so this is all rubbish then?
this never happened then?
of course it did. that is the reeson there are no gollywogs allowed now and nothing to do with any other reeson
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Did you do the search?
Yes there are fanatacists all over the place, on every side eh?
Oh and that lin is where I got teh quote from Robertsons.
well i see you quoted the bit that you wanted and i wrote mine. but of course you obviusly think your coment is correct and of course mine is? racist nonsense?
no sorry to say something that you are finding a bit hard to understand ben, it is called a fact.:thumbup:
Sex God
Now we have a delema, two sides of the story from one site
Who's facts do we trust?
Maybe every one quoting facts, should provide a link to the facts, so we can all judge them for our selves?
Who's facts do we trust?
Maybe every one quoting facts, should provide a link to the facts, so we can all judge them for our selves?
Quote by Bluefish2009
Now we have a delema, two sides of the story from one site
Who's facts do we trust?
Maybe every one quoting facts, should provide a link to the facts, so we can all judge them for our selves?
i stated bluefish that black peeple cannot be racist. i stand by that fact as i asked anyone to show me a court case where a black man was found guilty of racially abusing a white person. i am having trouble finding any evidence of this.
i stand by what i have said that only white peeple it seems can be racist which meens the law is one sided with regards to the footballers first mentioned as had ferdinand have called john terry a fucking white cunt no action at all would have been taken against him. but say the same thing b ut add the word black and we have seen that the police have now charged terry.
that is what i beleeve and i will not be swayed unless someone can provide me with facts that state the opposite.
surely the law should protect both sides regardless of colour?
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
You will like this one:
Security guards can be so sensitive I find
What a waist of police time and public money
Sex God
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You will like this one:
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
really so the best you can find is a daily mail(oh the irony) article of a white man racially abusing another white man
its anything but substantial evidence to back up your claims :doh:
Quote by Bluefish2009
Gnv, as a man who is abroad, what would our European cousins have to say about all this?
Do you ever feel that you are treated in a racist manner?
Not at all Blue. Any abuse usually comes from the Brits aimed at the French who refuse to speak English in their own country
The French themselves are truly multi-national with many overseas territories that are in every way as much as France herself. They have the same political and social structure and enjoy all the benefits that being French brings. Where problems arise, it is often concerned with incomers who do not love France and fail to respect her generally peaceful culture. Witness the Roma expulsions and the recent disorder issues in Marseille which are often associated with North African incomers peddling drugs, arms and violence on an unbelievable scale. It is right that the authorities here stamp down on it very harshly and if that is seen by outsiders as being 'racist' then so be it.
Whilst the EC expressed alarm at France's stance over the Roma expulsions, it eventually had to admit that it was her sovereign right to do so particularly when it emerged that other European countries had done no less themselves.
'Love France or leave her' is the well documented call from the President. As a European living life in France by choice and with full legitimacy, I fully subscribe to that. Our French neighbours see it no differently and we fully engage with them as they do with us, in our day to day dealings.
Vive la France!
Quote by Lizaleanrob
daily mail(oh the irony) article of a white man racially abusing another white man
its anything but substantial evidence to back up your claims :doh:
i am glad that you can also see the double standards rob.
the same double standards that will see terry found guilty, but nobody has come up with evidence that this is not a one way law.
i see this almost every day in the media. only two weeks ago a white boy was chased by a gang of black kids and they stabbed him and he died. the police were only to quick to say this was not a racial killing, but had it of been the other way around that is the first thing they would have stated.
laws are there to be equal rob and i see nothing here but one sided views and values.
by bens comment there is obviusly not a lot out there to back his claims up but plenty to back mine up.
a daily mail article. yes indeed rob the irony! :notes:
Quote by starlightcouple
daily mail(oh the irony) article of a white man racially abusing another white man
its anything but substantial evidence to back up your claims :doh:
i am glad that you can also see the double standards rob.
the same double standards that will see terry found guilty, but nobody has come up with evidence that this is not a one way law.
i see this almost every day in the media. only two weeks ago a white boy was chased by a gang of black kids and they stabbed him and he died. the police were only to quick to say this was not a racial killing, but had it of been the other way around that is the first thing they would have stated.
laws are there to be equal rob and i see nothing here but one sided views and values.
by bens comment there is obviusly not a lot out there to back his claims up but plenty to back mine up.
a daily mail article. yes indeed rob the irony! :notes:
Sorry Star but it won't be double standards if Terry is found guilty. His case will be judged upon its own merrits.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
until black and white are treeted the same within the law, and they are cleerly not, this problem will exist for white peeple.
i have alredy asked in here are there any cases of a black man being charged or convicted of being racially offensive to a white person.
