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Verbal abuse is not the same as use of the word fuck ....everyone has the right to be protected from any kind of single out certain words as in and of themselves abusive is nonsense
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Swearing at police is no longer a crime
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Quote by Ben_Minx
lol blue careful we might start a "fun" thread.
In one job I had we were conscious of the distinction, to the extent that we were offered training to cope with folk who needed expletives to express themselves if we were such delicate flowers that we needed it.
We will have none of that round here thank you
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Quote by Max777
Verbal abuse is not the same as use of the word fuck ....
But the word fuck is often used as verbal abuse.
Indeed it is ... but not by any means always
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Mr Cassius Harvey appealed against his conviction at the High Court after he was fined £50 for the offence in March last year.
Experts last night estimated that the challenge would have cost taxpayers around £30,000 in legal aid
So instead of costing him £50, it cost us £30, !
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling
Experts last night estimated that the challenge would have cost taxpayers around £30,000 in legal aid
So instead of costing him £50, it cost us £30, !
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling
Sex God
Right … so having said I couldn't be bothered, I find that in fact I can ..... I would suggest that anyone who isn't part of Starlight couple ignores most of this post
I will endeavour to highlight any more general points
er no. i would presume that the victorians had all of these. so they had issues as well as values.
a. A point or matter of discussion, debate, or dispute: legal and moral issues.
b. A matter of public concern: debated economic issues.
c.A misgiving, objection, or complaint !!
Well done for looking up the definition of issue , now shall we look at your original statement and see what I was commenting on …..
nothing to do with having victorian issues but purely about what most peeple find offensive.
And my comment that it references
And before you get all hot under the collar look at the court ruling on the sex pistols album never mind the bollocks....language changes, it's use changes...we are no longer victorians
I would still respectfully suggest that you were looking for the word VALUES
I already said that.
No you didn't what you wrote was ….
obviusly peeple swear at you a lot and to be honest i can understand why, but for most peeple to have someone to tell you to fuck off they would find offensive.
now the only way this really makes any sense is if we substitute the word THEM for your chosen word YOU , the phrase would remain an awfully constructed one, but would to some extent gain meaning … can I suggest that you try saying these things to yourself before you commit to posting them. Is it clear? does it make sense?
ok most and maybe not all. i would think that most peeple except you of course it seams, would be offended if someone told them to fuck off. but then again we all know you would not be offended as how could you possibly be when you use the " cunt " word (you meant to say 'the word cunt' saying 'the cunt word' would be to suggest that the word is a cunt) as often as you do, and aimed at peeple like the pope who (the use of the word 'who at this point renders the statement meaningless,edit it out and you are making a valid statement) most peeple would/did find that offensive. see mr staggers some peeple do not have any morals at all or values or issues.:notes: but the vast majority do have all of those. have a look at this and it may well help you at some point in your future.
Did you read this link ? It in no way contradicts the idea that EVERYONE has morals,values and issues … you are I believe making the mistake of believing that your personal moral code is based on a set of objective, universal beliefs; this is no more true than the idea that the experience of time is a universal ,objective constant ….... relativity now there's a theory
is that reely the best you can do when you have nothing of any worth to say in a debate?
No I'm (sarcastically, I'll admit) asking you what the hell you're talking about
only here mr staggers? i would think that most peeple here would find that one very very hard to beleeve. maybe you dont go out that often then? :grin:
er no i mean horrid. ( Adjective: "Causing horror. Very unpleasant or disagreeable" ). or Synonyms: " dreadful - terrible - horrible - frightful - awful ". funny how the word horrid has many meaning but coming from someone who sees nothing wrong in telling a police officer to fuck off, i do not expect for a second for you to have grasped the english vocabulary as of yet.
