should all drugs be classifed class A

1 Sep 2010

Quote by ForestFunsters

Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.

Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! wink

And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)
The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.
ah yes
they do
well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing
i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first :wink:

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob

Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.

Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! wink

And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)
The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.
ah yes
they do
well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing
i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first :wink:
Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot lol

1 Sep 2010

Quote by ForestFunsters

Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.

Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! wink

And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)
The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.
ah yes
they do
well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing
i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first :wink:
Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot lol

it does including knowing what i'm saying from experience so much better than blind ignorance don't you think :wink:

1 Sep 2010

Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob

Very valid points indeed, sadley some here are too quick to label those who may have taken a wrong turn in life as Junkies and criminals.

Welcome to the world of swinging, where minds aren't always open and judges are always mental! wink

And it's a world where people write absolute bollocks about things they know little or nothing about, then post the first link they find that agrees with their point of view, without researching any further (not you DG, I hasten to add!)
The fact is, 100's of thousands, possibly millions of people around the world use marijuana, and benefit greatly from it, both medically and recreationally. These people may have a spliff in the evening to wind down after a hard day at work, maybe a few at the weekend and it has no bad overall effect on them whatsoever. The after-effects and residual blood traces dissipate far quicker than alcohol consumption, with no hang-over. These people don't go out mugging to feed their habit - they work for the money they spend. You won't find them fighting inside kebab shops or causing any trouble to anybody. You will find amongst them scholars, academics, artists, poets, and great lovers.
Here's one final statistic - the vast majority of classical artists, DaVinci, Botticelli, Van Gogh, Degas, Monet etc. were all marijuana users. I think out lives would be a lot shabbier without the legacy left by these great painters.
ah yes
they do
well not me from 16 -21 i did the lot and i mean every thing
i got to 21 realised the world didn't owe me a living got of my arse and left the lot behind
so just let me know what sort of high you want to discuss, acid's a good starting point don't you think or should we do the mushrooms first :wink:
Ah, so you're an ex-user then? That explains a lot lol

it does including knowing what i'm saying from experience so much better than blind ignorance don't you think :wink:
I agree completely; so what are your medical qualifications? Are you assuming that I have no clinical or empirical knowledge of these substances? You are very, very wrong my friend.

1 Sep 2010

Quote by ForestFunsters
I agree completely; so what are your medical qualifications? Are you assuming that I have no clinical or empirical knowledge of these substances? You are very, very wrong my friend.

i wasn't the one doing the implying was i
but statements proclaiming genius of century's gone by where drug users could be equally applied to the drink absinthe
i don't just read the links that suit my arguments i have a life study of users who are still friends (about 20 of them )over 25 odd years
and not one i add who can paint a master piece in fact i do believe that their idea of a master piece involves 3 rizla papers and a piece of card
i must admit i have no medical expertise but then nor do my children who often sit in the garden with us and the odd friend (user)that comes round
but they always say the same comment "jeeze is that guys screwed in the head or what "

1 Sep 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week

Well you are at least trying too. lol

Not up to my standards yet old boy.:giggle::giggle:

1 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Now,now stop bickering .....me and Kenny are covering that this week

Well you are at least trying too. lol

Not up to my standards yet old boy.:giggle::giggle:
Standards ????

2 Sep 2010

please people does it matter who has clinical knowledge????
this is a debate/discussion not intellectual wanking!!!!
"you don't need eyes to see you need vision"

2 Sep 2010

Quote by lickmidick2002
please people does it matter who has clinical knowledge????
this is a debate/discussion not intellectual wanking!!!!
"you don't need eyes to see you need vision"

I think it does on this topic - there is a lack of knowledge in this country about the chemical compostion of marijuana, and the reports that have been published have been very confusing and contradictory. My point is that there is as huge a difference between moonshine and champagne as there is between "street" marijuana and professionally grown crops. One can kill, the other can benefit.

2 Sep 2010

I know a few acid users in the east end of London....
much better than fooking around with concrete as all the motorway extension bridges are built now...
bolt

2 Sep 2010

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:

11 Sep 2010

Hi,
The original question is a subject close to my heart .....though I accept that views on ths subject tend to be very polarised.
Regarding the man concerned......you knew him...unlike myself......but my initial reaction is that......to make such a dramatic change in his personality......it's UNlikely that it's simply the use of weed that's been the cause.....though it may have contributed. MANY things can occur in someone's life over a long period.....possibly causing mental problems, usually causing changes in our views in many areas....to say nothing of possible emotional problems which may have contributed to his present condition,......Can you be CERTAIN that his current condition can be SOLELY attributed to his use of cannabis??
Regarding the question re:Should all drugs be classified as A
My own views.......after many years of contact with users of many different drugs.....both legal and illegal is that.....eventually....ALL governments will be forced to accept decriminilisation at least.
It's one thing to fight a 'war' against drugs when they can be easily identified.....quite another when it's becoming easier each day to chemically modify ILLEGAL drugs so they become legal!!.....but...in essence...produce the same effect for the user.
My, admittedly, left wing views ( matched, incidentally, by the private opinions of some influential MPs .......Do your own research re: your own MP ), are that HUGE resources are wasted in this failing 'war' on drugs which.....given the political will......could be re-allocated to the education.....particularly of the young....so that they were aware of the FULL implications of using ANY drug.
On top of that.......If the state were to accept that supply of pure drugs was legal they could eliminate most of the social ill effects of drug use.....criminal behaviour, costs to NHS of impure supplies and violence associated with criminal behaviour to get the drugs, costs of subsidising addicts via the benefits system when supplied with regular supply many are capable of holding down jobs, etc.
On top of all that....as is the case with tobacco nand alcohol......duties would be raised via the legal supply of such supplies together with legal employment within the supply sector....all contributing to the exchequer's coffers
In MY view......the main consideration should ALWAYS have been education!!....Since the 60's and before we have been 'educated' to believe that most drugs have enormous adverse effects......hardly surprising that generations have ignored the official line!!
Finally......consider the hitorical records of governments both here and abroad.....in caving in to pressures from established big businesses at the times to outlaw what was previously legally acceptable.
I don't suggest that such political decisions will come easy to ANY government who are, after all,maily concerned with obtaining power, but remain convinced that legalising drug use and supply is the only, long term answer
UNLESS.......through our own fear we continue to be manipulated into welcoming 'Big Brother' into his omnipotent position covering EVERY aspect of our lives!!.....THEN....I think ......we'll have rather more to be concerned about that drug use!!
Appologies for going on.......If not for the AUP......I'd have had rather more to say!! :twisted:
Chris