*snip*
can you be racist if you are black? i beleeve not. so the law is not equal is it?
nobody has come up with evidence that this is not a one way law.
*snip*
laws are there to be equal rob and i see nothing here but one sided views and values.
by bens comment there is obviusly not a lot out there to back his claims up but plenty to back mine up
Have you bothered to actually look Star, or as usual do you simply cling to your beliefs without letting inconvenient things like actual facts get in the way of them?
Two whole seconds on Google, black man convicted of racist offence towards whites:
Just to mix things up, black woman convicted of racist offence towards Asian woman:
Sure there are more if you look for them. Seems you can be racist if you're black after all according to the law? Who'd have thunk it?
Neil
Could it be that because they have been the victims of racism from the day they were born black people know the devastating effect that racism can have on people and therefore that Black people rarely make racist comments or are rarely guilty of racist abuse ?
Some in here keep asking for proof of conviction or even trial of racist black people but none have answered my request for them to show proof of racism BY black people !
Oh I know some people play the race card, "they only did it/said it because I am black but that is not the same as insulting someone in a racist way which is what is being discussed here.
I am sorry I posted this thread now because it has been hijacked into a racist thread where many think it is ok to be racist because other people are, maybe hijacked is wrong because it was about Liverpool FC supporting racism and this thread appears to be about many more people supporting it and using the law as an excuse for them to get away with it.
Some in here keep asking for proof of conviction or even trial of racist black people but none have answered my request for them to show proof of racism BY black people !
Oh I know some people play the race card, "they only did it/said it because I am black but that is not the same as insulting someone in a racist way which is what is being discussed here.
I am sorry I posted this thread now because it has been hijacked into a racist thread where many think it is ok to be racist because other people are, maybe hijacked is wrong because it was about Liverpool FC supporting racism and this thread appears to be about many more people supporting it and using the law as an excuse for them to get away with it.
Sex God
now that's how you back up an opinon thanks neil
Quote by MidsCouple24
Could it be that because they have been the victims of racism from the day they were born black people know the devastating effect that racism can have on people and therefore that Black people rarely make racist comments or are rarely guilty of racist abuse ?
Some in here keep asking for proof of conviction or even trial of racist black people but none have answered my request for them to show proof of racism BY black people !
Oh I know some people play the race card, "they only did it/said it because I am black but that is not the same as insulting someone in a racist way which is what is being discussed here.
I am sorry I posted this thread now because it has been hijacked into a racist thread where many think it is ok to be racist because other people are, maybe hijacked is wrong because it was about Liverpool FC supporting racism and this thread appears to be about many more people supporting it and using the law as an excuse for them to get away with it.
I don't see anyone in this thread supporting racism. I see some people questioning whether or not there are double standards when it comes to tackling racism.
If you had bothered to read Neil's post immediately above yours, you would have seen that he provided some evidence that racism can be perpetrated by black people. I'm sure that all races can be guilty of racism at times.
I also don't agree with you that Liverpool FC support racism. The Suarez case is a little more complex than you obviously appreciate. He used a term that in his language, country and culture is not deemed to be racist. Liverpool's display of support may have been ill judged but they were supporting their player who they think has been unfairly treated, not racism. There is a difference.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Gnv, as a man who is abroad, what would our European cousins have to say about all this?
Do you ever feel that you are treated in a racist manner?
Not at all Blue. Any abuse usually comes from the Brits aimed at the French who refuse to speak English in their own country
The French themselves are truly multi-national with many overseas territories that are in every way as much as France herself. They have the same political and social structure and enjoy all the benefits that being French brings. Where problems arise, it is often concerned with incomers who do not love France and fail to respect her generally peaceful culture. Witness the Roma expulsions and the recent disorder issues in Marseille which are often associated with North African incomers peddling drugs, arms and violence on an unbelievable scale. It is right that the authorities here stamp down on it very harshly and if that is seen by outsiders as being 'racist' then so be it.
