Sex education should be compulsory

3 Mar 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I agree Kaz, not sure, I or the article, advocate that either.
Having said that, I feel stronger family values would help in this modern world. I feel this government does not support married family life anywhere near enough, in fact would go so far as to say it punishes family life and helps promote single parent hood.
Like the article states, sex education is not what we need, particularly for 5 year olds for feck sake. What is needed is moral guidance and family values.
I do not have to look very far from where I live to see a, young, single, Grandmother, her daughter and a granddaughter, who will, very soon, be travelling down the same path.
I actually don’t care a great deal about teenage pregnancy, what I do care about is the tax payers money which is used to keep the mother and child, a job the Father should be doing

Surely they should be keeping themselves? Is it still the male's 'job' to pay the bills and the female's 'job' to be a housewife? Oh, I do hope we are beyond that particular bit of neanderthal paternalistic/slavery thinking. If a person expects to have food on the table - shouldn't they expect to work for it? OK we have a child in the mix here, but we also have at least 2 fully grown adults. One of them can work full time and the other can work part-time. The location of their reproductive organs should not the be the deciding factor in who goes out to work. A father to the child is a great thing - a male role-model etc (and the father is out there somewhere missing out on his child too) - but an ethos of working for what you want is really what is missing in so many lives.

3 Mar 2010

Quote by foxylady2209

I agree Kaz, not sure, I or the article, advocate that either.
Having said that, I feel stronger family values would help in this modern world. I feel this government does not support married family life anywhere near enough, in fact would go so far as to say it punishes family life and helps promote single parent hood.
Like the article states, sex education is not what we need, particularly for 5 year olds for feck sake. What is needed is moral guidance and family values.
I do not have to look very far from where I live to see a, young, single, Grandmother, her daughter and a granddaughter, who will, very soon, be travelling down the same path.
I actually don't care a great deal about teenage pregnancy, what I do care about is the tax payers money which is used to keep the mother and child, a job the Father should be doing

Surely they should be keeping themselves? Is it still the male's 'job' to pay the bills and the female's 'job' to be a housewife? Oh, I do hope we are beyond that particular bit of neanderthal paternalistic/slavery thinking. If a person expects to have food on the table - shouldn't they expect to work for it? OK we have a child in the mix here, but we also have at least 2 fully grown adults. One of them can work full time and the other can work part-time. The location of their reproductive organs should not the be the deciding factor in who goes out to work. A father to the child is a great thing - a male role-model etc (and the father is out there somewhere missing out on his child too) - but an ethos of working for what you want is really what is missing in so many lives.
I agree they should keep them selves, but so very many are not and can not.
I feel you may be taking what I have said out of context, or I was not clear. I did not mean to say that it must be the man who earns the money, frankly I do care which one. A single parent will find it difficult to earn money, unless family can look after the child, but a couple can provide.
Your argument about having two full grown parents works only if the female knows who the farther is, and if he is willing to work. When I met my wife she had a 5 year old daughter, her Father has paid £5 pounds towards her in the last 9 years. The CSA can get no money out of him

3 Mar 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I agree they should keep them selves, but so very many are not and can not.
I feel you may be taking what I have said out of context, or I was not clear. I did not mean to say that it must be the man who earns the money, frankly I do care which one. A single parent will find it difficult to earn money, unless family can look after the child, but a couple can provide.
Your argument about having two full grown parents works only if the female knows who the farther is, and if he is willing to work. When I met my wife she had a 5 year old daughter, her Father has paid £5 pounds towards her in the last 9 years. The CSA can get no money out of him

Sorry, bit of a sop-box day today.
My example of the 2 adults was taken from your post - the grandmother and daughter and a grand-daughter. In that situation I would expect at least that the 2 adult women would have a part-time job each and preferably one of them would work full time.
<winds neck in>

3 Mar 2010

Quote by foxylady2209

I agree they should keep them selves, but so very many are not and can not.
I feel you may be taking what I have said out of context, or I was not clear. I did not mean to say that it must be the man who earns the money, frankly I do care which one. A single parent will find it difficult to earn money, unless family can look after the child, but a couple can provide.
Your argument about having two full grown parents works only if the female knows who the farther is, and if he is willing to work. When I met my wife she had a 5 year old daughter, her Father has paid £5 pounds towards her in the last 9 years. The CSA can get no money out of him

Sorry, bit of a sop-box day today.
My example of the 2 adults was taken from your post - the grandmother and daughter and a grand-daughter. In that situation I would expect at least that the 2 adult women would have a part-time job each and preferably one of them would work full time.
<winds neck in>
Oh, thats ok then, I was beginning to think it was beat up Bluefish day lol

Yes you would think so, but no, it all get complicated. The granmother does have a part time job, the daughter however has now been moved into another house of her own with her two kids. Sadly the only job the mother has is getting herself out of bed, and now that she lives alone will find it much harder to get a job even if she wanted one

3 Mar 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
What a fantastic article this is.
Read all of it and it certainly does not come across as a woman who knows nothing.