Two things here
1: I really do think you meant 'horrible'
That this example ...That was a horrible thing to say! ...is used in the definition only convinces me further
2:I don't think I've said that I see nothing wrong with telling a police officer to 'fuck off' … my point is and has been that the use of ANY word ,directed at ANYONE should not in and of itself be a criminal offence … the judge in question apparently agrees with me (to some extent at least)
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sorry you need to be a bit more cleerer in what you write my friend as i am sure peeple are finding your replies void of any sense.:thumbup:
The 'a bit more' is redundant clearer is a superlative adjective and 'says' more in it's form
Devoid of any sense …...DEVOID :to lack or be without something that is necessary or usual
Void of any sense …..VOID :a large hole or empty space, or,a feeling of unhappiness because someone or something is missing
now whilst the second does make some sense I suspect you meant either, void of sense,or ,devoid of sense (my guess would be the first) The word 'any' in both sentences is both clumsy and to a large extent redundant
your rambling incoherently mr stagggers. and yes i do meen that word. which meens "Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner".
So you looked in that mirror then (oh and I think you mean YOU'RE as in, you are … or did you mean, your incoherent ramblings ? If you meant the latter we have a problem with tense in the rest of your statement)
you obviusly have very few morals (morals are not a measure of quantity,one does not have more or less,my moral code is I'm sure DIFFERENT to yours) and i would presume that you would find no problem in telling a head teecher to fuck off if heavens forbid he told one of your kids off, if you have any and if not then would find it ok for other parents to tell a teecher to fuck off. or what about your gp? is that acceptable as well?
You seem to have a problem with grasping the ideas of context and expected outcomes ….
If, for example, I were to find myself in a social situation talking with a head teacher or G.P. Then I would have no qualms in using whatever language I felt appropriate … If however I were talking to the same person in a formal setting, My language would be different … in one situation I have no expectations from the meeting in the other I would have expectations of the outcome …. context and expectations.
So returning to the original subject … whilst I see nothing inherently wrong with saying fuck to a police officer,to expect anything other than a negative result is,to say the least,wildly optimistic.
what being on here has got to do with anything is just yet another of your incoherent ramblings, and yet more point scoring. sorry no points for you today mr staggers as you have made yourself look a bit of a chump!!
No it is a pertinent point...many of you claim not to swear because of your upbringing and your parents example,I would suggest that few ,if any, of you are the children of swingers,that non of your parents taught you that non-monogamous relationships are anything other than wrong. This suggests to me that the 'fact' that you don't swear is less to do with parenting and more to do with choice … i.e. YOU have made the moral choice to seek sexual relationships that your parents would I'm sure disapprove of,and YOU have made the moral choice not to swear
and yes before you come back and again make yourself look foolish as usual, i did meen chump. " Someone who does not understand the basics of life on earth. Confused easily ". there you go saves you looking it up my friend.
:thumbup::notes:
morality and boundaries and being taught right from wrong by your elders, is usually what most peeple live there lives by and how they bring there children those guidelines are becoming more rarer by the month hence why swearing at a police officer is just the start and soon peeple like those on here will have us beleeve that striking a police officer is fare game as well as they are a target. to many demonstrations where bash the copper is the number one game some peeple have twisted values.
There are many people from whom I would accept criticism of my grammar ,there are fewer from whom I would accept criticism of my ability to use language,your rambling, incoherent and frequently insulting posts do not put you in either group.
I would like to stress (before you start moaning) that non of the above is related to your spelling ... but is about your murdering of something I hold in high regard, the English language
I will endeavour to highlight any more general points
Quote by starlightcouple
(the word you're looking for is values
er no. i would presume that the victorians had all of these. so they had issues as well as values.
a. A point or matter of discussion, debate, or dispute: legal and moral issues.
b. A matter of public concern: debated economic issues.
c.A misgiving, objection, or complaint !!
Well done for looking up the definition of issue , now shall we look at your original statement and see what I was commenting on …..
nothing to do with having victorian issues but purely about what most peeple find offensive.
And my comment that it references
And before you get all hot under the collar look at the court ruling on the sex pistols album never mind the bollocks....language changes, it's use changes...we are no longer victorians
I would still respectfully suggest that you were looking for the word VALUES
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(for most people to have someone tell THEM to...)
I already said that.