Whilst the EC expressed alarm at France's stance over the Roma expulsions, it eventually had to admit that it was her sovereign right to do so particularly when it emerged that other European countries had done no less themselves.
'Love France or leave her' is the well documented call from the President. As a European living life in France by choice and with full legitimacy, I fully subscribe to that. Our French neighbours see it no differently and we fully engage with them as they do with us, in our day to day dealings.
Vive la France!
Sounds like they have found a sensible way forward :thumbup:
The racist issue in football is well publicised in all countries, if he did not know that you cannot make remarks to other players or what would be deemed a racist remark then Football and Liverpool FC have failed him and the ideals they say they support, surely when "importing" players from abroad there should be some thought given to educating them in the ways of British Football, even european football ettiquette, in this country ignorance of the law is no excuse, do you believe he should be outside British Law because he is from another Country ?
Did Liverpool FC try to explain that they support him because it was a mistake and he did not understand the cultural difference, no they wore shirts with his picture name and number on them to say "we are just like him"
Some may be forgiven for not having the education or knowledge of all things British but Liverpool FC have the knowledge, they have the structures, they have the advisors, they have the funds for there to be no excuse for such an error.
At the very least Liverpool FC are guilty of a PR disaster the like of which heads roll, contracts cancelled and sacking ensue in other organisations.
My comments regarding support for racism follow comments that can only be construed as "you can be racist and should not be punnished because only white people are convicted or accused of it" I said before, I believe 2 wrongs do not make a right so such defence of racism is simply no defence. You either say racism is wrong or racism is ok you cannot use the argument of the rights and wrongs in British Law that is something for your MP to be made aware of, who believes that such a defence will save them in a court of law when found guilty of racism ? you would not recieve leneancy for that defence, though you may wish to pursue a seperate case of racism against you on the grounds that you say, ie only white people are targetted of such offences.
And finally those who want evidence of a non-white person accused and punished for racism, I give you the case of Luis Suarez a Uruguayan as non white as a Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Native American Indian, Inuit.
Did Liverpool FC try to explain that they support him because it was a mistake and he did not understand the cultural difference, no they wore shirts with his picture name and number on them to say "we are just like him"
Some may be forgiven for not having the education or knowledge of all things British but Liverpool FC have the knowledge, they have the structures, they have the advisors, they have the funds for there to be no excuse for such an error.
At the very least Liverpool FC are guilty of a PR disaster the like of which heads roll, contracts cancelled and sacking ensue in other organisations.
My comments regarding support for racism follow comments that can only be construed as "you can be racist and should not be punnished because only white people are convicted or accused of it" I said before, I believe 2 wrongs do not make a right so such defence of racism is simply no defence. You either say racism is wrong or racism is ok you cannot use the argument of the rights and wrongs in British Law that is something for your MP to be made aware of, who believes that such a defence will save them in a court of law when found guilty of racism ? you would not recieve leneancy for that defence, though you may wish to pursue a seperate case of racism against you on the grounds that you say, ie only white people are targetted of such offences.
And finally those who want evidence of a non-white person accused and punished for racism, I give you the case of Luis Suarez a Uruguayan as non white as a Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Native American Indian, Inuit.
Sex God
Trundling back to the original post, perhaps it's worth looking at foreign players within UK football.
In response to concerns that clubs were increasingly passing over young British players in favour of signing less-expensive foreign players, in 1999, the Home Office tightened its rules for granting work permits to players from countries outside of the European Union.
Currently a non-EU player applying for the permit must have played for his country in at least 75 percent of its competitive 'A' team matches for which he was available for selection during the previous two years, and his country must have averaged at least 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings over the previous two years.
If a player does not meet those criteria, the club wishing to sign him may appeal if they believe that he is a special talent and "able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in the UK."
One area where the Premier League's player registration rules are more restrictive than those of some other football leagues, such as those of Belgium and Portugal, is that academy level non-EU players have little access to English football by law.
