Now do not get me wrong here....I am a smoker and agree with some of the new laws that have been brought in over the last 12 months.
But stopping people from smoking at the wheel of your car or in your own home, surely is a step too far?
" But Tory MP Philip Davies said: ‘Given that people are well aware of the dangers of smoking, the Government should let people decide for themselves what they want to do".
Sounds like a very sensible approach to me but, as we have a Nanny state that seems to take away peoples FREE choices now, this will no doubt get backing and become law.
The idea that " hiding " fags uinder the counter will make them less attractive is a notion made up by a twat ( with an A ). Shows like Corrie and Eastenders watched by millions of people and no doubt a few million of those will be impressionable kids, should they not be looking more into stopping that on tv instead?
I cannot understand how having them on display in a shop makes them attractive to kids....sweets are far more attractive in a shop. Kids see it on the telly everyday so surely that is a place the Government should look at?
I kinow there will be a split on these new measures, the non smokers thinking it is great and a lot of smokers thinking it is going too far. I am in agreement as a smoker that some of the things they have done is a benefit, but I think things are now going a step too far.
The very people who are making these new laws are massive anti smokers themselves, so I believe have their own agendas. The smoking ban in pubs and clubs I agreed with but it should not have been a blanket ban, smokers should have been given some choice here as we live in a free society.....apparently.
The comment " Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson said: 'We must keep pushing hard for a tobacco free future and keep up the momentum gained by England going smoke-free in 2007 ", is all well and good but....why do they just not ban the sale of them in the UK? Revenue that is why.
They are always quick to spout the ammount the NHS spends on treating smokers, but are never equally as quick to say how much money is paid to the Government via tax on them, which I did see once is more taken in than taken out. Why do they never publish those figures?
Yes we should have laws to protect our children from smoking but I think they are now going too far. Proper school education like most things is a great way to start, not by inflicting draconian laws on people that choose to smoke.
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Sex God
They should make it illegal to smoke while driving. if you can be fined for eating while driving, using a phone while driving, blowing your nose while driving (or sat in traffic, out of gear with the handrake on 
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i watched some idiot driving down the Aston Expressway at 50 last week, leaning over to the passenger seat to light a fag off his mates lighter, i don't see the sense in allowing people to hold a burning stick in their hand while driving several tonnes of metal at high speed :doh:
If they wish to let their passengers smoke in the car, thats fine, same with smoking in your own home (as long as you don't have your brats breathing in the fumes).
) then smoking while driving should be banned too.i watched some idiot driving down the Aston Expressway at 50 last week, leaning over to the passenger seat to light a fag off his mates lighter, i don't see the sense in allowing people to hold a burning stick in their hand while driving several tonnes of metal at high speed :doh:
If they wish to let their passengers smoke in the car, thats fine, same with smoking in your own home (as long as you don't have your brats breathing in the fumes).
Yes a good point there Gnv. But as usual it is " do as we say and not as we do ".
Yes I also fully understand the smoking whilst driving.
I when I am out on me bike see car drivers trying to light their cigs up whilst driving, and yes have to agree that it is just as distracting as talking on a mobile is.
Yes I also fully understand the smoking whilst driving.
I when I am out on me bike see car drivers trying to light their cigs up whilst driving, and yes have to agree that it is just as distracting as talking on a mobile is.
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Yes a good point there Gnv. But as usual it is " do as we say and not as we do ".
Yes I also fully understand the smoking whilst driving.
I when I am out on me bike see car drivers trying to light their cigs up whilst driving, and yes have to agree that it is just as distracting as talking on a mobile is.
I guess you must use a blow lamp to light yours whilst out on your bike :smoke:
Sex God
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Perhaps the lawmakers themselves should set the first example by banning smoking within the precincts of the Palace of Westminster...
Sex God
I don't think it should be made illegal to smoke in a car any more than it is now.
Smoking is a stimulant and that in itself can be a positive whilst driving can it not? nicotine taking 7 seconds from lung to brain and increasing neuro activity or something. Lighting a cigarette is possibly the only piece of the act of smoking I can see being worthy of comment in being unsafe otherwise its about time to leave people alone in my mind
Oh and bring back smoking in pubs please. I'm not a smoker but I miss it.
Smoking is a stimulant and that in itself can be a positive whilst driving can it not? nicotine taking 7 seconds from lung to brain and increasing neuro activity or something. Lighting a cigarette is possibly the only piece of the act of smoking I can see being worthy of comment in being unsafe otherwise its about time to leave people alone in my mind
Oh and bring back smoking in pubs please. I'm not a smoker but I miss it.
