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Margaret Thatcher: a figure of history and legend
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I want to see it.
Love her, hate her she is a big part of British History, she was honest I don't say that about many politicians, she stood and fell by her beliefs instead of using stealth tactics, she was human and had flaws, she stood up to the EU crazies, she was the first woman PM of this nation, she supported our Armed Forces, she thought it was wrong for a single person to pay the same amount of tax for living in a house that 10 people paid for living in a house, she stopped the unions when they became power crazy, she became power crazy herself, she had an idiot of a son (how many of us can sympathise with that at times when it comes to kids) she was stabbed in the back by her party who ousted her rather than stand behind her because they knew they would lose the election, She made Britain proud in the Falklands War and stood up for a British Colony, She tried to improve our farcical immigration policies by saying we should ask "what can this immigrant do for us before granting permission to live here.
Perhaps some of those who do love or just respect her will think twice after seeing the movie and perhaps some of those who hate her will see her in a different light, time will tell and I think it is a good thing that we will have a chance to see a bit more of the real Maggie
Love her, hate her she is a big part of British History, she was honest I don't say that about many politicians, she stood and fell by her beliefs instead of using stealth tactics, she was human and had flaws, she stood up to the EU crazies, she was the first woman PM of this nation, she supported our Armed Forces, she thought it was wrong for a single person to pay the same amount of tax for living in a house that 10 people paid for living in a house, she stopped the unions when they became power crazy, she became power crazy herself, she had an idiot of a son (how many of us can sympathise with that at times when it comes to kids) she was stabbed in the back by her party who ousted her rather than stand behind her because they knew they would lose the election, She made Britain proud in the Falklands War and stood up for a British Colony, She tried to improve our farcical immigration policies by saying we should ask "what can this immigrant do for us before granting permission to live here.
Perhaps some of those who do love or just respect her will think twice after seeing the movie and perhaps some of those who hate her will see her in a different light, time will tell and I think it is a good thing that we will have a chance to see a bit more of the real Maggie
I want to see it.
Love her, hate her she is a big part of British History,
I find that as peeps get older they reflect much more on 'the good old days'
wagon wheels were bigger, peeps more friendly , streets safer
the truth is IMO life is as hard now as its has always been, politicans bullshit to suit themselves and yes they will knife each other to line thier pockets
maggie was a strong leader, and though I didnt like her or her party, she did get the falklands back however please remember the down side of her regime 3 day week, dustbin strike mass unemployment high interest rates
sounds just like today :sad:
best of luck to the film makers
Love her, hate her she is a big part of British History,
I find that as peeps get older they reflect much more on 'the good old days'
wagon wheels were bigger, peeps more friendly , streets safer
the truth is IMO life is as hard now as its has always been, politicans bullshit to suit themselves and yes they will knife each other to line thier pockets
maggie was a strong leader, and though I didnt like her or her party, she did get the falklands back however please remember the down side of her regime 3 day week, dustbin strike mass unemployment high interest rates
sounds just like today :sad:
best of luck to the film makers
Sex God
Quote by 4playinc
however please remember the down side of her regime 3 day week, dustbin strike mass unemployment high interest rates
sounds just like today :sad:
best of luck to the film makers
The three day week was under Ted Heaths government and a result of failing to deal with Striking Mineworkers who were effectively shutting down power stations. Mrs Thatcher ended that oproblem forever.
Quote by Ben_Minx
Aye we dont produce much coal anymore eh?
That would be because Maggie showed us the reality of the coal mines at that time, the unions kept them open, the unions ensured that miners had jobs no matter how few we needed they all got employment, she showed us the result was that it cost £20 to get the coal into the sack which we then sold for £5, she thought it was better to stop subsidising the coal industry and import the coal at £3 a bag from abroad, the prices may be incorrect but that was the basic situation, coal was selling for less than it was costing to produce, mines were forced by the unions to employ more workers than needs justified.
My father was a shipbuilder in Barrow in Furness and in the same situation, Vickers were forced to employ him because he was a union member and qualified welder, he hated walking round the shipyard looking for something to do and left to live in the Midlands where the steel industry was at that time booming and welders were in top demand by such companies as TI (Tube Investments) his skills learnt in the shipyards soon rocketed him to Works Manager, the Unions though needed at one time were not only forcing the best of British Companies out of business but stopping skilled labour being utilised in other areas.
Show me a powerfull British Union and I will show you an industry we no longer have as a World leader, Steel, Potteries, Coal, Railways, Education, Car manufacture and many more where once we led the world with our skills, productivity, expertise and innovation.
Sex God
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Show me a powerfull British Union and I will show you an industry we no longer have as a World leader, Steel, Potteries, Coal, Railways, Education, Car manufacture and many more where once we led the world with our skills, productivity, expertise and innovation.