No you didn't what you wrote was ….
obviusly peeple swear at you a lot and to be honest i can understand why, but for most peeple to have someone to tell you to fuck off they would find offensive.
now the only way this really makes any sense is if we substitute the word THEM for your chosen word YOU , the phrase would remain an awfully constructed one, but would to some extent gain meaning … can I suggest that you try saying these things to yourself before you commit to posting them. Is it clear? does it make sense?
ok most and maybe not all. i would think that most peeple except you of course it seams, would be offended if someone told them to fuck off. but then again we all know you would not be offended as how could you possibly be when you use the " cunt " word (you meant to say 'the word cunt' saying 'the cunt word' would be to suggest that the word is a cunt) as often as you do, and aimed at peeple like the pope who (the use of the word 'who at this point renders the statement meaningless,edit it out and you are making a valid statement) most peeple would/did find that offensive. see mr staggers some peeple do not have any morals at all or values or issues.:notes: but the vast majority do have all of those. have a look at this and it may well help you at some point in your future.
Did you read this link ? It in no way contradicts the idea that EVERYONE has morals,values and issues … you are I believe making the mistake of believing that your personal moral code is based on a set of objective, universal beliefs; this is no more true than the idea that the experience of time is a universal ,objective constant ….... relativity now there's a theory
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(what is this ?? all people only have a selection of words in their vocabulary...the number of words would be the size of said vocabulary .... your statement is meaningless and therefore redundant...please edit before posting)
is that reely the best you can do when you have nothing of any worth to say in a debate?
No I'm (sarcastically, I'll admit) asking you what the hell you're talking about
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(strangely the only place people are 'horrid'(you mean horrible by the way) to me is here )
only here mr staggers? i would think that most peeple here would find that one very very hard to beleeve. maybe you dont go out that often then? :grin:
er no i mean horrid. ( Adjective: "Causing horror. Very unpleasant or disagreeable" ). or Synonyms: " dreadful - terrible - horrible - frightful - awful ". funny how the word horrid has many meaning but coming from someone who sees nothing wrong in telling a police officer to fuck off, i do not expect for a second for you to have grasped the english vocabulary as of yet.
Two things here
1: I really do think you meant 'horrible'
That this example ...That was a horrible thing to say! ...is used in the definition only convinces me further
2:I don't think I've said that I see nothing wrong with telling a police officer to 'fuck off' … my point is and has been that the use of ANY word ,directed at ANYONE should not in and of itself be a criminal offence … the judge in question apparently agrees with me (to some extent at least)
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
(the no talent is redundant ...you've already told us that by saying that they're talentless)
sorry you need to be a bit more cleerer in what you write my friend as i am sure peeple are finding your replies void of any sense.:thumbup:
The 'a bit more' is redundant clearer is a superlative adjective and 'says' more in it's form
Devoid of any sense …...DEVOID :to lack or be without something that is necessary or usual
Void of any sense …..VOID :a large hole or empty space, or,a feeling of unhappiness because someone or something is missing
now whilst the second does make some sense I suspect you meant either, void of sense,or ,devoid of sense (my guess would be the first) The word 'any' in both sentences is both clumsy and to a large extent redundant
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And still we fail to recognise any irony..... on a page where one of the banners reads 'dogging' we feel it appropriate to lecture on what is and isn't morally acceptable....the thing is it isn't up to you or me to decide what is or isn't acceptable,morality is a personal issue.
Well done to all those parents who brought up all you good little boys and girls not to use foul language .... how many of them I wonder also intended for you to be on a web site looking for experimental sex with multiple partners .....like I said morality is a personal issue.
I am impressed by the awe inspiring lack of self awareness displayed in this thread ...well done to you all,perhaps you should all buy mirrors and take a good long hard look ... there is an old saying (from some book or other) 'judge not lest ye be judged '
your rambling incoherently mr stagggers. and yes i do meen that word. which meens "Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner".
So you looked in that mirror then (oh and I think you mean YOU'RE as in, you are … or did you mean, your incoherent ramblings ? If you meant the latter we have a problem with tense in the rest of your statement)
you obviusly have very few morals (morals are not a measure of quantity,one does not have more or less,my moral code is I'm sure DIFFERENT to yours) and i would presume that you would find no problem in telling a head teecher to fuck off if heavens forbid he told one of your kids off, if you have any and if not then would find it ok for other parents to tell a teecher to fuck off. or what about your gp? is that acceptable as well?
