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Just out of curiosity what didnt you agree with on the BNP manifesto?!
60% tax on any Chelsea fans living in Kent. :giggle:
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60% tax on any Chelsea fans living in Kent. :giggle:
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60% tax on any Chelsea fans living in Kent. :giggle:
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If I had my way there would be land mines hidden in every professional clubs football pitch across the land. If they want the overinflated wages they're paid then they should at least take some of the risks other people have to.
Maybe that was a bit shy ..... after all I didn't mention the snipers. 
I don't know you well enough to have any strong feeling either way about you Mr. K.
You do come across as someone who courts controversy, but you may well have the saving grace of an amazing singing voice. :karaoke: :lol2:
Maybe that was a bit shy ..... after all I didn't mention the snipers. I don't know you well enough to have any strong feeling either way about you Mr. K.
You do come across as someone who courts controversy, but you may well have the saving grace of an amazing singing voice. :karaoke: :lol2:
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Quote by kentswingers777
I have read their manifesto and watched their broadcast.
There are many elements there which I agree with, and some I do not.
The other parties manifestos I think are lies anyway.
The BNP will do better this time around, and it is possible that Griffin will be elected.
What they advocate in their manifesto appeals obviously to a lot of people, and seeing for many immigration is their no 1 concern, then I will not be suprised IF they do well.
Immigration has been ignored for far too long, and it is only in recent months that Labour have decided to talk about it....more like they had to seeing as an election is looming.
I think to ignore the BNP is a dangerous game to play, and if they get more than a million votes like they did in the European elections, then it is impossible to ignore them.
In some areas a BNP vote may well not be a wasted one.
Would you list a few please!
Of course but remember it is my and anybody's else's right to agree or not to agree with their policies.
Immigration and to curb the numbers coming in, which I think all the parties are now saying.]
Stop putting the rights of criminals above the victims...Restore capital punishment for certain crimes....To introduce a system of workfare for those in unemployment benefit for more than six months with compulsory work and training in return for decent payment.
The NHS policies seem about right to me.
To bring our soldiers home from Afghanistan, which is a big yes.
To oppose the European currency, and to withdraw from the European Union. Trade yes...to be told what to do and what laws we can have, is a big no.
That is some of the things I think are good policies, there are a few more but you did ask for some, which I have given.
:thumbup:
sounds better than anything i`ve heard from the top 3
will have to i-play the broadcast now
Illegal immigration will not be affected by new laws, as it was not affected by old laws.
Even increasingly heavy penalties upon employers for employing "illegals" is having little effect. Except to make potential employers insist upon applicants having a passport (false will do) to "prove" who they are.
The parties views on "legal" immigration tend to be the same: Let-in those with talent and not-let-in those without (in other words, poach the best, leave the rest).
I tend to think that educating/training those here should be a priority.
But train them in what ?
Producing things that are not produced here ?
Even the Conservative consultant on "biz" (a certain Mr Dyson) has re-located production abroad to cut costs (pay lower wages).
It's of no use to bring production back here if the goods are much higher priced because of higher wages. And the business is not going to attract employees if it only pays because that's what it pays its staff in other countries.
None of the major parties have any intention to withdraw from the EU, and even the smaller parties are only saying they will to get attention. The reality of withdrawal is less jobs, because of the application of cross-border tariffs, and the decline of business still further.
It's easy to say you will do something when you know you're not going to be in the position of doing it.
Even increasingly heavy penalties upon employers for employing "illegals" is having little effect. Except to make potential employers insist upon applicants having a passport (false will do) to "prove" who they are.
The parties views on "legal" immigration tend to be the same: Let-in those with talent and not-let-in those without (in other words, poach the best, leave the rest).
I tend to think that educating/training those here should be a priority.
But train them in what ?
Producing things that are not produced here ?
Even the Conservative consultant on "biz" (a certain Mr Dyson) has re-located production abroad to cut costs (pay lower wages).
