sick benefit crackdown

5 Apr 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
((snip my stuff, you don't want to read it again))

I'm not so sure foxy. I employed a number of people with disabilities over the years and they gave their all in the work they did. One was registered partially sighted and I needed him to visit customer workplaces to resolve issues. He was brilliant at what he did and the Employment Service even provided him with a driver to get to work and to travel on appointments.
I'm not saying for one second that people with disabilities are any less able to do jobs - but I believe that many/most employers would opt for the fully (or more) able person given an otherwise even choice between 2 people.
I would add that my best mate is severely disabled and has just had to fill out the usual 20+ page DLA form for his condition, which has been fully established by the DLA's medical people as being permanent, degenerative and entirely disabling. And he has to do this every couple of years. It's like an A level - loads of writing not just tick boxes.
He could do some work, nothing physical at all, and at best only a few hours a week. He couldn't guarentee being able to go into work (or even work at home) on any given day and therefre would be a total liability to any employer that has any kind of deadline or customer. He's on so many meds there are days he can't string a coherent sentence together or hold a cup - and that idiot Campbell insists that he has to prove this every couple of years, in spite of the medical people for the DLA having accepted that his condition won't change - ever. Apart from getting worse, so bad it's a toss up whether the spinal nerve damage stops him breathing before the pain drives him to suicide.
Sorry, but while I agree with people being encouraged to work - they have to be 'enabled' to work and actually offered a job. That and the proof of invalidity benefit status is applied stupidly. This whole thing is simply an exercise in cutting cost - NOT in applying the benefit more appropriately.
Good points Foxy a little common sense wouldn`t go a miss, my own brother is in a wheel chair, unable to read, write, or speak but the home he is in will have to fill out these forms on his behalf
i also like the idea of tax breaks for companies that employ only UK call centers

5 Apr 2011

You woken up from a long sleep staggers? :giggle:

5 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
You woken up from a long sleep staggers? :giggle:

Overtime G .... both a curse and a blessing

5 Apr 2011

Funny how the TORIES always manage to blame everyone else.
Who was it that gave away our manufacturing base.
Who was it the gave the mega rich tax breaks to but up our utilities.
Who was it that sold everything including the family silver to fund tax cuts.
Who was it that said we shouldnt state fund private companies.
THE LIST DOES INDEED GO ON ........................

5 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
Or paid the Pensioners an extra 75p per week on their pensions...I know shocking ...I mean giving the pensioners a raise it's bloody appalling
Or nearly threw the UK into a constitutional crisis similar to the Ivory Coast when he refused to leave office...Gordon Brown is still in office ????? why weren't we told ffs!!!

The list goes on...

Now did someone mention smoke and mirrors ???......What on earth has this review got to do with Gordon Brown ??

5 Apr 2011

Quote by flower411

And flower, nice of you to put Bankers at the top of the pile. Gulson will be proud of you but I wouldn't be so bold personally; that's the place for those Politicians who fiddled the system, got caught and are now facing the consequences at Her Majesty's pleasure.

Naive wasn`t a word I`d previously have used when describing you G but if you think the politicians control the bankers rather than the other way round, then I`m afraid it`s the only word possible ......the politicians being taken to task over their crimes are being justly punished, but their masters are fleecing us all for billions and getting away with it while their minions are being bought to task over a few thousand here and there.
It's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame... aint it all a fucking shame...
No of course not flower.. the bankers rule except if you have escaped their evil clutches...

5 Apr 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
Funny how the TORIES always manage to blame everyone else.
Who was it that gave away our manufacturing base.
Who was it the gave the mega rich tax breaks to but up our utilities.
Who was it that sold everything including the family silver to fund tax cuts.
Who was it that said we shouldnt state fund private companies.
THE LIST DOES INDEED GO ON ........................

and here's me thinking you were a Liberal....:giggle:

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Really Rob ???????????????????????????? were the do you think they got this years bonuses from …......Jeeves and fucking Wooster

nope they get this yearly huge bonus much in thanks to your champion ..............The employment contract:gagged:
just seems that they are able to make more from theirs than the average worker dunno

6 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
Funny how the TORIES always manage to blame everyone else.
Who was it that gave away our manufacturing base.
Who was it the gave the mega rich tax breaks to but up our utilities.
Who was it that sold everything including the family silver to fund tax cuts.
Who was it that said we shouldnt state fund private companies.
THE LIST DOES INDEED GO ON ........................

and here's me thinking you were a Liberal....:giggle:
or indeed Robbo milliband bolt