So there are some limits on foreign players set by Government. Additionally as of the 2010–11 season, the Premier League introduced new rules mandating that each club must register a maximum 25-man squad of players aged over 21 to enable the 'home grown' rule to be enacted, whereby the League would also from 2010 require at least 8 of the named 25 man squad to be made up of 'home-grown players', defined as a player who: irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday.
Separate to the legal entity that is then Premier League, we also have The Football Association is responsible for ensuring that the international Laws of the Game are applied on the field, and that the rules and regulations concerned with running football in England are observed by officials, clubs and players off the pitch as well as on it.
Under Association rules, see E CONDUCT and then General behaviour item 3
(1) act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any
one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive,
indecent or insulting words or behaviour.
(2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more
of a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation
or disability (an “aggravating factor”), a Regulatory Commission shall consider
the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry
points:
For a first off ence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission
would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
For a second off ence, a sanction that is treble that which the Regulatory
Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
Any further such off ence(s) shall give rise to consideration of a permanent
suspension.
These entry points are intended to guide the Regulatory Commission and are not
mandatory.
The Regulatory Commission shall have the discretion to impose a sanction greater
or less than the entry point, according to the aggravating or mitigating factors
present in each case.
and also the next section under DISCRIMINATION
(4) A Participant shall not carry out any act of discrimination by reason of ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability.
These are in addition to UK Laws covering racism and discrimination.
Now as a professional footballer working in another country to their home, i.e. in the UK, then you would expect to know, understand, be advised and consent to abiding by the rules associated with your profession within the country where you are working.
This is no different to many UK residents going to work abroad, for instance the Middle East and not being expected to abide by their local Laws on alcohol, clothing standards, affection in public, etc. Similarly if you or I wished to visit/work in Uruguay we'd be expected to understand and abide by their local Laws and culture.
It's only fair.
Therefore if a footballer in the UK has broken the Law or the rules of their profession then it's only fair and proper that they are subject to investigation and if this finds that there is a 'case to answer' then they are charged by either the professional body (FA in this case, or the CPS in the case of John Terry, and their respective cases heard and if proven the relevant penalties applied.
End of story.
In response to concerns that clubs were increasingly passing over young British players in favour of signing less-expensive foreign players, in 1999, the Home Office tightened its rules for granting work permits to players from countries outside of the European Union.
Currently a non-EU player applying for the permit must have played for his country in at least 75 percent of its competitive 'A' team matches for which he was available for selection during the previous two years, and his country must have averaged at least 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings over the previous two years.
If a player does not meet those criteria, the club wishing to sign him may appeal if they believe that he is a special talent and "able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in the UK."
One area where the Premier League's player registration rules are more restrictive than those of some other football leagues, such as those of Belgium and Portugal, is that academy level non-EU players have little access to English football by law.
So there are some limits on foreign players set by Government. Additionally as of the 2010–11 season, the Premier League introduced new rules mandating that each club must register a maximum 25-man squad of players aged over 21 to enable the 'home grown' rule to be enacted, whereby the League would also from 2010 require at least 8 of the named 25 man squad to be made up of 'home-grown players', defined as a player who: irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday.
Separate to the legal entity that is then Premier League, we also have The Football Association is responsible for ensuring that the international Laws of the Game are applied on the field, and that the rules and regulations concerned with running football in England are observed by officials, clubs and players off the pitch as well as on it.
Under Association rules, see E CONDUCT and then General behaviour item 3
(1) act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any
one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive,
indecent or insulting words or behaviour.
(2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more
of a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation
or disability (an “aggravating factor”), a Regulatory Commission shall consider
the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry
points:
For a first off ence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission
would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
For a second off ence, a sanction that is treble that which the Regulatory
Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
Any further such off ence(s) shall give rise to consideration of a permanent
suspension.
These entry points are intended to guide the Regulatory Commission and are not
mandatory.
The Regulatory Commission shall have the discretion to impose a sanction greater
or less than the entry point, according to the aggravating or mitigating factors
present in each case.
and also the next section under DISCRIMINATION
(4) A Participant shall not carry out any act of discrimination by reason of ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability.
These are in addition to UK Laws covering racism and discrimination.
Now as a professional footballer working in another country to their home, i.e. in the UK, then you would expect to know, understand, be advised and consent to abiding by the rules associated with your profession within the country where you are working.
