My whole point here seems to have been missed.
People here have doubted the fact that SOME and that is the word SOME people used the weather as an excuse to bunk off from work.
I do not know how many of the figures quoted did this, but only that SOME of them did.
So a few can spoil it for the rest. I am also fully aware that the majority no doubt could not get into work, for very valid reasons. I cannot understand based on that point how one can be " prejudiced " or one that " assumes the worst of others ". It is a fact!
I merely pointed out that SOME people had skived off work and then used the weather as an excuse, and expected to get paid for it.
The fact it was six million or 3 million is irrelevant....people did it as they will when we get the next heatwave, or possibly next winter.
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My whole point here seems to have been missed.
People here have doubted the fact that SOME and that is the word SOME people used the weather as an excuse to bunk off from work.
I do not know how many of the figures quoted did this, but only that SOME of them did.
So a few can spoil it for the rest. I am also fully aware that the majority no doubt could not get into work, for very valid reasons. I cannot understand based on that point how one can be " prejudiced " or one that " assumes the worst of others ". It is a fact!
I merely pointed out that SOME people had skived off work and then used the weather as an excuse, and expected to get paid for it.
The fact it was six million or 3 million is irrelevant....people did it as they will when we get the next heatwave, or possibly next winter.
So, to sum up.
You don't know how many people were off work, and you haven't quoted a single reliable source that stands up the initial claim of six million people not going to work. I'm not surprised by that, since reliable aggregated workforce data has a time lag of about three months.
Then you use the ultimate cop-out weasel word; some people. No-one can debate with that, because it means whatever you want it to mean. You said it yourself; could be six million, could be three million, omitting the correct statistical rider that it could be any number between zero and infinity because you haven't actually got any data. Some people will be unreasonably absent every day; that's why good employers have absence management policies to address the problem of unauthorized absence.
The idea that your un-evidenced assumptions amount, in your world, to a fact, says it all.
Have a lovely day...
Ok not a single person bunked off work due to the snow.
Sainsburys obviously thought that every member of staff would turn up for work if they said they were going to be paid.
WHEN the correct data comes to light in what was it?....3 months, I will come back to this thread with more accurate figures on how many people did not turn up for work.
But obviously some would think that the likes of Sainsburys and many other employers are " picking " on their staff by not paying them.
Really funny how it seems some employees think that is just so unfair.
Whatever anyone says....loads of people did bunk off work when they could have got into work, yet then moan they want to be paid for throwing snowballs...reality is a different world to fiction!
I will keep the CBI report firmly;y in my favorites for future reference.
Sainsburys obviously thought that every member of staff would turn up for work if they said they were going to be paid.
WHEN the correct data comes to light in what was it?....3 months, I will come back to this thread with more accurate figures on how many people did not turn up for work.
But obviously some would think that the likes of Sainsburys and many other employers are " picking " on their staff by not paying them.
Really funny how it seems some employees think that is just so unfair.
Whatever anyone says....loads of people did bunk off work when they could have got into work, yet then moan they want to be paid for throwing snowballs...reality is a different world to fiction!
I will keep the CBI report firmly;y in my favorites for future reference.
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Ok not a single person bunked off work due to the snow.
Sainsburys obviously thought that every member of staff would turn up for work if they said they were going to be paid.
WHEN the correct data comes to light in what was it?....3 months, I will come back to this thread with more accurate figures on how many people did not turn up for work.
But obviously some would think that the likes of Sainsburys and many other employers are " picking " on their staff by not paying them.
Really funny how it seems some employees think that is just so unfair.
Whatever anyone says....loads of people did bunk off work when they could have got into work, yet then moan they want to be paid for throwing snowballs...reality is a different world to fiction!
I will keep the CBI report firmly;y in my favorites for future reference.
This is a swingers site, not the Daily Mail forum for easily outraged people...
According to you some people bunked off work to go and throw snowballs. You know that in the absence of evidence.
