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Quote by benrums0n
America has a higher rate than us and their benefit system is shite.
Doh!
I'd forgotten that...
Maybe American kids do it to get their GPA up, or maybe extra gum in their sticker packs?
I'll get my banjo... "Diddle De De De De De De Deeee." <<< That's the theme to Duelling Banjo's for those of a non musical nature.
I was told recently by a work colleague that works for JCP+ that there is a higher percentage of benefits paid to single parents as a result of divoice/ relationship breakdowns that are over the age of 21 than to teenage parents in this country.
But those sort of figures never seem to make the headlines?
But those sort of figures never seem to make the headlines?
Quote by kentswingers777
Report on the news has just said that teenage pregnancy rate has gone up for the first time in 7 years. Up by 2.5% in under 18's although up by 6.5% in under 16's. One school of thought suggests that teaching children the realities of raising a baby may have a better impact on preventing pregnancy than 'more' education. This appears to be achieved by utilising realistic dolls that react like a baby would.
Schhhhhhhh......don't mention that on here, you could be accused of scaremongering or even worse than that, being in bed with the " tabloids ".
When the Guardian admit to it, then it must be true. :shock:
Still with all the sex education and now trying to get five year olds to learn about sex, it will surely go down
: Still I believe the system is working .....not. As I have said before....highest teenage pregnancy rates in the Western world.
It is a sad statistic that it has risen, as the children involved do not always get the best start in life....maybe.
My point today has been proven, that the current education only fuels even more kids attitudes to wanting sex. The figures do not lie......or do they? :wink:
Kent, you really are too quick with the :smug: I was right attitude. Read the article again. It clearly says the report was published early Feburary yes, BUT the figures (
like I said before) are based on 2006/2007 data. There is still scope that the figures of 2008 and 2009 will be more on target for 2010's projection, that teenage pregnancy would be halved.So, your point hasn't been proven today Kent, well maybe in your head it has.
Mar I really do not mean to be arguementative but.....I am not interested in " scope " figures. The fact of the matter is it HAS risen. Or are you denying that?
IF it has risen as the news suggests, that surely cannot be good.....as it has been falling apparently. Now we have a rise.
Do I have to wait till 2010 to be proved right then? It has risen and that you cannot deny, even with everything that is in place. Smug me? Never. :wink:
But dear Kent, you keep quoting facts and figures but rarely produce them. The ones you do produce, as I was trying to point out don't always show the full extent, it could be worse or it could be better by next year, who knows.
I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen, yes slightly but if you look at the bigger picture ie., spanning over 50/60 years, how would you prefer things to be?
I'm sure I'd rather we had a slight increase of teenage pregnancies now than returning to the plight of years ago I can tell you.
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
All I had the other day was how much they have gone down by this and that. Now when we are faced with this, others use whatever excuses they have in their pockets.
It matters not by how much, the fact is they have gone up, and to state about future figures, should go down, is quite frankly a smoke screen.
This Government stated this would be a short reccession, now when they back tracked it could last for....how long? They do not know, it is pure speculation. The same speculation over future birth rates.
How the heck can they tell who is going to get pregnant, and who is not.....guess work and pure speculations equals people who really have not a lot of answers, only a lot of finger crossing.
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
All I had the other day was how much they have gone down by this and that. Now when we are faced with this, others use whatever excuses they have in their pockets.
It matters not by how much, the fact is they have gone up, and to state about future figures, should go down, is quite frankly a smoke screen.
This Government stated this would be a short reccession, now when they back tracked it could last for....how long? They do not know, it is pure speculation. The same speculation over future birth rates.
How the heck can they tell who is going to get pregnant, and who is not.....guess work and pure speculations equals people who really have not a lot of answers, only a lot of finger crossing.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
All I had the other day was how much they have gone down by this and that. Now when we are faced with this, others use whatever excuses they have in their pockets.
It matters not by how much, the fact is they have gone up, and to state about future figures, should go down, is quite frankly a smoke screen.
This Government stated this would be a short reccession, now when they back tracked it could last for....how long? They do not know, it is pure speculation. The same speculation over future birth rates.
