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Swine Fever are we in for an epidemic ???
Sexlightened
Why cure the common cold when you can sell millions of pills?
Quote by Trahern
Why cure the common cold when you can sell millions of pills?
For the same reasons as we have just found out the childs medicines over the counter, actually do nothing at all.
All to do with money for the companies involved, and nothing to do with making people feel better.
Quote by anais
Not the first time swine flu has done the rounds and a vaccine was available back in the last 70's. Mind you - the vaccine killed more people than swine flu - I think...
The thing is I have no faith at all in the Government, and as always we are usually kept in the dark.
Remember the MMR jabs? All that scandal, yes Blair fuelled the flames by keeping quite as to if his kids were vacinated. By doing that a lot of people thought he had not had their kids done, so just added more fuel to the fires.
Swine flu is another thing that the Government choose to only let us know what they think we should know.
I'm sure what I'm talking about is the US vaccine that killed people (I read a few of the US forums). Also I don't think they would be so daft to use the same one as the late 70's vaccine...
My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
The government gives little information - perhaps because it panics people? I'm one of those who likes to have info so I can make an informed choice.
I heard on the radio today that 1 in 3 people will have it within the next 6months. Wonder if you can catch it twice?
I know what ya mean tho Kent - I ain't got much faith in government any more either - for a number of reasons!
My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
The government gives little information - perhaps because it panics people? I'm one of those who likes to have info so I can make an informed choice.
I heard on the radio today that 1 in 3 people will have it within the next 6months. Wonder if you can catch it twice?
I know what ya mean tho Kent - I ain't got much faith in government any more either - for a number of reasons!
Sex God
Quote by anais
My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
Listening to a Doctor on GMTV this morning Tamiflu should not be given to pregnant women :shock:
There is another vacine (the name escapes me at present) that is taken via an inhaler that is safe for pregnant women to use...
Quote by Steve
My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
Listening to a Doctor on GMTV this morning Tamiflu should not be given to pregnant women :shock:
There is another vacine (the name escapes me at present) that is taken via an inhaler that is safe for pregnant women to use...Nether are vaccines. Tamiflu is a drug and works only while present in the body. It does not create anti-bodies as a vaccine does. It works well against flu viruses, if given early enough.
Like all drugs it has side effects!
Sex God
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My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
Listening to a Doctor on GMTV this morning Tamiflu should not be given to pregnant women :shock:
There is another vacine (the name escapes me at present) that is taken via an inhaler that is safe for pregnant women to use...Nether are vaccines. Tamiflu is a drug and works only while present in the body. It does not create anti-bodies as a vaccine does. It works well against flu viruses, if given early enough.
Like all drugs it has side effects!
I'll call them medication then if it suits
The fact still remains that Tamiflu it was said should not be given to expectant mothers....
Quote by Steve
Listening to a Doctor on GMTV this morning Tamiflu should not be given to pregnant women :shock:
There is another vacine (the name escapes me at present) that is taken via an inhaler that is safe for pregnant women to use...
That'll be Relenza then! :thumbup:
To be honest, after what I saw tonight I doubt if they'll be able to stop H1N1 spreading to everyone. I decided to treat the family to a takeaway burger for tea. When my order arrived I asked them to replace the drinks and chips. They gave me a really weird look, until I explained to the manager that the person who packed them was the same person who was working the till and handling the cash! Money is one of the worst germ carriers, and how many people think of washing their hands every time they handle it? Not the little toe rag in my local burger bar!
Quote by Steve
My sons friend has swine flu (quite a few round here have it) her baby was due today and she's taking tamiflu (sp?). Surely it wouldn't have been given it to a pregnant mother if they thought it may harm her or her unborn baby?
Listening to a Doctor on GMTV this morning Tamiflu should not be given to pregnant women :shock:
There is another vacine (the name escapes me at present) that is taken via an inhaler that is safe for pregnant women to use...Nether are vaccines. Tamiflu is a drug and works only while present in the body. It does not create anti-bodies as a vaccine does. It works well against flu viruses, if given early enough.
Like all drugs it has side effects!
I'll call them medication then if it suits
The fact still remains that Tamiflu it was said should not be given to expectant mothers....