It's of no use to bring production back here if the goods are much higher priced because of higher wages. And the business is not going to attract employees if it only pays because that's what it pays its staff in other countries.
None of the major parties have any intention to withdraw from the EU, and even the smaller parties are only saying they will to get attention. The reality of withdrawal is less jobs, because of the application of cross-border tariffs, and the decline of business still further.
It's easy to say you will do something when you know you're not going to be in the position of doing it.
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Well said that woman!
That is exactly how it went down, as while I wasn't there (I was working on both occasions, or I would have been otherwise) I know easily 50 people or more who were at each of them and thats exactly how they report it too.
The more recent one in Dudley went without a hitch at all, well from anti-fascist protesters anyway. It is the EDL who have been condemned for their behaviour on that one, while UAF were commended by local officials. Did this make the news in anywhere near the same capacity - did it hell.
Oh and before it's said - no I am not in UAF.:lol:
That is exactly how it went down, as while I wasn't there (I was working on both occasions, or I would have been otherwise) I know easily 50 people or more who were at each of them and thats exactly how they report it too.
The more recent one in Dudley went without a hitch at all, well from anti-fascist protesters anyway. It is the EDL who have been condemned for their behaviour on that one, while UAF were commended by local officials. Did this make the news in anywhere near the same capacity - did it hell.
Oh and before it's said - no I am not in UAF.:lol:
Sex God
Nick Griffin explaining to a group of American white supremacists his stategy for marketing the BNP to mainstream public opinion ((( Nick starts speaking at 49 seconds in. ))) :
There's a wealth of information available on the net, of which that is only one small snippet, that makes me wonder just how far the notorious holocaust denier of old has really come? I suspect, mainly because he's actually said as much on more than one occasion, that he may be trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
N x x x ;)
There's a wealth of information available on the net, of which that is only one small snippet, that makes me wonder just how far the notorious holocaust denier of old has really come? I suspect, mainly because he's actually said as much on more than one occasion, that he may be trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
N x x x ;)
Quote by varca
I base it on the evidence of the fascist activitys of the UAF at every opportunity that we have all seen on the tv.
The latest example is of the UAF protesting outside the BBC about the BNP's right to have their party political broadcast on tv just like any other UK party.
This is Left Wing Fascism.
All it takes is for right wing millitant hot heads to respond in kind to left millitant hotheads, on a bigger scale, to see major civil disturbances on the streets of our UK towns and Citys, not unlike those we are seeing in Bankok now.
This style of political warfare 'by other means' will no doubt escalate in the future.
'Volcano Politics' indeed
Ah so you watched snippets of footage of the Bolton and Manchester demos on the news did you? And from that you were able to ascertain that the UAF were the bad guys? Hmmmm.... well actually as usual the media 'cherry pick' what to show and as usual they never show the full story. A friend of mine was at the Manchester rally as a photographer and was there all day and I watched the Bolton one on a live webfeed all day and how the media portrayed the UAF is not how it was at all! My friend has photographic evidence of fellow photographers being attacked by dogs!
At Bolton The UAF were kettled in and entrances to Victoria Square were blocked to UAF supporters preventing them from joining the demo. Whereas all of the EDL were let in! Police in riot gear lashed out at protesters with their truncheons for no apparent reason and dogs were set upon people, again for no reason! 50ish of these people were then arrested, again the majority of which for no reason other than to complain about not being able to enter the Square, an area which had been designated for them!
Any trouble was without doubt down to the way everything was handled by the police.
Why would the media or any member of the NUJ show or report anything that would show the BNP in anything but a bad light?
The UAF have shown themselves in a bad light by their actions so don't bleat on as though the UAF are poor little innocents because they are not.
The Police have not always been as prompt and as efficient in their duties as they should have been especially out side Westminster when Nick Griffen was attacked by organised UAF Thugs.
How come that no one from the UAF got prosecuted?