Shipping too and I had personal experience of this. Fantastic Union negotiated employment terms and yet within a ten year period the British merchant fleet shrank by 90% between 1975 & 1985 as the Companies elected to register outside of the UK and have employment conditions that enabled them to be profitable.
Unfortunately, the great Socialist ideal only works if every country in the World signs up to it and that is never going to happen. Global erquality? No chance.
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Margaret Thatcher: a figure of history and legend
Very few here would wish to miss this one
yes mr bluefish i think it will be wonderful if only for a while to remember what it was like to have a pm with some steel and determination.
can you imagine her now telling those european gits where to put there euro?
i will not miss it for the world. if it was a film on blair or brown it would probably sell a handful of tickets so will never be made. let us see how big this film gets eh?
the thatcher bombers must be ready to cower under there blankets
if i was in power i would force the doubters out there to watch it :lol: or do a clarkson and shoot them :lol: :lol: 
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Aye we dont produce much coal anymore eh?
and corner shops dont sell sweets in jars anymore :eeek:
Quote by starlightcouple
i will not miss it for the world. if it was a film on blair or brown it would probably sell a handful of tickets so will never be made. let us see how big this film gets eh?
the thatcher bombers must be ready to cower under there blankets
Already been done... a film called The Queen in 2006.
The best bit being where TB meets The Queen to 'kiss hands' on election asking her if he can form a Government and the Queen reminds him that it is for her alone to ask him to form a Government in her name.
Synopsis
Brilliant castings.
Prior to that of course was The Deal which was a TV film chronicling the infamous 'agreement' that, allegedly, TB and GB came to in an Italian Restaurant about who would take the leadership after John Smith's death.
So yes star, it's already been done.
Quote by GnV
Already been done... a film called The Queen in 2006.
The best bit being where TB meets The Queen to 'kiss hands' on election asking her if he can form a Government and the Queen reminds him that it is for her alone to ask him to form a Government in her name.
Synopsis here
Brilliant castings.
Prior to that of course was The Deal which was a TV film chronicling the infamous 'agreement' that, allegedly, TB and GB came to in an Italian Restaurant about who would take the leadership after John Smith's death.
So yes star, it's already been done.
thankyou gnv.
obviusly so memorable that i had trouble finding it on the google machine.
did it actually get watched at all do you know?
was anyone actualy interested at all? :cheers:
new labour but with the same old taste in the mouth.
actualy i am more for the green party
Quote by MidsCouple24
Aye we dont produce much coal anymore eh?
That would be because Maggie showed us the reality of the coal mines at that time, the unions kept them open, the unions ensured that miners had jobs no matter how few we needed they all got employment, she showed us the result was that it cost £20 to get the coal into the sack which we then sold for £5, she thought it was better to stop subsidising the coal industry and import the coal at £3 a bag from abroad, the prices may be incorrect but that was the basic situation, coal was selling for less than it was costing to produce, mines were forced by the unions to employ more workers than needs justified.
My father was a shipbuilder in Barrow in Furness and in the same situation, Vickers were forced to employ him because he was a union member and qualified welder, he hated walking round the shipyard looking for something to do and left to live in the Midlands where the steel industry was at that time booming and welders were in top demand by such companies as TI (Tube Investments) his skills learnt in the shipyards soon rocketed him to Works Manager, the Unions though needed at one time were not only forcing the best of British Companies out of business but stopping skilled labour being utilised in other areas.
Show me a powerfull British Union and I will show you an industry we no longer have as a World leader, Steel, Potteries, Coal, Railways, Education, Car manufacture and many more where once we led the world with our skills, productivity, expertise and innovation.
i may be wrong, but what is wrong with govt subsidies to support employment, does that not go on now by subsidising foreign companies, or supporting large businesses to set up in britain etc. I do not disagree that you can import raw materilas cheaper, but do you support Chinas poor living standards and what is almost slave labour to produce cheap steel? You are criticising the shipyards for employing your father, but then saying the skills he learnt enabled him to progress to a works manager. Subsidies were not only about keeping unions members employed, as you beleive, surely it is about having high employment, and workers who contribute to society, pay taxes, create a work ethic in the young and hopefully create social cohesion. All those things were lost under thatchers Rule. No matter what you say, or what the Telegraph or the Daily Mail espouse, many of the ills of Society that we have now were bought about by her, through mass unemployment and her belief that money and greed is God! What we have now is a society reaping the costs of the second generation of people,through her policies consigned to the scrap heap of society.
Sex God
Quote by MartnJewl
Has it got an 18 certificate? I heard it wasn't suitable for miners.
BA-BOOM, TISH!