You seem to have a problem with grasping the ideas of context and expected outcomes ….
If, for example, I were to find myself in a social situation talking with a head teacher or G.P. Then I would have no qualms in using whatever language I felt appropriate … If however I were talking to the same person in a formal setting, My language would be different … in one situation I have no expectations from the meeting in the other I would have expectations of the outcome …. context and expectations.
So returning to the original subject … whilst I see nothing inherently wrong with saying fuck to a police officer,to expect anything other than a negative result is,to say the least,wildly optimistic.
what being on here has got to do with anything is just yet another of your incoherent ramblings, and yet more point scoring. sorry no points for you today mr staggers as you have made yourself look a bit of a chump!!
No it is a pertinent point...many of you claim not to swear because of your upbringing and your parents example,I would suggest that few ,if any, of you are the children of swingers,that non of your parents taught you that non-monogamous relationships are anything other than wrong. This suggests to me that the 'fact' that you don't swear is less to do with parenting and more to do with choice … i.e. YOU have made the moral choice to seek sexual relationships that your parents would I'm sure disapprove of,and YOU have made the moral choice not to swear
and yes before you come back and again make yourself look foolish as usual, i did meen chump. " Someone who does not understand the basics of life on earth. Confused easily ". there you go saves you looking it up my friend.
:thumbup::notes:
morality and boundaries and being taught right from wrong by your elders, is usually what most peeple live there lives by and how they bring there children those guidelines are becoming more rarer by the month hence why swearing at a police officer is just the start and soon peeple like those on here will have us beleeve that striking a police officer is fare game as well as they are a target. to many demonstrations where bash the copper is the number one game some peeple have twisted values.
There are many people from whom I would accept criticism of my grammar ,there are fewer from whom I would accept criticism of my ability to use language,your rambling, incoherent and frequently insulting posts do not put you in either group.
I would like to stress (before you start moaning) that non of the above is related to your spelling ... but is about your murdering of something I hold in high regard, the English language
Sex God
I would like to see those in charge of our well-being - teachers, police, doctors, care-workers - always upholding the highest standards of behaviour both in themselves and expecting it of others under their care.
That doesn't conflict with my belief that swinging is a legitimate part or anyone's life. An activity which is done in private - just like most people's sex lives. (Even dogging should be private enough not to 'outrage public decency').
The behaviour I am talking about is the public stuff, the stuff that directly affects others; colleagues, customers, and passers-by. It is a fact of life that you can influence what you get by making clear what you expect. If we accept loutish, thoughtless, asgressive behaviour we will get it.
We get young people at work - apprentices and graduates - a few of them have rough corners. It is made clear what behaviour and attitude is expected and it is rare for even one of them in a year to fall far enough short of that standard to need major realignment. Schools in 'rough areas' have improved overall behaviour within the school simply by presenting the standard, demonstrating it in teacher's behaviour and consistently sanctioning/encouraging those that fall short of it.
You get what you allow. Swearing is an obvious element to stomp on, using actual threatening language is already an offence, spitting is about to become an offence in some areas (I thought it already was), pissing in public is already an offence - quite rightly. It doesn't need every adult to agree that an activity (done in public) is offensive for it to be a good thing to make it an offence in an attempt to reduce it.
That doesn't conflict with my belief that swinging is a legitimate part or anyone's life. An activity which is done in private - just like most people's sex lives. (Even dogging should be private enough not to 'outrage public decency').
The behaviour I am talking about is the public stuff, the stuff that directly affects others; colleagues, customers, and passers-by. It is a fact of life that you can influence what you get by making clear what you expect. If we accept loutish, thoughtless, asgressive behaviour we will get it.
We get young people at work - apprentices and graduates - a few of them have rough corners. It is made clear what behaviour and attitude is expected and it is rare for even one of them in a year to fall far enough short of that standard to need major realignment. Schools in 'rough areas' have improved overall behaviour within the school simply by presenting the standard, demonstrating it in teacher's behaviour and consistently sanctioning/encouraging those that fall short of it.