It sums up almost everything I have tried to say, but she puts it so much better.
I believe we ignore her words at our peril.

Having just read this article, I feel it does make a lot of sense, obviously the current method is failing, so we need another approach. May be the government should approach our travelling fraternity, the Gipsy's manage to educate their children not have sex, at all before marriage!
I think the current climate of, "TARGETS", is so unhelpful. Targets for hospitals, police, education, and none are achieving any thing.
In my humble view, we need a whole new approach!
How is it failing when teen pregnanvy rated are falling?
not sure that a return to values of near ownership of daughters,total intolerance of homosexuality and adult women having to hide the fact they were on cotraception would help really blue.
I agree Kaz, not sure, I or the article, advocate that either.
Having said that, I feel stronger family values would help in this modern world. I feel this government does not support married family life anywhere near enough, in fact would go so far as to say it punishes family life and helps promote single parent hood.
Like the article states, sex education is not what we need, particularly for 5 year olds for feck sake. What is needed is moral guidance and family values.
I do not have to look very far from where I live to see a, young, single, Grandmother, her daughter and a granddaughter, who will, very soon, be travelling down the same path.
I actually don’t care a great deal about teenage pregnancy, what I do care about is the tax payers money which is used to keep the mother and child, a job the Father should be doing
Considering the death of a great man today im wondering how many of our problems would be solved if the government believed full employment should be one of there major goals
Who is that then? lol

6 Mar 2010

Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

6 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

Where did Kaz say that it happened in a corridor?
I'd definitely be speaking to the school about it Kaz. I would have said that the question was a reasonable one, and it's one that I would answer in primary shool if asked.

6 Mar 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

Where did Kaz say that it happened in a corridor?
I'd definitely be speaking to the school about it Kaz. I would have said that the question was a reasonable one, and it's one that I would answer in primary shool if asked.
She did not....I did.
Plus spelling Fb..........tut tut. wink

6 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

Where did Kaz say that it happened in a corridor?
I'd definitely be speaking to the school about it Kaz. I would have said that the question was a reasonable one, and it's one that I would answer in primary shool if asked.
She did not....I did.
Plus spelling Fb..........tut tut. wink

Why would you assume that the conversation/lesson took place in a corridor? Presumably the sex education lesson was being conducted in a classroom, so the school nurse was in fact in the correct place anyway. Your post is a little confusing actually.
And where would you like to start about spelling mistakes, Kent? :wink:

6 Mar 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

Where did Kaz say that it happened in a corridor?
I'd definitely be speaking to the school about it Kaz. I would have said that the question was a reasonable one, and it's one that I would answer in primary shool if asked.
She did not....I did.
Plus spelling Fb..........tut tut. wink

Why would you assume that the conversation/lesson took place in a corridor? Presumably the sex education lesson was being conducted in a classroom, so the school nurse was in fact in the correct place anyway. Your post is a little confusing actually.
And where would you like to start about spelling mistakes, Kent? :wink:
Well I am a printer FB.....not a teacher.
Feel free to attack my spelling mistakes as often as you like. It is more a case of fingers trying to be a bit too quick.
Now teacher...........how do you spell skool again? :wink:

6 Mar 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Maybe the school nurse decided she could not just go about telling children this, and that it had to be talked about in the classroom?
It is not dark age attitudes, it is called being sensible and acting in a logical manner.
The classroom is the proper place to discuss such things, not in a corridor.
The nurse who is I presume much more qualified than you in these matters, obviously felt that was not the time or the place.
As this is a sensitive subject it has to be done sensibly and at the correct time, or are you saying the nurse was wrong not to discuss it?
Take it up with the school if you think it was. Am sure the Headteacher will enlighten you as to how the school go about such matters.

Where did Kaz say that it happened in a corridor?
I'd definitely be speaking to the school about it Kaz. I would have said that the question was a reasonable one, and it's one that I would answer in primary shool if asked.
She did not....I did
Plus spelling Fb..........tut tut. wink

Why would you assume that the conversation/lesson took place in a corridor? Presumably the sex education lesson was being conducted in a classroom, so the school nurse was in fact in the correct place anyway. Your post is a little confusing actually.
And where would you like to start about spelling mistakes, Kent? :wink:
As freckle said this was in the classroom,i started my post saying this was the talk on puberty all year five get at my lads middle school,i think that means it was exactly the correct time and place.
Im not going to take it up soley cos we spend enough time on the phone over other matters,but i am glad we have taught the lad there is nothing dirty or embarrasing about sex
Now why do I believe you completely on that? I bet the school are more than familiar with you. lol

