My personal view is that the BBC were correct and you were wrong, regarding the last battle to be fought on British soil. The Falklands are not British soil.
If you are asking me as to my opinion on the ownership of the Falklands, I believe that it should be left to the Islanders to determine their future. If they decide to stay as a British Overseas Territory, then so be it and they should then expect to be defended by Britain should another country attack the Islands.
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Quote by Max777
My personal view is that the BBC were correct and you were wrong, regarding the last battle to be fought on British soil. The Falklands are not British soil.
If you are asking me as to my opinion on the ownership of the Falklands, I believe that it should be left to the Islanders to determine their future. If they decide to stay as a British Overseas Territory, then so be it and they should then expect to be defended by Britain should another country attack the Islands.
Then we are almost unanimous in our beliefs (in this instance at least) for me the question of what is British Soil and what isn't is more a state of mind, I believe the Falkland Islands to be British soil, in the same way that I feel that the wreck of HMS Hood is British soil, call it a war grave or call it a wreck or call it British soil to some all will have a meaning, to some the letter of the law or the geographical boundaries dictate such things but to me and some others, to the people of the Falkland Islands the Islands are British soil in the same way that our Embassy in Moscow is British soil it may not be legal it may not be accepted by other nations as true but to some it will be that way, I respect your differing view.
We do agree though that it is the people who inhabit a place that should decide who rules them in whatever form and to whatever degree is acceptable to them, in most cases this will have to be by the majority of that population, in some places that will not be as clear cut as it is in the Falklands with 100% in agreement.
I may have used some bad and out of date examples but in the end we did agree to that at least.
Sex God
With tomorrow being 30th anniversary of the end of the 74-day occupation by the Galtieri junta in 1982 the announcement of a Referendum in 2013 by the Falkland islanders on its "political status", with the aim of sending a message to Argentina and bringing an end the continuing sovereignty dispute is welcome.
The referendum is similar to a poll in Gibraltar in 2002, in which the idea of Britain sharing sovereignty with Spain was rejected by 98.5 per cent of the population. The referendum will take place in the first half of next year, with international observers invited to verify the results. The date and wording of the referendum question will be announced within two weeks.
Gavin Short, chairman of the islands' legislative assembly, said: "I have no doubt that the people of the Falklands wish for the islands to remain a self-governing overseas territory of the United Kingdom. We certainly have no desire to be ruled by the government in Buenos Aires"
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote.
Also with a voting population reported of being less than 3,500 you have to wonder why it will take the Falklands until the first 1/2 of 2013 to organise their Referendum
The referendum is similar to a poll in Gibraltar in 2002, in which the idea of Britain sharing sovereignty with Spain was rejected by 98.5 per cent of the population. The referendum will take place in the first half of next year, with international observers invited to verify the results. The date and wording of the referendum question will be announced within two weeks.
Gavin Short, chairman of the islands' legislative assembly, said: "I have no doubt that the people of the Falklands wish for the islands to remain a self-governing overseas territory of the United Kingdom. We certainly have no desire to be ruled by the government in Buenos Aires"
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote.
Also with a voting population reported of being less than 3,500 you have to wonder why it will take the Falklands until the first 1/2 of 2013 to organise their Referendum
I too think this is a good idea, to show the world what the Islanders truly think, perhaps it is not the Falklanders that need time to organise themselves but perhaps the worlds media and obervers will need time to organise themselves, though some of the settlements and more rural occupants cannot just drop everything at the drop of a hat, especially with minefields still impeding free travel there, I think giving good notice of the event is not a bad thing and I would expect a high turn out and an even higher % supporting thier political status remaining as it is.
Let's be honest the British Government may not be the best but I cannot believe many people anywhere would prefer rule rule by the Argentine Government who already upset them when they demanded that cars be driven on the wrong side of the road (yes cars being driven on that side is wrong - it is just not British
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Let's be honest the British Government may not be the best but I cannot believe many people anywhere would prefer rule rule by the Argentine Government who already upset them when they demanded that cars be driven on the wrong side of the road (yes cars being driven on that side is wrong - it is just not British
) Quote by HnS
With tomorrow being 30th anniversary of the end of the 74-day occupation by the Galtieri junta in 1982 the announcement of a Referendum in 2013 by the Falkland islanders on its "political status", with the aim of sending a message to Argentina and bringing an end the continuing sovereignty dispute is welcome.