6 Apr 2011

My political leanings are not important.
But how can the village idiot justify giving £650,000,000, to build schools in a country that thinks its better spending its own money buying 6 brand new submarines.
This guy really is "TAKING THE PISS"

6 Apr 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
My political leanings are not important.
But how can the village idiot justify giving £650,000,000, to build schools in a country that thinks its better spending its own money buying 6 brand new submarines.
This guy really is "TAKING THE PISS"

well vote him out at the next election lol

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

Really Rob ???????????????????????????? were the do you think they got this years bonuses from …......Jeeves and fucking Wooster

nope they get this yearly huge bonus much in thanks to your champion ..............The employment contract:gagged:
just seems that they are able to make more from theirs than the average worker dunno

Soooooooooooo let me get this straight.......it was Gordon Browns fault but it has nothing to do with the present incumbent because of the employment contract
I mean really ??? really ?? :facepalm:

6 Apr 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
My political leanings are not important.
But how can the village idiot justify giving £650,000,000, to build schools in a country that thinks its better spending its own money buying 6 brand new submarines.
This guy really is "TAKING THE PISS"

well vote him out at the next election lol

I did at the last election.
Just wish he would make one more small cut, (from ear to ear.)

6 Apr 2011

I rather like the new government :thumbup:

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

Really Rob ???????????????????????????? were the do you think they got this years bonuses from .........Jeeves and fucking Wooster

nope they get this yearly huge bonus much in thanks to your champion ..............The employment contract:gagged:
just seems that they are able to make more from theirs than the average worker dunno

Soooooooooooo let me get this straight.......it was Gordon Browns fault but it has nothing to do with the present incumbent because of the employment contract
I mean really ??? really ?? :facepalm:
not sure i stated it was browns fault i was more trying even up the politics as being as bad as all the rest ....but anyway
There you go staggers

employment contracts aye who`d ave em wink

so back the benefit reforms then flipa

6 Apr 2011

i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
snip
so back the benefit reforms then

Yes, and as always, waiting for that special explanation from Ben....

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

Really Rob ???????????????????????????? were the do you think they got this years bonuses from .........Jeeves and fucking Wooster

nope they get this yearly huge bonus much in thanks to your champion ..............The employment contract:gagged:
just seems that they are able to make more from theirs than the average worker dunno

Soooooooooooo let me get this straight.......it was Gordon Browns fault but it has nothing to do with the present incumbent because of the employment contract
I mean really ??? really ?? :facepalm:
not sure i stated it was browns fault i was more trying even up the politics as being as bad as all the rest ....but anyway
There you go staggers

employment contracts aye who`d ave em wink

so back the benefit reforms then flipa

Employment contracts are fine.....when written by idiots they are of course a different matter
Evening up the politics ?? I think most of us are aware we a governed by charlatans
I think I've made my point about the benefits reforms....no-one seems to want to talk to me about it

6 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

So apart from constantly bleating about this topic on Swinging websites, what else are you doing to wake the "phuckers" up?

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

So apart from constantly bleating about this topic on Swinging websites, what else are you doing to wake the "phuckers" up?so i bleat on a site with current affairs as a subject. no, i dont bleat, i am consistent. as for other mediums, i do, frequently.
sorry that in your opinion, "i dont know what i'm taking about" and ramble on consistently about the same subject but if you have evidence other than media spin, hard factual evidence that the world economy is picking up like " marks and spencers sales are up 0.1 %" under conditions where food prices alone are up 30 % and fuel up 20 % then you are cleverer than i.
max, i do not understand your hostility unless it is that you do not want to face the truth, because you know where it is leading to, complete collapse.
i beleive that from your previous hostile attitude to most of my previous post's that you do know what i'm talking about, do concur and are very aware of the processes that are taking place but find it hard to accept. this is the one, this is the mother of all crisies and regardless of media spin, double dips and all that jive, we aint seen nufin yet and you probably know it. so, lets get off the personal hostility and discuss. the bond market is in turmoil, japans industrial capacity is fucked, portugal, iceland, ireland and greece are fucked. states in the u.s. are insolvent. major banks are insolvent. most fiat paper currencies are in freefall while gold and silver head for the moon. there is taxpayers money (more debt) for the too big to fail and war but less for joe public and small bussiness. fact ! we are all in the same boat ! why are you attacking me ? in who's interest's do you serve ? us ? come on. regards.