Sainsbury's motives are obscure to me; my guess is they're just a piss poor supermarket with an HR problem - that's certainly the case in my local Sainsbury's, where the staff can barely muster a smile between them. Of course, that's only anecdotal evidence, but it's more than you've brought to the party.
I don't think Sainsbury's are 'picking' on their staff - I think it's just piss poor management. You can achieve much the same outcome by offering to let the staff make up their hours, and you get a happier workforce into the bargain.
Your reality is a weird world where your judgements about human nature and what you believe to be true jar with mine. Funny that, but a swingers site is the last place where people's fuirst response should be to point the finger at others.
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I didn't miss any work at all due to snow,I often miss work because I just can't be bothered to get out of bed...but turn up in bad weather you earn loads of brownie points
Obviously a difference of opinion between an employee and an employer.... Guessing maybe?
Sainsburys took their decision based on many years of bad weather. In their experience staff are more likely to take the days off when bad weather is a factor IF they were to pay them for that absence.
So they gave them the CHOICE....take it as unpaid leave OR make the time up. As an employer of thousands of staff to pay a lot of people those days would cost them a fortune....that is business my friend.
Sainsburys or Tesco's staff could well be miserable because they deem to work for a bad employer but,I have seen miserable lawyers.
This may well be a swingers site but this forum discusses many subjects, and has many views....it is what keeps it as strong as it is.
I think on this subject we have both made our opinions clear...I suppose it is purely a matter of what one believes at the end of the day.
Sainsburys took their decision based on many years of bad weather. In their experience staff are more likely to take the days off when bad weather is a factor IF they were to pay them for that absence.
So they gave them the CHOICE....take it as unpaid leave OR make the time up. As an employer of thousands of staff to pay a lot of people those days would cost them a fortune....that is business my friend.
Sainsburys or Tesco's staff could well be miserable because they deem to work for a bad employer but,I have seen miserable lawyers.
This may well be a swingers site but this forum discusses many subjects, and has many views....it is what keeps it as strong as it is.
I think on this subject we have both made our opinions clear...I suppose it is purely a matter of what one believes at the end of the day.
Well this is just about as bang on the money as you can get...
We are an international joke and I want to know what local councils are doing with OUR money?
Because it certainly is not being used in a positive way to give the people the necessary winter protection which they should be made to do by law.
I can only guess where a lot of MY council tax goes and it is not in my benefit!
We are an international joke and I want to know what local councils are doing with OUR money?
Because it certainly is not being used in a positive way to give the people the necessary winter protection which they should be made to do by law.
I can only guess where a lot of MY council tax goes and it is not in my benefit!
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Well this is just about as bang on the money as you can get...
We are an international joke and I want to know what local councils are doing with OUR money?
Because it certainly is not being used in a positive way to give the people the necessary winter protection which they should be made to do by law.
I can only guess where a lot of MY council tax goes and it is not in my benefit!
Chief Executives will no doubt be paid a massive performance related bonus (on top of their highly exorbitant salaries) for not spending so much on gritting
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Well this is what Kent County Council spend theirs on.
There's a council meeting at the end of February, the public can usually attend and ask questions.
When I get my council tax bill it usually has a leaflet enclosed which shows what the money is spent on. I`m sure it is a legal requirement for the council to show where the money is spent.
Given the highly glossy nature of the leaflets showing such information, is it likely that the printing firms used are "friends" of Labour and making big donations to the party.
Why do they have to waste so much money telling tax payers how efficient they are at spending their (the taxpayers) money
You should come back to blighty more often G, I may be wrong but I don't think labour control any County Councils in England. I think flower is right about there being a statutory obligation to publish the information which I agree is probably a waste of money given the low level of interest in local government many people have. Isn't there an old saying in local government that the only things you can fuck that anyone will care about are the bins?
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Given the highly glossy nature of the leaflets showing such information, is it likely that the printing firms used are "friends" of Labour and making big donations to the party.