You get what you allow. Swearing is an obvious element to stomp on, using actual threatening language is already an offence, spitting is about to become an offence in some areas (I thought it already was), pissing in public is already an offence - quite rightly. It doesn't need every adult to agree that an activity (done in public) is offensive for it to be a good thing to make it an offence in an attempt to reduce it.
oh deer seems the forum bully is a bit confused with what he meens. i do not meen to sound rude but that is how i see you. every forum has one i am afraid. :notes:
seems some peeple can get right under your skin my you reely reely have to have the last word on everything.:notes:
and on that sad note i am finished with this thred as i have made a very valid number of points, where as yourself cannot seem to make your mind up on many resort to your usual incoherent name calling and foul use of the english language, of which thankfully many peeple still find the " cunt " word you use a lot on here offensive my friend. sorry if that disapoints you.
to continue with this is fruit less and i am rather bored with having to go around in circles with peeple who struggle with morality issues. i am sure that most peeple are now as bored with this thred as i now am.
i am sure we will touch base again at some point. have a very nice evening. :cheers:
now go ahead and have the last word. again.
Quote by on the one hand you
I would, but I really can't be bothered to sort through your inarticulate dross in order to extract some meaning,I'll leave you to someone else .... if anyone cares to translate the above please feel free to keep it to yourself ,I'm not interested
Quote by then a little while later after a rethink you
Right … so having said I couldn't be bothered, I find that in fact I can ..... I would suggest that anyone who isn't part of Starlight couple ignores most of this post
seems some peeple can get right under your skin my you reely reely have to have the last word on everything.:notes:
and on that sad note i am finished with this thred as i have made a very valid number of points, where as yourself cannot seem to make your mind up on many resort to your usual incoherent name calling and foul use of the english language, of which thankfully many peeple still find the " cunt " word you use a lot on here offensive my friend. sorry if that disapoints you.
to continue with this is fruit less and i am rather bored with having to go around in circles with peeple who struggle with morality issues. i am sure that most peeple are now as bored with this thred as i now am.
i am sure we will touch base again at some point. have a very nice evening. :cheers:
now go ahead and have the last word. again.
Sex God
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If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out.
Have you never heard of fair comment ??
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out.
Have you never heard of fair comment ??
"Oh I see now,you were right all the time"
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Quote by Bluefish2009
If a customer called me a twat I would throw him or her out.
Have you never heard of fair comment ??
"Oh I see now,you were right all the time"
About time somebody recognised that
Sex God
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I would like to see those in charge of our well-being - teachers, police, doctors, care-workers - always upholding the highest standards of behaviour both in themselves and expecting it of others under their care.
That doesn't conflict with my belief that swinging is a legitimate part or anyone's life. An activity which is done in private - just like most people's sex lives. (Even dogging should be private enough not to 'outrage public decency').
The behaviour I am talking about is the public stuff, the stuff that directly affects others; colleagues, customers, and passers-by. It is a fact of life that you can influence what you get by making clear what you expect. If we accept loutish, thoughtless, asgressive behaviour we will get it.
We get young people at work - apprentices and graduates - a few of them have rough corners. It is made clear what behaviour and attitude is expected and it is rare for even one of them in a year to fall far enough short of that standard to need major realignment. Schools in 'rough areas' have improved overall behaviour within the school simply by presenting the standard, demonstrating it in teacher's behaviour and consistently sanctioning/encouraging those that fall short of it.
You get what you allow. Swearing is an obvious element to stomp on, using actual threatening language is already an offence, spitting is about to become an offence in some areas (I thought it already was), pissing in public is already an offence - quite rightly. It doesn't need every adult to agree that an activity (done in public) is offensive for it to be a good thing to make it an offence in an attempt to reduce it.