6 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

So apart from constantly bleating about this topic on Swinging websites, what else are you doing to wake the "phuckers" up?so i bleat on a site with current affairs as a subject. no, i dont bleat, i am consistent. as for other mediums, i do, frequently.
sorry that in your opinion, "i dont know what i'm taking about" and ramble on consistently about the same subject but if you have evidence other than media spin, hard factual evidence that the world economy is picking up like " marks and spencers sales are up 0.1 %" under conditions where food prices alone are up 30 % and fuel up 20 % then you are cleverer than i.
max, i do not understand your hostility unless it is that you do not want to face the truth, because you know where it is leading to, complete collapse.
i beleive that from your previous hostile attitude to most of my previous post's that you do know what i'm talking about, do concur and are very aware of the processes that are taking place but find it hard to accept. this is the one, this is the mother of all crisies and regardless of media spin, double dips and all that jive, we aint seen nufin yet and you probably know it. so, lets get off the personal hostility and discuss. the bond market is in turmoil, japans industrial capacity is fucked, portugal, iceland, ireland and greece are fucked. states in the u.s. are insolvent. major banks are insolvent. most fiat paper currencies are in freefall while gold and silver head for the moon. there is taxpayers money (more debt) for the too big to fail and war but less for joe public and small bussiness. fact ! we are all in the same boat ! why are you attacking me ? in who's interest's do you serve ? us ? come on. regards.
loon

sorry Gulson but that's what I think
You're a fine one to request hard evidence. You've never yet produced any evidence to support the conspiracy theories you constantly repeat in these forums, despite repeated requests to do so.
In who's interest do YOU serve?

6 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

So apart from constantly bleating about this topic on Swinging websites, what else are you doing to wake the "phuckers" up?so i bleat on a site with current affairs as a subject. no, i dont bleat, i am consistent. as for other mediums, i do, frequently.
sorry that in your opinion, "i dont know what i'm taking about" and ramble on consistently about the same subject but if you have evidence other than media spin, hard factual evidence that the world economy is picking up like " marks and spencers sales are up 0.1 %" under conditions where food prices alone are up 30 % and fuel up 20 % then you are cleverer than i.
max, i do not understand your hostility unless it is that you do not want to face the truth, because you know where it is leading to, complete collapse.
i beleive that from your previous hostile attitude to most of my previous post's that you do know what i'm talking about, do concur and are very aware of the processes that are taking place but find it hard to accept. this is the one, this is the mother of all crisies and regardless of media spin, double dips and all that jive, we aint seen nufin yet and you probably know it. so, lets get off the personal hostility and discuss. the bond market is in turmoil, japans industrial capacity is fucked, portugal, iceland, ireland and greece are fucked. states in the u.s. are insolvent. major banks are insolvent. most fiat paper currencies are in freefall while gold and silver head for the moon. there is taxpayers money (more debt) for the too big to fail and war but less for joe public and small bussiness. fact ! we are all in the same boat ! why are you attacking me ? in who's interest's do you serve ? us ? come on. regards.
loon

sorry Gulson but that's what I think
You're a fine one to request hard evidence. You've never yet produced any evidence to support the conspiracy theories you constantly repeat in these forums, despite repeated requests to do so.
In who's interest do YOU serve?
the comediens? lol

6 Apr 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
i think people earning or getting peanuts should get less so the people earning millions should get more if only to wake the phukers earning peanuts up. we got money for wars but none for us. wake the fuck up will yah.
if you tolerate this then our children will be next.

So apart from constantly bleating about this topic on Swinging websites, what else are you doing to wake the "phuckers" up?so i bleat on a site with current affairs as a subject. no, i dont bleat, i am consistent. as for other mediums, i do, frequently.
sorry that in your opinion, "i dont know what i'm taking about" and ramble on consistently about the same subject but if you have evidence other than media spin, hard factual evidence that the world economy is picking up like " marks and spencers sales are up 0.1 %" under conditions where food prices alone are up 30 % and fuel up 20 % then you are cleverer than i.
max, i do not understand your hostility unless it is that you do not want to face the truth, because you know where it is leading to, complete collapse.
i beleive that from your previous hostile attitude to most of my previous post's that you do know what i'm talking about, do concur and are very aware of the processes that are taking place but find it hard to accept. this is the one, this is the mother of all crisies and regardless of media spin, double dips and all that jive, we aint seen nufin yet and you probably know it. so, lets get off the personal hostility and discuss. the bond market is in turmoil, japans industrial capacity is fucked, portugal, iceland, ireland and greece are fucked. states in the u.s. are insolvent. major banks are insolvent. most fiat paper currencies are in freefall while gold and silver head for the moon. there is taxpayers money (more debt) for the too big to fail and war but less for joe public and small bussiness. fact ! we are all in the same boat ! why are you attacking me ? in who's interest's do you serve ? us ? come on. regards.
loon

sorry Gulson but that's what I think
You're a fine one to request hard evidence. You've never yet produced any evidence to support the conspiracy theories you constantly repeat in these forums, despite repeated requests to do so.
In who's interest do YOU serve?
the comediens? lol

It would be funny - if I could read it. No (or random) punctuation, precious few breaks and poor spelling makes it both difficult and unpleasant to read. He can't be bothered to write correctly (can't remember if dyslexia is a feature here but this site has a spell checker and common sense says put gaps in to break up a solid paragraph) so I can't be bothered to read it. If a person wants their point to be understood (if not accepted), it is their responsiblity to make it understandable.

