are two examples I was (to a limited degree) involved in..
1:The case of a Rottweiler who was abandoned on the balcony of a block of flats locally when his owners were evicted... Though the dog was in distress and slowly starving to death,repeated calls to the rspca were met with indifference,apparently he wasn't their responsibility because he wasn't a stray .. the dog was finally rescued when a local rottweiler rescue climbed up to the balcony.
2: The young collie found with acid burns to it's face ... the woman who found it acted quickly and neutralized the acid with water but the dog was still in severe pain, she phoned the rspca hoping they would take the dog for treatment,their response was that it wasn't an emergency and they would not attend .. she phoned Dog lost and got through to BB who was at the time north east co-ordinator,she phoned the rspca and was met with the same response,the woman took the dog to her own vet and paid for it's emergency treatment, in the meantime BB posted on the Dog lost forum and started their volunteers phoning the rspca en-masse still they refused to attend,finally several hours later BB phoned the rspca and informed them that she would be contacting the press ... they went and collected the dog,this did warrant a small piece in the media about the rspca rescuing a dog that had been the victim of an acid attack
Finally our local rspca shelter is effectively a franchise ... they will not take strays,they pick which dogs they take in and charge the owners for doing so, they then charge again when the dog is adopted.
Any reader of Private Eye will be familiar with stories about the rspca's claims to have a right to search premises (they don't) .... power hungry,greedy and heartless .... fucking rspca I shit 'em

10 May 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
The R.S.P.C.A. are driven by their greed, they don't do anything unless they think they'll get paid

A sweeping statement and not supported by any factual evidence.
It is indeed ... but any organisation that proports to be an animal welfare charity and refuses repeatedly to attend animals in distress is a liar.I can only offer anecdotal evidence so I wont bother.
Fucking R.S.P.C.A. I shit 'em all they want is your Grannies legacy and the chance to play at being police
On this, of the most rarest of moments, I, 100% agree with stags.
Gnv, your granny was also right, at that time they were an upstanding charity. In my view now they are not. Again, only my view, but they care very little about animal welfare.
They have become a money grabbing, (which would be ok if it was to do good) organisation. Which as stags eluded to, has become pissed on there own power.
As some one who used to donate, I have come to dislike everything they now stand for.
Again anecdotal, if you were to cite me references where they have grabbed grannys legacy and refused to help animals in distress then I shall change my opinion. But I can only go on my own anecdotal evidence of what I see from one of my close friends who has been an officer for 20 years with them.
The terrible stories that she deals with day in and day out. Humans can be so cruel and calculating. It makes me despair that I share the same genetic make up with these thugs.
The case if the young man who clubbed his terrier pup was one she attended this week. The court should have looked at psychiatric evaluation on that man because he was "wired up" wrong. But no, a fine and banned from owning an animal.

Remember they have no more power than you or I

10 May 2012

Point taken. Saturdays stinky poos will be quite effervescent as I ask her to defend those examples and videos.

10 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Not surprisingly given their press machine negative stories tend not to make the edit ...

or dont exist. dunno

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
However here are two examples I was (to a limited degree) involved in..

so there would be some evidence of this confused

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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
1:The case of a Rottweiler who was abandoned on the balcony of a block of flats locally when his owners were evicted... Though the dog was in distress and slowly starving to death,repeated calls to the rspca were met with indifference,apparently he wasn't their responsibility because he wasn't a stray .. the dog was finally rescued when a local rottweiler rescue climbed up to the balcony.

sorry but if this is true can you submit evidence of this please :?:

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
2: The young collie found with acid burns to it's face ... the woman who found it acted quickly and neutralized the acid with water but the dog was still in severe pain, she phoned the rspca hoping they would take the dog for treatment,their response was that it wasn't an emergency and they would not attend .. she phoned Dog lost and got through to BB who was at the time north east co-ordinator,she phoned the rspca and was met with the same response,the woman took the dog to her own vet and paid for it's emergency treatment, in the meantime BB posted on the Dog lost forum and started their volunteers phoning the rspca en-masse still they refused to attend,finally several hours later BB phoned the rspca and informed them that she would be contacting the press ... they went and collected the dog,this did warrant a small piece in the media about the rspca rescuing a dog that had been the victim of an acid attack

once again i would ask have you any evidence of the RSPCA's negative responce in this.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Finally our local rspca shelter is effectively a franchise ... they will not take strays,they pick which dogs they take in and charge the owners for doing so, they then charge again when the dog is adopted.

it is still a charity and even though i am sure there are a few instances where the RSPCA do not get things right, on the whole i am sure the animals who go before the RSPCA in whatever capacity, are grateful that they are there. also it is very easy to pick a few examples ( and will wait for the evidence ) of the RSPCA not doing what they should, but i am sure for every one bad example there is a thousand of great examples of the fantastic work they do.

