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So where are the new jobs going to come eh?

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It might be that the country is in debt and if we don't do something about it we're going to leave a bad legacy to our great grand children but where, pray tell, are we going to find the millions of jobs, real jobs, that people are going to need? OK so there are those on here will say there are jobs out there. Well of course there are. There are part time low pay menial jobs aplenty (not decrying those people who do them whatsoever i hasten to add).
People are being forced out of jobs that have liveable wages into having to have two or three low paid shorter hours jobs creating more unsettled disjointed home environments. what are the answers? I have a few that i'll list at the end.
What we need is a radical thinking think tank to come up with ideas that at the outset might seem maybe absurd but could hold fresh ideas and ways of approaching, what is agreed, the difficult times ahead for the significant majority of people in the country/world.
My proposals are
1) On death that there should be a 100% death duty after an estate has been added up. This includeds all property and estates after the sole survivor has perished.
Revenue gained goes to ensure top class health care for all including looking after the elder;y and infirm at the end of their lives. any excess money to be entered into the public purse.

2) There should be a gradual implementation in the reduction of hours in the working week to a maximum of thirty hours.
Initially this would result in a lowering of living standards across the board but with the bonus that people have more leisure time with a possible benefit of increasing community socialising.
3) Tax laws should be sorted out that there are no claiming back from the state whatsoever with no 'expense' accounts no claw backs no tax reduction incentives etc. Get rid of accountancy in its present form there should be one rule and that is companies pay a % of your revenue. Sorting out off shore accounts and tax exiling so that they don't exist (doing this has to be done on a global scale)
Irrespective of whether because people rely on cars then you should have tax breaks on fuel etc or the whether your business relies on phones and you can claim back because of that etc etc . Quite quickly things will find there true value whether paying less or more and social economics would change to accommodate this.

4) Renationalisation of the basic utilities, gas, water, electricity, Waste collection.
all have the right to the basic human needs and these not be exploited for unnecessary profiteering by the private sector.
5) The army, navy, air-force & marine services to be amalgamated into one combined service.
We have a glorious history of the individual services and of course that should be celebrated but in the end that's what it is..history and in modern times unnecessary.

It doesn't stop there. That's just your starter for ten
our financial problems have been caused by large organisations. and the culture of greed and inflation within them.
so more self employment and smaller organisations within local areas and easy to reach
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our financial problems have been caused by large organisations. and the culture of greed and inflation within them.
so more self employment and smaller organisations within local areas and easy to reach

The only difference in the greed between large organisations and self employed is size. its a cultural change that's required.
You could even go so far as to say that a self employed greedy person is more personally responsible for their greed, whereas, the large organisation is the machine taking control not a specific person with a specific agenda.
Cultural and ideological change is needed. society cannot live in the way it did historically. It has got to accept less material growth and embrace a more cerebral community based approach
It is odd that though the idea you say about more self employed within local areas as that both suggests your thinking on a small town to town village to village area to area approach. This, though it seems on the outset, is less community minded than what i'm suggesting in that rather than having small communities is to have a large community within which the government looks after the overall basic framework or fabric of the economic side of life but leaving the individual scope to live their own lives within.
I did say think radical, no more can we be a nation of shop keepers. I's a globalised society we live in so we need to find global solutions there are too many people and too little to do to think like that. There are less and less genuinely small communities out there. Communication and transportation doesn't allow for it.
I will just say, if you were running for election and this was part of your manifesto, you would not get my X
the idea of global things sorting out other global things seems a bit unlikely. its only the ineternet and media which presents that view, and only wiewable from a developed country. it means nothing much to some peoples.
the idea is like trying to cure overweight people by turning them into the morbidly obese. you will get more frequent catastrophic world crashes.
Well come up with some freaking ideas then biggrin
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I will just say, if you were running for election and this was part of your manifesto, you would not get my X

It might be cool to say why not? Then maybe we can initiate on finding some ideas/common ground. I know my ideas are radical but that's a starting point...
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the idea of global things sorting out other global things seems a bit unlikely. its only the ineternet and media which presents that view, and only wiewable from a developed country. it means nothing much to some peoples.
the idea is like trying to cure overweight people by turning them into the morbidly obese. you will get more frequent catastrophic world crashes.