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
now that is funny
Sex God
I dont need a film to remind me. I can remember very well everything she took away from me starting with my milk It seems at the time that particular Tory government moved 6 months ahead to take away anything I was about to get and then gave me a poll tax bill. I was a non payer but found out my Mum had gone and paid to to stop me getting into grief 
No Falklands war no more Thatcher no legend, lucky ass bitch. Couldent even find an English person to play her, go figure.
It seems at the time that particular Tory government moved 6 months ahead to take away anything I was about to get and then gave me a poll tax bill. I was a non payer but found out my Mum had gone and paid to to stop me getting into grief No Falklands war no more Thatcher no legend, lucky ass bitch. Couldent even find an English person to play her, go figure.
Sex God
Quote by browning
I'm gonna take staggers to see it............
It will be just the usual Hollywood hagiography ... they wont give her the horns and pitchfork or go into her baby eating .... I may watch it, but I will I'm sure be deeply offended
P.S. you buy the popcorn
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i may be wrong, but what is wrong with govt subsidies to support employment, does that not go on now by subsidising foreign companies, or supporting large businesses to set up in britain etc. I do not disagree that you can import raw materilas cheaper, but do you support Chinas poor living standards and what is almost slave labour to produce cheap steel? You are criticising the shipyards for employing your father, but then saying the skills he learnt enabled him to progress to a works manager. Subsidies were not only about keeping unions members employed, as you beleive, surely it is about having high employment, and workers who contribute to society, pay taxes, create a work ethic in the young and hopefully create social cohesion. All those things were lost under thatchers Rule. No matter what you say, or what the Telegraph or the Daily Mail espouse, many of the ills of Society that we have now were bought about by her, through mass unemployment and her belief that money and greed is God! What we have now is a society reaping the costs of the second generation of people,through her policies consigned to the scrap heap of society.
The following was written some time ago by another site member in another thread about Margaret Thatcher. I think he's spot on.
niceguysdoexist wrote:
The fact she is so reviled by some and loved by others is in part a measure of her impact. I believe her own party felt the same way about her.
For those who believe that shipbuilding, mining, steel et al...would have survived if it weren't for Thatcher are deluding themselves. The demise of those industries sadly was down to over zealous unions, poor management and short term thinking by government compounded by globalisation as a result the inequalities of an exploited world.
She freed the economy for those who wished to take advantage of it , sadly, it was those who had most that tightened their hold on power and demonstrated that there really is no limit to the greed of some individuals.
She failed abysmally at recognising that true wealth can only ever come from maufacturing for it is this process that adds real value to an economy and therefore she failed to create an environment that planned for and delivered real jobs.(So has every government since)
She also started the deregulation of the financial markets ...as she believed thats where the country would derive its wealth. The greatest fraud in history has been the result, but to be fair it has been allowed to happen on the watch of others.
She stood our corner in Europe and I am sure if it were not for her we would have been exploited by Europe even more savagely than we were.
Angel or Devil ...I suspect she was both equally ...but never moderate.
Sex God
Quote by Max777
i may be wrong, but what is wrong with govt subsidies to support employment, does that not go on now by subsidising foreign companies, or supporting large businesses to set up in britain etc. I do not disagree that you can import raw materilas cheaper, but do you support Chinas poor living standards and what is almost slave labour to produce cheap steel? You are criticising the shipyards for employing your father, but then saying the skills he learnt enabled him to progress to a works manager. Subsidies were not only about keeping unions members employed, as you beleive, surely it is about having high employment, and workers who contribute to society, pay taxes, create a work ethic in the young and hopefully create social cohesion. All those things were lost under thatchers Rule. No matter what you say, or what the Telegraph or the Daily Mail espouse, many of the ills of Society that we have now were bought about by her, through mass unemployment and her belief that money and greed is God! What we have now is a society reaping the costs of the second generation of people,through her policies consigned to the scrap heap of society.
The following was written some time ago by another site member in another thread about Margaret Thatcher. I think he's spot on.
niceguysdoexist wrote:
The fact she is so reviled by some and loved by others is in part a measure of her impact. I believe her own party felt the same way about her.
For those who believe that shipbuilding, mining, steel et al...would have survived if it weren't for Thatcher are deluding themselves. The demise of those industries sadly was down to over zealous unions, poor management and short term thinking by government compounded by globalisation as a result the inequalities of an exploited world.
She freed the economy for those who wished to take advantage of it , sadly, it was those who had most that tightened their hold on power and demonstrated that there really is no limit to the greed of some individuals.
She failed abysmally at recognising that true wealth can only ever come from maufacturing for it is this process that adds real value to an economy and therefore she failed to create an environment that planned for and delivered real jobs.(So has every government since)
She also started the deregulation of the financial markets ...as she believed thats where the country would derive its wealth. The greatest fraud in history has been the result, but to be fair it has been allowed to happen on the watch of others.
