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Sex education should be compulsory

I'm totally with you on this one Kaz. You only have to look at the teenage pregnancy statistics to see that whatever form of sex education we have now does not work.
My daughter has received sex education at school from the age of 8/9 and both my ex and I will answer all her questions as honestly as we can....and at 13 she can ask some questions redface
Maybe we should just teach them that sex outside marriage is a mortal sin: at least that would slow-down the teenage pregnancy rate. :twisted:
I have no problem with sex education being taught in schools. What I object to is the age some want to start teaching it.
Some want 5 year olds to start learning, which I think is way too young.
By all means brush over the " basics " in primary schools, but just the basics.
When they hit secondary school then that is the perfect age to start teaching them.
I cannot understand at all why some parents would not want their 15 year olds being taught it at school. At school they will be taught properly, by people that have been trained to teach it.
This has been talked about before on here and my feelings towards teaching very young children about sex, is wrong. My Grandaughter is 7 and I think she is far too young to be taught the fundamentals of sex. Yes she knows where a baby comes from because at that age they ask questions, but I think at that age it should be left up to the parents to give them the answers, that a child of that age will understand as they know their own child.
At a school kids of that age are like chalk and cheese as to what information they can take on board, but a teacher would be teaching them all the same things. Leave it up to the parents until they start secondary school.
I think Government officials should keep their noses out of things like this where very young kids are concerned, and let the parents do what they are supposed to do......parent!!
A fifteen year old should be well capable of taking such information on board and forming an opinion. I have five kids and there is no way I would trust any schoolteacher to educate my under 15's about sex though. That is the job of a responsible parent, even moreso both responsible parents.
I will not take a chance on a school teacher not having an agenda, and not relishing an easy opportunity to influence young children, and promote alternative lifestyles as being preferable to straight. More worrying would be having a government department telling me that they have vetted them in order to prevent paedophiles from being able to groom them.
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I'm totally with you on this one Kaz. You only have to look at the teenage pregnancy statistics to see that whatever form of sex education we have now does not work.
My daughter has received sex education at school from the age of 8/9 and both my ex and I will answer all her questions as honestly as we can....and at 13 she can ask some questions redface

our lads best question, can i see the hole the baby comes out of!!!!!!!! surprisedops: :oops:
to which you replied? :shock: biggrin
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I have no problem with sex education being taught in schools. What I object to is the age some want to start teaching it.
Some want 5 year olds to start learning, which I think is way too young.
By all means brush over the " basics " in primary schools, but just the basics.
When they hit secondary school then that is the perfect age to start teaching them.
I cannot understand at all why some parents would not want their 15 year olds being taught it at school. At school they will be taught properly, by people that have been trained to teach it.
This has been talked about before on here and my feelings towards teaching very young children about sex, is wrong. My Grandaughter is 7 and I think she is far too young to be taught the fundamentals of sex. Yes she knows where a baby comes from because at that age they ask questions, but I think at that age it should be left up to the parents to give them the answers, that a child of that age will understand as they know their own child.
At a school kids of that age are like chalk and cheese as to what information they can take on board, but a teacher would be teaching them all the same things. Leave it up to the parents until they start secondary school.
I think Government officials should keep their noses out of things like this where very young kids are concerned, and let the parents do what they are supposed to do......parent!!

