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Quote by kentswingers777
I just bought a new car. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I shall smoke in my new car provided I'm not carrying non-smoking passengers.
Should a law be brought in to prevent smoking in my own vehicle, I've come to the conclusion that I'll do the crime and take the consequences.
So there! :mrgreen:

Tut tut.........you law breaker you. wink
Oh I've never said I don't break the law! :wink:
*lights up in her own home* :twisted:
Quote by Dirtygirly
I just bought a new car. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I shall smoke in my new car provided I'm not carrying non-smoking passengers.
Should a law be brought in to prevent smoking in my own vehicle, I've come to the conclusion that I'll do the crime and take the consequences.
So there! :mrgreen:

Tut tut.........you law breaker you. wink
Oh I've never said I don't break the law! :wink:
*lights up in her own home* :twisted:
I never said you did. :wink:
The very people who lobby for this kind of legislation are all non smokers, or worse ex smokers.
I hate ex smokers cos they are without doubt the most double faced of all.
IF it became law you can bet there will be council officials on every street corner with their little clip boards, taking pictures for the purpose of sending someone a fixed penalty charge.
The Gestapo is alive and well out there.........you have been warned. :wink:
I don't need the law. No-one smokes in my car or my house. Under any circumstances.
I don't think smoking in cars needs to be banned, but I do feel smoking around children, especially in enclosed areas including cars, should be. It's unfair on them - it's not like they generally get a choice and can get out of the car and walk away, like adults can.
Now, I think smoking is bonkers, the smell alone is revolting and I should be able to shop, drink, eat in public without being affected by it - BUT I know I have no right to tell others to stop if it only affects them and others who can choose whether to suffer or not. Those who can't choose should be protected. That is principally children.
Well lets ban the car as well then?
It pollutes which surely does not help children walking to school, or those with bad asthma...it kills on a daily basis.
Where the heck does one draw the line on things that are bad for you?
I agree completely about not smoking in a car with kids in it, or smoking in a house with young children, but surely a level of common sense should prevail as well?
Quote by foxylady2209
I don't need the law. No-one smokes in my car or my house. Under any circumstances.
I don't think smoking in cars needs to be banned, but I do feel smoking around children, especially in enclosed areas including cars, should be. It's unfair on them - it's not like they generally get a choice and can get out of the car and walk away, like adults can.
Now, I think smoking is bonkers, the smell alone is revolting and I should be able to shop, drink, eat in public without being affected by it - BUT I know I have no right to tell others to stop if it only affects them and others who can choose whether to suffer or not. Those who can't choose should be protected. That is principally children.

I couldn't agree more. It's all about choice. I don't inflict my smoking on anyone else. I smoke outside, I don't smoke in my flat (I hang out the window) and I wouldn't smoke in my car if there are non-smokers in it. I'd never dream of smoking around children or animals. My pet doesn't suffer, nor should he. I'm sure lots of people do smoke around their kids and pets, it's just not for me.
I don't use my phone in the car, I completely agree with that law. However, smoking in my car is my choice. It doesn't affect my ability to drive nor am I forcing anyone to smoke passively. I'm not sure how the authorities could possibly enforce that since they don't seem to do a very good job with the mobile phone issue. I see people on a daily basis driving whilst on the phone.
Cars have a purpose, they are pretty well essential for most people at least some of the time. Yes, there is a long way to got to reduce the pollution they create. And ideally reduce the dependency on them - most of us could walk or cycle more often.
But equating smoking with car driving is missing the point. Smoking has zero positive aspects - apart from people feel better with the nicotine - but that is just satisfying the chemical addiction. OK there is a tax argument but I think that hardly outweighs the health benefits people obtain when they stop smoking. I'm not talking a money trade-off here - just how people feel.
I don't think there is a line as such that we can draw. It's about balancing risk, cost, benefit and all that. There is no ideal world (outside of our imaginations), but we can work on making this one the best for all.
Quote by kentswingers777
I just bought a new car. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I shall smoke in my new car provided I'm not carrying non-smoking passengers.
Should a law be brought in to prevent smoking in my own vehicle, I've come to the conclusion that I'll do the crime and take the consequences.
So there! :mrgreen:

Tut tut.........you law breaker you. wink
Oh I've never said I don't break the law! :wink:
*lights up in her own home* :twisted:
I never said you did. :wink:
The very people who lobby for this kind of legislation are all non smokers, or worse ex smokers.
I hate ex smokers cos they are without doubt the most double faced of all.
IF it became law you can bet there will be council officials on every street corner with their little clip boards, taking pictures for the purpose of sending someone a fixed penalty charge.
The Gestapo is alive and well out there.........you have been warned. :wink:
is an ex smoker and fully support your rights to smoke
even in pubs
i no longer like the smell but thats my choice but there was never no barbed wire stopping anyone from leaving if they didnt like it
Quote by GnV
I'm sure some brainbox will come up with the research, but the burning question is...
Is the amount of tax and duty collected on smoking equal to, in excess of or less than the (perceived) amount of money spent providing care to those with tobacco related illness?

Tax from fags = 8.1 Billion ( )
NHS spending on cigarette related illness = 1.7 Billion ( )
These figures are from 2008 so in reality, the amount of tax will have increased but the money spent on smoking related illness has in all likelyhood gone down, if only slightly (less older people who smoked their whole lives, less people smoking since the smoking ban)
The reality is that if they made smoking illegal as many people would like, this country would be even more on it's knees than it is now.
Let me ask those who want it made illegal. Would you be happy to pay the deficit in your yearly tax bill? No, I thought not. In 2008 there were approx 61383000 (children under 16 represented 1 in 5 of those figures) divide 8.1 billion between the figure of people in the UK and thats a scary figure. You'd either be taxed more or spending would be cut further, or more likely a combination of both to recoup the money, whichever, they are both scary thoughts.
Smoking was banned in Pubs & workplaces - fair enough. I happen to agree to a point with this.
I do however, object to getting filthy looks from non smokers for smoking in the street. Where the hell else am I supposed to do it? If you don't like it, dont fecking walk 5 inches from where i'm smoking!!!

Well it seems the " hate smokers lobby " have failed in their attempts to ban smoking outside pubs.
What do these people want ffs?
Smokers pay millions of pounds every year into the Governments coffers ( or should that be coughers lol ).
Yet they treat smokers like lepers....still I bet they enjoy their big fat cigars in the Mother of all Parliaments eh?? Also continue to be able to drink 24/7 where the rest of the public will soon have that restriction taken away....seems fair eh?
Quote by kentswingers777

Well it seems the " hate smokers lobby " have failed in their attempts to ban smoking outside pubs.
What do these people want ffs?
Smokers pay millions of pounds every year into the Governments coffers ( or should that be coughers lol ).
Yet they treat smokers like lepers....still I bet they enjoy their big fat cigars in the Mother of all Parliaments eh?? Also continue to be able to drink 24/7 where the rest of the public will soon have that restriction taken away....seems fair eh?

no more so than motorists who make significant contributions to the public purse...
Quote by GnV

Well it seems the " hate smokers lobby " have failed in their attempts to ban smoking outside pubs.
What do these people want ffs?
Smokers pay millions of pounds every year into the Governments coffers ( or should that be coughers lol ).
Yet they treat smokers like lepers....still I bet they enjoy their big fat cigars in the Mother of all Parliaments eh?? Also continue to be able to drink 24/7 where the rest of the public will soon have that restriction taken away....seems fair eh?

no more so than motorists who make significant contributions to the public purse...
Motor cars pollute far more wink