Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
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Quote by Ben_welshminx
Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
Ben
FFS debate the issues and leave the personal attacks out.....the forum doesn't need it.
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
Well said that man, spoken like a guy who would make every effort to stay in bed rather than spend an extra hour getting to work in the snow when they can get paid to stay home.
Also never seen a farm house half way up Snowdon itself even though have walked it myself on every path wether it be the pyg,miners or many other routes available, oh and did Bangor and surrounding area really get that much snow cos my sister seems to have missed it, however she was busy working in Wrexham in a hospital and not looking out the windows!!!
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
This bit isn't really true at all - this is a snip from an NHS HR mailout:-
We would encourage you not to put yourselves at unnecessary risk and to make considered judgements regarding travel arrangements. In circumstances where an individual can’t attend work or make alternative workplace arrangements, the time off would be considered either as annual leave, TOIL or unpaid.
Our local nurse-led minor injuries unit has 4 nurses on a day shift. The other day, one managed to get to work but slipped and broke her arm en-route. She was in screaming agony for 4 hours because there was no-one to care for her and no ambulances could get through - I spoke to her husband, a friend of ours, and he said that they had got this email at home and they couldn't afford to lose the money. She now won't be able to work or do overtime for about 4 months and all because she tried to get to work. I wouldn't blame anybody for not turning up to work, be they nurses, doctors, police etc. These people are still human beings like everyone else - their bones break, they get ill and suffer all the various problems humans do. Why do some people not understand that and expect them to be at their beck and call every second of the day, no matter what the weather or conditions?
I cannot see any prejudice I am missing something?
So what you are saying is that people should get paid no matter what the reason they cannot get into work?
What about.....sorry my hair drier broke down and cannot possibly leave the house looking like that or....my goldfish died and am soooo upset.
Yes this is the 21st century and apart from one day here, the local buses ran fine, the trains ran fine. People have just used this as an excuse to bunk off of work...simples!
Maybe there should be a new Quango where they study the reasons why people would much rather stay in bed, than try and get into work. It would only take about three days to come to the conclusion in a lot of cases....just cannot be bothered as am going to get paid anyway.
So what you are saying is that people should get paid no matter what the reason they cannot get into work?
What about.....sorry my hair drier broke down and cannot possibly leave the house looking like that or....my goldfish died and am soooo upset.
Yes this is the 21st century and apart from one day here, the local buses ran fine, the trains ran fine. People have just used this as an excuse to bunk off of work...simples!
Maybe there should be a new Quango where they study the reasons why people would much rather stay in bed, than try and get into work. It would only take about three days to come to the conclusion in a lot of cases....just cannot be bothered as am going to get paid anyway.
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Max--I am debating the issue and challenging those who believe they have the right to judge the actions of others based on prejudice.
Jump---
You judge actions that you dont even know I have or haven't taken based on a guess of my geographical location which is a bit silly really innit.
Sorry Ben but the only one showing any prejudice here is you.
We are all aware of your views on the employer/employee relationship but for most of us in the real world it's a fact of life. We work, we get paid for that work. The vast majority of employees are conscientious but there will always be a small minority that swing the lead and that won't change due to the weather. Unfortunately the minority often spoil things for the majority.
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Why is that not right?
Sour grapes?
Green eyed monsters?
Unable to join in the snowball fight so campaign for everyone else's snowballs to be taken off them cos some aren't playing and *pouts* it isn't fair?!
So, short of growing wings and flying there... why should people have to risk their lives to get to work or while at work?
To me, what is not simply right, is the expectation/demands that someone should take unnecessary risks in order to get to/be in work. If the place is closed or you are forced into the situation that you can't get there, why should you not get paid?
I work in the public sector and I had a choice of taking holiday time or unpaid leave when I could not dig my car out of the snow. Apparently it's been decided that staff are highly irresponsible and will shout 'snow-day' at the first sign of a flake (of the snow kind) if they're allowed paid days off in bad weather, so as an incentive to get to work they're made to use their own time or face financial loss.
I'm now contemplating drafting a letter to my manager and the HR department stating that I will pursue legal action if I'm involved in an accident while having undue financial pressure applied to me to attend work in extreme and dangerous conditions, against my better judgement and police advice. Much fucking good it'll do me though. :lol2:
And yes, my grapes are very sour. :rude: :lol2:
I started work when I left school in 1981, In all that time I worked for the same company untill last year when I went self employed doing the same type of work.
Of course this was a carrier choice of mine but in all those years the company I worked for never paid anything for sick pay (above statutory) and if you did not turn up for work you did not get paid, whatever the reason. A small company can not afford to pay some one who is not earning the company money.
And yes, my grapes were also very sour, but still love a day off in the snow with the kids, sadly here in our part of Dorset we have not had enough to close the kids school.
Quote by kentswingers777
I cannot see any prejudice I am missing something?
So what you are saying is that people should get paid no matter what the reason they cannot get into work? Nope
People have just used this as an excuse to bunk off of work...simples! I would argue that such blanket statements are both prejudiced and ill informed and challenge you to provide any supporting evidence other than anecdotes about your minions and sweeping generalisations about various employment sectors.
