radio four this morning reminded us:
that the worst recent strain of swine flu (1918/19) started initially with a not-so bad 'mild' strain. Only to return later in the year with the knock out punch.
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Swine Fever are we in for an epidemic ???
Quote by Angel Chat
So after all the hype on the news tonight, it seems that it will not be as bad as they first thought.......suprise suprise.
Scraemongering indeedy.
As I said earlier, damned if they do, damned if they don't. It's already being passed between humans, which was the original fear. 159 people have died in Mexico, and (as far as I'm aware) one child outside of Mexico.
Would you prefer that the authorities did nothing?
There are still people getting ill, the disease is spreading via person to person contact. Maybe we should just be grateful that this particular strain isn't as virulent as was first thought?
Lets put this into some kind of perspective.
Have there been any deaths in the UK? Er nope. Not one single death. How many cases have come to light in the uk? Er not that many.
Now why are we not running scared about these figures?
Dirty hospitals claim the lives of 9000 people through the MRSA bug every year, and that's just the recorded figures. If as I have stated earlier you were to contract Swine flu, you have more chance of dying in hospital from catching MRSA, than you have from Swine flu.
Dozens of people die on our roads every day, but that is never reported. As a nation we have become scared....we overreact.
The World Health Organisation were the same people who said a couple of years ago how many millions could die from bird flu....result? Nothing.
Of course I am glad they are doing something, but I think the mass hysteria now that surrounds this, has been blown way overboard, and the World Health Organisation have been negligent in their opinions, and their scare mongering tactics.
When in six months time it all proves to be rubbish I wonder if the World Health Organisation will admit they got it wrong, because they remain silent over their thoughts about getting the Bird flu thing much more wrong could these people be over the bird flu scare? They are supposed to be experts but...they are like weathermen....they get it wrong so many times...experts indeed.
They should stick to facts and not opinions, maybe then people would not panick so much.
Still it could be right as Michael Jackson is getting tested twice a day now, according to reports. :shock:
The real threat, if there is one, will be later in the year when were all more susceptible to viruses. By then, the bug may well have mutated into something more nasty too.
That's one of the reasons why, as a fit, healthy adult I've spent time with my friend who just got back from Mexico with flu symptoms. I'd rather catch it now, quarantine myself for a while and have some natural immunity to it's big brother.
Actually, having been KO'd at Xmas a few years ago by a very nasty flu strain, I'd rather not have it at all- but you know what I mean.
Chances are, this will go into the SARS/Bird Flu/Millenium Bug
bracket in time. Hopefully, it will serve as a test run for when the next major pandemic does strike, and not serve as a boy who sneezed wolf episode.
However, if it makes one ignorant, disgusting person cover their faces when they cough/sneeze then there's one less for me to lose my rag with.
My friend with flu caught if from someone who was in Mexico with them, that person has now tested negative. Which goes to illustrate that there is more than one strain in Mexico at the mo.
Out of the 150+ Mexican deaths, only a fraction have been confirmed as caused by swine flu.
That's one of the reasons why, as a fit, healthy adult I've spent time with my friend who just got back from Mexico with flu symptoms. I'd rather catch it now, quarantine myself for a while and have some natural immunity to it's big brother.
Actually, having been KO'd at Xmas a few years ago by a very nasty flu strain, I'd rather not have it at all- but you know what I mean.
Chances are, this will go into the SARS/Bird Flu/Millenium Bug
bracket in time. Hopefully, it will serve as a test run for when the next major pandemic does strike, and not serve as a boy who sneezed wolf episode. However, if it makes one ignorant, disgusting person cover their faces when they cough/sneeze then there's one less for me to lose my rag with.
My friend with flu caught if from someone who was in Mexico with them, that person has now tested negative. Which goes to illustrate that there is more than one strain in Mexico at the mo.
Out of the 150+ Mexican deaths, only a fraction have been confirmed as caused by swine flu.
as a pig farmer this is a very worrying time for me we recently sent 400 pigs away they came back in all in rashers and some of them was all streaky too im affraid a few more may have to go for the chop too but on a serious note its always one tradgady after another 20 years ago u wouldent have knoiwn about this new tecnology making news / travvel ext global incrise the hype about sutch things and as for british pig products i spend all day with them but ffs if one starts coughing and sneezing its outathere lol
what is happening in the uk at the moment is that organisations such as hospitals, social services, schools etc are completing and updating their emergency planning arrangements in case we do have a major outbreak here, for example the local authority i work with has already held one meeting before the news about swine flu broke as if they were expecting something and now this week we will finalise arrangements but obviously things will change because of staffing arrangements at that time etc
Quote by benrums0nOr at a deeper level ???????
It would appear the only epidemics we have experienced are the usual media hype and medical profession over reaction.
Could it have been a media thing by the manufacturers of the vacine to create a scare I mean there is a recession on :shock:
Thus creating a demand for their product :shock:
Thus sales through the roof :shock:
Its a bit like the Lottery do you know anyone who has won ?
Do you know anyone who has the bug ?
Makes you think though ?
trav.....
:D :Dthe problem will come later on in the year we anticipate that the virus will reimerge in the autumn and then spread over winter
a couple of good things]
1. it will take about 4 to 6 months to grow the vacine
2. Relenza and tamiflu will have been stocked up to 30 million and 50 million doses respectively
Anti viral masks will also be available (better than the current ones) to reduce spread
We couldnt be more prepared
a couple of good things]
1. it will take about 4 to 6 months to grow the vacine
2. Relenza and tamiflu will have been stocked up to 30 million and 50 million doses respectively
Anti viral masks will also be available (better than the current ones) to reduce spread
We couldnt be more prepared
Sex God
Quote by paladinem28
the problem will come later on in the year we anticipate that the virus will reimerge in the autumn and then spread over winter
a couple of good things]
1. it will take about 4 to 6 months to grow the vacine
2. Relenza and tamiflu will have been stocked up to 30 million and 50 million doses respectively
Anti viral masks will also be available (better than the current ones) to reduce spread
We couldnt be more prepared
Who are 'we'?
