It felt good to know that the Bull got one in before they killed it.
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Sex God
It comes with the territory, I am sure he would have fully understood the risk's he was taking.
I would never wish to interfere with the culture of others.
I would never wish to interfere with the culture of others.
Sex God
Quote by Rob_hood
I would never wish to interfere with the culture of ]
What then if others tried to interfere with your culture?
The only persons, so far that have interfered in the way I live my life have been the Labour government
I did my best, as did many others, to stop their interferance, but sadly failed. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/305150.html
Sex God
Quote by varca
I simply cant condone cruelty to animals for the entertainment of human beings regardless of culture or tradition. I'm sure its very entertaining as I'm sure the sight of a badger being ripped apart by a dog or two cocks fighting is. That doesn't make it acceptable tho.
My sentiments exactly!
How far do those ethics go? I feel the only people able to preach to others about animal cruelty are vegetarians and vegans, every one else condones it and encourages it on a grand scale.
Sex God
Quote by varca
I simply cant condone cruelty to animals for the entertainment of human beings regardless of culture or tradition. I'm sure its very entertaining as I'm sure the sight of a badger being ripped apart by a dog or two cocks fighting is. That doesn't make it acceptable tho.
My sentiments exactly!
How far do those ethics go? I feel the only people able to preach to others about animal cruelty are vegetarians and vegans, every one else condones it and encourages it on a grand scale.
As far as I can!
I was vegetarian for 14 years until 2004 and no I didn't miss bacon lol. Even now I choose mainly vegetarian food and when I do buy meat, fish and eggs etc I buy organic and free range. My coffee is Free trade and I don't wear leather.
And I do not preach, never have, never will, people make their own choices but I personally do not condone any cruelty to animals for any purpose.
Are you sure you don,t miss bacon?
I do admire your ethics and respect your veiw.
May be "preach" was a poor choice of words. The thing is I meet so many people willing to chastise others for what they do to animals but happy to eat them.
I once heard a MFH, Master of the Fox Hounds, Huntsman to you or I, justify his fox hunting by asking the complainant if they ate meet, they did. He said I hunt foxes for the very same reason you eat chicken, because I enjoy it, you do not need meat to live, its a choice you make because you enjoy it.
I have always thought that a very valid point, and there is not a more cruel industry than the meat industry.
Sex God
Quote by varca
I simply cant condone cruelty to animals for the entertainment of human beings regardless of culture or tradition. I'm sure its very entertaining as I'm sure the sight of a badger being ripped apart by a dog or two cocks fighting is. That doesn't make it acceptable tho.
My sentiments exactly!
How far do those ethics go? I feel the only people able to preach to others about animal cruelty are vegetarians and vegans, every one else condones it and encourages it on a grand scale.
As far as I can!
I was vegetarian for 14 years until 2004 and no I didn't miss bacon lol. Even now I choose mainly vegetarian food and when I do buy meat, fish and eggs etc I buy organic and free range. My coffee is Free trade and I don't wear leather.
And I do not preach, never have, never will, people make their own choices but I personally do not condone any cruelty to animals for any purpose.
Are you sure you don,t miss bacon?
I do admire your ethics and respect your veiw.
May be "preach" was a poor choice of words. The thing is I meet so many people willing to chastise others for what they do to animals but happy to eat them.
I once heard a MFH, Master of the Fox Hounds, Huntsman to you or I, justify his fox hunting by asking the complainant if they ate meet, they did. He said I hunt foxes for the very same reason you eat chicken, because I enjoy it, you do not need meat to live, its a choice you make because you enjoy it.
I have always thought that a very valid point, and there is not a more cruel industry than the meat industry.
Not at all lol, I really can take it or leave it.... unless it's the morning after a heavy fun session and then it just somehow has to be rounded off with a nice organic bacon buttie :grin:
I think I commented at the time, your post regarding fox hunting was one of the most balanced and objective views I have ever read :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by varca
I can feel a thread regarding cognitive dissonance coming on as a result of some of the things brought up in this thread. Probably best for later though, my brain tends to work better late at night for some reason lol
Way too deep for a simple country boy like me
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
I think there is a world of difference between killing an animal and eating it and setting ourselves or dogs on animals to torture or kill them for entertainment.
It comes down to a question of ethics,for example it is wrong to eat other people,but no one critised the rugby team stranded in the Andes.
To kill/abuse for fun,rather than necessity questions what we consider to be the values that dominate us as human we unable to control our desires and should our desire to be entertained out weigh our knowledge that someone/something is suffering for our entertainment.
When we eat meat we may be compromising,but we do so for the fufillment of a basic human need,food ,rather than sating a blood lust.
Good points, well made, but, to me you are only justifying your position, the fact is, we do not need meat for our survival, there for we eat meat because we enjoy it not as a necessity.
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
I think there is a world of difference between killing an animal and eating it and setting ourselves or dogs on animals to torture or kill them for entertainment.
It comes down to a question of ethics,for example it is wrong to eat other people,but no one critised the rugby team stranded in the Andes.
To kill/abuse for fun,rather than necessity questions what we consider to be the values that dominate us as human we unable to control our desires and should our desire to be entertained out weigh our knowledge that someone/something is suffering for our entertainment.
When we eat meat we may be compromising,but we do so for the fufillment of a basic human need,food ,rather than sating a blood lust.
Good points, well made, but, to me you are only justifying your position, the fact is, we do not need meat for our survival, there for we eat meat because we enjoy it not as a necessity.
oh i am not arguing with that,i was a vegetarian for ethical reasons untill i got pregnant with my first child.I have not returned to it because i like there is a moral difference between activley encouraging animal cruelty and paying towards an industry(farming )which has cruel elements.
Agreed
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
I think there is a world of difference between killing an animal and eating it and setting ourselves or dogs on animals to torture or kill them for entertainment.
I would totally agree with this Ben if the animal you are killing has had a descent life. Very few people see the practices which are carried out.
So many people are so very detached from what really happens and I am not sure how many people are really aware how cruel many aspects of our farming can be; it is almost always the intensive areas of farming which are the worst offenders. One small example would be pig farming, not the wonderful free field reared pigs but many of the intensively reared pigs have a horrid life. Step with me into the farrowing house where the sows give birth. They are kept in farrowing crates where for the protection of the piglets the sows are able to either stand or lie down but nothing else until the piglets are old enough to fend for them selves. Then the sow has a couple of weeks off before she is artificially inseminated to repeat the whole posses again, and again, until her inside fall out and is no longer of any use. The piglets are then moved on to other houses, In these house too many pigs are squeezed into too small an area, because of this, the pigs will bite each other and nip there tails, to stop this the practice is to cut of the piglets tail and pull out/snap off the piglets teeth with piers. It is not a very pleasant sight and the above is only the tip of the ice berg, I could go on for hours
I used to be an ethical vegan, however that changed to suit a career change where I couldn't maintain that level of veganism and actually provide the level of care I was supposed to without compromising my ethics.
So I stopped. (being vegan)
However, Though I may cringe at the sight of a bull goring a fool in a ring, or running before them in a narrow street, I will give a little thumbs up to the bull.
None of which means anything to anyone, however, I like this thread.
as you were
lp
So I stopped. (being vegan)
However, Though I may cringe at the sight of a bull goring a fool in a ring, or running before them in a narrow street, I will give a little thumbs up to the bull.
None of which means anything to anyone, however, I like this thread.
as you were
lp
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Aye blue, my brother is a farmer.
The farming industry is bloody horrible.
But not in my view as horrible as killing or maiming for entertainment.
But, and sorry to labour the point Ben, the person who eats the meat is eating it for their entertainment.
On that note I will let this part of the debate lie before I boor every one stupid with my views.
Sex God
i like to eat what i kill
teal snipe and pigeon being amongst my favorite as well a fresh greylag at xmas
teal snipe and pigeon being amongst my favorite as well a fresh greylag at xmas
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
we just have to differ blue we shall discuss it over that pint.
I look forward to that pint Ben
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
i like to eat what i kill
teal snipe and pigeon being amongst my favorite as well a fresh greylag at xmas
Never been keen on much game my self appart from venison