If the UAF or any other group behave in this way they will be policed
(if not,it seems, prosecuted) accordingly.
I was in Blackpool last June and saw for myself how the UAF conducts it are a lot of angry, tinder dry, people on both sides and serious trouble seems to be looming ahead on the streets of britain and it makes me wonder how long it will be until the first shots are fired or the Petrol bombs fly?
Sadly,It doesn't look good now does it?
I do not think people who vote for the BNP are either ignorant or stupid.
The BNP's policies appeal to a lot of people, and I mean a lot.
They may well be trying to fool people, but the foolish ones are those that seek to push them underground by making them an illegal party.
A lot of their policies make perfect sense to me and a lot of others agree on that.
A lot of the " others " policies I think are just there to grab votes, as is usual in a manifesto.
To class anyone who votes for them as ignorant or stupid, is being foolish anyway....as they are not. Just different thoughts on what is important to them in their lives.
I have already explained the things I agree with in their policies, and none of that funnily enough is racist in the slightest.
The BNP's policies appeal to a lot of people, and I mean a lot.
They may well be trying to fool people, but the foolish ones are those that seek to push them underground by making them an illegal party.
A lot of their policies make perfect sense to me and a lot of others agree on that.
A lot of the " others " policies I think are just there to grab votes, as is usual in a manifesto.
To class anyone who votes for them as ignorant or stupid, is being foolish anyway....as they are not. Just different thoughts on what is important to them in their lives.
I have already explained the things I agree with in their policies, and none of that funnily enough is racist in the slightest.
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Quote by danne-gary
i thought it was a spoof at first cus i just caught a bit of it ... very odd broadcast and maybe iv missed summat but what was the sikh gentleman doing in it ... maybe i dont understand anything about them at all ... the BNP that is !
Even more irony Danne-Gary. The 'sikh gentleman' in question, a Mr Rajinder Singh, has featured in BNP election material, and has been good enough to go on record in national newspapers in support of the BNP's anti-Islam stance for quite some time, and is apparently their 'special adviser'. Funnily enough though, it wasn't until a legal challenge to the membership rules of the party that he was actually allowed to become a member, because he wasn't quite white enough for them.
Quote by kentswingers777
I do not think people who vote for the BNP are either ignorant or stupid.
They may well be trying to fool people . . . a lot of their policies make perfect sense to me and a lot of others agree on that.
I have already explained the things I agree with in their policies, and none of that funnily enough is racist in the slightest.
So you acknowledge that Nick is maybe just out to fool you, cos he's learnt how to moderate his language in a proper parliamentary democracy stylee, and some of their stated policies seem perfectly reasonable, that lots of people will agree with, and they don't seem at all racist ((( except maybe for those bits in the manifesto that bang on and on and on about Muslims, cos after all Islam is a religion, not a race, and obviously we are in no way meant to infer in a dog-whistling kinda way that their use of 'Muslim' is in any way a politically acceptable code-word for 'brown' are we? :? ))) . . . Can you see where I'm going with this ?
N x x x ;)
Er actually no I can't Neil.
He is doing exactly what all the others do.....lie to get votes.
They actually have more policies that I agree with than all the others. But there are a couple of their policies that do not sit well with me at all, and that alone is why I will not vote for them, but in honesty yes I thought about it.
They are saying what a lot of people believe, no different to any of the others again.
He is not really a lot different to Adams and his side kick, who learnt that very same Parliamentary code of politics, whilst still being terrorists at the start.
Griffin and his party may well have racist views, but views none the less, where as Adams and his supporters actually killed people....subtle difference don't you think?
He is doing exactly what all the others do.....lie to get votes.
They actually have more policies that I agree with than all the others. But there are a couple of their policies that do not sit well with me at all, and that alone is why I will not vote for them, but in honesty yes I thought about it.
They are saying what a lot of people believe, no different to any of the others again.