Why do they have to waste so much money telling tax payers how efficient they are at spending their (the taxpayers) money
and from what I hear Ben, they can't even get bin collection right!
Here in very Rural France, our bin is collected every week - even when we were suffering with the snow a couple of weeks ago. Our equivalent of Council Tax is less per year than what we paid monthly when we were in the UK.
All the ditches get cleared a couple of times a year by the commune and the grass verges are cut constantly throughout the year.
Refuse collection is perceived by tax payers as an essential service. Cutting back on that service so that they can increase their own salaries and fund quirky black/gay/lesbian one-legged two finger spongers does nothing to endear themselves to the people who pay for it.
Here in very Rural France, our bin is collected every week - even when we were suffering with the snow a couple of weeks ago. Our equivalent of Council Tax is less per year than what we paid monthly when we were in the UK.
All the ditches get cleared a couple of times a year by the commune and the grass verges are cut constantly throughout the year.
Refuse collection is perceived by tax payers as an essential service. Cutting back on that service so that they can increase their own salaries and fund quirky black/gay/lesbian one-legged two finger spongers does nothing to endear themselves to the people who pay for it.
Its pretty good in Wales too.
This whole political correctness gawn mad view of local councils is a bit 80s tho. The fact is that local government truly is so badly funded and run now that the nice to have services have long gone and even the not essential but expected services like libraries are under huge pressure. The lack of funding for road gritting is just the very noticeable but relatively unimportant manifestation of wider ranging, long term funding and management problems.
This whole political correctness gawn mad view of local councils is a bit 80s tho. The fact is that local government truly is so badly funded and run now that the nice to have services have long gone and even the not essential but expected services like libraries are under huge pressure. The lack of funding for road gritting is just the very noticeable but relatively unimportant manifestation of wider ranging, long term funding and management problems.
If it is true that councils have to show what they have spent the money on....how many people would actually believe that they have been honest about it?
Jeez our own MP's are a dishonest bunch at the best of times, and in my view local councils are no different. They will manipulate figures to mean anything they want them too.
They ignored advice given after last February's weather and thought they would be clever and try to save money, but in the end supply and demand meant they were much worse off than they would have been had they of brought the grit at £80 a tonn, instead of the £320 they ended up paying. Still it is not really their money is it?
I can only guess how much money local councils HAVE to spend on things that the European Parliament have now made law for them to pay out for. Plenty of examples around of that one.
We all know public services have suffered hugely over the last decade, but the grit fiasco was nothing short of a joke.
GNV tell me did this story of running out of grit in the UK reach France, and if so what was their take on it?
Jeez our own MP's are a dishonest bunch at the best of times, and in my view local councils are no different. They will manipulate figures to mean anything they want them too.
They ignored advice given after last February's weather and thought they would be clever and try to save money, but in the end supply and demand meant they were much worse off than they would have been had they of brought the grit at £80 a tonn, instead of the £320 they ended up paying. Still it is not really their money is it?
I can only guess how much money local councils HAVE to spend on things that the European Parliament have now made law for them to pay out for. Plenty of examples around of that one.
We all know public services have suffered hugely over the last decade, but the grit fiasco was nothing short of a joke.
GNV tell me did this story of running out of grit in the UK reach France, and if so what was their take on it?
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GNV tell me did this story of running out of grit in the UK reach France, and if so what was their take on it?
I followed the story on Sky News but don't remember seeing it on the mainstream French channels.
What they reported in France was the troubles experienced in UK rather than the reasons why.
In the north of France (Pas de Calais) where they were most badly hit, the Gendarme stopped the lorries from moving so as not to worsen the situation. The drivers were corralled in suitable places where they could be properly looked after rather than them getting into difficulties in hard to reach places.
There was no panic buying in country areas; there was no need. The French are well used to bottling up duck conserve, fruit and vegetables well in advance of any onset of winter.
Very little gets wasted here!