Sex God
I am a none smoker and also hate smoke free pubs.
Smoking has already been over legislated, and now needs leaving alone. So far all the attempts to deter young smokers have been ill conceived, and done the exact opposite.
My personal feelings are, that I have had quite enough of the nanny state, and what I see as Labours over zealous approach curbing our activity's
Smoking has already been over legislated, and now needs leaving alone. So far all the attempts to deter young smokers have been ill conceived, and done the exact opposite.
My personal feelings are, that I have had quite enough of the nanny state, and what I see as Labours over zealous approach curbing our activity's
Quote by Bluefish2009
I am a none smoker and also hate smoke free pubs.
Smoking has already been over legislated, and now needs leaving alone. So far all the attempts to deter young smokers have been ill conceived, and done the exact opposite.
My personal feelings are, that I have had quite enough of the nanny state, and what I see as Labours over zealous approach curbing our activity's
Agreed, about much of the State's way of dealing with things, but it's not just Labour that get it wrong.
Plim :sad:
Sex God
Quote by Plimboy
I am a none smoker and also hate smoke free pubs.
Smoking has already been over legislated, and now needs leaving alone. So far all the attempts to deter young smokers have been ill conceived, and done the exact opposite.
My personal feelings are, that I have had quite enough of the nanny state, and what I see as Labours over zealous approach curbing our activity's
Agreed, about much of the State's way of dealing with things, but it's not just Labour that get it wrong.
Plim :sad:
No, of course not, but their cock ups are freshest in my mind
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Anything that reduces the amount of smokers should happen.........whether they like it or not.
Maybe one day in the future this country will become a smoke free island
Dave_Notts
Obviously that comes from a smoker? Thought not? Used to be a smoker? Probably.
Next you will want us to be a car free Island or....a drink free Island.
What about peoples RIGHT to smoke? Or would you like that taken away as well?
I doubt though if you want to be a car or drink free Island as you probably do both of them, and that would affect you.
Remember apparently 8 yes 8 million people smoke in this country.....why should that many people have their right to smoke taken away, just because others do not like it?
There are plenty of people out there who get pissed and cause havoc every weekend and cost the NHS billions of pounds, but I do not ask for drink to be banned, only the sale of it more controlled....which it is.
The same with fags....take some action to try and stop kiods from smoking, but that ain't gonna happen, and allowing soaps to shows big stars smoking does not help.
IF they banned smoking you would be ok for them to increase taxes to make up the shortfall of tax from smokers? Probably not.
Rights and freedom of speech in this country is slowly being eroded...soon we will just be told what to do over everything, you will moan though when they try and do that over something that you like to do though.
I understand why new laws are being brought in and agree with some of them but that does not mean we have to be treated like lepers!! They are fecking quick enough to take our taxes on it though....hypocrits!
Nobody has taken away their right to smoke, just their right to smoke where they like and when they like: Within a workplace environment.
You can still smoke down the pub, just not inside the pub. You can still smoke in your car, just not if it is used for work and carries others beside yourself (you are all forgetting that the no-smoking-in-the-workplace laws also banned smoking in, for instance, your VAN...TRUCK..and BUS...and your company car...if others use it as/are carried within it)
In fact the highly amusing result of the so-called anti-smoking laws was going into the office at work to obtain drawings/etc. and finding both of the "senior managers" away from their desks....out in the yard smoking their disgusting "cigarillos" that they had previously puffed over everyone.
You can still smoke down the pub, just not inside the pub. You can still smoke in your car, just not if it is used for work and carries others beside yourself (you are all forgetting that the no-smoking-in-the-workplace laws also banned smoking in, for instance, your VAN...TRUCK..and BUS...and your company car...if others use it as/are carried within it)
In fact the highly amusing result of the so-called anti-smoking laws was going into the office at work to obtain drawings/etc. and finding both of the "senior managers" away from their desks....out in the yard smoking their disgusting "cigarillos" that they had previously puffed over everyone.
From July 1 2007, it is now illegal to smoke in the workplace in England, as part of new government legislation which was passed in the Health Act 2006. The ban applies to all workplaces and public places, public transport, **work vehicles**, restaurants, pubs, bars, cafes, shopping centres and offices
Whips I understand what you are saying, and the passive smoking thing I have my own belief on that but...I understand about non smokers rights, and lets be fair here you have far more now than you have ever had.
