Clearly this teacher crossed the line.
I wonder how many other teachers have come close to physically losing it with a 'disruptive' student?
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Quote by kentswingers777
Have you a link at all, or do we all guess?
there you go
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Clearly this teacher crossed the line.
Just.
I wonder how many other teachers have come close to physically losing it with a 'disruptive' student?
I can imagine many have.
No wonder so many good teachers have left, as they seem to me to be fighting a losing battle with regards to pupil discipline.....there is none.
I felt like doing something horrid to my next door neighbours horrid 14 year son, but locking him in a cupboard with only bread and water for two years, seemed a bit harsh even for me.
Can you imagine how far this teacher must have been pushed by this pupil? I am not condoning such behave but jeeze we are talking about a teacher doing something so out of character.
I think under these circumstances the teacher should be given 500 lines and 100 hours of community service.....I wonder how many teachers secretly think good on him?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Clearly this teacher crossed the line.
Just.
I wonder how many other teachers have come close to physically losing it with a 'disruptive' student?
I can imagine many have.
No wonder so many good teachers have left, as they seem to me to be fighting a losing battle with regards to pupil discipline.....there is none.
I felt like doing something horrid to my next door neighbours horrid 14 year son, but locking him in a cupboard with only bread and water for two years, seemed a bit harsh even for me.
Can you imagine how far this teacher must have been pushed by this pupil? I am not condoning such behave but jeeze we are talking about a teacher doing something so out of character.
I think under these circumstances the teacher should be given 500 lines and 100 hours of community service.....I wonder how many teachers secretly think good on him?
The political correctness brigade have taken away the teachers authority
I recently watched the film,'KES' again.
What a difference to today's methods of teacher control of their class rooms.
I have also visited 'Blists Hill' near Telford where there is a Victorian Village c/w people in Character. There is a School c/w Headmaster who conducted a lesson as it was in Victorian times to seated modern day boys and girls. His authoritive manner, to my surprise, invoked instant obedience and discipline in those children.
They were shocked when they were shown and learned what the Cane and Strap were and for what,how where they would be applied.
I would not have believed it had i not been there to see it.
What a revelation.
What a difference to today's methods of teacher control of their class rooms.
I have also visited 'Blists Hill' near Telford where there is a Victorian Village c/w people in Character. There is a School c/w Headmaster who conducted a lesson as it was in Victorian times to seated modern day boys and girls. His authoritive manner, to my surprise, invoked instant obedience and discipline in those children.
They were shocked when they were shown and learned what the Cane and Strap were and for what,how where they would be applied.
I would not have believed it had i not been there to see it.
What a revelation.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Ithink it sodd that at 5 kids love school and at 11 they hate it. Always have as far as I can tell. Maybe we are doing something wrong.
:laughabove::laughabove:
thanks ben that the funniest thing i read all week
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Ferrule children are just the extreme tip of the rank and file.
I think what we have is fine,
taken from a previous thread !!!
and now you think were doing something wrong hmmmmmmm sorry ben tickled me :giggle:
Quote by Phuckers
I think that teacher crossed the line,try be in the police and see how teen thugs insult and treat you,a teacher attempting to kill a school kid what a horrible thought
Police train for riots and such sitiuations...teachers are just trying to give you an education...big difference, lets hope you are never pushed to breaking point!
Brilliant news.
I bet the little shits who give their teachers hell on a daily basis had better take stock. For next time it could be one of their teachers that "lose it " because of extreme provocation from horrid kids.
I am laughing my head off here, to think a jury in 2010 actually sided with a teacher over some teenage thug.
Nothing to do with Labour secretly getting involved with the legal system, as it is bad publicity? Forever the cynic me.
But for me a great day for British justice, and I do not see that very often.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Brilliant news.
I bet the little shits who give their teachers hell on a daily basis had better take stock. For next time it could be one of their teachers that "lose it " because of extreme provocation from horrid kids.
I am laughing my head off here, to think a jury in 2010 actually sided with a teacher over some teenage thug.
Nothing to do with Labour secretly getting involved with the legal system, as it is bad publicity? Forever the cynic me.
But for me a great day for British justice, and I do not see that very often.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Christ on a bike! Kent, just when I think I've got used to you, and take just about everything you say with a pinch of salt, you come out with something that just completely throws me?
They didn't 'side with a teacher over some teenage thug' at all. The jury decided that Peter Harvey was more than likely suffering from a mental illness at the time of the offence, and so was not fully responsible for his actions when he fractured a 14 year old boy's ((( A boy to which he had a duty of care, yadda yadda ya ))) skull with a 3 kilogram weight, and hospitalised him. They accepted that he was in no fit state to deal rationally and reasonably with the provocations of those under his 'care'.