How the heck can they tell who is going to get pregnant, and who is not.....guess work and pure speculations equals people who really have not a lot of answers, only a lot of finger crossing.
Hang on...
Why has this turned into a rant about the Government?
That wasn't the issue...
Unless... it was of course...
Aaahhhhhhh NOW I see!!!!! Tara folks!
Quote by kentswingers777
We have all heard the story of the 13 year old boy becoming a Father :shock: and the stories that he may not be, but maybe five others could be.
This article for me is on the money, but of course as most things, there are no easy answers.
Should sex education be about what the Government says, or should parents still have the ability to know and be told, about their kids sexual behaviour?
I do think that parents should be told if their children are sexually active, re contraception etc. However, I could see this leading to kids not using contraception and think this is more important.
My daughter is 12, she looks older, acts older is well developed and puberty is kicking in! She has had sex education but we've never discussed it
not because I'm not bothered but moreso that she would be mortified and would then miss the point of my conversation! We are very open about stuff in this house and so I know that when the time is right it will be addressed! The fact that they have addressed it at school helps me, a little knowledge is better than none and they aim it at a better level than I could. I just don't think they go far enough. Right .... update ....
I asked my daughter if it was better us doing sex ed with her or school! She honestly answered, school was better 'cause we all had the same information, but you and dad have been through it and so talk about other stuff. They did sex ed in science over 4 weeks and apparently they have a lesson or two in PSHE soon. I gather that she equated sex ed with puberty and babies and they didn't cover contraception :shock:
Then she told me she was embarrassed and asked if I'd leave the room
I really don't think that 4 weeks in Year 7 is enough, but luckily I have the type of relationship with my kids that I never had with my parents and I got pregnant at 14!
Lessons have been learned and my kids are treated very differently than I was. We talk openly. The kids aren't allowed friends in their rooms, instead they have a separate lounge off of ours that is theirs and the door stays open and we've taken the hatch doors off so they can't have 100% privacy! I can happily ask my kids questions (age appropriate) until they feel embarrassed and they do learn stuff from that.
Unfortunately, some parents don't have this relationship with their kids, they don't have boundaries and leave it up to others to educate their kids.
I guess I'm saying that sex ed in school possibly doesn't go far enough, needs regular repeating, backed up by parental support and education.
Quote by Witchy
Right, the merry go round is making me slightly giddy- so I'll go back to the OP for a mo.
Kent wrote:
Should sex education be about what the Government says, or should parents still have the ability to know and be told, about their kids sexual behaviour?
When, exactly, did parents know about their kids sexual behaviour? In the 50's & 60's? Erm, nope. In the 80's? Nope- mine sure as hell didn't.
Meanwhile, kids were still having sex.
What's changed?
They can now go & ask for help, advice & supplies without fear of their parents being told. Not a good thing?
Surely if they're doing it anyway- which we appear to have established- it's better that they're informed.
Okay, okay referring back
As part of our guidelines when giving out contraception, we have to ask the (and I reiterate) 14 - 16 yr olds question are they able to speak to their parents, a few say yes, but for the majority it's a no, that's the real shame. When I found out my daughter had been prescribed the pill, I was disappointed more for the fact she hadn't come to me even though we'd discussed the fact she could tell me anything, she simply didn't want me to know.
Maybe this thing about the parents being involved can never work, kids just sometimes don't want to acknowledge the fact their parents are having sex let alone discussing it and being involved.
Quote by kentswingers777
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
.
You have to keep going on and on haven't you?? I'd done what you asked, I'd admitted the figures have slightly risen, yet you keep bleeting on and on and on.
You asked me if I could deny the fact and I answered No.
What's the hell is the matter with you Kent? why do you keep pressing and pressing until you are satisfied you are right??
I've had enough now, I was enjoying a healthy debate, now it's turned into the usual.
Parting question? Kent
if you have all the answers and want to bring the Government debate in (surprise surprise ), what do you suggest? what can you see as working?You as a parent if came to be, could you talk to your child about sex education?
Quote by jaymar
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
.
You have to keep going on and on haven't you?? I'd done what you asked, I'd admitted the figures have slightly risen, yet you keep bleeting on and on and on.
