Sex education should be compulsory

1 Mar 2010

I can not understand why we allow children to be withdrawn from sex education. Not when children are abused, abused because they do not have an understanding of normal sex life.
My, I have just argued for normality!
I know my point is simple.
Travis

1 Mar 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
are teachers actually trained in how to teach sex education ?
if so then how would parents find out what they are told to say in this teaching ?
just curious
a friend of mine is doing a one year degree to then be a teacher
she already has a degree
im not much up on the right words to use but it means that once she has finished this year she can then teach secondary age children
she has had to choose what subjects she will then teach
after looking at the choices she asked how she could teach about subjects she doesnt know much about, she was told she can teach what she got her first degree in and anything else to google it !!!!
does this mean that teachers dont recieve any training about how to teach children about sex ?
im sure theres ongoing training tho, hope so anyway :)

Yes, there are training courses to teach SRE, provided as part of continual professional development. Parents at our school are invited to watch the video/DVD we have to show the children and they have the opportunity to ask any questions they have about what their child will be taught.
Your friend will be doing a PGCE, which covers the basics but is a very condensed form of teacher training. I think the majority of teachers will have done a three or four year degree and have specialist subject knowledge paired with a broad general knowledge which will enble them to teach pretty much anything.

Quote by kentswingers777
*snip* So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.
There is an organisation for picking ya nose nowadays, so must be one that can teach kids about sex.
Yes I suppose a biology teacher at secondary school could, and no doubt does. I do not know.
People who are deemed to be impartial, who have no hidden agendas, and that has had the training and possesses the skills required. Maybe someone on here could enlighten us as to if there is a body out there, who either could do this, or does do this.
I know they will say teachers but I still do NOT think primary school teachers have that knowledge, maybe I am wrong.

I am a primary school teacher. You are wrong; I do have the knowledge and skills to teach sex education, impartially and with no hidden agenda.
That of course is your opinion of course.
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps?
Come on I could teach children the fundamentals but I do not have the expert training one would need to teach at Primary school level. You cannot just let anyone teach them and that is where a lot of parents are worried.
They are worried who will teach them and what they will be taught.
There are many reasons as to why it IS rising in the Uk. I have given examples but it is not that easy as there are many. I still say for a lot of kids the benefit gravy train of child=benefits for life. They have seen friends and possibly family members doing it, and for some it is their way out. No ammount of sex education will stop that!
This Government have spent millions on this issue and set out clear guidelines as to their targets....they have failed!
I believe teaching kids about sex at an even younger age than they do now, will heighten the problem in years to come.

They are rising so what has happened to all the money spent? All the " experts " that have been teaching it? It is a " LIFESTYLE " choice for a lot of these kids, and no ammount of time and effort will stop it.
Teach about the morals and the family values BEFORE sex education at an early age...it may well work a bit better than it is at the moment perhaps?? Because whatever the hip hop brigade say....it is NOT working as it is at the moment...fact!

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
That of course is your opinion of course.
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps?
My specialism at university was science. So, yes. As well as training in delivering SRE, just to make sure that I do know how to approach it at a primary level.
Come on I could teach children the fundamentals but I do not have the expert training one would need to teach at Primary school level.
I have. Hence my answer that I do know what I'm doing.
You cannot just let anyone teach them and that is where a lot of parents are worried.
They are worried who will teach them and what they will be taught.
And that is why they are given the option to come and watch the published video/DVD and ask us (the teachers and nursing professionals who deliver the curriculum) any questions.
There are many reasons as to why it IS rising in the Uk. I have given examples but it is not that easy as there are many. I still say for a lot of kids the benefit gravy train of child=benefits for life. They have seen friends and possibly family members doing it, and for some it is their way out. No ammount of sex education will stop that!
That is neither an argument for, nor against, SRE.
This Government have spent millions on this issue and set out clear guidelines as to their targets....they have failed!
I believe teaching kids about sex at an even younger age than they do now, will heighten the problem in years to come.

They are rising so what has happened to all the money spent? All the " experts " that have been teaching it? It is a " LIFESTYLE " choice for a lot of these kids, and no ammount of time and effort will stop it.
Teach about the morals and the family values BEFORE sex education at an early age...it may well work a bit better than it is at the moment perhaps?? Because whatever the hip hop brigade say....it is NOT working as it is at the moment...fact!