:lol:
No point coming on a forum complaining and then not taking it up with the skool. :lol:

6 Mar 2010

" assume nothing ".
Blimey you got some sort of bleeper system on your computer?
Or do you sit by it all the time, as ya answer anything and everything within about two seconds. lol

:lol:

7 Mar 2010

Post response times! rotflmao

Just check the response times of both & compare!
Kaz, kiss

FB... well, how very dare you make your fifth spelling mistake on-line in, oooh, about five years! Tut! lol

Anyway. Back to the matter in hand. Sex Ed is being taught whether anyone likes it or not.
Has one not seen music videos? Or magazines with a 'position of the fortnight' or problem pages? Mates with older siblings. The internet. Get real. Kids are taught about sex/sexuality all the time from the things/people around them, subliminally or directly. A lot of that information is partial, incorrect, fleeting or glamorised.
Short of putting them in an isolated cardboard box until they are 21 the information will get in there regardless of whether you want it to or not.
So, in that case, seeing as our kids are going to get information anyway, might as well make sure that information is accurate, balanced and complete.
Make sure the information is correct so then our young people aren't done a disservice by allowing them to think they can't get pregnant standing up, they can't get pregnant in the shower, they can't get pregnant the first time, they can't get pregnant by being poked in the belly button, that babies come from storks on doorsteps.
:kiss: LG. x

7 Mar 2010

I think that whilst sex is likely to manifest itself in the lives of children, it tends to be an occasional thing which passes by and comes around as if by chance. It retains its 'innocence', which I think is appropriate for children. So it doesn't linger.
But to establish it at 5, might produce sensible kids, but they may well suffer from sexual frustration from an early age. This has never been necessary for any child.

7 Mar 2010

Quote by little gem
Post response times! Just check the response times of both & compare!
Kaz, FB... well, how very dare you make your fifth spelling mistake on-line in, oooh, about five years! Tut!
Anyway. Back to the matter in hand. Sex Ed is being taught whether anyone likes it or not.
Has one not seen music videos? Or magazines with a 'position of the fortnight' or problem pages? Mates with older siblings. The internet. Get real. Kids are taught about sex/sexuality all the time from the things/people around them, subliminally or directly. A lot of that information is partial, incorrect, fleeting or glamorised.
Short of putting them in an isolated cardboard box until they are 21 the information will get in there regardless of whether you want it to or not.
So, in that case, seeing as our kids are going to get information anyway, might as well make sure that information is accurate, balanced and complete.
Make sure the information is correct so then our young people aren't done a disservice by allowing them to think they can't get pregnant standing up, they can't get pregnant in the shower, they can't get pregnant the first time, they can't get pregnant by being poked in the belly button, that babies come from storks on doorsteps.
:kiss: LG. x

Unlike your good self...FB will have understood the humour in my comment.

7 Mar 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Post response times! Just check the response times of both & compare!
Kaz, FB... well, how very dare you make your fifth spelling mistake on-line in, oooh, about five years! Tut!
Anyway. Back to the matter in hand. Sex Ed is being taught whether anyone likes it or not.
Has one not seen music videos? Or magazines with a 'position of the fortnight' or problem pages? Mates with older siblings. The internet. Get real. Kids are taught about sex/sexuality all the time from the things/people around them, subliminally or directly. A lot of that information is partial, incorrect, fleeting or glamorised.
Short of putting them in an isolated cardboard box until they are 21 the information will get in there regardless of whether you want it to or not.
So, in that case, seeing as our kids are going to get information anyway, might as well make sure that information is accurate, balanced and complete.
Make sure the information is correct so then our young people aren't done a disservice by allowing them to think they can't get pregnant standing up, they can't get pregnant in the shower, they can't get pregnant the first time, they can't get pregnant by being poked in the belly button, that babies come from storks on doorsteps.
:kiss: LG. x

Unlike your good self...FB will have understood the humour in my comment.
Kent, Gem will have seen the humour.
I think it's actually about 20 mistakes now, if we include the spelling challenge thingy from years ago redface

:lol:

7 Mar 2010

Give yourself a 100 lines FB...
Must try harder. wink

Can you try harder FB? lol

31 Mar 2010

I have considered this matter in some depth and having listened to the opinions expressed have decided that we as a society must take every step to keep any information about sex away from our children for as long a s possible.