This is not a ringing endorsement of yer Daily Mail's feral youth agenda mate. It's nothing to crow about. It's not even remotely funny? :?
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Quote by Lost
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Teachers work five weeks a year?
Don't they get enough holiday as it is?
*puts on tinfoil hat and waits for teachers*
Sex God
Quote by essex34m
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Teachers work five weeks a year?
Don't they get enough holiday as it is?
*puts on tinfoil hat and waits for teachers*
:lol2: Essex ya git
that "teaches" me I should proof read my own posts. If you don't mind i'll go back and edit :smile: Quote by Lost
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Losty you nuts or sumfink?
Think this one has been done to death on here but.....the kids are off from school for 13 weeks of the year, which means teachers are also off for 13 weeks of the year.
Yes I know they do " stuff " in the holidays, but my mate who is a caretaker states that in the seven weeks summer holiday most teachers he never sees in all that time, so there is seven weeks in one hit.
I have said that I would not want to do their job, and they would not want to do mine but....I get four weeks a year off and do not have the luxury of being able to do any of my work from " home ". The five weeks holiday you say they get is a tad more than that.
It's a tough life mate.
Quote by neilinleeds
Brilliant news.
I bet the little shits who give their teachers hell on a daily basis had better take stock. For next time it could be one of their teachers that "lose it " because of extreme provocation from horrid kids.
I am laughing my head off here, to think a jury in 2010 actually sided with a teacher over some teenage thug.
Nothing to do with Labour secretly getting involved with the legal system, as it is bad publicity? Forever the cynic me.
But for me a great day for British justice, and I do not see that very often.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Christ on a bike! Kent, just when I think I've got used to you, and take just about everything you say with a pinch of salt, you come out with something that just completely throws me?
They didn't 'side with a teacher over some teenage thug' at all. The jury decided that Peter Harvey was more than likely suffering from a mental illness at the time of the offence, and so was not fully responsible for his actions when he fractured a 14 year old boy's ((( A boy to which he had a duty of care, yadda yadda ya ))) skull with a 3 kilogram weight, and hospitalised him. They accepted that he was in no fit state to deal rationally and reasonably with the provocations of those under his 'care'.
This is not a ringing endorsement of yer Daily Mail's feral youth agenda mate. It's nothing to crow about. It's not even remotely funny? :?
N x x x ;)
More than likely????
They experts on mental illness now then?
Let me believe just for a second that the jury decided that the teacher was provoked to such a degree, that he was within his rights to act as he did.
As for your pinch of salt comment.....bovvered?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Losty you nuts or sumfink?
Think this one has been done to death on here but.....the kids are off from school for 13 weeks of the year, which means teachers are also off for 13 weeks of the year.
Yes I know they do " stuff " in the holidays, but my mate who is a caretaker states that in the seven weeks summer holiday most teachers he never sees in all that time, so there is seven weeks in one hit.
I have said that I would not want to do their job, and they would not want to do mine but....I get four weeks a year off and do not have the luxury of being able to do any of my work from " home ". The five weeks holiday you say they get is a tad more than that.
It's a tough life mate.
Losty didn't actually say we have five weeks' holiday a year, he was suggesting that we should. Along with working 8-5, five days a week. Yeah, I'll have some of that thanks!
Just because your mate doesn't see the teachers, doesn't mean that either (a) they don't work or (b) they aren't there. Our school caretaker is in school to open up and to lock up each day. He works from about 530 to 9am, then 230 to 530pm ish, when he invariably has to kick out at least one of us. So, unless your caretaker matey has an unusual workload, he'll be there roughly the same hours and that means the teachers, naughty committed people that they are, could be sneaking in between those hours when he's at home. We don't have thirteen weeks' holiday a year and you know it.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Losty you nuts or sumfink?
Think this one has been done to death on here but.....the kids are off from school for 13 weeks of the year, which means teachers are also off for 13 weeks of the year.
Yes I know they do " stuff " in the holidays, but my mate who is a caretaker states that in the seven weeks summer holiday most teachers he never sees in all that time, so there is seven weeks in one hit.
I have said that I would not want to do their job, and they would not want to do mine but....I get four weeks a year off and do not have the luxury of being able to do any of my work from " home ". The five weeks holiday you say they get is a tad more than that.
It's a tough life mate.
Exccuse the long quote but I didn't want to snip anything relevant.
Kenty, I believe Lost was describing what they SHOULD have not what they have at the mo.
And I agree with it. My sister is a teaching Assistant. That should be renamed Teachers-Assistant-Replacement-Administrator-Spell-Checker(FFS!)-Lesson-Creator-Costume-Maker-Babysitter-Feral-Child-Tamer.