You're missing something though Kent. What of kids like myself- who's parents were so inhibited that I didn't even know what a period was? The day I started menstruating was the day my mother first mentioned them to me- she handed me some towels & said "your things have started. Don't tell your father or your brother" That was it.
I wasn't "allowed" a boyfriend until I was 18. The merest hint of a kiss on TV & the TV was turned over. I was "opted out" of the (laughable) sex ed classes at my Catholic school. I went to one of them though- taken by my RE teacher who pointed out that married people had intercourse. Other people burned in hell.
What happens to the kids who's parents try to shield them from the world- and from growing up- who end up listening to stuff in the playground and being wrongly informed?
I understand that Witchy but nowadays kids, or should I say girls are taught about periods in primary school and rightly so.
Boys are excluded from those lessons where it is about periods, to save the giggles maybe? That is how it was in mrs777's Daughters school.
I do not mean to be rude but your parents seemed to have very Victorian rules with regards to sex, as did my parents to a degree. None of us could even mention the sex word to our Father without him wanting to move swiftly on.
I am just worried about teaching kids of a very impressionable age, the workings of sex.
Plus as Brighton I think said, some teachers COULD have other agendas. There should be VERY clear and acceptable guidelines laid down, about what they can teach.
IF my Grandaughter asks me a question I try and answer it in a way that she will understand without going into all the mechanics. I believe at 7 she is too young for many topics with regards to sex, but I agree that some things could be taught to her....everything has to be balanced, but I do believe that most parents if they wanted to should be allowed to opt out and explain it to their kids, in a way they think THEIR kids will understand and take on board.
A tricky subject and my worries lay with the people who could teach these kids. Clear guidelines for parents and kids is the way forward with the choice of withdrawing if the parents decide that is the best way for their kids.
The powers that be seem to want to take away basic powers from parents and pass them to other bodies, I do not agree with that per se.
In an ideal world, all parents would give their children age appropriate sex education- but my parents didn't. I needed it- and didn't get it. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Teaching kids the mechanics of sex helps demistify it. Our nine year old knows the mechanics and thinks it's "ewww." A nine year old who just saw it as this big mystery that grown up's go on and on about...this aspirational thing...this glamorous thing...might think differently. Then again, they might not.
The thing is- hormones will kick in regardless of when a child gets sex ed. Some youngsters will act upon their raging feelings. Some won't. If they know how to make it safer before they start experimenting- they're undoubtedly better off for it.
Oh, and the Victorians were ravers compared to my parents. rolleyes
TBH I learned the err "ins and outs" when I was about nine, not from schoolteachers but from what other older kids told me. I then very tactfully (lol) asked my mum, who I admit did get a little embarased but made a very good attempt at telling me about it. She wasn't overly impressed when I laughed and said I already knew. lol
Thank Ye Gods that I didn't have to learn this at school. I remember our social studies teacher, old Mervin, or Mothballs as we used to call him. He had so many stains on the front of his trowsers we used to say he had mothballs in his pockets. Don't ask me why mothballs, kids had started that years before I attended the school. But I really wouldn't like to have been taught the facts of life by someone like him!
Maybe it is some of the parents who need a little extra curicular sex education so that they can talk to their children properly.
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Plus as Brighton I think said, some teachers COULD have other agendas. There should be VERY clear and acceptable guidelines laid down, about what they can teach.

Teachers already have this: it is called the national curriculum.
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Plus as Brighton I think said, some teachers COULD have other agendas. There should be VERY clear and acceptable guidelines laid down, about what they can teach.

Teachers already have this: it is called the national curriculum.
Which according to a teacher I know, they change on a regular basis.
There lies my worry.
are teachers actually trained in how to teach sex education ?
if so then how would parents find out what they are told to say in this teaching ?
just curious smile
a friend of mine is doing a one year degree to then be a teacher
she already has a degree
im not much up on the right words to use but it means that once she has finished this year she can then teach secondary age children
she has had to choose what subjects she will then teach
after looking at the choices she asked how she could teach about subjects she doesnt know much about, she was told she can teach what she got her first degree in and anything else to google it !!!!
does this mean that teachers dont recieve any training about how to teach children about sex ?
im sure theres ongoing training tho, hope so anyway :)

As I have already stated JTS, they do a Henry V111th and change the rules to suit whatever they think is right, at any given time.
They have all of a sudden changed the coursework,so it is no longer part of the exam progress, when a few years ago it was the best thing ever in helping kids get good results.
Sats were introduced as they thought it was the greatest thing for a school ever, now they are scrapping them. One good idea today seems to be a rubbish one next year.
They change things around all the time, and the sex education would be no different.
I am worried that what they start out with in regard to this new teaching, will change so as to appease the parents who have doubts now.
Softly softly approach to start with, pacify the parents now, and then when all quite change the rules.
They have done it before and will do it again.
I do NOT want to see four to nine year olds being taught sex education in infant or primary schools, by teachers most of the time, just about out of nappies themselves. That is not a dig at the teachers but in primary schools I certainly do not think teachers per se, are equipped to teach it.
Over nine I would say is the perfect age for most, and then secondary school is where the proper teaching should start by experts in that field.
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As I have already stated JTS, they do a Henry V111th and change the rules to suit whatever they think is right, at any given time.
They have all of a sudden changed the coursework,so it is no longer part of the exam progress, when a few years ago it was the best thing ever in helping kids get good results.
Sats were introduced as they thought it was the greatest thing for a school ever, now they are scrapping them. One good idea today seems to be a rubbish one next year.
They change things around all the time, and the sex education would be no different.
I am worried that what they start out with in regard to this new teaching, will change so as to appease the parents who have doubts now.
Softly softly approach to start with, pacify the parents now, and then when all quite change the rules.
They have done it before and will do it again.
I do NOT want to see four to nine year olds being taught sex education in infant or primary schools, by teachers most of the time, just about out of nappies themselves. That is not a dig at the teachers but in primary schools I certainly do not think teachers per se, are equipped to teach it.
Over nine I would say is the perfect age for most, and then secondary school is where the proper teaching should start by experts in that field.