He is not really a lot different to Adams and his side kick, who learnt that very same Parliamentary code of politics, whilst still being terrorists at the start.
Griffin and his party may well have racist views, but views none the less, where as Adams and his supporters actually killed people....subtle difference don't you think?
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Griffin and his party may well have racist views, but views none the less, where as Adams and his supporters actually killed people....subtle difference don't you think?
Are we talking Adams, or his supporters, cos if we're including supporters, your argument there is on very shaky ground.
Neil x x x ;)
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Quote by Rob_hood
serious trouble seems to be looming ahead on the streets of britain and it makes me wonder how long it will be until the first shots are fired or the Petrol bombs fly?
Sadly,It doesn't look good now does it?
you mention Manchester in some of your posts above i attended as part of my wish to photograph social history what i seen that was to sides at odds i seen 1 side lay it's cards on the tables and say what they were about the other played cloak and dagger claiming 1 thing but showed themselves in the shadows to be what they were about
let me open the statement above the UAF Unite Against Fascism they are what they say on the the tin
EDL English Defence League against the turning of the UK into a Islamic state they are not racist etc. etc. really I watched this group of individuals listened to them and I'm sorry there fascia is in truth a cover for an alliance of football hooligans who can't find the thrill of the war on the terraces any more and have banded under this claim to be loyal subjects wishing to defending from the invading masses 2 million of this country are Muslim of them very few wish for a Muslim state (i can see the reason for mass demos etc) so i question why splinters of this group known members who are non racist would wonder round chanting racist slogans and when a group of 40 plus seen 5 asian youths (minding there business) turned and hunted them like a pack of dogs the only thing to save these lads were they tuned the right way and ran through lines of police officers
if the EDL are so proud of this country and there allegiance to Great Britain it openness and fair play why did they see any 1 with cameras press badges etc. as the enemy i thought freedom of the press was part of the cornerstone of this country UAF have no issues with the media or cameras been around
i also found a lot of the individuals from the EDL proved themselves to be very homophobic and some what miss guided as having long hair quantified been gay and or a so god forbid what such pure breeds would think of us as a community
oh by the way I'm Irish and have been on the end of racism in the 70's and 80's
feel free to question what is written this is a 1st hand account of what happened in Manchester
these people are why there is no pride. this country is caught in the shame that st pats day is a far bigger event that St Georges day because the right wing be it BNP EDL or football hooligans has this countries hung low I would love for the average English Joe John or Peter to stand up and reclaim there identity. this country would not be what it is if it weren't for migrants and as for them taking the jobs of english and people noting long term unemployed (career dole merchants) these won't take the jobs a lot of these migrants take 'they are above there station' who have been feral as families for generations now living of the state and blaming everyone else but themselves
give me the big melting pot that is my life in this country where I'm comfortable working, living and socialising with English Irish black Asian European Gay straight bi confused those who are run of the mill and those who follow alternative lifestyles (what is so bad with this as a way of life)
Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state
UAF are a mix of people who have there own identities who follow many different lifestyles and come from different communities the majority are white who are anti war
Facist?????? i will leave it to others to make there own mind up
love peace and respect
Quote by leprechaun
serious trouble seems to be looming ahead on the streets of britain and it makes me wonder how long it will be until the first shots are fired or the Petrol bombs fly?
Sadly,It doesn't look good now does it?