The thing is,I do on whole agree with you,but not as far as language goes,I would much rather hear the inventive fluent use of ANY language be it expletive strewn or not than the constant dull drone of 'know what I mean''innit' 'chattin',I know it's language and youth use it differently but I swear the next time a kid from Yorkshire wants to 'axe' me something I will fetch one to introduce to them
Mr Cassius Harvey appealed against his conviction at the High Court after he was fined £50 for the offence in March last year.
Experts last night estimated that the challenge would have cost taxpayers around £30,000 in legal aid
So instead of costing him £50, it cost us £30, !
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
Experts last night estimated that the challenge would have cost taxpayers around £30,000 in legal aid
So instead of costing him £50, it cost us £30, !
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
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Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
Do you have to grin and bear it? Shouldn't it be stopped? Why should anyone have to put up with threats and verbal abuse? Presumably, if those threats were actually carried out, you would call on the police to do something about it. Would you still regard them then as walking around like a dog with two dicks?
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Quote by Onthebeach_1
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
i gotta say i see little if no respect from many of the london youth towards anyone or anything let alone the police
there is no fear of arrest or of prison in fact in a lot of boroughs its part of obtaining street cred
as a kid i wasn't in fear of not being arrested but more in fear of being taken home by the police to wrath of my parents
I'm afraid them days are gone and its little surprise that a simple fuck off is now the adopted phrase of the met as the effort of arrest paperwork and a general slap of the wrist that the youth are likely to obtain really isn't worth the effort
maybe the parents could do a little more to teach their children respect
jmho
Quote by Max777
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
Do you have to grin and bear it? Shouldn't it be stopped? Why should anyone have to put up with threats and verbal abuse? Presumably, if those threats were actually carried out, you would call on the police to do something about it. Would you still regard them then as walking around like a dog with two dicks?
i fully accept your comments, and unfortunately thats what you get in the public sector, trying to help people. And yes i am sure i would call upon the police if needed for what ever reason. it does not make me change my views, based on what i have seen. it apears to me that they are quite often happy to take the easy option when it comes to arrests or whatever. There seems to be a heavy handed approach in general, what does that do but antagonise. As per lizaleanrob said, we will never go back to the bobby on the beat, and the world is a different place. However they seem to forget they are public servants. I beleive they now have "attitude" thuggish behaviour is not part of the training.
In my home town on a Saturday night it gets flooded with police officers from out of town,who cannot wait for the slightest disagreement in the street to happen, to pile is a sport for them. it makes a good night.
I am sure some parts of the country do have real problems, but what is the point of arresting young people for fairly minor incidents. even a caution shows on a CRB check. A great way to alienate the young and scupper thier prospects of employment. Who on this site could say they have not encountered the law in some way, and maybe still do. i know when i was younger i did.
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
Quote by Max777
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
Quote by Onthebeach_1
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
Was the example you cite an everyday occurrence? I suspect not but I believe that a lot more drunken men and women would get thrown to the ground if the police presence wasn't there. What is the cost to the taxpayer of policing city centres at weekends? I suspect it's substantial.
As to your comment re respect being a two way thing.....that is exactly MY point.
Sex God
Quote by Onthebeach_1
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
If people new how to behave in the city centres on a Fri & Sat night the police would not be required there at all
Quote by Max777
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.
Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
Was the example you cite an everyday occurrence? I suspect not but I believe that a lot more drunken men and women would get thrown to the ground if the police presence wasn't there. What is the cost to the taxpayer of policing city centres at weekends? I suspect it's substantial.
As to your comment re respect being a two way thing.....that is exactly MY point.
i would suggest that the cost in policing town centres is very high! Especially when they are shipped in. The point i was trying to get across is that quite often the police response is disproportionate to the problem, and that it is precisely this behaviour and attitude that alienates young and some old people. As for the "regular occurence" i cannot say, it was merely an example, the girl was only remonstrating about the way that her partner had been treated, no one is saying they were angels! Where is the respect from the police to deal with the situation in a reasonable way. Easy, spray 'em, knock 'em over, sorted! that is not policing.
Sex God
Quote by browning
I'd love to find out where the judge lives and every morning when he leaves for work wait outside his house and say;
"morning you f*cking w*nker"
I wonder how long before I got arrested?
10 mins at a push