What like from people in the sex industry? rolleyes
So what is deemed an expert,someone whose been around the block a few times,someone who studied it University,you know someone just out of nappies or how about we get swingers in...i mean we must be the most experienced and mature and most sensible to teach the kids, obviously!!
I would think Powers that a lot of people would think swingers are morally corrupt. We are a group of people that like having sex with others. That may well constitute an " expert " opinion on sex, but hardly good teachings to kids about sex. Morally corrupt is a term I heard about swingers about two years ago on a radio programme, I thought it was a bit harsh but maybe that is what people outside of the scene think?
So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.
There is an organisation for picking ya nose nowadays, so must be one that can teach kids about sex.
Yes I suppose a biology teacher at secondary school could, and no doubt does. I do not know.
People who are deemed to be impartial, who have no hidden agendas, and that has had the training and possesses the skills required. Maybe someone on here could enlighten us as to if there is a body out there, who either could do this, or does do this.
I know they will say teachers but I still do NOT think primary school teachers have that knowledge, maybe I am wrong.
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I would think Powers that a lot of people would think swingers are morally corrupt. We are a group of people that like having sex with others. That may well constitute an " expert " opinion on sex, but hardly good teachings to kids about sex. Morally corrupt is a term I heard about swingers about two years ago on a radio programme, I thought it was a bit harsh but maybe that is what people outside of the scene think?
So who ARE the people who can teach the kids?
Well certainly not just a teacher out of Uni, but I would say someone to come in from outside the school.
There is an organisation for picking ya nose nowadays, so must be one that can teach kids about sex.
Yes I suppose a biology teacher at secondary school could, and no doubt does. I do not know.
People who are deemed to be impartial, who have no hidden agendas, and that has had the training and possesses the skills required. Maybe someone on here could enlighten us as to if there is a body out there, who either could do this, or does do this.
I know they will say teachers but I still do NOT think primary school teachers have that knowledge, maybe I am wrong.

People from outside schools already do that...my friend is a nurse not a teacher...and she teaches sex education in schools...and another thing why would a Uni grad be any less experienced then someone in the 30's,40's or 50's...sometimes having your youth on your side can work for you as your closer to the age of the kids you are teaching it to, than that of your parents age!
I think the main argument with regards to sex education is more about when than if. There has been much speculation about this, especially when the law was changed and clause 28 was deleted from the statute book. If we could leave aside the arguments about whether children should be taught about homosexuality please, I would rather not be involved in any of that. However the months leading up to that change on our legal system did bring sex education to the front of many political debate. Unfortunately once it was over the whole thing was more or less forgotten. Then parents started reporting inapropriate literature being given to children as young as five in some schools. IMHO I wouldn't care if the books my children were given at school were about gay sex or straight, both would be totally unacceptable at such a young age.
If a kid manages to reach age 15 without his or her parents teaching him or her about the birds and the bees, then there should be someone there for them to talk to, this could be detected durring routine safe sex and contraceptive lessons being taught at around that time at school. Young adults should not be cut lose while still confused about their sexuality, but that dosn't mean that they should have been mad aware of it when they are still in short pants climbing trees.
Please! Our children are growing up too fast as it is, let them be children FFS!!
None of us ever get that chance again.
BG.
I think Brighton we are on a hiding to nothing here.
The arguemets will always be that kids should be taught it at the earliest possible age, and try to use the arguement about under 16's and the pregnancy rates for that age group, and much younger.
The reasons that they want to start teaching about sex at such a young age, is the world we now live in.
Kids WILL ask questions about where babies come from, and their little willies, and why has his Sister not got one, and all those other kinds of questions that I and every other parent will get asked.
It is the ability to be able to communicate with your child and explain to them in a way that child will understand.
I am glad Powers that people like nurses come in and are not affiliated with any particular school. I think that is a better idea, certainly where the younger kid is concerned.
It all sounds a bit to " hip hop " for me being the obvious old fashioned git that I obviously am, to fall into line with the Monday morning brigade, who think teaching kids as young as five about sex, is a great idea. Jeeze a lot of them at that age cannot even spell their own names, or tie their shoe laces, yet some would burden them with the mechanics of sex, in whatever way some jumped up Johny deems ok.
Well I most certainly would not have wanted MY five year old kids to be taught that. IF they wanted any answers, at that age as the parent, I would have given it to them.
Kids and innocence should go hand in hand, not to try and use that as some underhanded excuse, for what will be no doubt another failed exercise, and in five years time saying they will now change things, as it was not a good idea. I have seen it happen in the past, and will see it again in the future.
Let kids be kids for a little bit longer eh?
How do people feel about Peer Education (outside school)? We had young people from 13 yrs old upwards running sex education sessions with us. It worked great!
I think the developement of the body as in human biology should be taught at primary school with parents aware of whats being taught to. But Sex education should wait until secondary school.
Although I have answered all my childrens questions as they have asked, I really can not understand why they need to be shown two people having sex, be it a cartoon at the age of 10.
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How do people feel about Peer Education (outside school)? We had young people from 13 yrs old upwards running sex education sessions with us. It worked great!