The fact is, as has been pointed out to you already in this thread, that teenage pregnancy is on a downward trend. Something must be working.
Just out of curiosity, why did you delete your earlier post saying that we never see eye to eye?

1 Mar 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
You could ,really!lets see your scheme of work ,and lesson plans a parent trusts a teacher to teach reading ,writing,social skills and the million and one other thinks a primary school teacher covers in the average day why wont they trust them to teach psds.
And why do you asume it does not cover relationships, you honestly seem to think children are given a copy of the joy of sex and thats it!

I wonder if Kenty educated his children at home?
And, as I'm sure you know Kaz(but Kenty hasn't bothered to research), it's called SRE - sex and relationship eduation. Because we teach about relationships as well as the mechanics of sex.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I was not Losty.........honest.
My point was why would anyone believe anything in a paper that had a following smaller than the Beano? In fact I would rather believe the stories in the Beano than that other thing.

Independent circulation >200,000 copies per daily edition. Source? Here. &
Beano circulation? < 74,419. Source? Here.
Are you starting to get how this evidence business works yet?

1 Mar 2010

Quote by awayman
I was not Losty.........honest.
My point was why would anyone believe anything in a paper that had a following smaller than the Beano? In fact I would rather believe the stories in the Beano than that other thing.

Independent circulation >200,000 copies per daily edition. Source? Here. &
Beano circulation? < 74,419. Source? Here.
Are you starting to get how this evidence business works yet?
Nice to know you can Google too. :lol:
I wonder who the people are that actually read it?
Not suprised at a cost of 70p, but if you go to Smiths you get a free bottle of water too.......a bargain. :wink:

1 Mar 2010

Quote by Freckledbird

That of course is your opinion of course.
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps?
My specialism at university was science. So, yes. As well as training in delivering SRE, just to make sure that I do know how to approach it at a primary level.
Come on I could teach children the fundamentals but I do not have the expert training one would need to teach at Primary school level.
I have. Hence my answer that I do know what I'm doing.
You cannot just let anyone teach them and that is where a lot of parents are worried.
They are worried who will teach them and what they will be taught.
And that is why they are given the option to come and watch the published video/DVD and ask us (the teachers and nursing professionals who deliver the curriculum) any questions.
There are many reasons as to why it IS rising in the Uk. I have given examples but it is not that easy as there are many. I still say for a lot of kids the benefit gravy train of child=benefits for life. They have seen friends and possibly family members doing it, and for some it is their way out. No ammount of sex education will stop that!
That is neither an argument for, nor against, SRE.
This Government have spent millions on this issue and set out clear guidelines as to their targets....they have failed!
I believe teaching kids about sex at an even younger age than they do now, will heighten the problem in years to come.

They are rising so what has happened to all the money spent? All the " experts " that have been teaching it? It is a " LIFESTYLE " choice for a lot of these kids, and no ammount of time and effort will stop it.
Teach about the morals and the family values BEFORE sex education at an early age...it may well work a bit better than it is at the moment perhaps?? Because whatever the hip hop brigade say....it is NOT working as it is at the moment...fact!

The fact is, as has been pointed out to you already in this thread, that teenage pregnancy is on a downward trend. Something must be working.
Just out of curiosity, why did you delete your earlier post saying that we never see eye to eye?
Because I thought that comment was a bit unfair.
No I did not educate my kids at home, but then the youngest one left school some nine years ago now, when sex education was taught at BIG school. Anything she wanted to know either her Mother or myself would explain to her. We were very open in our house where sex was concerned.
The whole issue for me was the Governments " targets " that they have failed to meet. The targets that they set they must have thought at the time, were very attainable, because they would not have said figures that they did not think they could reach. They are well off the mark of their targets.
How much money have been spent on this? Millions of pounds on something that I think has been a failure in the wider scheme of things.
Mrs777' Daughter was at a failing school, where the Offsted report not only slammed the head teacher, but also a lot of the teachers too. Would I trust one of those failing teachers, who btw are degree educated in their profession to teach sex education, yet fail the kids in their care? I would not trust one of those to teach my Grandaughter about sex, when they have trouble teaching them to read and write.
Check the figures as to how many leave primary school without the basic fundamentals of English and maths...I think you will find it is quite a lot.
I do not expect you to agree with me as you are a teacher, and no doubt a good one, but to teach kids about sex, when they fail them in a few schools, seems a silly situation to put kids in.
When are these people going to realise that a lot of parents do NOT want their kids to have sex education, other than by people who they feel have the right tools for the job, and a lot certainly do not want it at primary school.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by Kaznkev

I have had this discussion on here and I have been proved right, that more sex education equals more kids having sex.

