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Quote by kentswingers777
But it stinks. And smoker's breath stinks. As does their hair and clothes. I know - both my parents smoked like chimneys, my ex smoked for years. Kissing him was yuk.
My Mum stopped about 6 years ago - in the January. She opened the wardrobe she kept her summer clothes in later that year and was horrified that the clothes in there reeked of old smoke. She asked me if she had always smelled like that - I could only be honest - yes she did.
And, daft child that I was, I did try it at 15. It tasted vile. OK, it gives an effect like any other drug, but I never saw how it was worth it. And those women smoking 'elegantly'? It's only elegant to some. To others it's ugly.

Ah well I think someone who has had an Indian curry the night before, their breath stinks.
Their clothes reek of curry or the person who has chomped on some garlic the night before.
I went on a train last week and stood next to a guy whose breath bloody stunk of curry...not nice at all.
So smoking is not the only thing that makes you smell.
sex makes you smell as well.... boink
Quote by Ms_Whips
Whips....do you drive a car? Thought so.
So what about someone saying to you how much your car pollutes, and can you stop as they walk everywhere, so why do you pollute and have others breath in your car fumes, that do not drive?
You do not smoke..hey you don't like the smell, but there are plenty of things " apparently " that pollute and can kill us....If you believe in the climate change/ global warming stuff.
Now you can go anywhere you like without having to sit next to a smoker...so where,s ya problem now?
I see you did not answer my question about....would you pay more in tax out of your pay packet to subsidise the lost revenue?
As that ain't going to happen every single non smoker would of course say " yes of course I would " yeah right and there is a big pink flying piggy over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

actually, no i personally don't drive a car as yet.
yes i think that alot of people could cut down on how much they use their cars too. it annoys me that people get the car out to go to the shops or take the kids 100 yards up the road to school. you will be pleased to know that i walked my son to school everyday. 4 miles in total wink
as usual kent you pick and choose what you want to hear from what someone says. you haven't comented on the fact that i don't actually have a problem with smokers. nore do i have a problem choosing to be with them while they smoke. but don't bang on about your rights at the expence of mine and then call others hypocrites.
someone close to me smokes, cherry tobacco actually that i like the smell of. especially when the packet is first opened. i also don't mind kissing someone who has been smoking. i lived with an ex who was/is a smoker. but you asked certain questions and i answered them with my opinion. most smokers never like the answers non smokers give and it's as simple as that.
as for tax, it won't just come from my wages, they would use it as an excuse to put everything up. do i care? i don't know because i have no idea how much it would effect me. i'd rather pay extra taxes to cover the loss from not smoking than pay for the queen and alot of other crap we pay for biggrin
whips
That answer does work both ways ya know.
I think you will find your comment about the Queen comes from somebody that possibly has no idea how much money the Queen actually brings to the table.
Now if you was possibly talking about the " others " then yes I would agree but....the Queen? Come on she is worth her weight in gold to England, and like her or not what a fantastic ambassador she is to this country.
I cannot be bothered to find out how much she actually costs us per person, but it is pennies really compared to as you say some of the other crap we pay for....care to name any? :wink:
innocent
After all what we read about serious crimes going unpunished, and the powers that be bleating on about not jailing people because the jails are full, we now have this...

I can just imagine his local council hounding this guy, and not letting it drop as they want an example made of him.
I hear all the time about people like a dog owner whose dog attacks another dog, or a drug addict who has stolen money from charity tins, or a bloke pissing on a war memorial, all NOT going to jail for crimes that should have seen them sent to prison but....now I see a guy jailed for six months, yes not a suspended term but a proper sentence, for failing to pay a fine for letting people smoke in his pub.
Hardly serious in the wider scheme of things in 2010 is it?
Yes he has broken the law but I have listed just three of hundreds of examples, where people should have been jailed but were not yet....they jail someone for non payment of a fine for allowing his customers to smoke.
Fecking typical mad liberal leftie Britain....in 2010
Quote by kentswingers777
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I hear all the time about people like a dog owner whose dog attacks another dog, or a drug addict who has stolen money from charity tins, or a bloke pissing on a war memorial, all NOT going to jail for crimes that should have seen them sent to prison but....now I see a guy jailed for six months, yes not a suspended term but a proper sentence, for failing to pay a fine for letting people smoke in his pub.
Fecking typical mad liberal leftie Britain....in 2010

Not sure, dog on dog crime is a jailable offences really dunno
Possibly the drug addict is.....
But the pissing on war memorial, is not a jailable offence, only one punishment fits this crime
Quote by kentswingers777
Anything that reduces the amount of smokers should happen.........whether they like it or not.
Maybe one day in the future this country will become a smoke free island
Dave_Notts

Obviously that comes from a smoker? Thought not?