5 Apr 2010

Ok I really hate this subject on sex education. I am a youth worker and just as teachers, when we do sex ed sessions we have to follow a 'script' for want of a better word and I hate it because what we are teaching our children and young people is so wrong !!!
As the appropriate adults we are to tell our children and young people that we should only have sex when we are in a safe, loving and secure relationship. Yeah tell that to a 15 yr old girl who truly believes they are in love with an 18 yr old boy who we all know only wants his 15yr old girlfriend to have a quick grope on a park bench somewhere. I once had a fantastic guy come and do a sex ed session in my youth club once and he totally changed my outlook on the whole issue. Basically the way we should be teaching our younger generation is yes of course being in a safe, secure and loving relationship before having sex is fantastic, but with the pregnancy rates so high and the higher rates of STI's. shouldnt we be more proactive in encouraging safe sex. Too many teenagers are having '1 night stands' in today's society and unfortunately I really dont think we can stop that, but lets work to prevent the consequences and be open and honest with the kids.
As to what age we shhould be discussing sex with our children I'm sitting on the fence. As a mother of 4 (3 boys 12, 7 and 5 and a daughter, 10), I'll discuss it with them when they are ready and none of them are yet...ok maybe my 12 year old but there a birds fly and bees sting issue there so he has to talk to his dad or my ex boyfriend coz we always burst out laughing with each other (long story lol)

5 Apr 2010

There is another dimension to this one. I believe that sex education in schools deals with the "Science" of the matter - but there's also the social skills that's needed to get to that situation!
Plim :sad:

5 Apr 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
There is another dimension to this one. I believe that sex education in schools deals with the "Science" of the matter - but there's also the social skills that's needed to get to that situation!
Plim :sad:

plim , the science is only one aspect,and there is equal emphasis on developing the maturity and awareness kids need
Ah, things are better then than in my days as a parent of young people.
Plim :thumbup:

5 Apr 2010

Quote by Plimboy
There is another dimension to this one. I believe that sex education in schools deals with the "Science" of the matter - but there's also the social skills that's needed to get to that situation!
Plim :sad:

plim , the science is only one aspect,and there is equal emphasis on developing the maturity and awareness kids need
Ah, things are better then than in my days as a parent of young people.
Plim :thumbup:
Sex education at my (grammar school for gels) school consisted entrirely of drawing the reproductive organs of a rabbit. Of course, the fact that one of the girls studying it was already pregnant was studiously ignored by the staff. It was utterly pathetic and it was in the 80's ffs! My son's was far better, but we were discussing it at home too.

5 Apr 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
There is another dimension to this one. I believe that sex education in schools deals with the "Science" of the matter - but there's also the social skills that's needed to get to that situation!
Plim :sad:

plim , the science is only one aspect,and there is equal emphasis on developing the maturity and awareness kids need
Ah, things are better then than in my days as a parent of young people.
Plim :thumbup:
Sex education at my (grammar school for gels) school consisted entrirely of drawing the reproductive organs of a rabbit. Of course, the fact that one of the girls studying it was already pregnant was studiously ignored by the staff. It was utterly pathetic and it was in the 80's ffs! My son's was far better, but we were discussing it at home too.
That may well be the case but............were the pregnancy rates not lower then?
I think suprisingly enough they were, which begs the question can too much information be a good thing?
Not into todays Britain where we have the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the Western world.................sorry but a fact.

5 Apr 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
There is another dimension to this one. I believe that sex education in schools deals with the "Science" of the matter - but there's also the social skills that's needed to get to that situation!
Plim :sad:

plim , the science is only one aspect,and there is equal emphasis on developing the maturity and awareness kids need
Ah, things are better then than in my days as a parent of young people.
Plim :thumbup:
Sex education at my (grammar school for gels) school consisted entrirely of drawing the reproductive organs of a rabbit. Of course, the fact that one of the girls studying it was already pregnant was studiously ignored by the staff. It was utterly pathetic and it was in the 80's ffs! My son's was far better, but we were discussing it at home too.
That may well be the case but............were the pregnancy rates not lower then?
I think suprisingly enough they were, which begs the question can too much information be a good thing?
Not into todays Britain where we have the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the Western world.................sorry but a fact.
So is that fact that Denmark has MORE sex education and a LOWER pregnancy rate. So maybe it's the quality of information and not the amount. Or maybe it's something else - like an expectation that parents take responsiblity for their offspring's behaviour and that the youndgsters are encouraged to have self-respect. That's the real respect not the knuckle-touching, 'yo dude' respc' crap you see on TV.
Seriously you think that more information is a bad thing? Really?

5 Apr 2010

Yes I do on occasion.
Are you denying our pregnancy rates in the uk?

5 Apr 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Yes I do on occasion.
Are you denying our pregnancy rates in the uk?

No. Are you denying them elsewhere?

5 Apr 2010

With all the money spent and all the sex education they are getting now, the Governments own figures will fall far short of what they were trying to accomplish.
Hardly a success story........... is it?