Luis Suarez a "disgrace" for refusing to shake Patrice Evra's hand before todays game ?
Yes
Having just watched the footage, then have to agree with the likes of Steve Claridge, who said
"It was a poor way to behave and he's made himself out to be a villain"
and Garth Crooks added,
"This has left a sour taste. Liverpool have had numerous opportunities to draw a line under this. Today was an opportunity to do it and they blew it. It's a real shame. I don't accept Kenny Dalglish saying he does not want to talk about it. What does that mean? Does he agree with it?"
PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor believes it could be fair to say the Respect campaign has been destroyed after Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra failed to shake hands at Old Trafford. (The programme was brought in by the Football Association in an attempt to address unacceptable behaviour in football from grassroots to elite level.)
All this set against Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish having said earlier in the week he expected Suarez to shake hands with Evra, which is a part of pre-match protocol under Respect.
Lets hope Liverpool FC now take action to resolve this
so what?
what did evra reely expect?
if anyone wants to take action against suarez over this rubbish, can anyone tell me as rio ferdinand then refused to shake his hand, will any action be taken against ferdinand? children's playground politics from so called adults who should know better :thumbup:
why is it that ferdinand continues to be at the front of a lot of this nonsense? obviusly runs in the family :twisted:
maybe now the players union will regret advising anton not to shake jt's hand when chelsea played qpr, which has only sparked further problems as all players were advised not to shake hands at that game.
one thing is obvious to me here though, how easy nonsense can get out of hand. where next i wonder?
Please tell me what is the difference between Suarez not shaking Evra's hand and Wayne Bridge not shaking John Terry's?
And why were QPR and Chelsea recently allowed not to shake hands before their match? Why was this not allowed in the Man U/Liverpool match.
There does seem to be one law for others and another law for Liverpool here.
Evra's own conduct today was also a disgrace and lets not forget that he initiated the verbals in the first match by making comments about Suarez's sister which resulted in Suarez's ban. Evra could have chosen to ignore Suarez refusing to shake his hand and just got on with the game. He chose not to.
The prime minister is to stage a summit on racism in football - various papers and new feeds
At a charity reception last month, Mr Cameron said: "Many of us will have been concerned by recent events. My message is clear. We will not tolerate racism in Britain."
"It has absolutely no place in our society. And where it exists, we will kick it out."
"Our football governing bodies, clubs and footballers themselves have a vital role to play as role models in this respect."
Whether this is political 'opportunism' or not, least raises the profile of the issue, lets hope he pushes for the existing Legislation to be enforced by the Police, Director Public Prosecutions, and the Courts rather than just for his usual photo-opportunities and column inches he's been so adept at over the last 18 months or so.
well...have to say do think suarez's actions were childish. If he could of just shaken his hand, as it seems he told his manager and the club, he would do, then a line would of been drawn under the situation. Its a stigma that will now haunt both himself and his club, all his time here.
I don't think the FA will take any action against him, as in reality, apart from acting little a spoilt little brat, he hasn't actually done anything technically wrong.
Evra's actions at the end were also silly and provocative. He had the all of the moral high ground until that point. He then showed himself to be equally silly. However it was noticable that Fergie in his interview, said although understandable, he did not condone the actions, and thought they were silly and wrong !! I just hope Liverpool football club and Kenny Dalglish now make a simular statement about Suarez.
In the end....the whole result of this is that the pre-match handshake, supposedly respect campaign, will now be scrapped. Football and the image of the English premier league is what is really tarnished here by these actions
This time Kenny Dalgleish has been embarrassed by Suarez and I doubt that will go down very well at all. It was said early on in this thread, or the other, that the "support" given to Suarez by his manager and team mates and those crazy t-shirts might ultimately come back to back Liverpool in the bum. I think that this "support" emboldened Suarez to behave like he did yesterday. I reckon that those t-shirts will be talked about in years to come as the turning point for Kenny Dalgleish - the moment his judgement catastrophically failed him.