She stood our corner in Europe and I am sure if it were not for her we would have been exploited by Europe even more savagely than we were.
Angel or Devil ...I suspect she was both equally ...but never moderate.
But he was wrong on many counts Max
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
i may be wrong, but what is wrong with govt subsidies to support employment, does that not go on now by subsidising foreign companies, or supporting large businesses to set up in britain etc. I do not disagree that you can import raw materilas cheaper, but do you support Chinas poor living standards and what is almost slave labour to produce cheap steel? You are criticising the shipyards for employing your father, but then saying the skills he learnt enabled him to progress to a works manager. Subsidies were not only about keeping unions members employed, as you beleive, surely it is about having high employment, and workers who contribute to society, pay taxes, create a work ethic in the young and hopefully create social cohesion. All those things were lost under thatchers Rule. No matter what you say, or what the Telegraph or the Daily Mail espouse, many of the ills of Society that we have now were bought about by her, through mass unemployment and her belief that money and greed is God! What we have now is a society reaping the costs of the second generation of people,through her policies consigned to the scrap heap of society.
The following was written some time ago by another site member in another thread about Margaret Thatcher. I think he's spot on.
niceguysdoexist wrote:
The fact she is so reviled by some and loved by others is in part a measure of her impact. I believe her own party felt the same way about her.
For those who believe that shipbuilding, mining, steel et al...would have survived if it weren't for Thatcher are deluding themselves. The demise of those industries sadly was down to over zealous unions, poor management and short term thinking by government compounded by globalisation as a result the inequalities of an exploited world.
She freed the economy for those who wished to take advantage of it , sadly, it was those who had most that tightened their hold on power and demonstrated that there really is no limit to the greed of some individuals.
She failed abysmally at recognising that true wealth can only ever come from maufacturing for it is this process that adds real value to an economy and therefore she failed to create an environment that planned for and delivered real jobs.(So has every government since)
She also started the deregulation of the financial markets ...as she believed thats where the country would derive its wealth. The greatest fraud in history has been the result, but to be fair it has been allowed to happen on the watch of others.
She stood our corner in Europe and I am sure if it were not for her we would have been exploited by Europe even more savagely than we were.
Angel or Devil ...I suspect she was both equally ...but never moderate.
But he was wrong on many counts Max
We all have our opinions Staggers, I've already stated mine.
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
I dont need a film to remind me. I can remember very well everything she took away from me starting with my milk
No Falklands war no more Thatcher no legend, lucky ass bitch. Couldent even find an English person to play her, go figure.
best thing she ever did !!! i hated that fowl smelling warm almost curdled cheesey milk the school served up, after it had been sitting in the sun all morning
infact it put me off of milk for a very long time :scared:
Yes my father learned his trade in the shipyards and was good at it, he built the Dreadnought Britains first Nuclear Subamarine and he built the Oriana (the old one not the current one) he had some help of course but that was before the unions got too crazy, that was when there was work to be done and submarines to be built, then the Unions got silly and made it impossible for Vickers Shipbuilding to compete with tenders from other countries to build our ships cheaper.
The Unions lost thier total power and went back to doing what they were formed for, making sure health and safety was paramount and working conditions as good as they could be but not forcing companies to employ more people than it needed to and other such policies that made UK companies too expensive for the market and Barrow is starting to make ships again, they are starting to compete with the rest of the world.
Subsidising companies and argriculture is wrong, the money can be better used creating new skills and new jobs for the workers of that particular industry, we should make the EU stop countries like France subsidising agriculture and stop Germany subsidising car production
but that was before the unions got too crazy, that was when there was work to be done and submarines to be built, then the Unions got silly and made it impossible for Vickers Shipbuilding to compete with tenders from other countries to build our ships cheaper.The Unions lost thier total power and went back to doing what they were formed for, making sure health and safety was paramount and working conditions as good as they could be but not forcing companies to employ more people than it needed to and other such policies that made UK companies too expensive for the market and Barrow is starting to make ships again, they are starting to compete with the rest of the world.
Subsidising companies and argriculture is wrong, the money can be better used creating new skills and new jobs for the workers of that particular industry, we should make the EU stop countries like France subsidising agriculture and stop Germany subsidising car production
Sex God
The pole tax was great, cost me much more money when those foolish people got their way
Our children still had milk at primary school, cost us a few pence a week
Our children still had milk at primary school, cost us a few pence a week
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
The pole tax was great, cost me much more money when those foolish people got their way
Our children still had milk at primary school, cost us a few pence a week
Cost you more and cost Thatcher her job. Bloody good job too and the last time the Brittish properly stood up for themselves. May have cost you less but cost many poor house holds more and rich ones less. Sounds about right for a Tory policy.