you mention Manchester in some of your posts above i attended as part of my wish to photograph social history what i seen that was to sides at odds i seen 1 side lay it's cards on the tables and say what they were about the other played cloak and dagger claiming 1 thing but showed themselves in the shadows to be what they were about
let me open the statement above the UAF Unite Against Fascism they are what they say on the the tin
EDL English Defence League against the turning of the UK into a Islamic state they are not racist etc. etc. really I watched this group of individuals listened to them and I'm sorry there fascia is in truth a cover for an alliance of football hooligans who can't find the thrill of the war on the terraces any more and have banded under this claim to be loyal subjects wishing to defending from the invading masses 2 million of this country are Muslim of them very few wish for a Muslim state (i can see the reason for mass demos etc) so i question why splinters of this group known members who are non racist would wonder round chanting racist slogans and when a group of 40 plus seen 5 asian youths (minding there business) turned and hunted them like a pack of dogs the only thing to save these lads were they tuned the right way and ran through lines of police officers
if the EDL are so proud of this country and there allegiance to Great Britain it openness and fair play why did they see any 1 with cameras press badges etc. as the enemy i thought freedom of the press was part of the cornerstone of this country UAF have no issues with the media or cameras been around
i also found a lot of the individuals from the EDL proved themselves to be very homophobic and some what miss guided as having long hair quantified been gay and or a so god forbid what such pure breeds would think of us as a community
oh by the way I'm Irish and have been on the end of racism in the 70's and 80's
feel free to question what is written this is a 1st hand account of what happened in Manchester
these people are why there is no pride. this country is caught in the shame that st pats day is a far bigger event that St Georges day because the right wing be it BNP EDL or football hooligans has this countries hung low I would love for the average English Joe John or Peter to stand up and reclaim there identity. this country would not be what it is if it weren't for migrants and as for them taking the jobs of english and people noting long term unemployed (career dole merchants) these won't take the jobs a lot of these migrants take 'they are above there station' who have been feral as families for generations now living of the state and blaming everyone else but themselves
give me the big melting pot that is my life in this country where I'm comfortable working, living and socialising with English Irish black Asian European Gay straight bi confused those who are run of the mill and those who follow alternative lifestyles (what is so bad with this as a way of life)
Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state
UAF are a mix of people who have there own identities who follow many different lifestyles and come from different communities the majority are white who are anti war
Facist?????? i will leave it to others to make there own mind up
love peace and respect
You sound as though you came straight out of the 'Crying Game'.
I feel that the UAF are the Militant arm of the Labour party and You seem to regard the EDL as the militant arm of the BNP.
Both groups of Hotheads and their antics are not wanted on our streets.
Imo, Riotous demonostrations are not the way. All they achieve is more conflict and you, of all people, having experienced extreme social conflict 'over the water' must know this all too well. I saw a year of it over there in the early 70's.
These days there is a working accord between those former and bitter enemys,
which i hope lasts and i can only hope that The UK does not have to go through that to achieve the same result.
The best and only way is for everyone to make their opinions count by casting their vote in the ballot box.
Quote by Kaznkev
The EDL are simply the NF under a new flag imo,and anyone who stands up to them is fighting the good fight .
The NF and the UAF are not legitimate political partys.
They are both a bunch of politically motivated thugs.
The BNP is a legitimate political party with 2 elected MEP's and nearly 1 million people voted for them in the European will also debate any topic with anyone.
If other political partys choose not to debate with the BNP then it is they that are undemocratic.
The BNP has no time for thug tactics or people who side with those who take part in them from either side.
Orgasminator
People might think that that the BNP wont really get a voice but they already have. And its getting louder. I can scream all I like that the BNP dont represent me in Europe but the fact is they do whether I like it or not. And how? Because enough people voted for them to win the seat and not enough people voted for the alternatives. Simples!
Its the thin end of the wedge.
Its the thin end of the wedge.
Quote by Kaznkev
The EDL are simply the NF under a new flag imo,and anyone who stands up to them is fighting the good fight .
The NF and the UAF are not legitimate political partys.
They are both a bunch of politically motivated thugs.
The BNP is a legitimate political party with 2 elected MEP's and nearly 1 million people voted for them in the European will also debate any topic with anyone.
If other political partys choose not to debate with the BNP then it is they that are undemocratic.
The BNP has no time for thug tactics or people who side with those who take part in them from either side.
Racist thugs who have an oxford educated frontman are still racist thugs.
Kaz,
we are on opposite sides. Ok, You cast your vote and i will cast mine.