How can this be when our food, energy needs & finances are sourced globally. The communications industry is there as well and it can't be reversed. As for the analogy of overweight people. Well that doesn't work either.
I am suggesting that the government does what it should in placing the infrastructure to society such as creation and implementation of laws, seeing to the fair distribution of 'common' wealth for the good of the whole including the development and integration of 2nd and 3rd world nation (rather than holding them back by ripping them off with unfair and unjust trade agreements) leaving the private individual wealth of people to do with as they wish within their lifespans.
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I will just say, if you were running for election and this was part of your manifesto, you would not get my X

It might be cool to say why not? Then maybe we can initiate on finding some ideas/common ground. I know my ideas are radical but that's a starting point...
Ok, I will do my best
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My proposals are
1) On death that there should be a 100% death duty after an estate has been added up. This includes all property and estates after the sole survivor has perished.
Revenue gained goes to ensure top class health care for all including looking after the elder;y and infirm at the end of their lives. any excess money to be entered into the public purse.


I dislike, with a passion, any form of death duty full stop. The idea that a person can work hard and save all their life and then not be able to leave all their money/possetions to the person/place of their choosing is totally abhorrent to me. I love old stately homes, but firmly believe these should stay in the hands of the family's they have belonged to for hundreds of years where ever possible.
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2) There should be a gradual implementation in the reduction of hours in the working week to a maximum of thirty hours.
Initially this would result in a lowering of living standards across the board but with the bonus that people have more leisure time with a possible benefit of increasing community socialising.

Are you talking of every one, I work for myself and would not wish to be told how long I can or can not work for... I could easily do those 30 hours in two days! This could also limit peoples income, many on very low wages have to work long hours to make up their money

3) Tax laws should be sorted out that there are no claiming back from the state whatsoever with no 'expense' accounts no claw backs no tax reduction incentives etc. Get rid of accountancy in its present form there should be one rule and that is companies pay a % of your revenue. Sorting out off shore accounts and tax exiling so that they don't exist (doing this has to be done on a global scale)
Irrespective of whether because people rely on cars then you should have tax breaks on fuel etc or the whether your business relies on phones and you can claim back because of that etc etc . Quite quickly things will find there true value whether paying less or more and social economics would change to accommodate this.

I do not have enough knowledge to answer this one
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4) Renationalisationn of the basic utilities, gas, water, electricity, Waste collection.
all have the right to the basic human needs and these not be exploited for unnecessary profiteering by the private sector.

This is the only one I feel I might support, but how would the Government pay for them?
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5) The army, navy, air-force & marine services to be amalgamated into one combined service.
We have a glorious history of the individual services and of course that should be celebrated but in the end that's what it is..history and in modern times unnecessary.

I would possibly like to see better communications between them, but feel they are far better kept in their own sections
Bollox i just typed loads of other stuff in reply Blue sad but i lost the sodding lot !
jobs and employment can only come from an expansion of credit.
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Bollox i just typed loads of other stuff in reply Blue sad but i lost the sodding lot !