You asked me if I could deny the fact and I answered No.
What's the hell is the matter with you Kent? why do you keep pressing and pressing until you are satisfied you are right??
I've had enough now, I was enjoying a healthy debate, now it's turned into the usual.
Parting question? Kent
if you have all the answers and want to bring the Government debate in (surprise surprise ), what do you suggest? what can you see as working?You as a parent if came to be, could you talk to your child about sex education?
An interesting point- Kenty, what did you do wrong with your daughter? Tell us, and then we can compare to where our parents went wrong- and maybe learn from eachothers mistakes
Quote by Resonance
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
All I had the other day was how much they have gone down by this and that. Now when we are faced with this, others use whatever excuses they have in their pockets.
It matters not by how much, the fact is they have gone up, and to state about future figures, should go down, is quite frankly a smoke screen.
This Government stated this would be a short reccession, now when they back tracked it could last for....how long? They do not know, it is pure speculation. The same speculation over future birth rates.
How the heck can they tell who is going to get pregnant, and who is not.....guess work and pure speculations equals people who really have not a lot of answers, only a lot of finger crossing.
Hang on...
Why has this turned into a rant about the Government?
That wasn't the issue...
Unless... it was of course...
Aaahhhhhhh NOW I see!!!!! Tara folks!
The clue is in the title of the thread Res.
I would have thought it was obvious........no?
Quote by Witchy
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
.
You have to keep going on and on haven't you?? I'd done what you asked, I'd admitted the figures have slightly risen, yet you keep bleeting on and on and on.
You asked me if I could deny the fact and I answered No.
What's the hell is the matter with you Kent? why do you keep pressing and pressing until you are satisfied you are right??
I've had enough now, I was enjoying a healthy debate, now it's turned into the usual.
Parting question? Kent
if you have all the answers and want to bring the Government debate in (surprise surprise ), what do you suggest? what can you see as working?You as a parent if came to be, could you talk to your child about sex education?
An interesting point- Kenty, what did you do wrong with your daughter? Tell us, and then we can compare to where our parents went wrong- and maybe learn from eachothers mistakes
Wooooooo. I have quite clearly stated MY Daughter got preganant at 16. Maybe I failed as a parent then?
I have to admit that as parents we did not maybe sit down and discuss things as we should have done.....our mistake.
All I have ever said is is this Government right in how it approaches sex education with our kids.
I have been sort of shouted down ever since. I have had figures chucked at me about all sorts, but when I go to my post office on a Monday morning, there are bloody loads of kids under 18, waiting in a long line to get their money. It seems that is not the only post office either.
So yes I was shouted down but low and behold new figures get released today stating quite the opposite. I have said that I do NOT think this Government are doing enough with sex education.
I stand by what I have said in that parents are not doing enough either. It is all well and good saying I am open with my kids and they can come to me with anything but.....when a kid is 14, is it really a big suprise to find that they have NOT gone to their parents to say they are either having sex or on the pill. It does not take a genuis to know that most kids would not say anything, NOT because they are embarrassed, but the fact they know what they are doing is wrong.
Kids do not talk to their parents today in general, in the same way kids did not talk it sex with their parents 30 or 50 years ago. There is no change there, where there is the change is that sex is plastered everywhere, and where as years ago sex WAS a big thing, now to a lot of kids, it is no bigger than going to buy a magazine, which for me shows it is not working....
Stop feeling sorry for yourself Kent, you haven't been 'shouted down' upon, you've been challenged, and you've challenged others. It's been a healthy debate.
And also, you have said the Government are not doing enough but yet you criticise any plans they may have. You have said you think parents don't do enough and yet you critcise the plans to have parents more involved.
Returning to the aforementioned bit about your daughter getting pregnant, if you could turn back the clocks what would you prefer to have happened? would you have preferred it if she had of been prescribed the pill and for the trauma of what followed (I'm not going to ask, it's not fair to it's not my business) not to have happened?
So I return to my previous question, what do you think should happen??