Quote by Kaznkev
Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
Ben
FFS debate the issues and leave the personal attacks out.....the forum doesn't need it.
Where was the personal attack?For an attack to be personal there has to be a person its aimed at,there is bigotry in various threads,and ingnorance isnt a bad thing ,just the refual to become informed
The attack was aimed at one person and the attacker is not without his own fare share of bigotry.
Quote by kentswingers777
I cannot see any prejudice I am missing something?
So what you are saying is that people should get paid no matter what the reason they cannot get into work?
What about.....sorry my hair drier broke down and cannot possibly leave the house looking like that or....my goldfish died and am soooo upset.
Yes this is the 21st century and apart from one day here, the local buses ran fine, the trains ran fine. People have just used this as an excuse to bunk off of work...simples!
Maybe there should be a new Quango where they study the reasons why people would much rather stay in bed, than try and get into work. It would only take about three days to come to the conclusion in a lot of cases....just cannot be bothered as am going to get paid anyway.
awww, c'mon kent!!
There is no way that is possible.
You and I know full well that a Quango would need at least 3 years initially, just to set the terms of reference
Very good GNV.
Now according to the Telegraph 20 per cent of people failed to show up for work on any given day during the snow.
Now are people here really saying that EVERYONE of those people could not get into work?
Plus whatever anyone says or myself for that matter....employers have NO legal obligation to pay any mermber of staff for being absent because of the snow.
So there you have it.....NO legal comeback if you do not get paid.
Funny how myself and the staff here ALL got into work,even though one employee took two hours to get in for what is usually 20 minutes drive.
Now according to the Telegraph 20 per cent of people failed to show up for work on any given day during the snow.
Now are people here really saying that EVERYONE of those people could not get into work?
Plus whatever anyone says or myself for that matter....employers have NO legal obligation to pay any mermber of staff for being absent because of the snow.
So there you have it.....NO legal comeback if you do not get paid.
Funny how myself and the staff here ALL got into work,even though one employee took two hours to get in for what is usually 20 minutes drive.
Maybe I ran the right sort of company (IT) to allow this, but on such occasions as really bad weather, I would ring our employees and tell them not to come in but to log-in to the server and carry on the work they were doing remotely and to be available to call clients on the phone from home if required.
I do have to say though, it is all well and good HMG bleating on about workers not getting in to work and that employers should still pay them when they (actually GB himself when Chancellor) withdrew the tax incentive on employers and employees alike providing PC's to employees.
Once again, a one-eyed view on the economy by GB.
I do have to say though, it is all well and good HMG bleating on about workers not getting in to work and that employers should still pay them when they (actually GB himself when Chancellor) withdrew the tax incentive on employers and employees alike providing PC's to employees.
Once again, a one-eyed view on the economy by GB.
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Quote by kentswingers777
Very good GNV.
Now according to the Telegraph 20 per cent of people failed to show up for work on any given day during the snow.
Now are people here really saying that EVERYONE of those people could not get into work?
Plus whatever anyone says or myself for that matter....employers have NO legal obligation to pay any mermber of staff for being absent because of the snow.
So there you have it.....NO legal comeback if you do not get paid.
Funny how myself and the staff here ALL got into work,even though one employee took two hours to get in for what is usually 20 minutes drive.
We are all good at some things and bad at others, maybe they are crap at driving in icy condition's or even scared of driving on such roads, one presumes there pay gets docked
Quote by Kaznkev
Meanwhile back in the 21st century:
Every NHS trust has a procedure that enables staff to be paid when they cant get in cos of the weather. And many staff couldn't, certainly around here. So where do we stand on not paying nurses or does that only apply to nurses not the cleaners and does it apply to a consultant neurologist who CHOOSES to live on a farm half way up snowdon and could afford a flat next door to the hospital for the one or two days a year he needs to walk to work?
Wake up and smell the roses and stop spitting bile at wide groups of folk whose personal circumstances you cant even begin to understand given the undoubted bigotry and ignorance exhibited in these and countless other posts.
Ben
FFS debate the issues and leave the personal attacks out.....the forum doesn't need it.
Where was the personal attack?For an attack to be personal there has to be a person its aimed at,there is bigotry in various threads,and ingnorance isnt a bad thing ,just the refual to become informed
The attack was aimed at one person and the attacker is not without his own fare share of bigotry.
No a far as i can see the "attack" was on the people who as a group jump to assumtions about others and use their blinkered world view to make sweeping generalisations
ben biggotted? We have a very different understanding of the term,but as he doesnt need me to defend him ill leave you boys to creating your perfect utopia ,just remember thats never gone that well in the past.
It wouldn't be the first time you have got the wrong end of the stick Kaz
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Were the broken hairdryer and the dead goldfish linked? :uhoh:
Yes as I think the hairdryer was thrown across the room, and then bounced off the door and straight into the goldfish bowl.
The cat then grabbed it and ran off through the cat flap.
I really loved that fish.:grin:
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I think the only reason the schools were shut is coz the teachers still get paid!