I hate it when that happens, I find you can never right it as well the scond time either :twisted:
there are currently over 6000 unfilled posts in the nhs alone and 1.5 million jobs available uk wide dunno
My way to increase employment comes in 2 stages:
Look at the steps that can get in the way of creating jobs (everything from planning permission to Health and Safety assessments to equipment provision and training requirements as well as setting up robust, sustainable small businesses) and simplify or get rid of as many as possible.
Then
Make Job Centres do their job. You go in, voluntarily or on receipt of JSA, and after a short assessment and discussion with a job advisor you choose/are presented with 3 or so job options (this could be done online or over the phone), you have the interview at the Job Centre and then (hopefully) get one of them. This is repeated until you do get a job. As it is, it is too easy to not bother and many jobs (most?) don't go through the Job Centre anyway and are found by word of mouth. People can get employees anyhow they like - but jobs should have to be put through the Job Centre as well.
The JC can offer guidance on interview skills, CV writing, courses that may be of positive benefit to the person looking for work and such like.
That should get more people into jobs quicker and therefore spending less time on benefits. Or maybe not even have to go on benefits in the first place.
That saving could go into creating even more employment via the councils.
It's not like stuff doesn't need doing in the 'public' arena. Even in my village, which would have to describe itself as comfortable although not affluent, I can see weeds growing along the pavements, signs that are damaged or need repainting. Teachers that I know have to repaint their own classrooms cos the caretaker hasn't got the resource to do it in time for term start.
The Government is (has been) investing in young people's training in the form of Modern Apprenticeships - via large comapnies like mine (I work for, not own LOL) - but councils themselves provide many services that could have their own apprenticeships. Even if these services are contracted out, the councils could ensure that they use companies that provide apprenticeships or even develop their own Apprentice scheme that places the young people with contractors for the actual learning.
In summary - make it easy for companies to offer jobs, spend some effort getting the people and the jobs connected, increase the availability of good, solid apprenticeships.
Greed is good.
The private sector will always deliver when an environment exists to allow the Entrepreneur to realise their dreams. Unfortunately all the nonsense in the OP stifles the entrprenurial spirit but fortunately all is not lost. There is greed and hunger in the world and these people that have it will always create wealth and from wealth comes jobs.
I thought that the kind of Socialist clap trap spouted on this Site died out when the iron curtain fell but, no, there are still people alive and kicking in this country living in cloud cuckoo land. This recession is biting and surviving it is not about closing tax loopholes and having a thirty hour working week. The strong, the willing and the hungry will adapt and make the most whilst the weak and and whingers will cry foul and feign self pity at how it is everybody else's fault.
When the going gets tough the tough get going and the global economy is so much bigger than the UK and its pandered work force. Why should jobs come to you? Get on your bike and make things happen yourself - if you don't someone else will.
Jesus Toohot. I see the spirit of human kindness is lost on you a little biggrin Darwins theory survival of the fittest is what your spouting I guess, and i'm afraid that that works to a degree. Until, you come to the fact that the wealthy and rich, and im not decrying that, are in those position through standing on the shoulders of average Joe public and with Joe's good grace.
That's OK though I don't suggest there should be no wealthy or rich as, yes, they are usually the movers and shakers. why is it so bad be wealthy in ones on lifetime whilst not feathering only the nests of they're chosen undeserving few when death takes them and they are just dust and memories and matter no more? Why not let the society that facilitated their getting their, earned for, lives of plenty when they are gone benefiting all?
What I also suggest is that they show respect and benevolence to that fact and give a thought to the situations of others when their situation changes only marginally but the knees of the people shoulders they are perched on are buckling.
You call it claptrap but don't say why? Ma@ybe because you can't really argue the case. Or is OK to just use the lame arguement that "I worked for it, its mine to do with in perpetuity" The rest of the world be damned. That excuse is just not enough.
Come out of the dark ages. At some point there has to be a re-thinking of social and economic and moral values if the world is to survive in any meaningful and forward moving direction.
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Jesus Toohot. I see the spirit of human kindness is lost on you a little biggrin Darwins theory survival of the fittest is what your spouting I guess, and i'm afraid that that works to a degree. Until, you come to the fact that the wealthy and rich, and im not decrying that, are in those position through standing on the shoulders of average Joe public and with Joe's good grace.
That's OK though I don't suggest there should be no wealthy or rich as, yes, they are usually the movers and shakers. why is it so bad be wealthy in ones on lifetime whilst not feathering only the nests of they're chosen undeserving few when death takes them and they are just dust and memories and matter no more? Why not let the society that facilitated their getting their, earned for, lives of plenty when they are gone benefiting all?
What I also suggest is that they show respect and benevolence to that fact and give a thought to the situations of others when their situation changes only marginally but the knees of the people shoulders they are perched on are buckling.
You call it claptrap but don't say why? Ma@ybe because you can't really argue the case. Or is OK to just use the lame arguement that "I worked for it, its mine to do with in perpetuity" The rest of the world be damned. That excuse is just not enough.
Come out of the dark ages. At some point there has to be a re-thinking of social and economic and moral values if the world is to survive in any meaningful and forward moving direction.