The referendum is similar to a poll in Gibraltar in 2002, in which the idea of Britain sharing sovereignty with Spain was rejected by 98.5 per cent of the population. The referendum will take place in the first half of next year, with international observers invited to verify the results. The date and wording of the referendum question will be announced within two weeks.
Gavin Short, chairman of the islands' legislative assembly, said: "I have no doubt that the people of the Falklands wish for the islands to remain a self-governing overseas territory of the United Kingdom. We certainly have no desire to be ruled by the government in Buenos Aires"
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote.
Also with a voting population reported of being less than 3,500 you have to wonder why it will take the Falklands until the first 1/2 of 2013 to organise their Referendum
If on the other hand the majority of the Islanders do vote to be ruled by the Argentine government I would expect Britain to grant them independance and remove all British interests from the Islands.
Sex God
To go back to an earlier post of mine about the Argies offering cash for the Falkland islanders to up and leave. In this situation, if I were an Argie Politician, I'd make the cash offer just before the referendum and ask for it to be included in the question. Sort of;
"Would you like to stay on the Falklands as it is or would you be prepared to accept £10,000,000 to push off?"
John
"Would you like to stay on the Falklands as it is or would you be prepared to accept £10,000,000 to push off?"
John
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
To go back to an earlier post of mine about the Argies offering cash for the Falkland islanders to up and leave. In this situation, if I were an Argie Politician, I'd make the cash offer just before the referendum and ask for it to be included in the question. Sort of;
"Would you like to stay on the Falklands as it is or would you be prepared to accept £10,000,000 to push off?"
John
An idea that might work but the Argentines simply cannot afford that kind of money and I doubt they will curry the favour they seek with the population of Argentina in regaining control of the Islands in such a way, also as I said before it is not just the Falkland Islanders who now own land there, whilst the referendum is rightly only to be decided by the population actually selling the Islands involves many non-inhabitants. Would I sell my land there, of course I would but only if the referendum shows that the population do not want to remain part of Britain.
Sex God
Quote by Max777
If you are asking me as to my opinion on the ownership of the Falklands, I believe that it should be left to the Islanders to determine their future. If they decide to stay as a British Overseas Territory, then so be it and they should then expect to be defended by Britain should another country attack the Islands.
Quote by HnS
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote
The major sticking point over discussions of sovereignty in the 1960's was that the population at the time wanted to remain as UK citizens.
Move forward 20 years and the Argentine's invaded, so what good will a referendum do anyway? People don't recognise the last choice made by the islanders and the argies will still claim it's their land.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Being wrong about certain facts is not good, but trying to impose your will upon people and making outrageous statements is something which many are guilty of here, for example implying that "who gives a shit about the Falklands Islands being British" in some form is just as bad when clearly this very thread has proved that some do care.
you see mids there you go again. where did i or anyone else say the bit i have highlighted above
:dunno: what i said was clear for all to seeQuote by i actually
sorry but at the end of the day who gives a shit about an island 8000 miles away from the uk ffs?
not the same as you implied mids. not anywhere near the same.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Thanks for the shovel, are you sure you can spare it ? perhaps we should combine our errors in what we write and dig a hole together ?
have i made any errors here? if so where? yes i can spare the shovel mids, just dont ask me to help you to dig your hole.
Quote by MidsCouple24
It is easy to pick fault in others, it is easy to admit when you are wrong yet strangely some in here find the latter part very difficult and hence never do it, but then there are some that go through life making themselves feel more superior by highlighting other peoples mistakes whilst never accepting thier own faults, wouldn't you agree Starlight
nobody here trying to be superior at all mids. you made commenst which were proved to be wrong or very ill informed. i asked you on numerous occasions to answer a particualr question, you declined. pretty simple if you ask me. i have faults but when writing in a place like this i try and be a bit factual in my comments before i write anything. pretty simple really. no i would not agree to all you have written above mids for the reasons i have given.:thumbup:
Quote by Trevaunance
If you are asking me as to my opinion on the ownership of the Falklands, I believe that it should be left to the Islanders to determine their future. If they decide to stay as a British Overseas Territory, then so be it and they should then expect to be defended by Britain should another country attack the Islands.