Been away for a while and just read this so sorry for not replying before.
To answer your question, yes I am a smoker. Do I still stand by my statement........yes I do.
It will be nice in the future to see a non-smoking UK. The health of the country will increase dramatically. I believe that one day it will be non-smoking. Nowt to do with the laws or bans or ASH or any of that. I believe that people have now been given the information on how much of a killer cigarettes are. Since the 50's the rate of smoking has been dropping by about 10% per decade. So by the end of the century there will be a very small section who still smoke, so a total ban will be possible.
Dave_Notts
Well Davey I am sure that when these nosey parkers are finished with the cigarette industry and are then bored, they will no doubt move onto the harm drink does.
Or....the harm the car does.
Let people make their own minds up used to be a fantastic trait of the UK, until Nanny took over.
Yep. Totally agree that people should be able to do what they want when they want as long as it does not affect someone elses enjoyment to do what they want and where they want.
The pub and smoking industry have only themselves to blame for this predicament that we find ourselves in. They were asked to bring in a voluntary code in the 1990's. What did they do.......produced a blue sign that read smoking allowed everywhere on this establishment. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot with that.......they took their whole leg off.
Anyway, the law has not stopped me smoking........just stopped my smoke from harming others that do not want to be harmed by my smoke. Whats wrong with that? I can smoke and they can breathe without getting ill. Looks good to me
Dave_Notts
Might be a good idea then to stop driving as well....just in case you knock someone over. Can't take chances now can we?
Do not want to injure someone whilst out driving.
:jagsatwork:
Not everyone kills someone when they drive, yet secondhand smoke kills. Not a good comparison IMO
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
Not everyone kills someone when they drive, yet secondhand smoke kills. Not a good comparison IMO
Dave_Notts

Or driving is actually useful... etc...
Quote by jdwxxx
Not everyone kills someone when they drive, yet secondhand smoke kills. Not a good comparison IMO
Dave_Notts

Or driving is actually useful... etc...
But not essential.
Quote by kentswingers777

Or driving is actually useful... etc...

But not essential.
Driving is essential given the state of our public transport system and rail infrastructure. If the internal combustion engine were to be banned tomorrow then society would be in trouble - no food deliveries, many people unable to get to work etc. If smoking were to be banned tomorrow it would only affect smokers, not society as a whole.
Quote by kentswingers777
Not everyone kills someone when they drive, yet secondhand smoke kills. Not a good comparison IMO
Dave_Notts

Or driving is actually useful... etc...
But not essential.
It is for me.............I am knackered after too many fags lol
Dave_Notts
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Ban smokers from smoking in their cars and watch the rise in road rage! :giggle:
Quote by Dirtygirly
Ban smokers from smoking in their cars and watch the rise in road rage! :giggle:

Very true. biggrin
I have no interest in people smoking in their cars - apart from lighting up and such like which is a distraction from driving. And there are plenty of drivers out there barely managing to drive in a straight line as it is without any extra distractions. But the same applies to unwrapping sweets, fiddling with the satnav/cd player or (my personal bug-bear) putting make-up on.
But what really makes me angry is seeing an adult in a car puffing away with some poor kid in the back being slowly kippered by the smoke. There is no way that is acceptable. And opening the window isn't much help. Smoking in a vehicle that is carrying children shouldn't NEED to be banned - but if it was I would support it. And I'm not just pontificating here - both may parents smoked and us 3 kids lived in a fug of smelly smoke at home and in the car.
They did stop eventually - my Dad when it killed him, and my Mum when she was in here 70's (Thanks a bunch Mum!).
Thinking about it - the child will be in a child safety seat (more often than not), belted in and protected from danger. So why does the parent - for whom the safety and health of their child should be paramount - then light up? I don't get it. dunno
Quote by foxylady2209
Ban smokers from smoking in their cars and watch the rise in road rage! :giggle:

Very true. biggrin
I have no interest in people smoking in their cars - apart from lighting up and such like which is a distraction from driving. And there are plenty of drivers out there barely managing to drive in a straight line as it is without any extra distractions. But the same applies to unwrapping sweets, fiddling with the satnav/cd player or (my personal bug-bear) putting make-up on.
But what really makes me angry is seeing an adult in a car puffing away with some poor kid in the back being slowly kippered by the smoke. There is no way that is acceptable. And opening the window isn't much help. Smoking in a vehicle that is carrying children shouldn't NEED to be banned - but if it was I would support it. And I'm not just pontificating here - both may parents smoked and us 3 kids lived in a fug of smelly smoke at home and in the car.
They did stop eventually - my Dad when it killed him, and my Mum when she was in here 70's (Thanks a bunch Mum!).
Thinking about it - the child will be in a child safety seat (more often than not), belted in and protected from danger. So why does the parent - for whom the safety and health of their child should be paramount - then light up? I don't get it. dunno
No idea... I'm not a parent but I don't smoke in my flat, not solely because of my pet but I certainly don't want him to have breathe in my smoke. I think I'm quite a considerate smoker. I don't have a car any more but when I did, I didn't smoke in it when there were non smokers in it. Just as I wouldn't go into someone else's house and smoke. The smoking ban was in force up here long before it was down there so I've been used to being forced to smoke outside since that started although I've always smoked outside so it's not really something that's worried me.
If they ban smoking in cars then it will be an inconvenience if I'm ever driving anywhere t have to stop somewhere but it's not the end of the world. I am serious about the road rage thing though... it will become a problem.
Ban smoking whilst driving because it distracts the drivers attention?
Ok then if they do that then how about banning;
All sound systems /Singing in the vehicle
'Hands free' phone use whilst driving
Any Talking to / Distraction of the driver by passengers (just like on the buses)
Any manoever, whilst driving, which means not having both hands on the wheel to do it.
Changing gear or changing a cd / radio station is no different a distraction that lighting a fag.
Furthermore,
Install Tachographs linked to Police computers so we can't drive too much without a break and microphones to allow the police to 'tune' in to any car they may be following to see if they can nail you with a money spinning fine and points on your licence.
Where does it all end?
I stopped going to pubs when the smoking ban came in and now i couldn't care less if every pub and club in the UK closed up for good.
I find the sight of drunken people as disgusting in public as non smokers find the sight or smell of someone smoking.
I bet the majority of non smoking drinkers don't want all the pubs to close .
Why would any smoker support them though?
Quote by Rob_hood
Ban smoking whilst driving because it distracts the drivers attention?

This seems to be the reason that the ban should come in. Has anyone seen any figures to show an increased rise in vehicle accidents whilst smoking...........or is it a case of "They could be distracted"?
If it is the latter then the charges of careless or dangerous driving should do IMO
Dave_Notts
Install Tachographs linked to Police computers so we can't drive too much without a break

Would "linked to the VOSA computers" do ?
Trucks with digital tachos are linked to the VOSA system.
Every 28 days there is a download of the detail held on the tacho.
Soon to be from a car ?
smoking in cars..is technically already banned. the highway code states that you should have two hands on the wheel at all times, apart from when changeing gear. I remember reading one guy one guy was told off by police for eating an apple, whilst driving, as he didn't have adequate control of the vehicle.
Personally...I don't have a problem....as long as its your car. If its a work vehicle and other people have to use that vehicle after you...then I think no you should not.
Quote by deancannock
If its a work vehicle and other people have to use that vehicle after you...then I think no you should not.

Its already banned
Dave_Notts
Not in my van it is not. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Not in my van it is not. lol

Quote by The Law
"Smoke free" vehicles
The law will require any vehicle that is used by more than one person in the course of
paid or voluntary work to be "smoke free." Smoke free vehicles will have to display no smoking signs in the passenger compartment. It will be illegal to smoke in them at any
time – not just when there is more than one person in the vehicle. Work vehicles do not
have to be smoke free if they are exclusively used by a single driver who never carries
passengers in the course of paid or voluntary work.

The reference is
BTW reformed smokers are always the worst :grin:
which is wot I is
Quote by GnV
Not in my van it is not. lol

Quote by The Law
"Smoke free" vehicles
The law will require any vehicle that is used by more than one person in the course of
paid or voluntary work to be "smoke free." Smoke free vehicles will have to display no smoking signs in the passenger compartment. It will be illegal to smoke in them at any
time – not just when there is more than one person in the vehicle. Work vehicles do not
have to be smoke free if they are exclusively used by a single driver who never carries
passengers in the course of paid or voluntary work.

The reference is
BTW reformed smokers are always the worst :grin:
which is wot I is
Oh arn't they just.
Quote by kentswingers777
Not in my van it is not. lol

Nor mine, and I am a non smoker!
Sod em I say........ lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Sod em I say........ lol

Absolutely.........as the legislation is self governing you will find that the majority of "smoke police" have had their 1 year contracts terminated. Councils mostly react to complaints.........or if someone is daft enough to do it so openly that they are caught. More chance of being struck by lightening...........but shhhhhhhhh don't tell the Sun......they think there are cameras out there looking for a smoker having a crafty fag :lol:
Dave_Notts
How true is that Davey. The cameras will not be used to catch REAL criminals, oh no that is too much like hard work. Catch the smokers and the people who park in a car park and their ticket had run out five minutes ago.
Target people who stray into bus lanes with a 100 quid fine. Put speed cameras in places where people are bound to get caught.
This country is taking us all for total mugs, and us Brits on the whole roll over like little lap dogs and take it.
I SMOKE in my unit...I SMOKE in my van, and nobody or nothing will ever make me stop.
It is MY unit which I pay 15 grand a year for,plus 5 grand in business rates, which btw I get nothing at all for that. It is MY van that I pay for and tax and insure and MOT.
Bollox to all the little twats out there with their little clip boards waiting to pounce on the motorist or the smoker....I bet they sleep very well at night too....well they would, they work for the local councils!!