Quote by kaz_allen
we tried to order some face masks today for the staff and we have been told by our supplier that there is none in stock and that the price is going up tremendously
i have made sure that we have plenty of cleaning stuff and hand towels for the workplace, musnt run out !
we have been told that face masks are a waste of time cus they get wet quick from people breathe and then dont work !
we are now doing extra cleaning of door handles etc just to be careful
as if we dont have enough to do with actual childcare !!!
swine flu possibly erupted in mexico in february 2009, very conveniently for the mexican authorities and very conveniently for the producers of tamiflu. its not naturally possible for animal viruses to transfere into the human body. for the media to be hyping the effect of such a virus and creating fear and panic (less and less confirmed deaths as a direct supposed result of (h1n1) swine ? flu as time goes on).? and the supposed numbers of people infected do not by any stretch of the imagination constitute an epidemic ! pan just means worldwide. and as time has gone on, so now the pandemic wither's away and we go on to the manufactured news of bent politicians. when were they different ? research :- 1918 (spanish ?) influenza, asian flu, chinese flu, mexican flu, swine flu, avian flu and an average virologist will find the link. dave
unfortunately ms whips, you are the wrong. no viruses transfere from animals to humans NATURALY ! that does not exclude infusion artificialy ! hiv is a compound that was developed in 1961/1962 in laboratories in university california l.a. and injected into hundreds of thousands of africans in the smallpox vaccine programme of the world health organisation (u.n.)in the late 1970's early eighties. well documented and in the public domain. it did not arise in monkey's, chimps or otherwise, NATURALY ! sorry if this sounds abrupt or patronising.
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unfortunately ms whips, you are the wrong. no viruses transfere from animals to humans NATURALY ! that does not exclude infusion artificialy ! hiv is a compound that was developed in 1961/1962 in laboratories in university california l.a. and injected into hundreds of thousands of africans in the smallpox vaccine programme of the world health organisation (u.n.)in the late 1970's early eighties. well documented and in the public domain. it did not arise in monkey's, chimps or otherwise, NATURALY ! sorry if this sounds abrupt or patronising.
Your statement is incorrect on so many levels.
1. HIV is a cross hybrid SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus)
2. Interspecies viral transfer does occur (CJD/BSE) usually with mutation to the original virus e.g. avian flu, dog flu, swine flu etc.
3. Infection by Smallpox has actually been seen as a preventer of HIV-1 spread in some african communities.
4. Documented SIV to HIV cross-over has occured as early as 1930 and reported in the 1920's so to refer it as a compound developed inthe 1960's is just incorrect.
Hope that helps to inform.
Ms-whips is very correct in the environment as a transmission bond between animals.
Quote by Ms_Whips
unfortunately ms whips, you are the wrong. no viruses transfere from animals to humans NATURALY ! that does not exclude infusion artificialy ! hiv is a compound that was developed in 1961/1962 in laboratories in university california l.a. and injected into hundreds of thousands of africans in the smallpox vaccine programme of the world health organisation (u.n.)in the late 1970's early eighties. well documented and in the public domain. it did not arise in monkey's, chimps or otherwise, NATURALY ! sorry if this sounds abrupt or patronising.
actually i know for a fact that i am not wrong as i hold a first degree in agriculture, horticulture and animal husbandry which covers the topic of zoonoses. i also hold a number of other qualifications that the study of zoonoses have been a part of. you will find that the word is dirived from two greek words, zoon means animal, noses is diseases. the singular is zoonosis. it covers any disease, including virus' that transfer dirrectly from animal to human. we can also pass some of ours to them in which case it is refered to as a reverse zoonosis.
such things as malaria are not a zoonosis as the midge is only a vector (carrier) that transmits it to us. it is actually quite rare these days for new diseases to come about as we now have a wider immunity to the shared diseases. hence most new cases come about through our animal husbandry methods. such things as swine flu break out due to over crowding and poor conditions. just as it did in the first world war under the same conditions.
however, please feel free to do more research yourself. sorry if this sounds abrupt or patronising.
rouge_trader thanks for your support in my absence
whips
golly gosh, all them qualifications and you call the malaria carrier a midge when the real culprit is a Anopheles mosquito.
if naturally occuring diseases in animals naturally transfered to humans, then naturally, we, over millenia, would have developed resistance to those naturally occuring in nature diseases, or, we would'nt be here. swine flue (spanish) flu, asian/chinese (avian) flu did not occur naturally. they were and are a product of unatural infusion by man to improve productivity and or bi-products of accompaning vehicles. for the who (un) and following governments to declare a pandemic so early and with so small amount of data must surely raise questions for you ?
Quote by gulsonroad30664no matter your reasoning for the cause of 'species-jump', it does actually happen.
if naturally occuring diseases in animals naturally transfered to humans, then naturally, we, over millenia, would have developed resistance to those naturally occuring in nature diseases, or, we would'nt be here. swine flue (spanish) flu, asian/chinese (avian) flu did not occur naturally. they were and are a product of unatural infusion by man to improve productivity and or bi-products of accompaning vehicles. for the who (un) and following governments to declare a pandemic so early and with so small amount of data must surely raise questions for you ?
lp