I still like your avatar though.
My compliments ma'am.
Kaz,
You should hang your left wing head in shame!
"Oohhh, Ye Traiter Ye" (as barry fitzgerald said in 'The Quiet Man')
You've just committed a Cardinal sin by having a debate with someone from the BNP. :lol:
In the spirit of Detente, I promiss i won't call you ma'am again - ever.
That,I fear, would be taking things too far (my dear).:giggle:
You should hang your left wing head in shame!
"Oohhh, Ye Traiter Ye" (as barry fitzgerald said in 'The Quiet Man')
You've just committed a Cardinal sin by having a debate with someone from the BNP. :lol:
In the spirit of Detente, I promiss i won't call you ma'am again - ever.
That,I fear, would be taking things too far (my dear).:giggle:
Quote by Kaznkev
Kaz,
You should hang your left wing head in shame!
"Oohhh, Ye Traiter Ye" (as barry fitzgerald said in 'The Quiet Man')
You've just committed a Cardinal sin by having a debate with someone from the BNP. :lol:
In the spirit of Detente, I promiss i won't call you ma'am again - ever.
That,I fear, would be taking things too far (my dear).:giggle:
The objection to ma am isnt because of my feminist side,call me sweetie though and i will have your balls!
And debate is never a sin,the only sin is to close ones mind and be unwilling to engage.
Pity the other partys don't share your view.
However, They do continue to collectively and childishly to do a 'walk off' the platform every time it is the BNP candidate's turn to speak after an election result is declared by the returning officer.
The only points they are scoring are For the BNP with these 'Home Goal' antics.
btw, If i wanted to call you anything you would be the first to hear it and from me.
I don't think 'Sweetie' would be my very first choice though. :giggle:
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
Kaz,
You should hang your left wing head in shame!
"Oohhh, Ye Traiter Ye" (as barry fitzgerald said in 'The Quiet Man')
You've just committed a Cardinal sin by having a debate with someone from the BNP. :lol:
In the spirit of Detente, I promiss i won't call you ma'am again - ever.
That,I fear, would be taking things too far (my dear).:giggle:
The objection to ma am isnt because of my feminist side,call me sweetie though and i will have your balls!
And debate is never a sin,the only sin is to close ones mind and be unwilling to engage.
A sentence of beauty
Quote by Rob_hood
An interesting article into the minds of a BNP voter.
Yes, Imo that article is a fair assessment.
I thought so too, from some of the people I know who did vote for them.
It did make me chuckle reading the figures of a typical BNP voter, regarding how few of them read the serious media newspapers.
Fantastic article.
"The BNP won its first seats in the European parliament not because its supporters are all racist, but because many voters feel insecure and let down by the main parties."
That said you dont have to be a political scientist to work out the BNPs agenda no do you really go on be honest.
"The BNP won its first seats in the European parliament not because its supporters are all racist, but because many voters feel insecure and let down by the main parties."
That said you dont have to be a political scientist to work out the BNPs agenda no do you really go on be honest.
Agendas?
Are they the same agendas the others have?
At least the BNP are up front about things eh?
IF you watched the leaders debates you will have seen many times, all three of them evaded questions.....I wonder why?
I can also take a snippet from that artical...." Not surprisingly, BNP voters regard immigration as the top issue facing Britain. Fully 87 per cent of them told us it was one of their top three or four concerns. (This compares with a still-high 49 per cent among the public as a whole ".)
Still " you either love or hate em "
Are they the same agendas the others have?
At least the BNP are up front about things eh?
IF you watched the leaders debates you will have seen many times, all three of them evaded questions.....I wonder why?
I can also take a snippet from that artical...." Not surprisingly, BNP voters regard immigration as the top issue facing Britain. Fully 87 per cent of them told us it was one of their top three or four concerns. (This compares with a still-high 49 per cent among the public as a whole ".)
Still " you either love or hate em "