7 Apr 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
It would be funny - if I could read it. No (or random) punctuation, precious few breaks and poor spelling makes it both difficult and unpleasant to read. He can't be bothered to write correctly (can't remember if dyslexia is a feature here but this site has a spell checker and common sense says put gaps in to break up a solid paragraph) so I can't be bothered to read it. If a person wants their point to be understood (if not accepted), it is their responsiblity to make it understandable.

Even more if not just as annoying are those who do have the intelligence to string a whole sentence together, clearly have a view which would be interesting to read but for some unknown reason continue to issue nothing more than inane drivel!

7 Apr 2011

I think this example goes some way to explaining the cynicism of myself and others.......here we have a government who are more than happy to write off 1 billion of unpaid illegally avoided tax in favour of clawing it back from benefits claimants. And Vodaphone are far from alone in their efforts to tread the line between legal and illegal
I have no doubt the majority will be found eligible for the benefits they claim, I have no doubt some will be found to be borderline cases lose their benefits and suffer,I have no doubt many will suffer a great deal of stress and have their conditions exacerbated by this....I have no doubt that many would be found eligible for benefits they do not claim if anyone cared to investigate that (they wont)
This government (they are not the first) are fishing for minnows in order to feed the sharks that they are so afraid of upsetting.
im always interested by the fact everyone seems to look at the banks as the masters,
when it was normal people and the high demand for thier money that caused the ultimate collapse of northern rock
Benefits cheats are smoke and mirrors waved at you to hide the real leeches cheats thieves and scumbags who will take any action to avoid paying their dues to the society they bleed dry...they are the real scum not some bloke down the road who gets fifty quid he shouldn't .And the real joke ?? the real tragedy.....nearly every other poster on this topic thinks the government are being reasonable......absolute fucking joke.....I'd be pissing myself if it wasn't so pathetic
lets hope that the banks and the likes of vodaphone are next then.
but on another note anyone who buys cheap baccie or knock of dvd`s and fake goods are no different to the banks or such like

7 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
snip
so back the benefit reforms then

Yes, and as always, waiting for that special explanation from Ben....
was that not something you got when you was an apprentice ..........................A long wait/weight lol

7 Apr 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
It would be funny - if I could read it. No (or random) punctuation, precious few breaks and poor spelling makes it both difficult and unpleasant to read. He can't be bothered to write correctly (can't remember if dyslexia is a feature here but this site has a spell checker and common sense says put gaps in to break up a solid paragraph) so I can't be bothered to read it. If a person wants their point to be understood (if not accepted), it is their responsiblity to make it understandable.

its just not that easy Foxy
i really wish it was ,whilst i endeavor to use the spell checker punctuation is something i struggle with and find almost impossible
to the point i regularly find it easier to just use new sentences
The reason :
at junior school i was given a pencil in my right hand and made to write the alphabet over and over again, day in, day out
which was OK but i was left handed !!! (apparently my crime )
when i arrived at senior school not only was i miles behind but back then there was no extra help
so i was looked upon as someone that couldn`t be bothered to learn grammar and not someone who didn`t have a clue or understanding of how to use it
other users of the forums may have similar stories and reasons wink

7 Apr 2011

There's a good book I can recommend which is quite entertaining too called Eats Shoots and Leaves. You might find time to read it.
My Dad was ambidextrous. He could write just as well with with his right hand as he could with his left although he was predominantly left handed. He was no scholar and I doubt he stayed in school past his 14th birthday but he had an immense talent for making the very best of everything he did and in life, that's all that people should ask of you.

7 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
Even more if not just as annoying are those who do have the intelligence to string a whole sentence together, clearly have a view which would be interesting to read but for some unknown reason continue to issue nothing more than inane drivel!

which makes the exclusion of some that was prepared to debate their point even more frustrating
thanks for the heads up on the book btw gnv wink

7 Apr 2011

yw :thumbup:
BTW, apologies for not getting the punctuation correct! It should be Eats, Shoots and Leaves pmsl