I am speechless as to how that can be allowed to happen.
13 year olds giving sex education lessons, well I thank goodness they were not teaching my kids.
I was saying about experts teaching kids the mechanics, not another child.
Unbelievable.....sorry Anais but it is.
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How do people feel about Peer Education (outside school)? We had young people from 13 yrs old upwards running sex education sessions with us. It worked great!

I am speechless as to how that can be allowed to happen.
13 year olds giving sex education lessons, well I thank goodness they were not teaching my kids.
I was saying about experts teaching kids the mechanics, not another child.
Unbelievable.....sorry Anais but it is.
Its all done within government guild-lines and the young people who worked with us knew them off by heart smile We had access to nurses who also attended sessions when they could. Parents knew and consented and were extremely proud (as were the staff) of what they were doing. In fact parents learnt a thing or two from their children. Even better - cos there were high cases of Sti's amongst 40 yr olds at the time.
I think the best ones to educate young people are their peers! They can be more at ease with them and perhaps listen a bit more to what's being said in a less authoritative non-judgemental safe environment.
These kids could put a condom on (a wooden demonstration willy) expertly blind folded - how many here an do that? Cos I can't confused :?
An I bet my bottom dollar this particular young woman who is now 16 yrs old - isn't pregnant or even had sex! She's an astute young women with plenty of sense because of what she learnt then.
They also had their work accredited with the youth achievement awards - double achievement! They were really proud of themselves.
I must admit to not liking the idea of pre 10 year olds having sex education. I don't think its necessary. I also believe it puts another burden of responsibility on primary school teachers where it's not necessary to do so. When the child reaches secondary school age is when it's right in my mind to have a good integrated policy on sex ed including stuff on homosexuality etc, lets be honest we're living in the 21st century not the dark ages and its OK to be gay bi or straight and its not important to take issue with anyones sexuality but its important for it be recognised as a right.
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How do people feel about Peer Education (outside school)? We had young people from 13 yrs old upwards running sex education sessions with us. It worked great!

I am speechless as to how that can be allowed to happen.
13 year olds giving sex education lessons, well I thank goodness they were not teaching my kids.
I was saying about experts teaching kids the mechanics, not another child.
Unbelievable.....sorry Anais but it is.
why? sorry but in the real world children are having sex,they will not listen to biology teacher tell them mechanics,they need to learn self respect and how to say no,
this will not happen whilst the british are so prudish
telling the truth does not dystroy innocence,allowing our kids to fuck up with out guidence does

Ah but they will listen to another 13 year old?
These kinds of experiments are dangerous, and as the figures already show, it is NOT bringing down teenage pregnancy rates, they are rising again.
These kinds of experimants only serve one purpose.....the adult experts have either given up, or now decide that other kids ( children btw ) at 13 are old enough and responsible enough, to teach other kids about sex.
What a superb idea, I wish I would have thought about that one. I will be so glad when the Labour left are booted out next year, and some sense and sensibility can be restored.
I do not know what the right answers are, but teaching kids about sex by other kids, is like Peter Sutcliff being allowed to teach other inmates about how to be a decent person.....it makes no sensible sense at all....an experiment as they seem to have run out of other ideas to me it seems.
Whatever or however they are teaching kids now, the facts are teenage pregnancy is rising, and youngsters contracting sexual diseases are rising at an alarming rate. So something somewhere is obviously not working.
Still what do I know?
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These kinds of experiments are dangerous, and as the figures already show, it is NOT bringing down teenage pregnancy rates, they are rising again.

They are coming down in Nottinghamshire :smug:
Dave_Notts
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These kinds of experiments are dangerous, and as the figures already show, it is NOT bringing down teenage pregnancy rates, they are rising again.

They are coming down in Nottinghamshire :smug:
Dave_Notts
Its the water lol
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These kinds of experiments are dangerous, and as the figures already show, it is NOT bringing down teenage pregnancy rates, they are rising again.

They are coming down in Nottinghamshire :smug:
Dave_Notts
Its the water lol
Or investment in programmes to give the kids the facts dunno
Dave_Notts
I thought the ammount this Government were spending Davey has risen dramatically over the last decade?
It may well be coming down in Nottinghamshire, maybe in that city they have proper people teaching the kids?
Overall the figures are rising even after all the hype and money that has been spent.
Maybe a lot of the youth of today will not listen to anyone no matter what you say or do...jeeze a lot of kids will not listen to their parents ot their teachers, so why would they listen to anyone else?
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These kinds of experiments are dangerous, and as the figures already show, it is NOT bringing down teenage pregnancy rates, they are rising again.

They are coming down in Nottinghamshire :smug:
Dave_Notts
Its the water lol
Or investment in programmes to give the kids the facts dunno
Dave_Notts
Awwww Dave keep the myth alive for me :cry:
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