Student Protests

15 Nov 2010

Quote by tweeky

On the radio the other day there was an article about farm workers coming from all over eastern europe to work here because it`s impossible to get English people to do the work. Why won`t they do it ? ......Because it`s hard work and they`d rather sponge off the rest of us !!!

Thats not the only part of it though. They also come and do the job for far less meaning employers then want to pay less for the job devaluing the whole sector. Eastern Europeans are quick to take the low pay 45+ hour a weekjobs because to them its good money to send home. I'll say right now I wouldn't do it. 45 hour weekcrap wages, no chance lol

In edit: I once trained for work in a specific field about 5 years ago, the going rate then was £8-£9 an hour for the job. The employment service then brought in a training scheme giving a qualification for that job which lots of Eastern Europeans took. The going rate for that job dropped to £6 and under in the local paper. Ive a friend whos one of the remaining supervisors and he says around 85% of the staff are now Polish or other Eastern Europeans. There are some English left who have worked in the field for years on older contracts but the management like them to leave when possible cus they can change the contract slightly and pay a Eastern European a lot less money. Needless to say I dont work in that field anymore I work where I still get over the £9 an hour.
45 hour week... Thats a part time job :lol:

15 Nov 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

On the radio the other day there was an article about farm workers coming from all over eastern europe to work here because it`s impossible to get English people to do the work. Why won`t they do it ? ......Because it`s hard work and they`d rather sponge off the rest of us !!!

Thats not the only part of it though. They also come and do the job for far less meaning employers then want to pay less for the job devaluing the whole sector. Eastern Europeans are quick to take the low pay 45+ hour a weekjobs because to them its good money to send home. I'll say right now I wouldn't do it. 45 hour weekcrap wages, no chance lol

In edit: I once trained for work in a specific field about 5 years ago, the going rate then was £8-£9 an hour for the job. The employment service then brought in a training scheme giving a qualification for that job which lots of Eastern Europeans took. The going rate for that job dropped to £6 and under in the local paper. Ive a friend whos one of the remaining supervisors and he says around 85% of the staff are now Polish or other Eastern Europeans. There are some English left who have worked in the field for years on older contracts but the management like them to leave when possible cus they can change the contract slightly and pay a Eastern European a lot less money. Needless to say I dont work in that field anymore I work where I still get over the £9 an hour.
45 hour week... Thats a part time job :lol:
Nah, what I work is part time and you need to come down more than 20 hours :lol:

15 Nov 2010

Quote by deancannock
firstly let me say.....I do not condone and never will condone violence.
However I said in another thread.....that to watch for a 2011 year of unrest and a summer of riots. So many people will be thrown out of work....they will be fighting for their own and their families survival .... this is not just public sector workers. I work for a large multi national company...or should I say I did !! We had a meeting a week ago and they stated that due to the change in government and its policys they have had a economic projection for the UK done. The answer is they came back with is a double dip recession is forcast for 2011....without doubt. Therefore they have decided to cut their UK work force by 25%. Just so happens one is me. Many more across the country will follow. A large number of people all feeling threatened and scared for their familes future........yep I think you will find these student riots were small fry, to what you are going to see this coming year !!!!

sorry to hear the green shoots have turned to dead weeds for you deano. i sincerly hope that something turns up for you.

15 Nov 2010

Quote by deancannock
firstly let me say.....I do not condone and never will condone violence.
However I said in another thread.....that to watch for a 2011 year of unrest and a summer of riots. So many people will be thrown out of work....they will be fighting for their own and their families survival .... this is not just public sector workers. I work for a large multi national company...or should I say I did !! We had a meeting a week ago and they stated that due to the change in government and its policys they have had a economic projection for the UK done. The answer is they came back with is a double dip recession is forcast for 2011....without doubt. Therefore they have decided to cut their UK work force by 25%. Just so happens one is me. Many more across the country will follow. A large number of people all feeling threatened and scared for their familes future........yep I think you will find these student riots were small fry, to what you are going to see this coming year !!!!

Very sorry to hear such bad news, and hope you find work soon.

15 Nov 2010

Quote by flower411
firstly let me say.....I do not condone and never will condone violence.
However I said in another thread.....that to watch for a 2011 year of unrest and a summer of riots. So many people will be thrown out of work....they will be fighting for their own and their families survival .... this is not just public sector workers. I work for a large multi national company...or should I say I did !! We had a meeting a week ago and they stated that due to the change in government and its policys they have had a economic projection for the UK done. The answer is they came back with is a double dip recession is forcast for 2011....without doubt. Therefore they have decided to cut their UK work force by 25%. Just so happens one is me. Many more across the country will follow. A large number of people all feeling threatened and scared for their familes future........yep I think you will find these student riots were small fry, to what you are going to see this coming year !!!!

I`ve mentioned it before.
When the last government set it`s heart on destroying peoples livlihoods in the countryside there were many protests but they didn`t involve this sort of mindless violence.
Why does it have to involve mindless violence ? And when it does shouldn`t the police deal with it like for like ?
We either have a democracy or we have rule of the mob but you can bet your life the members of the violent mobs would soon come bleating to the authorities if they got hurt by somebody fighting back. It`s pathetic, the way these people think they can throw their toys out of their prams because they are not getting their own way.
On the radio the other day there was an article about farm workers coming from all over eastern europe to work here because it`s impossible to get English people to do the work. Why won`t they do it ? ......Because it`s hard work and they`d rather sponge off the rest of us !!!
No, they must stay within the law when dealing with such scum, so as to keep the moral high ground.

24 Nov 2010

Looks like another protest being spoilt by violent behaviour, seams many of these students are incapable of civilised behaviour
On a personal level, if I was involved in these protest's I would be sorely disappointed. Even down to the smaller level of the litter being dropped, fires being lit, and faces being hidden.
This, in my view, all devalues the protesters main point, the press will be reporting the wrong message yet again.

24 Nov 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Looks like another protest being spoilt by violent behaviour, seams many of these students are incapable of civilised behaviour

and they want the British tax payer to fully fund them :huh:

24 Nov 2010

Quote by GnV
Looks like another protest being spoilt by violent behaviour, seams many of these students are incapable of civilised behaviour

and they want the British tax payer to fully fund them :huh:
They have spoiled it for them selves, the march has been halted from its planned root due to the sporadic outburst's of violence. Police can not allow them to pass on to more sensitive areas of Parliament square with the threat of violence in the air.

24 Nov 2010

Just seen the report on Sky.
From out of this protest comes a young woman who stood up to the thugs. She tried to get her point across in a peaceful demonstration but was prevented by being shouted down by people who cannot see the difference between right and wrong.
She is an inspiration to young people.
Dave_Notts

24 Nov 2010

and now the police have them contained, there are reports that the authorities have to provide these scroats with water and toilets ffs!
Well, how about getting the LFB in with some water cannon and make the bastards piss publicly down the drain. They'd only trash the toilets anyway and use the "facilities" as further ammunition to aim at buildings and windows in Whitehall.
Is it going to be freezing tonight? I fucking hope so. They could be there for hours.
I've renamed the thread to reflect the ongoing situation.

24 Nov 2010

Breaking news! Students in London, revolting.

24 Nov 2010

Quote by tweeky
Breaking news! Students in London, revolting.

pmsl
Another reason why the LFB should turn the water cannon on them - the great unwashed! Boris did say he was going to clean up London...

24 Nov 2010

I can't believe you all fell for this propaganda.
No students in the UK took part in any protests.
The TV and press have been hoodwinked.
Those protesting were paid by anti government organisations to protest whilst claiming to be students, none were actually students.
Look at the evidence for yourself ........ Do you really think any student got off thier arse and did something for nothing ?
It's a joke for gawd sake put the crosses and nails away

24 Nov 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
Just seen the report on Sky.
From out of this protest comes a young woman who stood up to the thugs. She tried to get her point across in a peaceful demonstration but was prevented by being shouted down by people who cannot see the difference between right and wrong.
She is an inspiration to young people.
Dave_Notts

Yes Dave, I watched that also, and the interview with her a little later. Really impressive moment. I have nothing but praise for her

25 Nov 2010

We have been occupied! Tossers lol

They have occupied their own building confused

??: and disrupted their own social activities dunno

They also damaged their own building rolleyes

Had a laugh with it. At 7am we played them nice loud music :twisted: and played the lights on lights off game. We put them on they turned them off, repeat :lol: Its also a good excuse not to do any work on that floor for security reasons smile

works for me :thumbup:

25 Nov 2010

I still feel the more the tactics become underhand, the more they will loose public support for there cause

25 Nov 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I still feel the more the tactics become underhand, the more they will loose public support for there cause

In the case of what I have written above they will loose the support of the other students if they are not careful. Students may laugh at not being able to turn up to one or two lectures due to a protest but not to be able to go to their own bars or own social activities? Think that may wear thin rather quicker. Will be interesting to see if they are still their in the morning.

25 Nov 2010

Quote by tweeky
I still feel the more the tactics become underhand, the more they will loose public support for there cause

In the case of what I have written above they will loose the support of the other students if they are not careful. Students may laugh at not being able to turn up to one or two lectures due to a protest but not to be able to go to their own bars or own social activities? Think that may wear thin rather quicker. Will be interesting to see if they are still their in the morning.
Of coarse, that is some thing I had not thought of.
My thoughts were more along the lines that if every protest has to be so highly policed the cost will rocket and police will be tacken from doing there proper jobs.
If protest remain peicful then police numbers could be much lower

25 Nov 2010

The "actions" are being supported by current students. Previous students who have now moved on in life realise that there realise that is no free ticket and we look on with fondness remembering how it felt to be a student activist protesting about - Apartheid and Nuclear Disarmament.
But then - we grew up and took a broader look at life.
No problem kiddo's - you want to study media politics or Equine studies for three years - just make sure that at the end of it you can pay for your wasted three years of life.

26 Nov 2010

Quote by Too Hot
The "actions" are being supported by current students. Previous students who have now moved on in life realise that there realise that is no free ticket and we look on with fondness remembering how it felt to be a student activist protesting about - Apartheid and Nuclear Disarmament.
But then - we grew up and took a broader look at life.
No problem kiddo's - you want to study media politics or Equine studies for three years - just make sure that at the end of it you can pay for your wasted three years of life.

The UK has the fourth widest gap between rich and poor in the entire developed world. This situation exists partly because the English are the fourth most badly-educated and uninformed people in the European Union and are consequently often not even aware of this state of affairs, and because even if they are aware of it, they are too cowardly to do anything about it other than grumble to each luck to the students who have the courage to do something.

26 Nov 2010

Quote by GnV
I don't think many people really condone violence. what I would like to know or put to the discussion is. If people's peaceful means of demonstrating go unheeded by government, just brushed aside and ignored, changing nothing. How then after all peaceful protests have failed?

Thankfully, we live in a democracy where we are governed by the rule of law and the ballot box not by the gun or by mobs roaming the streets.
There is a democratic process by which Government is held to account and it everyone's right to make their voice heard - peacefully. It is an unfortunate fact of life that one man's meat is another's poison and so it is impossible to please everyone all of the time. The Students were perfectly entitled to voice their concerns in a peaceful way and to lobby their MP to try influence his understanding of matters in the hope that he might vote in the opposition lobby. The debate in the chamber of the House and in Committee also provides opportunities for the legislature to make up their minds before the matter is voted on. It then goes to the upper House before receiving Royal Assent. The Lords have in the past sent legislation back to the lower House to think again and so it is that democracy is served.
In the end, the legislature is bound to do what is best for the Country, not just sections of it. Some people will naturally be disaffected but that is the way the Rule of Law works here. The more vociferous few should not necessarily overrule the silent majority and it the purpose of Parliament to champion the cause of right as much as any other.
How many people discussing the violence on the demonstrations have ever been on a demonstration? Those of us who have been on many know all about police violence towards demonstrators. Kevin Gately in 1974 and Blair Peach in 1979 are but two of us who haven't don't because their information comes only from the media which withholds information of this sort.
In 1977 I took part in a mass picket outside Grunwicks .We were all against throwing missiles at the scab buses .One day a demonstrator next to me threw a brick at a scab bus. I and those demonstrators around him berated him for this and then saw him run down the road and get on to a police bus.I saw this happen with my own eyes. The next day, all the papers screamed about how the pickets at Grunwicks had thrown bricks at the scab buses. Those of us who don't believe that this kind of thing doesn't happen are naive.

26 Nov 2010

Quote by sexyslut79
I don't think many people really condone violence. what I would like to know or put to the discussion is. If people's peaceful means of demonstrating go unheeded by government, just brushed aside and ignored, changing nothing. How then after all peaceful protests have failed?

Thankfully, we live in a democracy where we are governed by the rule of law and the ballot box not by the gun or by mobs roaming the streets.
There is a democratic process by which Government is held to account and it everyone's right to make their voice heard - peacefully. It is an unfortunate fact of life that one man's meat is another's poison and so it is impossible to please everyone all of the time. The Students were perfectly entitled to voice their concerns in a peaceful way and to lobby their MP to try influence his understanding of matters in the hope that he might vote in the opposition lobby. The debate in the chamber of the House and in Committee also provides opportunities for the legislature to make up their minds before the matter is voted on. It then goes to the upper House before receiving Royal Assent. The Lords have in the past sent legislation back to the lower House to think again and so it is that democracy is served.
In the end, the legislature is bound to do what is best for the Country, not just sections of it. Some people will naturally be disaffected but that is the way the Rule of Law works here. The more vociferous few should not necessarily overrule the silent majority and it the purpose of Parliament to champion the cause of right as much as any other.
How many people discussing the violence on the demonstrations have ever been on a demonstration? Those of us who have been on many know all about police violence towards demonstrators. Kevin Gately in 1974 and Blair Peach in 1979 are but two of us who haven't don't because their information comes only from the media which withholds information of this sort.
In 1977 I took part in a mass picket outside Grunwicks .We were all against throwing missiles at the scab buses .One day a demonstrator next to me threw a brick at a scab bus. I and those demonstrators around him berated him for this and then saw him run down the road and get on to a police bus.I saw this happen with my own eyes. The next day, all the papers screamed about how the pickets at Grunwicks had thrown bricks at the scab buses. Those of us who don't believe that this kind of thing doesn't happen are naive.
I have been on 3 large demonstrations in London and dozens in local towns, These were when the countryside came to town.
During all those demonstrations, the police and crowds that I saw behaved perfectly. In fact there was hardly any police to be seen. No protesters with their faces covered, no fires, no litter on the floor, no damage to property.

26 Nov 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I don't think many people really condone violence. what I would like to know or put to the discussion is. If people's peaceful means of demonstrating go unheeded by government, just brushed aside and ignored, changing nothing. How then after all peaceful protests have failed?

Thankfully, we live in a democracy where we are governed by the rule of law and the ballot box not by the gun or by mobs roaming the streets.
There is a democratic process by which Government is held to account and it everyone's right to make their voice heard - peacefully. It is an unfortunate fact of life that one man's meat is another's poison and so it is impossible to please everyone all of the time. The Students were perfectly entitled to voice their concerns in a peaceful way and to lobby their MP to try influence his understanding of matters in the hope that he might vote in the opposition lobby. The debate in the chamber of the House and in Committee also provides opportunities for the legislature to make up their minds before the matter is voted on. It then goes to the upper House before receiving Royal Assent. The Lords have in the past sent legislation back to the lower House to think again and so it is that democracy is served.
In the end, the legislature is bound to do what is best for the Country, not just sections of it. Some people will naturally be disaffected but that is the way the Rule of Law works here. The more vociferous few should not necessarily overrule the silent majority and it the purpose of Parliament to champion the cause of right as much as any other.
How many people discussing the violence on the demonstrations have ever been on a demonstration? Those of us who have been on many know all about police violence towards demonstrators. Kevin Gately in 1974 and Blair Peach in 1979 are but two of us who haven't don't because their information comes only from the media which withholds information of this sort.
In 1977 I took part in a mass picket outside Grunwicks .We were all against throwing missiles at the scab buses .One day a demonstrator next to me threw a brick at a scab bus. I and those demonstrators around him berated him for this and then saw him run down the road and get on to a police bus.I saw this happen with my own eyes. The next day, all the papers screamed about how the pickets at Grunwicks had thrown bricks at the scab buses. Those of us who don't believe that this kind of thing doesn't happen are naive.
I have been on 3 large demonstrations in London and dozens in local towns, These were when the countryside came to town.
Presumably you weren't on the violent demonstration by the Countryside Alliance in London a few years ago then.

26 Nov 2010

My thoughts were more along the lines that if every protest has to be so highly policed the cost will rocket and police will be tacken from doing there proper jobs.
If protest remain peicful then police numbers could be much lower

Ha ha ha ha ha. Come on Blue, you're having a giraffe? Do you seriously believe for one minute that the police see this kind of protest as anything other than 'a good thing', given that they are facing cuts to their manpower, and are already using this kind of absolutely trivial civil disturbance to argue against a reduction in their numbers? confused

Look at their tactics on the last couple of demos, the first where they were almost completely absent, the second where they were all riot geared up, and then ponder on whether they are after reducing costs? rolleyes

N x x x ;)

26 Nov 2010

Quote by neilinleeds
My thoughts were more along the lines that if every protest has to be so highly policed the cost will rocket and police will be tacken from doing there proper jobs.
If protest remain peicful then police numbers could be much lower

Ha ha ha ha ha. Come on Blue, you're having a giraffe? Do you seriously believe for one minute that the police see this kind of protest as anything other than 'a good thing', given that they are facing cuts to their manpower, and are already using this kind of absolutely trivial civil disturbance to argue against a reduction in their numbers? confused

Look at their tactics on the last couple of demos, the first where they were almost completely absent, the second where they were all riot geared up, and then ponder on whether they are after reducing costs? rolleyes

N x x x ;)
The police will not care one jot, they will be very happy with the overtime
I was thinking about the general public.

27 Nov 2010

Quote by neilinleeds
My thoughts were more along the lines that if every protest has to be so highly policed the cost will rocket and police will be tacken from doing there proper jobs.
If protest remain peicful then police numbers could be much lower

Ha ha ha ha ha. Come on Blue, you're having a giraffe? Do you seriously believe for one minute that the police see this kind of protest as anything other than 'a good thing', given that they are facing cuts to their manpower, and are already using this kind of absolutely trivial civil disturbance to argue against a reduction in their numbers? confused

Look at their tactics on the last couple of demos, the first where they were almost completely absent, the second where they were all riot geared up, and then ponder on whether they are after reducing costs? rolleyes

N x x x ;)
It is a part of a police officer's duties to police demonstrations, as my father, a retired Chief Inspector in the Metropolitan Police will tell you, and occasionally getting hurt on a demonstration is as much an occupational hazard for him as getting shot is for a soldier.

27 Nov 2010

Quote by Too Hot
we look on with fondness remembering how it felt to be a student activist protesting about - Apartheid . . . .
But then - we grew up and took a broader look at life.

But luckily for black South Africans, some people's self-interested broad view seems to be somewhat wider than yours, and direct action both at home and abroad defeated them eventually? Yay! :P

No problem kiddo's - you want to study media politics or Equine studies for three years - just make sure that at the end of it you can pay for your wasted three years of life.

Too right. They'd have done better studying PPE at Oxbridge at the taxpayers expense, cos no matter how big a complete fuckwit or otherwise unemployable they may be out here in the real world, there's still always the possibility of becoming an MP and / or one day running the country? rolleyes

;)
N x x x ;)

10 Dec 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I still feel the more the tactics become underhand, the more they will loose public support for there cause

There can be no justification for attacking the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall; There can be no justification for attacking the Treasury Building in Whitehall; there can be no justification for using violence to threaten the very core of Democracy and terrorise ordinary law abiding citizens.
These people have no public support left - even those who wished only to peacefully protest.
The Democratic process has been concluded. The measures will pass into law - rightly so in my humble opinion.
It has also highlighted just how yellow-bellied some Lib-Dem MP's are; how wrong it was to elect Simon Hughes as their deputy leader. How crass and two-faced the Labour Party is.

10 Dec 2010

Totally disgraceful and shameful behaviour by these young thugs. I doubt they even have the intelligence to understand how they are alienating themselves from those who actually fund them and if they are this thick maybe it's better they don't go to Uni in the first place.
Yet again I ask, where were this rabble when Labour did a u-turn on an election policy and introduced the top-up fees legislation in the first place? Barely a whimper which reveals this is nothing more than left wing rent-a-mob activity.

10 Dec 2010

Ooops Double post