Quote by kentswingers777
Spend what you like...teach them what you like but....the benefit system is to blame in a lot of cases here.

So which is it?
both , things people dont like they attack, reguardless of the evidence.
Not so sure on the first of kent's points as it can work both ways, some (the knowing ones) probably act as the thread says, but the others are caught out just as they were in days gone by before sex education in schools.
I don't disagree with the latter, but the benefit system was so drawn up mainly for the good of the infant child that came along, but the system has proved to be a double edged sword.
There is no short term answer - in a way the authorities just struggle on as best they can. The only longer term solution is to change the culture of society so that over time, young teenage girls actually desire other courses of action due to a society that is improved over a large number of fronts.
Plim :sad:

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
a lot of parents do NOT want their kids to have sex education, other than by people who they feel have the right tools for the job, and a lot certainly do not want it at primary school.

To save me the bother of googling can you provide the statistics for this statement please.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

That of course is your opinion of course.
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps?
My specialism at university was science. So, yes. As well as training in delivering SRE, just to make sure that I do know how to approach it at a primary level.
Come on I could teach children the fundamentals but I do not have the expert training one would need to teach at Primary school level.
I have. Hence my answer that I do know what I'm doing.
You cannot just let anyone teach them and that is where a lot of parents are worried.
They are worried who will teach them and what they will be taught.
And that is why they are given the option to come and watch the published video/DVD and ask us (the teachers and nursing professionals who deliver the curriculum) any questions.
There are many reasons as to why it IS rising in the Uk. I have given examples but it is not that easy as there are many. I still say for a lot of kids the benefit gravy train of child=benefits for life. They have seen friends and possibly family members doing it, and for some it is their way out. No ammount of sex education will stop that!
That is neither an argument for, nor against, SRE.
This Government have spent millions on this issue and set out clear guidelines as to their targets....they have failed!
I believe teaching kids about sex at an even younger age than they do now, will heighten the problem in years to come.

They are rising so what has happened to all the money spent? All the " experts " that have been teaching it? It is a " LIFESTYLE " choice for a lot of these kids, and no ammount of time and effort will stop it.
Teach about the morals and the family values BEFORE sex education at an early age...it may well work a bit better than it is at the moment perhaps?? Because whatever the hip hop brigade say....it is NOT working as it is at the moment...fact!

The fact is, as has been pointed out to you already in this thread, that teenage pregnancy is on a downward trend. Something must be working.
Just out of curiosity, why did you delete your earlier post saying that we never see eye to eye?
Because I thought that comment was a bit unfair.
No I did not educate my kids at home, but then the youngest one left school some nine years ago now, when sex education was taught at BIG school. Anything she wanted to know either her Mother or myself would explain to her. We were very open in our house where sex was concerned.
The whole issue for me was the Governments " targets " that they have failed to meet. The targets that they set they must have thought at the time, were very attainable, because they would not have said figures that they did not think they could reach. They are well off the mark of their targets.
How much money have been spent on this? Millions of pounds on something that I think has been a failure in the wider scheme of things.
Mrs777' Daughter was at a failing school, where the Offsted report not only slammed the head teacher, but also a lot of the teachers too. Would I trust one of those failing teachers, who btw are degree educated in their profession to teach sex education, yet fail the kids in their care? I would not trust one of those to teach my Grandaughter about sex, when they have trouble teaching them to read and write.
Check the figures as to how many leave primary school without the basic fundamentals of English and maths...I think you will find it is quite a lot.
I do not expect you to agree with me as you are a teacher, and no doubt a good one, but to teach kids about sex, when they fail them in a few schools, seems a silly situation to put kids in.
When are these people going to realise that a lot of parents do NOT want their kids to have sex education, other than by people who they feel have the right tools for the job, and a lot certainly do not want it at primary school.
Just on the issue of the targets for NI112, you might want to do soem research around the concept of stretch targets. Stretch targets are not meant to be easily attainable.