Whatever claptrap he may or may not be spouting it's got nothign to do with Darwin.
greedy people are the consumers and abusers of productivity. they are not the people who make, do or produce they simply feed off other peoples work. so they won't actually come up with new or inventive ways to create work. they don't care.
The problem you guys don't comprehend is that the world is very different outside of the United Kingdom. Whatever your "civilised" attitudes may be to wealth distribution and a caring, sharing community the fact is that if everyone in the UK behaved in this way we would, as a nation, be walked over - economically and militarily.
We have a good record in the UK of forcing what we think is right on the rest of the world but we are not always right. The strong will always survive and there are millions hungry, greedy and motivated people in the world outside the UK to guarantee that capitalism will continue to flourish.
Just as a matter of interest why is it "just not good enough" that someone who has worked hard all their lives and paid the equivilant taxes of hundreds of "workers" has the choice to do whatever they want with their estate.
The problem with your socialist ideals is that they are motivated by envy.
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The problem you guys don't comprehend is that the world is very different outside of the United Kingdom. Whatever your "civilised" attitudes may be to wealth distribution and a caring, sharing community the fact is that if everyone in the UK behaved in this way we would, as a nation, be walked over - economically and militarily.
We have a good record in the UK of forcing what we think is right on the rest of the world but we are not always right. The strong will always survive and there are millions hungry, greedy and motivated people in the world outside the UK to guarantee that capitalism will continue to flourish.
Just as a matter of interest why is it "just not good enough" that someone who has worked hard all their lives and paid the equivilant taxes of hundreds of "workers" has the choice to do whatever they want with their estate.
The problem with your socialist ideals is that they are motivated by envy.

By people who have nothing or at the least very little.
I wish they would find this scrounger a job....surely there must be something out there for a baby making machine, who is bone idle.............surely?
Maybe I am speaking from envy as there are certainly things that i'd like that I don't have although I do believe and try to speak from a more altruistic perspective. once upon a time man thought the moon was out of reach.... Of course it's an ideal far off in the future and, which should please you to hear, as in charity it should start at home and who better to move things forward than Great Britain the greatest nation to ever have been in the world and should be again.
777 you so make me chuckle - there is a place in this world for you. Oh i'm sorry its been taken by Al Murray serving at the bar! biggrin
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777 you so make me chuckle - there is a place in this world for you. Oh i'm sorry its been taken by Al Murray serving at the bar! biggrin

It's alright, Kenty is one of his regulars lol
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777 you so make me chuckle - there is a place in this world for you. Oh i'm sorry its been taken by Al Murray serving at the bar! biggrin

It's alright, Kenty is one of his regulars lol

:lol:
You know what Mart? From the eyebrows up...... :twisted:
what happened with this lastest economic crash was that the greedy people could see how to falsify wealth by credit. there was never anything to support that valuation. there still isn't a production upon which profit can be made. they fooled and cheated gullible people and left destruction. this is the kind of thing they are good at.
so its fortunate for the greedy to be in a well established economny and probably the best place to keep them otherwise they would wreak further havoc on the world.
thw world now has to go through a period of deprivation in order to pay off the excesses of the greedy. who will continue to live oblivious to the damage they have done. so in a few years there will be a recovery and enough to go round again.
so the new jobs won't be created by the greedy but the ideas will be exploited and perverted in order to achieve the maximum aim of profit, again by the greedy.
maybe this time round there might be a more balanced outcome. but the only thing the greedy will continue to do is demand what they want. they won't know how to produce it.
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777 you so make me chuckle - there is a place in this world for you. Oh i'm sorry its been taken by Al Murray serving at the bar! biggrin

It's alright, Kenty is one of his regulars lol

WHO the fuck is he? :twisted: