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Who is that protester? Did someone say he was a lad? I have squinted at it and thought it was a young girl. I really need to get to specsavers if it is a lad
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Quote by essex34m
Who is that protester? Did someone say he was a lad? I have squinted at it and thought it was a young girl. I really need to get to specsavers if it is a lad
Dave_Notts
You and me both.I originally thought it was a female.
I thought it was just me. Phew. Thanks for admitting you are as daft as a brush as me
Dave_Notts
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Who is that protester? Did someone say he was a lad? I have squinted at it and thought it was a young girl. I really need to get to specsavers if it is a lad
Dave_Notts
You and me both.I originally thought it was a female.
I thought it was just me. Phew. Thanks for admitting you are as daft as a brush as me
Dave_Notts
I am not daft like you, nobody is daft like you.
Quote by essex34m
Who is that protester? Did someone say he was a lad? I have squinted at it and thought it was a young girl. I really need to get to specsavers if it is a lad
Dave_Notts
You and me both.I originally thought it was a female.
I thought it was just me. Phew. Thanks for admitting you are as daft as a brush as me
Dave_Notts
I am not daft like you, nobody is daft like you.
I can't dispute that
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Sexlightened
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Sorry but I must have missed it.
medway_garage, what is your position on the protesters? Are they carrying out criminal activities (destruction of property) and should be dealt with by the law?
Dave_Notts
Yes of course! And i would also like Police prosecuted if they have acted illegally as well, and there's plenty of proof of that! Everyone wants a peaceful trouble free demonstration, but if you are being kettled illegally, charged by Police horses while you're in the kettle and cannot escape BECAUSE of the kettle,, Is it any surprise anger boils over ! However there definitely were things certain students did that annoyed the hell out of me too, the cenotaph for example, but considering the sheer scale of that protest it is a very small minority.
Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester? I am talking about Jody McIntyre who was dragged from his wheelchair twice by Police!
The footage was shown tonight on 'Newsnight' and the 'BBC News Channel', there's two clips, the earlier attack here's the link to the second attack;
The Police tactics seem very odd, why are they provoking protestors? Also, why are Police covering their ID numbers ????
QUOTE;Following the G20 protests last year, during which Ian Tomlinson died after being pushed to the ground by a police officer not wearing ID, Stephenson said it was "absolutely unacceptable" for officers to cover or remove their shoulder tags bearing identification numbers. However, a video taken by one of the protesters at the London demonstration clearly shows an officer not displaying her OF QUOTE
And yet they are still doing it, here's the footage;
And let's not forget 'Alfie Meadows',attacked by Police when he was trying to leave the kettle, luckily taken to hospital, only to be told when he arrived by Ambulance, that the Police did not want him there, they only wanted Police treated at that Hospital, luckily for Alfie, the Ambulance crew got so angry with the Police that eventually Alfie was admitted, he could have died if he wasn't admitted !
Did someone mention water cannons;
QUOTE;This man had his eyes ripped out by a water cannon in the protests in Stuttgart against the construction of the Stuttgart 21 train station. The image is taken from Der Spiegel, and has done the rounds in Germany, but is not well-known here in Britain END OF QUOTE
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Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester?
This one robbed a bank.........and he was 71
Quote by medway_garage
Did someone mention water cannons;
QUOTE;This man had his eyes ripped out by a water cannon in the protests in Stuttgart against the construction of the Stuttgart 21 train station. The image is taken from Der Spiegel, and has done the rounds in Germany, but is not well-known here in Britain END OF QUOTE
The comments after the story states his eyes were not ripped out as they found the link to the story in the German newspaper
Sexlightened
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Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester?
This one robbed a bank.........and he was 71
Dave_Notts
Yes, Dave but he was holding a replica gun !
If you want to see how low the media can sink, have a look at this BBC interview with
Jody McIntyre;
BBC Interviewer; 'Did you shout anything provocative, or throw anything that would've induced the Police to do that to you'
Jody McIntyre; 'Do you really think a person with cerebal palsy, in a wheelchair can pose a threat to a Police Officer who is armed with weapons'
And as for Sky, infering that Police were trying to help him on another clip, i'm sure they did when they could see a cameraman recording them !
Sexlightened
Quote by Dave__Notts
Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester?
This one robbed a bank.........and he was 71
Quote by medway_garage
Did someone mention water cannons;
QUOTE;This man had his eyes ripped out by a water cannon in the protests in Stuttgart against the construction of the Stuttgart 21 train station. The image is taken from Der Spiegel, and has done the rounds in Germany, but is not well-known here in Britain END OF QUOTE
The comments after the story states his eyes were not ripped out as they found the link to the story in the German newspaper
Ok that may or may not be correct, i don't understand German so i'm not able to translate the original article, but then it goes on to say in the comment that he was blinded,
"A doctor says Wagner is “currently blind and might never have his sight fully restored”.
so not much difference in the long run, it certainly looked like his eyes were hanging out in the photo though !
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Ok that may or may not be correct, i don't understand German so i'm not able to translate the original article, but then it goes on to say in the comment that he was blinded,
"A doctor says Wagner is “currently blind and might never have his sight fully restored”.
so not much difference in the long run, it certainly looked like his eyes were hanging out in the photo though !
Ahhhh; the camera never lies eh? :lol2:
Quote by medway_garage
Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester?
This one robbed a bank.........and he was 71
Dave_Notts
Yes, Dave but he was holding a replica gun !
If you want to see how low the media can sink, have a look at this BBC interview with
Jody McIntyre;
BBC Interviewer; 'Did you shout anything provocative, or throw anything that would've induced the Police to do that to you'
Jody McIntyre; 'Do you really think a person with cerebal palsy, in a wheelchair can pose a threat to a Police Officer who is armed with weapons'
And as for Sky, infering that Police were trying to help him on another clip, i'm sure they did when they could see a cameraman recording them !
I thought you said our media, Sky and BBC were very balanced? So it was sarcasm?
What we need is work. Work that can occupy people. And we need to take a step backward in doing so.
There is less work each year for the new students in the UK. More work is sub contracted abroad and handled by students we educate. It has become a viscious circle of competitiveness.
Most of the students realise they will not get that much work. They won't get a house, or a pension. They don't want to start life with a debt they probably won't be able to pay off. Its no wonder they are angry.
We need work. We need to make things and grow things again.
There is less work each year for the new students in the UK. More work is sub contracted abroad and handled by students we educate. It has become a viscious circle of competitiveness.
Most of the students realise they will not get that much work. They won't get a house, or a pension. They don't want to start life with a debt they probably won't be able to pay off. Its no wonder they are angry.
We need work. We need to make things and grow things again.
Sexlightened
Quote by Max777
Can someone enlighten me how a man in a wheelchair can be a violent protester?
This one robbed a bank.........and he was 71
Dave_Notts
Yes, Dave but he was holding a replica gun !
If you want to see how low the media can sink, have a look at this BBC interview with
Jody McIntyre;
BBC Interviewer; 'Did you shout anything provocative, or throw anything that would've induced the Police to do that to you'
Jody McIntyre; 'Do you really think a person with cerebal palsy, in a wheelchair can pose a threat to a Police Officer who is armed with weapons'
And as for Sky, infering that Police were trying to help him on another clip, i'm sure they did when they could see a cameraman recording them !
I thought you said our media, Sky and BBC were very balanced? So it was sarcasm?
Obviously lost on you then
Quote by Max777
Ok,seeing as we are arguing over newspapers lets have a look at some of the footage from the protest which didn't make it onto our very balanced media ;
Well it did not show me anything new, just some young people, seemingly unable to behave in an acceptable manner
Now i know you didn't watch it because even i haven't finished watching all the links yet, and i only posted them a short time ago, sorry you're a liar !
So if you haven't finished watching the links yet, how can you claim that the footage is more balanced than the media's coverage?
you mean like this was on you?
Sex God
Kettling happens when marches stop being a sensible protest. The police then have to keep the protesters from causing more havoc elsewhere. March peacefully with no trouble and you will go home at the time you expect.
As for the chap in the wheel chair, after watching the clip several times, I find it very hard to see quite what happens to spark this off, the only thing I can imagine is he was where he was not meant to be and would not move. This was how the chap at the G20 lost his life, he was deliberately goading the police and walking slowly, do not get me wrong, I do not condone what the police done, but what the chap was doing was also foolish and pig headed, and at the end of the day where did it get him...dead
On the matter of police not wearing ID numbers, I agree with medway 100%, I can see no excuses for not having your ID number on at any time while on active service. As medway's link states; "All officers were briefed before the demonstration that their shoulder numbers should remain visible at all times," This must have been an individual who decided he would not comply, he should be dealt with and reprimanded.
As for the chap in the wheel chair, after watching the clip several times, I find it very hard to see quite what happens to spark this off, the only thing I can imagine is he was where he was not meant to be and would not move. This was how the chap at the G20 lost his life, he was deliberately goading the police and walking slowly, do not get me wrong, I do not condone what the police done, but what the chap was doing was also foolish and pig headed, and at the end of the day where did it get him...dead
On the matter of police not wearing ID numbers, I agree with medway 100%, I can see no excuses for not having your ID number on at any time while on active service. As medway's link states; "All officers were briefed before the demonstration that their shoulder numbers should remain visible at all times," This must have been an individual who decided he would not comply, he should be dealt with and reprimanded.
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Quote by duncanlondon
What we need is work. Work that can occupy people. And we need to take a step backward in doing so.
There is less work each year for the new students in the UK. More work is sub contracted abroad and handled by students we educate. It has become a viscious circle of competitiveness.
Most of the students realise they will not get that much work. They won't get a house, or a pension. They don't want to start life with a debt they probably won't be able to pay off. Its no wonder they are angry.
We need work. We need to make things and grow things again.
If they dont get work or a degree standard job they wont have to pay it back so no real problem. If your are just going to earn an ordinary wage it should be pretty simple make sure you remain under the threshold for repayment.
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Quote by essex34m
A slightly different view of the student riots:
An interesting, thought provoking, and in places slightly annoying article
Quote by medway_garage
If you want to see how low the media can sink, have a look at this BBC interview with
Jody McIntyre;
BBC Interviewer; 'Did you shout anything provocative, or throw anything that would've induced the Police to do that to you'
Jody McIntyre; 'Do you really think a person with cerebal palsy, in a wheelchair can pose a threat to a Police Officer who is armed with weapons'
Due to reading articles in tonight's Evening Standard, I went looking for this clip before I saw that you had posted it.
I saw for the first time the clip of Jody McIntyre being pulled from his wheelchair, and IMO, that officer is not fit to hold the responsible position that a Police Officer does, I also hope that he faces disciplinary action from both his employers and the law.
I also feel the reporter shows up the BBC and their editorial team for trying to get sensationalist angles from the interview, and I applaud Jody for his responses.
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So, there it is. The premier item on France's principal lunchtime TV news program TF1. Images of yobs attacking the Royal couple as they go about the lawful business attending a Royal Gala performance at the London Palladium.
Can there now be any wonder why FIFA gave the World Cup away to Russia?
What sort of message does this totally unacceptable behaviour give to the world about coming to London with the Olympics not so far off?
Those yobs are lucky to be alive (hopefully in a prison cell) this morning because in Russia, France and many other countries of the world, the protection squad would have just shot them and asked questions later.
And these yobs then complain about Police behaviour! The Police showed remarkable restraint in the face of immense terror at the hands of a mob - schoolchildren or not. The rioters were a bunch of cowardly morons and have shown beyond question that they are in no way deserving of funding for their education.
The decision taken by the democratic process yesterday is now shown to be the correct one in every respect.
If we are going to talk about 'yobs' then would it not be more appropriate to focus on the drunken neanderthaals who make town centres no go areas for the decent majority every weekend . And if we are going to talk about cowardice, should we not focus on those people who don't have the courage to go out onto the streets and demonstrate against something but instead grumble to their friends over their fourth mind numbing pint of beer?
As far as funding is concerned why should students NOT be funded? By undergoing a course in higher education, these people will eventually contribute far more to society than pea-brained yobs like Wayne Rooney who are not capable of anything beyond kicking a bag of wind around a piece of grass (and then, not very well, which is why the English football team keep losing).
With reference to the FIFA decision to award the World Cup to a country other than England, it is hardly surprising when England's representatives were two upper class twits and a lumpenproletarian who can hardly string a sentence together in his own language never mind someone else's language.
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To be honest Browning. Churchill was just a politician so I do not give two hoots about what they done to his statue.
I do agree with you about the cenotaph and the Union Flag. That to me is the same as a graveyard and the desecration is uncalled for. I hope she is charged as the lad who urinated on one in the summer and she gets community service like him.
Dave_Notts
Churchill was just a politician?
Thanks to people like him, the students have the right to protest!!!
Yes, he was a politician who sent thousands of men and women to war that never came back. They are who I am proud of, and they are the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice so these students can protest ...........not the politician.
Dave_Notts
That was not the fault of Churchill, the country was responding to a threat not made by Churchill.
The Statue is a piece of art which should not be denigrated, never mind who or what is at the top.
To claim that it was thanks to Churchill that the students have the right to protest is frankly absurd. Firstly, Churchill attempted to bring in legislation that outlawed protests-not least those of the miners. Secondly, Britain did not defeat Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and the United States of America did, and it took both of these powers together to do so because the Nazi war machine was the most formidable the world has ever known. Nazi Germany put only one fifth of its military might into attacking Britain and four fifths into attacking the Soviet Union (the second most formidable war machine the world has ever known), and historians are unanimous that had this been reversed, Britain would not have stood a chance.
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To claim that it was thanks to Churchill that the students have the right to protest is frankly absurd. Firstly, Churchill attempted to bring in legislation that outlawed protests-not least those of the miners. Secondly, Britain did not defeat Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and the United States of America did, and it took both of these powers together to do so because the Nazi war machine was the most formidable the world has ever known. Nazi Germany put only one fifth of its military might into attacking Britain and four fifths into attacking the Soviet Union (the second most formidable war machine the world has ever known), and historians are unanimous that had this been reversed, Britain would not have stood a chance.
Depends which historians you study.
The ones whose work I have read say that the likelihood of a German invasion prior to 1943-4 was highly unlikely. Even then, without knocking out the Royal Navy, it would have been a blood bath for the Germans.
The only reason they done so well in the east is because they had land borders. Once they had a sea to deal with that is where they fell short. They had a good army but weak navy and only a tactical air force where they needed a straegic one to defeat Britain. The main reason Britain did not fall was because of the Channel. If it wasn't because of geography then history would have been different
Dave_Notts
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To be honest Browning. Churchill was just a politician so I do not give two hoots about what they done to his statue.
I do agree with you about the cenotaph and the Union Flag. That to me is the same as a graveyard and the desecration is uncalled for. I hope she is charged as the lad who urinated on one in the summer and she gets community service like him.
Dave_Notts
Churchill was just a politician?
Thanks to people like him, the students have the right to protest!!!
Yes, he was a politician who sent thousands of men and women to war that never came back. They are who I am proud of, and they are the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice so these students can protest ...........not the politician.
Dave_Notts
That was not the fault of Churchill, the country was responding to a threat not made by Churchill.
The Statue is a piece of art which should not be denigrated, never mind who or what is at the top.
To claim that it was thanks to Churchillthat the students have the right to protest is frankly absurd. Firstly, Churchill attempted to bring in legislation that outlawed protests-not least those of the miners. Secondly, Britain did not defeat Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and the United States of America did, and it took both of these powers together to do so because the Nazi war machine was the most formidable the world has ever known. Nazi Germany put only one fifth of its military might into attacking Britain and four fifths into attacking the Soviet Union (the second most formidable war machine the world has ever known), and historians are unanimous that had this been reversed, Britain would not have stood a chance.
I dont think any one did?
Quote by Dave__Notts
To claim that it was thanks to Churchill that the students have the right to protest is frankly absurd. Firstly, Churchill attempted to bring in legislation that outlawed protests-not least those of the miners. Secondly, Britain did not defeat Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and the United States of America did, and it took both of these powers together to do so because the Nazi war machine was the most formidable the world has ever known. Nazi Germany put only one fifth of its military might into attacking Britain and four fifths into attacking the Soviet Union (the second most formidable war machine the world has ever known), and historians are unanimous that had this been reversed, Britain would not have stood a chance.
Depends which historians you study.
The ones whose work I have read say that the likelihood of a German invasion prior to 1943-4 was highly unlikely. Even then, without knocking out the Royal Navy, it would have been a blood bath for the Germans.
The only reason they done so well in the east is because they had land borders. Once they had a sea to deal with that is where they fell short. They had a good army but weak navy and only a tactical air force where they needed a straegic one to defeat Britain. The main reason Britain did not fall was because of the Channel. If it wasn't because of geography then history would have been different
Dave_Notts
Well it was what I was taught at University, but I am prepared to accept that views have changed since then. But my main point was that Britain did not win the Second World War-whatever the Daily Mail might like to think!
Sex God
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Well it was what I was taught at University, but I am prepared to accept that views have changed since then. But my main point was that Britain did not win the Second World War-whatever the Daily Mail might like to think!
Correct, but on that point, I would suggest that Hitler himself made plenty of poor decision's which helped the allies along, particularly towards the later parts of the war. Of coarse no one country can claim to have won the war by there selves, it was a team game, if you like, and we can all choose our man of the match, as it were