1 Mar 2010

Ah that makes a whole lot of sense. :twisted:
This is a good one for you. lol

1 Mar 2010

Quote by northwest-cpl
a lot of parents do NOT want their kids to have sex education, other than by people who they feel have the right tools for the job, and a lot certainly do not want it at primary school.

To save me the bother of googling can you provide the statistics for this statement please.
A difficult one to find to be honest.
But the BBC did a poll in this link which states that two thirds only wanted sex education from the age of 11.

The general attitudes of parents I have heard on the radio and on the news, when the story was leaked about the Government wanting to start teaching kids as young as five, was negative.

The bottom paragraphs are interesting. IF there was not a need for parents to " opt out ", then why have one? Blimey even I have used the Independent. lol

I will keep doing the search thingy, I am sure I can find some evidence...give me time. wink

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
*snip* So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.

Quote by kentswingers777
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps

So a teacher out of Uni could teach sex education...i mean they would have a degree wouldn't they?

1 Mar 2010

Quote by Mr-Powers
*snip* So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.

Quote by kentswingers777
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps

So a teacher out of Uni could teach sex education...i mean they would have a degree wouldn't they?
As far as I know teachers USED to have to do a six year degree course to become a teacher. Now they have dropped it to four years and the remaining two years can be done in a classroom.
I am not aware that a teaching degree covers sex education, unless you are studying biology?
If someone wanted to teach say maths or English, then that is what their degree would entail, must admit I am not sure about primary school teachers as they tend to teach more than one subject.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
*snip* So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.

Quote by kentswingers777
I would say a Primary school teacher may well know how to teach it, but have you any exams or a diploma in sex education? A biology degree perhaps

So a teacher out of Uni could teach sex education...i mean they would have a degree wouldn't they?
As far as I know teachers USED to have to do a six year degree course to become a teacher. Now they have dropped it to four years and the remaining two years can be done in a classroom.
I am not aware that a teaching degree covers sex education, unless you are studying biology?
If someone wanted to teach say maths or English, then that is what their degree would entail, must admit I am not sure about primary school teachers as they tend to teach more than one subject.
That doesn't resemble any teacher training programme I've ever heard of.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
As far as I know teachers USED to have to do a six year degree course to become a teacher. Now they have dropped it to four years and the remaining two years can be done in a classroom.
I am not aware that a teaching degree covers sex education, unless you are studying biology?
If someone wanted to teach say maths or English, then that is what their degree would entail, must admit I am not sure about primary school teachers as they tend to teach more than one subject.

There has never been a 6 year full time B. Ed as far as I am aware, but part time degrees can be up to 6 years long.
Teaching diplomas used to be a 3 year course with the option to convert to a B. Ed with a fourth year. You cannot enter the teaching profession with a diploma any more. A B. Ed is usually a 4 year course and has always been so, being subject and teaching skill based. A PGCE is a 1 year post graduate course following a (usually) 3 year Bachelor's degree. After this a Newly Qualified Teacher year involves some further Professional Development while working in a first teaching post. At present there is encouragement for teachers to take part time master's degrees but this is not compulsory.
Primary school teachers need a or a PGCE with a degree in a National curriculum subject and an English and Maths GCSE (A-C) or equivalent (again as far as I know).

1 Mar 2010

Quote by northwest-cpl
a lot of parents do NOT want their kids to have sex education, other than by people who they feel have the right tools for the job, and a lot certainly do not want it at primary school.

To save me the bother of googling can you provide the statistics for this statement please.
Was about to post that - and make the comment that parents are entitled to withdraw their child from SRE if they wish.

1 Mar 2010

Quote by northwest-cpl

As far as I know teachers USED to have to do a six year degree course to become a teacher. Now they have dropped it to four years and the remaining two years can be done in a classroom.
I am not aware that a teaching degree covers sex education, unless you are studying biology?
If someone wanted to teach say maths or English, then that is what their degree would entail, must admit I am not sure about primary school teachers as they tend to teach more than one subject.

There has never been a 6 year full time B. Ed as far as I am aware, but part time degrees can be up to 6 years long.
Teaching diplomas used to be a 3 year course with the option to convert to a B. Ed with a fourth year. You cannot enter the teaching profession with a diploma any more. A B. Ed is usually a 4 year course and has always been so, being subject and teaching skill based. A PGCE is a 1 year post graduate course following a (usually) 3 year Bachelor's degree. After this a Newly Qualified Teacher year involves some further Professional Development while working in a first teaching post. At present there is encouragement for teachers to take part time master's degrees but this is not compulsory.
Primary school teachers need a or a PGCE with a degree in a National curriculum subject and an English and Maths GCSE (A-C) or equivalent (again as far as I know).
Correct, Northwest. And all teachers have ongoing continual professional development and training, to update them on new curricula, policies etc.
There are different ways into teaching, such as the Graduate Training Programme, but they still demand a level of expertise/competence equivalent to the 'normal' degree.
And Kent, if you're not even sure what a primary teaching degree entails - how can you possibly say we don't have the skills or knowledge to deliver SRE?

2 Mar 2010

What a fantastic article this is.
Read all of it and it certainly does not come across as a woman who knows nothing.

It sums up almost everything I have tried to say, but she puts it so much better.
I believe we ignore her words at our peril.

2 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
What a fantastic article this is.
Read all of it and it certainly does not come across as a woman who knows nothing.

It sums up almost everything I have tried to say, but she puts it so much better.
I believe we ignore her words at our peril.

And I beieve different - she's a one time lefty and feminist who's taken the Daily Heil's shilling. If you think the fact that the Daily Heil pays her a fortune for writing tosh makes her an expert on whatever she writes about this week, that's your choice.

2 Mar 2010

You believe whatever rubbish you want too...she seems to me to be a Mother and someone with a bit of common sense.
You can run down the Mail as often as you like but when you do, you are more concerned with slagging the paper off, than answering the contents of the link.
IF you cannot see that what she writes is pure common sense, then no wonder so many kids get pregnant.
The way things are being done at the moment is NOT working, but you obviously think everything is wonderful on planet Zanussi. lol

You must be one of the :lol: :lol:
Maybe just maybe the Beano is for you after all. wink

2 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
You believe whatever rubbish you want too...she seems to me to be a Mother and someone with a bit of common sense.
You can run down the Mail as often as you like but when you do, you are more concerned with slagging the paper off, than answering the contents of the link.
IF you cannot see that what she writes is pure common sense, then no wonder so many kids get pregnant.
The way things are being done at the moment is NOT working, but you obviously think everything is wonderful on planet Zanussi.
You must be one of the :lol: :lol:
Maybe just maybe the Beano is for you after all.

Yeah.
You're right.
It's all my fault.
You've persuaded me.
Because Yasmin Alibhai Brown is a mum. So she must be right. Can you imagine how the world would be. 'Jesus, come in, it's tea time.'
'But mum, the disciples need me.'
'I'm a mum Jesus, I'm always right.'
'Sorry mum...'

2 Mar 2010

Quote by awayman
You believe whatever rubbish you want too...she seems to me to be a Mother and someone with a bit of common sense.
You can run down the Mail as often as you like but when you do, you are more concerned with slagging the paper off, than answering the contents of the link.
IF you cannot see that what she writes is pure common sense, then no wonder so many kids get pregnant.
The way things are being done at the moment is NOT working, but you obviously think everything is wonderful on planet Zanussi.
You must be one of the :lol: :lol:
Maybe just maybe the Beano is for you after all.

Yeah.
You're right.
It's all my fault.
You've persuaded me.
Because Yasmin Alibhai Brown is a mum. So she must be right. Can you imagine how the world would be. 'Jesus, come in, it's tea time.'
'But mum, the disciples need me.'
'I'm a mum Jesus, I'm always right.'
'Sorry mum...'
Now at last your getting it. :lol:
Praise the Lord. :wink:

2 Mar 2010

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! ...... hold the phone!!!!!
YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN ........ she's not an immigrant is she? :huh:

Alibhai-Brown's mother was born in East Africa and her father moved there from India in the 1920s. Born into the Ugandan Asian community in Kampala in 1949

(sourced from Wikipedia so probably open to challenge :lol2: ).
It's funny, I always pictured the Daily Mail offices as being staffed by blond-haired, blue-eyed, muscle-bound folks ..... and that was just the women. dunno

Live and learn I guess. :lol2:
Oh and apologies to the OP for dragging the thread off-topic again. redface

2 Mar 2010

Quote by easy
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! ...... hold the phone!!!!!
YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN ........ she's not an immigrant is she? :huh:

It's OK, she's one of OUR immigrants. And she's a mum as well. And she's got that most uncommon thing, common sense.

2 Mar 2010

Quote by easy
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! ...... hold the phone!!!!!
YASMIN ALIBHAI-BROWN ........ she's not an immigrant is she? :huh:
Alibhai-Brown's mother was born in East Africa and her father moved there from India in the 1920s. Born into the Ugandan Asian community in Kampala in 1949

(sourced from Wikipedia so probably open to challenge :lol2: ).
It's funny, I always pictured the Daily Mail offices as being staffed by blond-haired, blue-eyed, muscle-bound folks ..... and that was just the women. dunno

Live and learn I guess. :lol2:
Oh and apologies to the OP for dragging the thread off-topic again. redface

It is nice for a topic to have a wide range of ermmm.......opinions. lol

2 Mar 2010

This programme, costing more than £5million, focussed on groups of sexually active young girls who were considered most at risk of getting pregnant.
The girls were given intensive health education and free condoms in the hope that this would enable them to avoid unprotected sex.
Apparently, similar projects in New York had effectively cut down the number of teen mums. Not so here. Alarmingly, significantly more girls on the course got pregnant than those not on the programme.
In other words, the costly scheme achieved the very opposite of what it had set out to do.

There aren't any pregnancy rates given for the target group in that article. All we are told is that a group that was considered a higher risk of pregnancy actually achieved a higher rate than the group that was less at risk. Is that so surprising even with the intervention programme?
If the rates dropped below the expected figures then it can be seen as a success.
Did the pregnancy rate of the target group fall below what was expected before the intervention, stay the same or rise - we haven't been told so the article is meaningless until we are given the figures. It's opinion rather than fact - it might be news to some but there is a difference between the two.

3 Mar 2010

education schemducation. People seem to think kids are ignorant. they are educated, they are making choices and decisions now. they don't want kids when they are 50, after 30 years of being shafted by a corporation, exploited and exhausted. they have seen too much of that already.

3 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
What a fantastic article this is.
Read all of it and it certainly does not come across as a woman who knows nothing.

It sums up almost everything I have tried to say, but she puts it so much better.
I believe we ignore her words at our peril.

Having just read this article, I feel it does make a lot of sense, obviously the current method is failing, so we need another approach. May be the government should approach our travelling fraternity, the Gipsy's manage to educate their children not have sex, at all before marriage!
I think the current climate of, "TARGETS", is so unhelpful. Targets for hospitals, police, education, and none are achieving any thing.
In my humble view, we need a whole new approach!

3 Mar 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
What a fantastic article this is.
Read all of it and it certainly does not come across as a woman who knows nothing.

It sums up almost everything I have tried to say, but she puts it so much better.
I believe we ignore her words at our peril.

Having just read this article, I feel it does make a lot of sense, obviously the current method is failing, so we need another approach. May be the government should approach our travelling fraternity, the Gipsy's manage to educate their children not have sex, at all before marriage!
I think the current climate of, "TARGETS", is so unhelpful. Targets for hospitals, police, education, and none are achieving any thing.
In my humble view, we need a whole new approach!
How is it failing when teen pregnanvy rated are falling?
not sure that a return to values of near ownership of daughters,total intolerance of homosexuality and adult women having to hide the fact they were on cotraception would help really blue.
I agree Kaz, not sure, I or the article, advocate that either.
Having said that, I feel stronger family values would help in this modern world. I feel this government does not support married family life anywhere near enough, in fact would go so far as to say it punishes family life and helps promote single parent hood.
Like the article states, sex education is not what we need, particularly for 5 year olds for feck sake. What is needed is moral guidance and family values.
I do not have to look very far from where I live to see a, young, single, Grandmother, her daughter and a granddaughter, who will, very soon, be travelling down the same path.
I actually don’t care a great deal about teenage pregnancy, what I do care about is the tax payers money which is used to keep the mother and child, a job the Father should be doing