Call me a cynic if you wish.
I can think of other words. Cynic is not a synonym for 'ill informed person who assumes the worst of others'.
So ok then awayman.....are you saying that everyone who did not turn up for work had a very real reason why they did not?
Twenty per cent of workers failed to turn up for work on the worst days...that is six million people.
So not one single person looked out of their window and thought, I ain't going to work.
Everyone of those people could not get into work? What six million people?
This happens in the summer months as well when we have had a blistering hot weekend, and the Monday is going to be hot too. People skive off work and head for the coast where they are packed out.
I have seen people admit on the news that they took the opportunity to make the most of the weather and bunk off work. The same has happened in this weather we have had of late.
You would have to be a massive fantasist to think that six million people could under no circumstances get into work, because of the snow. Sorry I am a realist and I know of three people who simply knew they were going to get paid, and decided to stay at home.
You or I cannot possibly know the figures of how many people COULD have got to work quite easily, yet chose not too but....we know some did and that is my point.
A few bad apples always spoils it for others, and that is very simply why Sainsburys as an example, chose not to pay people as they no doubt felt even more people would not turn up for work, if they knew they were going to get paid...or was there some other hidden reason which I cannot work out here?
Quote by kentswingers777
I think the only reason the schools were shut is coz the teachers still get paid!
Call me a cynic if you wish.
I can think of other words. Cynic is not a synonym for 'ill informed person who assumes the worst of others'.
So ok then awayman.....are you saying that everyone who did not turn up for work had a very real reason why they did not?
Twenty per cent of workers failed to turn up for work on the worst days...that is six million people.
So not one single person looked out of their window and thought, I ain't going to work.
Everyone of those people could not get into work? What six million people?
This happens in the summer months as well when we have had a blistering hot weekend, and the Monday is going to be hot too. People skive off work and head for the coast where they are packed out.
I have seen people admit on the news that they took the opportunity to make the most of the weather and bunk off work. The same has happened in this weather we have had of late.
You would have to be a massive fantasist to think that six million people could under no circumstances get into work, because of the snow. Sorry I am a realist and I know of three people who simply knew they were going to get paid, and decided to stay at home.
You or I cannot possibly know the figures of how many people COULD have got to work quite easily, yet chose not too but....we know some did and that is my point.
A few bad apples always spoils it for others, and that is very simply why Sainsburys as an example, chose not to pay people as they no doubt felt even more people would not turn up for work, if they knew they were going to get paid...or was there some other hidden reason which I cannot work out here?
Do you use a stepladder to get on that high horse of yours?
I don;t even know that the 6 million figure being touted on here has any basis in reality. SO let's start from there. Where does the 6 million figure come from, and how was it calculated?
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i like snow its pretty
I like your avatar its sexy
Sex God
Congratulations on posting 4 links to 'news' and not a single one of them is the Daily Mail! ;) 
Ok, what was your question again?
Right, if 20% were missing from work, then 80% were in. So, why is this such an issue?
Bet there is more absenteeism when there is the World Cup match on in the afternoon and England's playing! :lol:
I'd rather my employees phoned me and said 'look I can't get to work because I live over 50 miles away on high ground where I can't get to work blah blah... (whatever their circumstances were)' than lie to me and say 'I'm ill' in order to get paid.
I'd rather pay the honest ones and dock the liars, but then how on earth do I prove they're lying!? :lol: They might have been ill. :lol:
That's why points systems are used by some employers, along with back to work interviews, recording days off next to weather systems etc... there are a big long list that HR can use to monitor patterns to suss out who is and isn't up for disciplinary.
However, that's not the case if your place of work is closed! Are you suggesting people sit on the doorstep for days until it opens? :lol:
Ok, what was your question again?
Right, if 20% were missing from work, then 80% were in. So, why is this such an issue?
Bet there is more absenteeism when there is the World Cup match on in the afternoon and England's playing! :lol:I'd rather my employees phoned me and said 'look I can't get to work because I live over 50 miles away on high ground where I can't get to work blah blah... (whatever their circumstances were)' than lie to me and say 'I'm ill' in order to get paid.
I'd rather pay the honest ones and dock the liars, but then how on earth do I prove they're lying!? :lol: They might have been ill. :lol:That's why points systems are used by some employers, along with back to work interviews, recording days off next to weather systems etc... there are a big long list that HR can use to monitor patterns to suss out who is and isn't up for disciplinary.
However, that's not the case if your place of work is closed! Are you suggesting people sit on the doorstep for days until it opens? :lol:
Quote by kentswingers777
A very wide range of papers and a news channel, came to these figures.
But of course...do not read everything you hear.
Anyway you have not answered my question.
One thing you should do if you link to references is to check when those sources posted that information....
3 out of 4 of those links are from February 2009. Personnel Today, which was the only current one, posted "an estimated 4.3 million" which is meaningless.
You can find this on google, its quite interesting. It would seem that businesses in general suffer more disruption from IT problems than weather and they are pretty shit at managing either contingency. Couldnt find any proper figures for the recent weather but then of course it wasnt very long ago.
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