My gripe is the hypocrisy of it all. They take the tax yes always bleat on about how much it costs the NHS....bollox is what I say to that as smokers put in more than they take out, and I saw that in a medical journal somewhere.
We cannot smoke in pubs or clubs....fine. We cannot smoke at our workplace or in the works van/car...fine. Is that not enough?
Local councils in some areas are banning people from smoking outside of pubs on the streets, as it seems some people just drop their fags on the pavement. Now whilst I believe that is true to an extent, I believe it is about over zelous councils.
So it seems that now I can smoke in my car and in my home but....IF they get their way both of those COULD be made illegal. Where the feck does it stop?
IF someone comes into my home and does not smoke they have a simple choice, either do not come in or put up with my smoking. It is my house and I will do as I choose in it.
But even then that is not quite true as IF someone enters my home to say fix an appliance, that becomes their place of work and they could ask me to refrain from smoking.
I would love to know the true figures of ALL the tax they take from smokers over a year, I bet it would be a massive ammount of money yet....treat us like lepers.
I just wish they would stop bleating on about it costs the NHS this or that....lets have the figures of how much we put in as well, but they won't as I think the figures would far outweigh what we take out.
Bottom line here Whips is that you are a non smoker and that is great, but you can go almost anywhere now and be smoke free, so what more do you want?
If they banned it completly would you or others be prepared to cough up the money they will lose through tax, via your paypacket? Probably not.
My gripe is the hypocrisy of it all. They take the tax yes always bleat on about how much it costs the NHS....bollox is what I say to that as smokers put in more than they take out, and I saw that in a medical journal somewhere.
We cannot smoke in pubs or clubs....fine. We cannot smoke at our workplace or in the works van/car...fine. Is that not enough?
Local councils in some areas are banning people from smoking outside of pubs on the streets, as it seems some people just drop their fags on the pavement. Now whilst I believe that is true to an extent, I believe it is about over zelous councils.
So it seems that now I can smoke in my car and in my home but....IF they get their way both of those COULD be made illegal. Where the feck does it stop?
IF someone comes into my home and does not smoke they have a simple choice, either do not come in or put up with my smoking. It is my house and I will do as I choose in it.
But even then that is not quite true as IF someone enters my home to say fix an appliance, that becomes their place of work and they could ask me to refrain from smoking.
I would love to know the true figures of ALL the tax they take from smokers over a year, I bet it would be a massive ammount of money yet....treat us like lepers.
I just wish they would stop bleating on about it costs the NHS this or that....lets have the figures of how much we put in as well, but they won't as I think the figures would far outweigh what we take out.
Bottom line here Whips is that you are a non smoker and that is great, but you can go almost anywhere now and be smoke free, so what more do you want?
If they banned it completly would you or others be prepared to cough up the money they will lose through tax, via your paypacket? Probably not.
Sex God
No smoker on this planet buys fags in order to supply the rest of us with healthcare. So lets forget this nonsense about "if we didn't smoke etc etc etc " that isn't WHY people smoke.
If it was - they could buy the fags and throw them away.
I dislike smoke - I suffer from allergic rhinitis (hay fever except it isnt hay I'm allergic to) - and smoke makes it 10 times worse. Cigarette smoke seems to be particularly unpleasant, along with burning plastic. So you can say I am biassed but bear with me.
But what I have never been able to fathom is why people smoke. OK I know all the arguments about having a right to smoke etc. I have the right to paint my face blue and eat spiders - but I have no desire to do it.
I get how hard it is to stop - I've seen family members try over and over to stop. But why start at all - and once started, why not try every day to stop?
This is an honest question : What is enjoyable about smoking?
If it was - they could buy the fags and throw them away.
I dislike smoke - I suffer from allergic rhinitis (hay fever except it isnt hay I'm allergic to) - and smoke makes it 10 times worse. Cigarette smoke seems to be particularly unpleasant, along with burning plastic. So you can say I am biassed but bear with me.
But what I have never been able to fathom is why people smoke. OK I know all the arguments about having a right to smoke etc. I have the right to paint my face blue and eat spiders - but I have no desire to do it.
I get how hard it is to stop - I've seen family members try over and over to stop. But why start at all - and once started, why not try every day to stop?
This is an honest question : What is enjoyable about smoking?
Sex God
Ban it or accept there are always going to be people upset about smoking for one reason or another.
I've always been curious as to why people are so worried by the health risks involved in smoking and not those that come with..driving,industry,or even barbecues all pump out carcinogens why is smoking so much worse? because it smells? so does shit and we all pump out plenty of that.
Don't be too keen to join the anti-smoking bandwagon your vice is also on the list...whatever it is
P.S. I can't speak for all smokers but the reason I started smoking (I think) was the effect of nicotine...that initial dizzy head rush followed by the easy calm...it's almost worth stopping smoking to restart and get rush back
I've always been curious as to why people are so worried by the health risks involved in smoking and not those that come with..driving,industry,or even barbecues all pump out carcinogens why is smoking so much worse? because it smells? so does shit and we all pump out plenty of that.
Don't be too keen to join the anti-smoking bandwagon your vice is also on the list...whatever it is
P.S. I can't speak for all smokers but the reason I started smoking (I think) was the effect of nicotine...that initial dizzy head rush followed by the easy calm...it's almost worth stopping smoking to restart and get rush back
Sex God
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Ban it or accept there are always going to be people upset about smoking for one reason or another.
I've always been curious as to why people are so worried by the health risks involved in smoking and not those that come with..driving,industry,or even barbecues all pump out carcinogens why is smoking so much worse? because it smells? so does shit and we all pump out plenty of that.
Don't be too keen to join the anti-smoking bandwagon your vice is also on the list...whatever it is
I don't know about you, but I don't shit on the street or in shop doorways.
And my previous question still stands. What is enjoyable about smoking? - I've never had an answer all the times I've asked it.
Sex God
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A felt the draught as you passed.
Sex God
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Ban it or accept there are always going to be people upset about smoking for one reason or another.
I've always been curious as to why people are so worried by the health risks involved in smoking and not those that come with..driving,industry,or even barbecues all pump out carcinogens why is smoking so much worse? because it smells? so does shit and we all pump out plenty of that.
Don't be too keen to join the anti-smoking bandwagon your vice is also on the list...whatever it is
I don't know about you, but I don't shit on the street or in shop doorways.
And my previous question still stands. What is enjoyable about smoking? - I've never had an answer all the times I've asked it.
O.K. bad example....what about fast food shops ? curry houses ? cars? all smell awful to some people, should we ban them? or just learn to live with a few discomforts....the world is not padded with rounded corners and lavender pot pourri bags everywhere...some things kill you others don't, some things are pleasurable others aren't, there is a very blurred line between the two...that's the nature of the world
Whips....do you drive a car? Thought so.
So what about someone saying to you how much your car pollutes, and can you stop as they walk everywhere, so why do you pollute and have others breath in your car fumes, that do not drive?
You do not smoke..hey you don't like the smell, but there are plenty of things " apparently " that pollute and can kill us....If you believe in the climate change/ global warming stuff.
Now you can go anywhere you like without having to sit next to a smoker...so where,s ya problem now?
I see you did not answer my question about....would you pay more in tax out of your pay packet to subsidise the lost revenue?
As that ain't going to happen every single non smoker would of course say " yes of course I would " yeah right and there is a big pink flying piggy over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So what about someone saying to you how much your car pollutes, and can you stop as they walk everywhere, so why do you pollute and have others breath in your car fumes, that do not drive?
You do not smoke..hey you don't like the smell, but there are plenty of things " apparently " that pollute and can kill us....If you believe in the climate change/ global warming stuff.
Now you can go anywhere you like without having to sit next to a smoker...so where,s ya problem now?
I see you did not answer my question about....would you pay more in tax out of your pay packet to subsidise the lost revenue?
As that ain't going to happen every single non smoker would of course say " yes of course I would " yeah right and there is a big pink flying piggy over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
And my previous question still stands. What is enjoyable about smoking? - I've never had an answer all the times I've asked it.
I started smoking as a result of experimentation and found that I enjoyed the experience. Like Staggerlee I enjoyed the dizziness and the buzz that I got from it I also enjoyed the smell/sense of the smoke as I inhaled. Yes, the slight cough was an irritation but that was nothing in comparison to how good I felt smoking. I guess it could be likened, for me, to that first swallow from a good cup of coffee. you know the sort that makes you go Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and close your hands around the mug and enjoy the moment.
I've not smoked now for five years and I miss it like hell. I also used to like to enjoy a little something more exotic very infrequently for very similiar, but maybe more exaggerated, reasons though as that was part of smoking i don't do that either now. I tell you what though, if tomorrow the powers that be we're to say its all been lies this stuff on smoking being dangerous and the price were to drop to 50p/20 i'd start smoking again in the blink of an eye. I know thats not the case and after having seen what came out of my lungs i know that wil never be the case.