She often has to a) take the trouble-makers out of class (alone) and pretend to teach them in a cupboard (I kid you not - a CUPBOARD) or b) sit with the class while the teacher has to go out and do something outside the class. She gets paid buttons and has FAR more experience with kids and education than any of the teachers (none of whom even have kids yet). And is, frankly higher qualified than the majority of them, just not in 'education'.
There are many fantastic teachers out there - but even the best are not the be all and end all of who works in school.
But none of the above excuses the appaling treatment of that poor man by the 'children'. But having said that it seems that something went very wrong with his 'back to work' process.
Sex God
Strikes me there's an element of incosistency in one or two views expressed here
Sex God
Inconsistency? In the sense of diminished responsibility being a valid defence in this particular case, according to some people, versus diminished responsibility being a get-out clause invented by Human Rights lawyers and loony lefties, according to some people you mean?
Dunno what you're on about Staggers?
N x x x ;)
Dunno what you're on about Staggers?
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Or even that it's perfectly acceptable for an authority figure to beat his charges brains out with a dumbell but woebetide any youth who dares to question these merthods
Quote by Freckledbird
Two things
1) Teachers live in cloud cuckoo land. Not all but most
2) Kids are a f*cking pain. Not all but most.
3) Make Teachers hours eight until five Mon to Fri five weeks holiday entitlement a year no after school working bullshit, but OK for the one day a week non student contact day for teacher training/marking, that sort of stuff.
Losty you nuts or sumfink?
Think this one has been done to death on here but.....the kids are off from school for 13 weeks of the year, which means teachers are also off for 13 weeks of the year.
Yes I know they do " stuff " in the holidays, but my mate who is a caretaker states that in the seven weeks summer holiday most teachers he never sees in all that time, so there is seven weeks in one hit.
I have said that I would not want to do their job, and they would not want to do mine but....I get four weeks a year off and do not have the luxury of being able to do any of my work from " home ". The five weeks holiday you say they get is a tad more than that.
It's a tough life mate.
Losty didn't actually say we have five weeks' holiday a year, he was suggesting that we should. Along with working 8-5, five days a week. Yeah, I'll have some of that thanks!
Just because your mate doesn't see the teachers, doesn't mean that either (a) they don't work or (b) they aren't there. Our school caretaker is in school to open up and to lock up each day. He works from about 530 to 9am, then 230 to 530pm ish, when he invariably has to kick out at least one of us. So, unless your caretaker matey has an unusual workload, he'll be there roughly the same hours and that means the teachers, naughty committed people that they are, could be sneaking in between those hours when he's at home. We don't have thirteen weeks' holiday a year and you know it.
FB he openly says that the major school maintenance has to take place in the long summer break. There is no other time that allows workmen to spend that long there. Also he has to polish ALL the schools floors which he states takes about three weeks to do properly.
Whilst workmen are there he cannot leave the premises so he knows who comes and who goes. That as he states is a good cop out to say they work from home, some do but I bet not all, in fact one of mrs777's Daughters teachers goes away to her place in Spain for five out of the seven weeks in the summer.
You are not at school for thirteen weeks, unless my mates school is different from every other school, plus about three zillion " teacher training days " which always follow on from a school break. If as you say you work from home why can't teachers do their " teacher training day " from home, instead of having one right after a two week break?
As I Have said before....I would not want to do their job but I get annoyed when they make out they are so hard done by...I believe they are not.
Still I digress.
Quote by neilinleeds
Inconsistency? In the sense of diminished responsibility being a valid defence in this particular case, according to some people, versus diminished responsibility being a get-out clause invented by Human Rights lawyers and loony lefties, according to some people you mean?
Dunno what you're on about Staggers?
N x x x ;)
That word makes me roll around the floor laughing.
Lawyers use that old excuse as a means of getting their client either off the hook, or a reduced sentence.
Any person can use that and yes it IS a get out clause by the human rights act, and clever lawyers use it all the time even when their clients were perfectly aware of what they had done and also a difficult one to disprove.
Whatever the reasons he has been found not guilty, and whatever reason the jury decided this, they acted sensibly and in my opinion the right verdict.
I bet he thinks twice before pissing off another teacher, or anyone else for that matter.
Rough justice.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Inconsistency? In the sense of diminished responsibility being a valid defence in this particular case, according to some people, versus diminished responsibility being a get-out clause invented by Human Rights lawyers and loony lefties, according to some people you mean?
Dunno what you're on about Staggers?
N x x x ;)
That word makes me roll around the floor laughing.
Lawyers use that old excuse as a means of getting their client either off the hook, or a reduced sentence.
Any person can use that and yes it IS a get out clause by the human rights act, and clever lawyers use it all the time even when their clients were perfectly aware of what they had done and also a difficult one to disprove
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:*checks context of thread*
*Re-reads case we're actually on about, and reasons for not-guilty verdict*
Kent, just when I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you were maybe being a bit facetious earlier on, you just keep giving and giving.
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