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Any reader of Private Eye will be familiar with stories about the rspca's claims to have a right to search premises (they don't) .... power hungry,greedy and heartless .... fucking rspca I shit 'em

" any reader of private eye " what at a fortnight? are there any readers and the private eye is more than famous for its willingness to print stories that are controversial and allegedly defamatory. This was reflected in the past by the large number of libel lawsuits against it, a phenomenon for which it became notorious.
i would not beleeve the dat on its front page.

10 May 2012

Go and look up 'anecdotal' in a dictionary
note I started my previous post with a disclaimer
note that I really don't give a shit whether or not you believe me star ... as I said I was involved in the 2 cases,take me at my word or don't .. your choice

10 May 2012

Quote by Rogue_trader
Point taken. Saturdays stinky poos will be quite effervescent as I ask her to defend those examples and videos.

I would like to add that I have no doubt that most R.S.P.C.A. inspectors,volunteers etc. have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation

10 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Go and look up 'anecdotal' in a dictionary
note I started my previous post with a disclaimer
note that I really don't give a shit whether or not you believe me star ... as I said I was involved in the 2 cases,take me at my word or don't .. your choice

you cannot come on here with stories of this or that, detailing nagatives about something you have openly admitted to despise and expect anyone to beleeve it without evidence.
but here are some true happy stories. if you dont beleeve these stories from the RSPCA,,,,sue them.

and the most rewarding one of all

proof is easy to find. :thumbup:
but then again mr staggers i also dont give a shit if you beleeve these or not :doh:

10 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
Go and look up 'anecdotal' in a dictionary
note I started my previous post with a disclaimer
note that I really don't give a shit whether or not you believe me star ... as I said I was involved in the 2 cases,take me at my word or don't .. your choice

you cannot come on here with stories of this or that, detailing nagatives about something you have openly admitted to despise and expect anyone to beleeve it without evidence.

Really !!! bugger those mods had better bet the settings changed and quick .... cos look up the page chum I just fucking did

10 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Go and look up 'anecdotal' in a dictionary
note I started my previous post with a disclaimer
note that I really don't give a shit whether or not you believe me star ... as I said I was involved in the 2 cases,take me at my word or don't .. your choice

you cannot come on here with stories of this or that, detailing nagatives about something you have openly admitted to despise and expect anyone to beleeve it without evidence.

Really !!! bugger those mods had better bet the settings changed and quick .... cos look up the page chum I just fucking did
Hi bb Here Having had a totally shit experiance of the rspca
I est my case a bunch of money grabbing bastards
The family of an animal lover who left land in his will for a nature reserve said his dying wish was ignored – after bulldozers were sent in to clear the site. David Brown spent his spare time watching foxes, badgers, hedgehogs and squirrels on the plot of land next to his house in Alderley Edge. Mr Brown, described by neighbours as a 'gentle giant', wanted it to be preserved after his death in 2007, and left it, along with his home, to the RSPCA. But the RSPCA says Mr Brown did not make it a binding condition in his will that it should not be developed– and sold the site. Now contractors have moved in to clear trees and shrubs, including a number of mature oaks. Mr Brown’s brother Geoffrey Brown, 71, of Heywood Road, said: “It’s a disaster. They were beautiful trees. “It’s very sad that this land has been left bare when my brother wanted it protected.” One neighbour said: “David loved animals and left the land for the birds and other wildlife. “Some of the trees were taller than the house and the oaks must have been 500 years old. “The sound of birds can be deafening and you see hedgehogs and badgers. I’m so angry and upset – David thought the land was safe, it was his dying wish.” Mr Brown, who lived at Belmont Cottages in Heyes Lane, was an auxiliary nurse at the Mary Dendy Unit, a former psychiatric hospital at Nether Alderley. He retired early to look after his mother and was said to have become anxious when she died in 2002 after a long illness. He was found dead at the house in 2007 at the age of 60 after apparently taking his own life. Harold Smith, chairman of the Alderley Edge History Society, was born at the cottages and the land was his garden as a boy. He said: “I think it’s disgusting. David wanted it kept as a nature reserve. He was a nice lad and would help anyone.” A council spokesman said an enforcement notice was served on the site but an investigation found there were no protected trees. No planning application had been submitted. A Land Registry document from last September shows that Deanbank Investments Ltd owns the land and Jones Residential Leasing Ltd owns the cottage. Both are based at Emerson House in Alderley Edge. The building is home of the Emerson Group, run by property tycoon Peter Jones. Recent company records show Mr Jones as a director of Deanbank Investments Ltd. A spokesman for Jones Homes said: “Neither the Emerson Group, Jones Homes or Peter Jones have acquired the land and have no ownership rights. I understand the site has been cleared of unsightly builders’ rubble, tyres, undergrowth and weeds. Two oak trees, which were diseased and unsafe, have also been removed from the site.”
Read more at:

10 May 2012

With these two links I would ask/state:
1) For the lost dog that was put down, why didn't the owner have it chipped like a responsible owner should?
2) For the ten dogs put down. Captive bolt and pithing was the accepted way to slaughter beasts. It was stopped, not because it was cruel, but because there was a slight risk that spinal contamination could affect the meat. This could lead to BSE getting on the meat, which had a risk of being passed to humans and passing on CJD. However, the dogs were not for human consumption. Is it humane? Has been for years, so I suspect that it is a standard humane way to destroy animals. Whether it was right to destroy the ten.........I honestly do not know or have an opinion as there are very limited facts
Dave_Notts

11 May 2012

I have been mistaken for so long, Hunts only exist for the good of mankind, they don't get pleasure from what they do, they do it for free, they keep all those hunting dogs and pay a fortune for thier horses just so they can rid us of foxes, wow that is amazing.
Y'know that statement did it for me, think what you want, I hate those that hunt for pleasure, nothing you say has any relevance to me, so go, support the fox hunters and have a nice life, I have said all I want to say.

11 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
I have been mistaken for so long

Indeed you have

11 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Point taken. Saturdays stinky poos will be quite effervescent as I ask her to defend those examples and videos.

I would like to add that I have no doubt that most R.S.P.C.A. inspectors,volunteers etc. have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation
:thumbup:

11 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation

many organisations can be described as that. now what was the morally bankrupt union again? no hold on give me a moment to gather my thoughts,,,,
:confused: innocent

oh yes i remember. :idea:

12 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation

many organisations can be described as that. now what was the morally bankrupt union again? no hold on give me a moment to gather my thoughts,,,,
:confused: innocent

oh yes i remember. :idea:
Is that it ?? is that really your best attempt ??
I'm sorry .... no I really am ... if that's your best attempt to bait me then I have nothing to offer but my pity

12 May 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation

many organisations can be described as that. now what was the morally bankrupt union again? no hold on give me a moment to gather my thoughts,,,,
:confused: innocent

oh yes i remember. :idea:
Is that it ?? is that really your best attempt ??
I'm sorry .... no I really am ... if that's your best attempt to bait me then I have nothing to offer but my pity
:laughabove:
i only said a little thingy as really you are not worth the finger time on my keyboard to reply. i reely dont know at times why i waste my time. so on this occasion and your lack of any evidence to back up your jackanory stories, i shall bid you farewell and have a pint of best bitter on me. rolleyes

13 May 2012

Confirmed last night by BGT - the fucking Country is going to the dogs...

13 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
have the best of intentions,I also have no doubt that they are often hamstrung by a morally bankrupt organisation

many organisations can be described as that. now what was the morally bankrupt union again? no hold on give me a moment to gather my thoughts,,,,
:confused: innocent

oh yes i remember. :idea:
Is that it ?? is that really your best attempt ??
I'm sorry .... no I really am ... if that's your best attempt to bait me then I have nothing to offer but my pity
:laughabove:
i only said a little thingy as really you are not worth the finger time on my keyboard to reply*. i reely dont know at times why i waste my time**. so on this occasion and your lack of any evidence to back up your jackanory stories, i shall bid you farewell and have a pint of best bitter on me. rolleyes

*But you still keep trying to respond
**No me neither ... perhaps it's time you were honest with yourself about your true feelings

13 May 2012

Well, that got very boring, very fast. Well done folks.
<<< won't be checking this (previously) interesting thread again.