Quote by HnS
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote
The major sticking point over discussions of sovereignty in the 1960's was that the population at the time wanted to remain as UK citizens.
Move forward 20 years and the Argentine's invaded, so what good will a referendum do anyway? People don't recognise the last choice made by the islanders and the argies will still claim it's their land.
Doubtless it will have little impact in Argentina but an overwhelming vote in a referendum may get the Islanders message across to the nations which the Islanders claim are being misinformed by Argentina, as to their wishes about remaining British.
Quote by Trevaunance
If you are asking me as to my opinion on the ownership of the Falklands, I believe that it should be left to the Islanders to determine their future. If they decide to stay as a British Overseas Territory, then so be it and they should then expect to be defended by Britain should another country attack the Islands.
Quote by HnS
To be honest, don't think this will be the end of the issue and that Argentina will always try to antagonise the islanders, no matter how they vote
The major sticking point over discussions of sovereignty in the 1960's was that the population at the time wanted to remain as UK citizens.
Move forward 20 years and the Argentine's invaded, so what good will a referendum do anyway? People don't recognise the last choice made by the islanders and the argies will still claim it's their land.
Doubtless it will have little impact in Argentina but an overwhelming vote in a referendum may get the Islanders message across to the nations which the Islanders claim are being misinformed by Argentina, as to their wishes about remaining British.
Sex God
yeah, I agree. Perhaps they could reinforce that message by sending it twice
Sex God
Please explain to me what you meant then because I see a statement of
sorry but at the end of the day who gives a shit about an island 8000 miles away from the uk ffs?
to mean the same as
"who gives a shit about the Falklands Islands being British"
If a person doesn't care about something as a whole then they don't care, they cannot then claim to care about certain aspects of that thing.
Passes the shovel back, it is obviously needed, perhaps banging your head against a wall isnt the best thing, it seems to be causing brain damage.
sorry but at the end of the day who gives a shit about an island 8000 miles away from the uk ffs?
to mean the same as
"who gives a shit about the Falklands Islands being British"
If a person doesn't care about something as a whole then they don't care, they cannot then claim to care about certain aspects of that thing.
Passes the shovel back, it is obviously needed, perhaps banging your head against a wall isnt the best thing, it seems to be causing brain damage.
Sexpert
Quote by MidsCouple24
sorry but at the end of the day who gives a shit about an island 8000 miles away from the uk ffs?
to mean the same as
"who gives a shit about the Falklands Islands being British"
My daughter, who has also been asked to do the security at the Olympics. On the one hand, I am hoping she has nothing to do with the Argentinians, and on the other bring on the latex gloves, lube etc..........
Sex God
Ah! Justice is served :twisted:
The Argentine in the video was a member of the mens hockey team. I see we beat them 4-1 and knocked them out! :lol: :lol:
I suggest a rethink of their final tagline:
To lose on British soil, you have to be Argentine :giveup:
The Argentine in the video was a member of the mens hockey team. I see we beat them 4-1 and knocked them out!
:lol: :lol: I suggest a rethink of their final tagline:
To lose on British soil, you have to be Argentine :giveup:
Sex God
Quote by Trevaunance
Ah! Justice is served :twisted:
The Argentine in the video was a member of the mens hockey team. I see we beat them 4-1 and knocked them out!
I suggest a rethink of their final tagline:
To lose on British soil, you have to be Argentine :giveup:
Quote by Trevaunance
Ah! Justice is served :twisted:
The Argentine in the video was a member of the mens hockey team. I see we beat them 4-1 and knocked them out!
I suggest a rethink of their final tagline:
To lose on British soil, you have to be Argentine :giveup:
A little premature perhaps? The Argentine ladies hockey team have taken revenge tonight.