This is no different to many UK residents going to work abroad, for instance the Middle East and not being expected to abide by their local Laws on alcohol, clothing standards, affection in public, etc. Similarly if you or I wished to visit/work in Uruguay we'd be expected to understand and abide by their local Laws and culture.
It's only fair.
Therefore if a footballer in the UK has broken the Law or the rules of their profession then it's only fair and proper that they are subject to investigation and if this finds that there is a 'case to answer' then they are charged by either the professional body (FA in this case, or the CPS in the case of John Terry, and their respective cases heard and if proven the relevant penalties applied.
End of story.
Quote by MidsCouple24
The racist issue in football is well publicised in all countries, if he did not know that you cannot make remarks to other players or what would be deemed a racist remark then Football and Liverpool FC have failed him and the ideals they say they support, surely when "importing" players from abroad there should be some thought given to educating them in the ways of British Football, even european football ettiquette, in this country ignorance of the law is no excuse, do you believe he should be outside British Law because he is from another Country ?
Did Liverpool FC try to explain that they support him because it was a mistake and he did not understand the cultural difference, no they wore shirts with his picture name and number on them to say "we are just like him"
Some may be forgiven for not having the education or knowledge of all things British but Liverpool FC have the knowledge, they have the structures, they have the advisors, they have the funds for there to be no excuse for such an error.
At the very least Liverpool FC are guilty of a PR disaster the like of which heads roll, contracts cancelled and sacking ensue in other organisations.
My comments regarding support for racism follow comments that can only be construed as "you can be racist and should not be punnished because only white people are convicted or accused of it" I said before, I believe 2 wrongs do not make a right so such defence of racism is simply no defence. You either say racism is wrong or racism is ok you cannot use the argument of the rights and wrongs in British Law that is something for your MP to be made aware of, who believes that such a defence will save them in a court of law when found guilty of racism ? you would not recieve leneancy for that defence, though you may wish to pursue a seperate case of racism against you on the grounds that you say, ie only white people are targetted of such offences.
And finally those who want evidence of a non-white person accused and punished for racism, I give you the case of Luis Suarez a Uruguayan as non white as a Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Native American Indian, Inuit.
If Suarez has learned as much about the UK culture as the average British footballer learns about the culture of countries that they go to play in, he will have learned fuck all.
Ignorance may be no excuse in the eyes of the law but we as a nation use it when suits, for example when a British woman is sentenced to a public lashing for being caught having sex in a public place in a Muslim country, or UK nationals being sentenced to death for drug trafficking. We don't like it and go to great lengths to stop it happening but we have broken their laws and offended their culture.
I believe that racism is wrong but I can still see that this case is not a clear cut case of out and out racism. It would be very convenient if everything thing is this world was either black or white, but just like us, there are shades of every other colour in between.
Quote by HnS
Trundling back to the original post, perhaps it's worth looking at foreign players within UK football.
In response to concerns that clubs were increasingly passing over young British players in favour of signing less-expensive foreign players, in 1999, the Home Office tightened its rules for granting work permits to players from countries outside of the European Union.
Currently a non-EU player applying for the permit must have played for his country in at least 75 percent of its competitive 'A' team matches for which he was available for selection during the previous two years, and his country must have averaged at least 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings over the previous two years.
If a player does not meet those criteria, the club wishing to sign him may appeal if they believe that he is a special talent and "able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in the UK."
One area where the Premier League's player registration rules are more restrictive than those of some other football leagues, such as those of Belgium and Portugal, is that academy level non-EU players have little access to English football by law.
So there are some limits on foreign players set by Government. Additionally as of the 2010–11 season, the Premier League introduced new rules mandating that each club must register a maximum 25-man squad of players aged over 21 to enable the 'home grown' rule to be enacted, whereby the League would also from 2010 require at least 8 of the named 25 man squad to be made up of 'home-grown players', defined as a player who: irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday.
Separate to the legal entity that is then Premier League, we also have The Football Association is responsible for ensuring that the international Laws of the Game are applied on the field, and that the rules and regulations concerned with running football in England are observed by officials, clubs and players off the pitch as well as on it.
Under Association rules, see E CONDUCT and then General behaviour item 3
(1) act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any
one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive,
indecent or insulting words or behaviour.