Liverpool Football Club is being dragged through the gutter and their credibility under scrutiny all over the world. Kenny Dalgleish has been put in a terrible position now and something needs to happen to restore his authority. This may well be difficult given the unwavering support previously offered to Suarez.
Can't help but wonder if the modern, media focused world is a bit too much for Kenny Dalgleish? - His TV interviews have changed from cheery optimism 12 months ago to an almost hysterical seige mentality defensive attitude blaming everyone and everything around him. He is bigger and better than this and how he responds in the coming days will be telling for his future as manager at LFC.
Whether Suarez is to blame or the conspiracy theorists are right about Evra's "acting" it is all largely irrelevant because the perception all over the world is that Suarez has brought Liverpool Football Club, its manager, his team mates and a great, dignified history into disrepute.
It is shameful that in 2012 we can actually be talking about racism in any part of our society - let alone football
Sense at last:
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has today issued the following apology:
"I have spoken with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.
"I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.
"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.
"I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."
Followed by:
Liverpool Managing Director Ian Ayre has today released the following statement.
"We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday's game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so.
"He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his teammates and the Club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.
"Luis Suarez has now apologised for his actions which was the right thing to do. However, all of us have a duty to behave in a responsible manner and we hope that he now understands what is expected of anyone representing Liverpool Football Club."
all very honourable that too hot, but we all know it is not said with any conviction at all.
the owners of liverpool have decided to draw a line under it and made there feelings cleer to suarez and the manager.
on the surface suarez may well have said sorry as kenny has, but this will fester and bubble under the surface for a very long time to come.
being forced to do something has no real meenings at all.
do we also get an appology from evra for his behaviour at the end of the game as well? that would certainly be a start to those festering feelings being healed a bit so as it does not look all as one sided, as some seem to think.
I completely agree about your comments concerning Rio Ferdinand, he is hardly a paragon of virtue, the links you provide show clear evidence of that.
However, you say it is a family thing, and to be honest, Anton is nothing like Rio, I don't think for one second that Anton wanted to be in the middle of a race row, he strikes me as someone who just gets on with it, rather than Rio, who goes looking for it.
To be honest, I had forgotten that incident, and had made no attempts to do any search on him either. Thank you for putting me straight.
Me I am human, with all the traits of a human being, I have lied and done worse in my life, I don't think that makes me a particularly bad person, because I have lied in the past does not automatically mean I will always lie.
Who amongst us can say they have never lied or done something that with hindsight they would do differently if given the opportunity again.
Suarez does not have to like Evra, he simply has to represent his club in sport, sport, the word is important, in Britain, despite attempts to turn it political, to make it all about the money and nothing else, to use it as a weapon against others, despite all that, it is still sport. Suarez should have shook hands before the match, it would have benn an end to the whole incident and I for one would have respected him for it and forgotton about it for evermore. I understand he feels agreived (even though he did admit the incident that caused this, I suppose he feels he didn't mean it in a racist way and feels he has been punished for the wrong reasons)
Evra should not have made so much of the end of match celebrations, they were bound to make the situation worse even though I am sure he felt aggrieved to have offered the handshake only to be rebuked, I suppose we would all have done the same under the circumstances.
I believe Dalgliesh's reaction when told of the incident was annonyance with his player prompting an adverse reaction to the media when asked about it at the end of the match, the player had put him in an uncomfortable situation and one where he had not a prepared or thought about answer/reaction, being put on the spot can be very annoying.
All that said I commend the action since by Liverpool, Football club and Dalgliesh for thier appology, I believe and hope that this puts an end to the whole matter.
Very true, perhaps his defence will remind the jury that we all lie at some time in our lives, this does not mean we lie all the time, it is a fact that they may see him as capable of lying again and that is the way of the world to see things this way but if we find people guilty of something because they once lied then there should never be a "not guilty" decision, it would be good if they could make thier descision based on the facts and not what he "may have done" or "may do".
I might add that I haven't a clue what he is accused of and this is just a personal general opinion about lying.
You wait till Max sees this. 