Oh and though not really a massive thing with me but with some it is some women smoke with exquisite elegance and can be lovely to watch the mouth form around the end of a cigarette and to see the sensual nature of the smoke release, so again just something that too many may go unnoticed but to others can be a silent erotic language of its own.
Hope that explains something of how I feel about it Foxy though if you've never experienced these things then you will never "get it" I guess.
It of course is a drug and like most drugs you become addicted.
Why did I start? Peer pressure probably, the need to feel big at 13 may have been a factor. The times of the early 70's when cigarette dangers had not really been talked about a huge ammount.
Both my parents smoked which if you look at figures you are much more likely to smoke if one or both parents smoke.
After years of smoking I am fully aware of the dangers of smoking, just like I am fully aware of the dangers of riding a 200mph motorbike.
Risks are everywhere and yes I feel for non smokers when pubs and clubs used to have smoking in them. All that smoke for a non smoker must have been horrid, and then they had very little choice. Well the choice usually was simple....go into a pub or stay at home.
Now though the tables have turned where every club and pub is smoke free, yet they still want more restrictions.
I smoke...I want to smoke and except that I cannot smoke now where I used to be able to, but the thought of some twat telling me I cannot smoke in my house is a step too far, and they can feck off as I smoke in MY works unit and I will smoke in my home and my car whatever the " smoke haters " say.
Why did I start? Peer pressure probably, the need to feel big at 13 may have been a factor. The times of the early 70's when cigarette dangers had not really been talked about a huge ammount.
Both my parents smoked which if you look at figures you are much more likely to smoke if one or both parents smoke.
After years of smoking I am fully aware of the dangers of smoking, just like I am fully aware of the dangers of riding a 200mph motorbike.
Risks are everywhere and yes I feel for non smokers when pubs and clubs used to have smoking in them. All that smoke for a non smoker must have been horrid, and then they had very little choice. Well the choice usually was simple....go into a pub or stay at home.
Now though the tables have turned where every club and pub is smoke free, yet they still want more restrictions.
I smoke...I want to smoke and except that I cannot smoke now where I used to be able to, but the thought of some twat telling me I cannot smoke in my house is a step too far, and they can feck off as I smoke in MY works unit and I will smoke in my home and my car whatever the " smoke haters " say.
Sex God
But it stinks. And smoker's breath stinks. As does their hair and clothes. I know - both my parents smoked like chimneys, my ex smoked for years. Kissing him was yuk.
My Mum stopped about 6 years ago - in the January. She opened the wardrobe she kept her summer clothes in later that year and was horrified that the clothes in there reeked of old smoke. She asked me if she had always smelled like that - I could only be honest - yes she did.
And, daft child that I was, I did try it at 15. It tasted vile. OK, it gives an effect like any other drug, but I never saw how it was worth it. And those women smoking 'elegantly'? It's only elegant to some. To others it's ugly.
My Mum stopped about 6 years ago - in the January. She opened the wardrobe she kept her summer clothes in later that year and was horrified that the clothes in there reeked of old smoke. She asked me if she had always smelled like that - I could only be honest - yes she did.
And, daft child that I was, I did try it at 15. It tasted vile. OK, it gives an effect like any other drug, but I never saw how it was worth it. And those women smoking 'elegantly'? It's only elegant to some. To others it's ugly.
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But it stinks. And smoker's breath stinks. As does their hair and clothes. I know - both my parents smoked like chimneys, my ex smoked for years. Kissing him was yuk.
My Mum stopped about 6 years ago - in the January. She opened the wardrobe she kept her summer clothes in later that year and was horrified that the clothes in there reeked of old smoke. She asked me if she had always smelled like that - I could only be honest - yes she did.
And, daft child that I was, I did try it at 15. It tasted vile. OK, it gives an effect like any other drug, but I never saw how it was worth it. And those women smoking 'elegantly'? It's only elegant to some. To others it's ugly.
Ah well I think someone who has had an Indian curry the night before, their breath stinks.
Their clothes reek of curry or the person who has chomped on some garlic the night before.
I went on a train last week and stood next to a guy whose breath bloody stunk of curry...not nice at all.
So smoking is not the only thing that makes you smell.
Sex God
I started smoking about mid 1970s, not because of any pressure, but purely as a young man showing off. I hated the taste, the dizziness and feeling sick, but the need to show off was greater, so I kept going until I could not cope without it. I kept smoking until January 4 years ago. I do not miss it one bit and never hardly think about it.
Sex God
I think I must agree to differ with all the smokers.