I do believe that once upon a time, the government said said Thalidomide was safe.
people say the normal flu vac gives u flu .... it cannot.
I attended an official nhs lecture last week this is what was said
30 - 50 % of people in uk will contract swine flu before october
The fit and healthy population should cope well with a mild dose however the weak, ill, old and very young will have more trouble with it
a vaccine is available and should be rolled out from august. NHS staff will have the priority vaccine, then the ill, old and young then everyone else.
Things change rapidly because the virus mutates.
Much beyond that is guess work.
I attended an official nhs lecture last week this is what was said
30 - 50 % of people in uk will contract swine flu before october
The fit and healthy population should cope well with a mild dose however the weak, ill, old and very young will have more trouble with it
a vaccine is available and should be rolled out from august. NHS staff will have the priority vaccine, then the ill, old and young then everyone else.
Things change rapidly because the virus mutates.
Much beyond that is guess work.
Sex God
Quote by midsprincess
people say the normal flu vac gives u flu .... it cannot.
For the last 3 yrs I have had the flu jab from my GP...
Every year without fail I get knocked off my feet and laid up in bed with flu.....
This year I didn't have the jab despite the surgery practically begging me to have it and guess what.....
Not so much as a sniffle
I rarely get colds, but was laid out for over a week with the 'flu a few years back over chrimbo. It bought on a nasty chest infection, and rarely suffered from asthma...I almost ended up in hospital.
Next year, I was offered the 'jab, and took it. I was bloody unwell afterwards- milder symptoms, but definately 'flu like. I've not had the jab since, and not had a problem.
I understand the science, but the anecdotal evidence didn't half use a load of lemsip..
Next year, I was offered the 'jab, and took it. I was bloody unwell afterwards- milder symptoms, but definately 'flu like. I've not had the jab since, and not had a problem.
I understand the science, but the anecdotal evidence didn't half use a load of lemsip..
Sex God
Quote by midsprincess
i think people can get mixed up with the common cold and a sever bout of flu.
What they say the flu vac prevents is a severe dose of flu which is very unpleasant and can kill weaker members of society.
A common cold doesn't put me in bed for a week.....Flu does....
Quote by Steve
people say the normal flu vac gives u flu .... it cannot.
For the last 3 yrs I have had the flu jab from my GP...
Every year without fail I get knocked off my feet and laid up in bed with flu.....
This year I didn't have the jab despite the surgery practically begging me to have it and guess what.....
Not so much as a sniffle
Maybe its because they get "Brownie" points (or a Brucie bonus) when they jab someone
Sex God
Quote by GnV
Maybe its because they get "Brownie" points (or a Brucie bonus) when they jab someone
Without a doubt....
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Sex God
Quote by midsprincess
i am motivated to work for money
mr sainsbury didnt give away eggs he charged for them
ford motors charge u to have one of their cars
naomi campbell is paid for her pics
the bin men dont empty the bins for free
does your business run on fresh air
GP's have to earn a living too.
And I've yet to see a poor one ;-)
Quote by Steve
i am motivated to work for money
mr sainsbury didnt give away eggs he charged for them
ford motors charge u to have one of their cars
naomi campbell is paid for her pics
the bin men dont empty the bins for free
does your business run on fresh air
GP's have to earn a living too.
And I've yet to see a poor one ;-)
I thought a doctor classed him/herself as poor if they earned less than 125 grand a year.
Sex God
I get the flu jab every year ... never had a problem with it and not caught flu either.
A couple people I know have apparently got swine flu - confined to home but otherwise ok - haven't seen either of them in weeks though. Still, does make it seem more 'real' somehow.
As always, the conspiracy theorists are popping out of the woodwork ... there something on youtube telling people to 'just say no' to the tamiflu jab as it's all a plan by the world govts to bump off the elderly and societies scumbags ... they've been watching Torchwood obviously ...
A couple people I know have apparently got swine flu - confined to home but otherwise ok - haven't seen either of them in weeks though. Still, does make it seem more 'real' somehow.
As always, the conspiracy theorists are popping out of the woodwork ... there something on youtube telling people to 'just say no' to the tamiflu jab as it's all a plan by the world govts to bump off the elderly and societies scumbags ... they've been watching Torchwood obviously ...