(2) In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more
of a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation
or disability (an “aggravating factor”), a Regulatory Commission shall consider
the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry
points:
For a first off ence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission
would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
For a second off ence, a sanction that is treble that which the Regulatory
Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.
Any further such off ence(s) shall give rise to consideration of a permanent
suspension.
These entry points are intended to guide the Regulatory Commission and are not
mandatory.
The Regulatory Commission shall have the discretion to impose a sanction greater
or less than the entry point, according to the aggravating or mitigating factors
present in each case.
and also the next section under DISCRIMINATION
(4) A Participant shall not carry out any act of discrimination by reason of ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability.
These are in addition to UK Laws covering racism and discrimination.
Now as a professional footballer working in another country to their home, i.e. in the UK, then you would expect to know, understand, be advised and consent to abiding by the rules associated with your profession within the country where you are working.
This is no different to many UK residents going to work abroad, for instance the Middle East and not being expected to abide by their local Laws on alcohol, clothing standards, affection in public, etc. Similarly if you or I wished to visit/work in Uruguay we'd be expected to understand and abide by their local Laws and culture.
It's only fair.
Therefore if a footballer in the UK has broken the Law or the rules of their profession then it's only fair and proper that they are subject to investigation and if this finds that there is a 'case to answer' then they are charged by either the professional body (FA in this case, or the CPS in the case of John Terry, and their respective cases heard and if proven the relevant penalties applied.
End of story.
The average footballer in this country doesn't even know the rules of the game, let alone the laws of the land and as I have already said, if foreign players learn as much about our culture than the average British player playing abroad learns about the culture of the country in which they are playing, they will learn fuck all.
More evidence that racism is punished regardless of the colour of the assailant ... intersting this in that he is a mixed race footballer racially abusing white people ... not "British" Although i believe the police officer was born and raised in Britain
As stated before though it will be hard to find any evidence of racism towards white "british" males as racist abuse is based on stereotype and ignorance. The stereotype of a white male isn't a negative one .. calling someone a "white c**t" doesn't carry the same weight.
It's important to punish any kind of racism and the Suarez case may be a case of setting an example, it can not be settled by a handshake.
The defence of "most of my best friends are black" etc. shouldn't wash.
So going back to the original question, where Liverpool wrong in their support ... until he is proven "not guilty" then yes.
As stated before though it will be hard to find any evidence of racism towards white "british" males as racist abuse is based on stereotype and ignorance. The stereotype of a white male isn't a negative one .. calling someone a "white c**t" doesn't carry the same weight.
It's important to punish any kind of racism and the Suarez case may be a case of setting an example, it can not be settled by a handshake.
The defence of "most of my best friends are black" etc. shouldn't wash.
So going back to the original question, where Liverpool wrong in their support ... until he is proven "not guilty" then yes.
Quote by Max777
snip....
So going back to the original question, where Liverpool wrong in their support ... until he is proven "not guilty" then yes.
So, following your logic, miscarriages of justice would never be overturned as no one would ever be able to support the victim.
Their support was shown in the form of an official statement, i was happy with this ... this outward showing of support i found a little too much to be honest and a dignified show of support (playing Suarez was enough) would have sufficed.
This has inflamed the situation and if you read some of the Liverpool "supporters" comments on Twitter you can see evidence of this.
The FA's punishment was too harsh and this show of support was too harsh .. dignity all round win's the arguments .. from both sides
Quote by Suedey
snip....
So going back to the original question, where Liverpool wrong in their support ... until he is proven "not guilty" then yes.
So, following your logic, miscarriages of justice would never be overturned as no one would ever be able to support the victim.
Their support was shown in the form of an official statement, i was happy with this ... this outward showing of support i found a little too much to be honest and a dignified show of support (playing Suarez was enough) would have sufficed.
This has inflamed the situation and if you read some of the Liverpool "supporters" comments on Twitter you can see evidence of this.
The FA's punishment was too harsh and this show of support was too harsh .. dignity all round win's the arguments .. from both sides
I'm in agreement with you that I think the overt gesture of support was ill judged but I do not agree that it says that Liverpool FC support racism, as is claimed by the OP.
A statement from the players:
Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.
We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.
We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.
We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.
Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.
We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.
We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.
We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.