OK, I admit to a slight conflict of interest here - as an ex-GP, and someone who until last year worked for a vaccine-manufacturing pharma company, I have a little bit of the inside knowledge regarding what's going on. As Midsprincess so comprehensively outlined, the estimate is that 1/3 of the population will have swine flu by the end of summer. It's also been estimated that there will be approximately 100,000 new cases diagnosed per day by then. As it stands, the virus is very contagious, but not particularly virulent - the death rate is similar to what would be expected from a "normal" flu outbreak. In terms of the vaccine, it takes a few months to "grow" the vaccine - it's not a case of simply manufacturing it. The annual flu jab protects against the predicted common strains, and has to be produced months in advance of the vaccination campaign, so sometimes they get it wrong, and people still get the flu. The vaccine CAN NOT cause flu. It causes some flu-like symptoms in some individuals, but it is an inactive vaccine, and therefore cannot possibly cause any illness directly. If people have suffered from full-blown flu, then they've just caught a strain which wasn't in the vaccine.
And as was pointed out earlier in this thread, Tamiflu is NOT a vaccine. They are two very different things - the vaccine will protect people and prevent them getting certain strains of the flu. Tamiflu reduces the severity once you get it.
Apparently the Government have now ordered in enough vaccine to vaccinate the entire population - having said that, I'd be very surprised if we all get it - I suspect it will be kids, the elderly and the unwell, and, if there is any left (it will arrive in batches), anyone willing to pay for it.
Not sure whether that helps or not, but thought I should just set a few things straight.
And as was pointed out earlier in this thread, Tamiflu is NOT a vaccine. They are two very different things - the vaccine will protect people and prevent them getting certain strains of the flu. Tamiflu reduces the severity once you get it.
Apparently the Government have now ordered in enough vaccine to vaccinate the entire population - having said that, I'd be very surprised if we all get it - I suspect it will be kids, the elderly and the unwell, and, if there is any left (it will arrive in batches), anyone willing to pay for it.
Not sure whether that helps or not, but thought I should just set a few things straight.
Sex God
Quote by Tamcouple
OK, I admit to a slight conflict of interest here - as an ex-GP, and someone who until last year worked for a vaccine-manufacturing pharma company, I have a little bit of the inside knowledge regarding what's going on. As Midsprincess so comprehensively outlined, the estimate is that 1/3 of the population will have swine flu by the end of summer. It's also been estimated that there will be approximately 100,000 new cases diagnosed per day by then. As it stands, the virus is very contagious, but not particularly virulent - the death rate is similar to what would be expected from a "normal" flu outbreak. In terms of the vaccine, it takes a few months to "grow" the vaccine - it's not a case of simply manufacturing it. The annual flu jab protects against the predicted common strains, and has to be produced months in advance of the vaccination campaign, so sometimes they get it wrong, and people still get the flu. The vaccine CAN NOT cause flu. It causes some flu-like symptoms in some individuals, but it is an inactive vaccine, and therefore cannot possibly cause any illness directly. If people have suffered from full-blown flu, then they've just caught a strain which wasn't in the vaccine.
What......I caught a strain that wasn't predicted every year ;-)
Quote by Tamcouple
Apparently the Government have now ordered in enough vaccine to vaccinate the entire population - having said that, I'd be very surprised if we all get it - I suspect it will be kids, the elderly and the unwell, and, if there is any left (it will arrive in batches), anyone willing to pay for it.
I thought as a tax payer I was already paying for it ;-)
Quote by welikesinglemen
Hi Danne, our daughter has had it for 3 days now and her temp is fine, but she does have a horrible cough. She didnt have any side effects from the tamiflu either, which was a huge relief becaues when you read the leaflet it frightens the life outta ya !
i havnt read the leaflet .......... yet !! i read the leaflet they gave us bout the flu tho and that was scary enough cus of the possibilites of other problems with health especially when asthmatic
we got the tamiflu tuesday and she is still so poorly now, high temp, aching and awful headache :(
think id better read the leaflet tomorrow tho as the rest of us will probably come down with it i guess !
hope ur daughter gets better soon xx