Me personally, I haven't got a clue I don't know which way the Government can take this to make things better, all I know is ok, maybe there's been a slight increase, but in general the help and advice for teens is out there, a lot of the kids we talk to don't know our services exist so maybe they need to be taught more about accessing this help and/or building up their confidence enough to do so. I really don't know.
I'm over and 100% out of this thread now.
And also, you have said the Government are not doing enough but yet you criticise any plans they may have. You have said you think parents don't do enough and yet you critcise the plans to have parents more involved.
Returning to the aforementioned bit about your daughter getting pregnant, if you could turn back the clocks what would you prefer to have happened? would you have preferred it if she had of been prescribed the pill and for the trauma of what followed (I'm not going to ask, it's not fair to it's not my business) not to have happened?
So I return to my previous question, what do you think should happen??
Me personally, I haven't got a clue
I don't know which way the Government can take this to make things better, all I know is ok, maybe there's been a slight increase, but in general the help and advice for teens is out there, a lot of the kids we talk to don't know our services exist so maybe they need to be taught more about accessing this help and/or building up their confidence enough to do so. I really don't know.I'm over and 100% out of this thread now.
Quote by jaymar
I don't know which way the Government can take this to make things better,
The government could follow the Dutch example and provide proper sex education.
There was a TV programme a couple of years ago that showed Dutch sex education. The children took it as part of life and weren't embarrassed or excited by it. The teenage pregnancy rates went from more or less highest in Europe to lowest in Europe within 25 years.
Education equals empowerment. Teenagers have always had sex and always will. Give them the knowledge to have sex safely.
Quote by The Sun
WHATEVER happened to “No sex, please, we’re British”? Like red phoneboxes, the phrase has been consigned to history – because, in reality, it should be “More , please, we’re British.”
Is this the same Sun that was the first paper to have page 3 girls?
Quote by northwest-cpl
I don't know which way the Government can take this to make things better,
The government could follow the Dutch example and provide proper sex education.
I've only responded here 'cos you quoted me, but I've already acknowledge that in a link above (poss pg.3), it's in one of the posts that discusses Holland's teenage pregnancy rates. Our Government are already looking at replicating Holland's policies.
Quote by kentswingers777
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
.
You have to keep going on and on haven't you?? I'd done what you asked, I'd admitted the figures have slightly risen, yet you keep bleeting on and on and on.
You asked me if I could deny the fact and I answered No.
What's the hell is the matter with you Kent? why do you keep pressing and pressing until you are satisfied you are right??
I've had enough now, I was enjoying a healthy debate, now it's turned into the usual.
Parting question? Kent
if you have all the answers and want to bring the Government debate in (surprise surprise ), what do you suggest? what can you see as working?You as a parent if came to be, could you talk to your child about sex education?
An interesting point- Kenty, what did you do wrong with your daughter? Tell us, and then we can compare to where our parents went wrong- and maybe learn from eachothers mistakes
Wooooooo. Wonderful. I have your attention. I have quite clearly stated MY Daughter got preganant at 16. Maybe I failed as a parent then?
I know you stated that. That's why I asked. Was it you- or the goverment who got it wrong?
I have to admit that as parents we did not maybe sit down and discuss things as we should have done.....our mistake.
So, you think part of the problem is that you didn't give her enough info?
All I have ever said is is this Government right in how it approaches sex education with our kids.
The government advocating more info?
I have been sort of shouted down ever since. I have had figures chucked at me about all sorts, but when I go to my post office on a Monday morning, there are bloody loads of kids under 18, waiting in a long line to get their money. It seems that is not the only post office either.
So yes I was shouted down but low and behold new figures get released today stating quite the opposite. I have said that I do NOT think this Government are doing enough with sex education.
More info? Less info? Different info?
I stand by what I have said in that parents are not doing enough either. It is all well and good saying I am open with my kids and they can come to me with anything but.....when a kid is 14, is it really a big suprise to find that they have NOT gone to their parents to say they are either having sex or on the pill. It does not take a genuis to know that most kids would not say anything, NOT because they are embarrassed, but the fact they know what they are doing is wrong.
So you're admitting they will continue to have sex and not tell their parents? So, we should equip them to prevent pregnancies, right?
Kids do not talk to their parents today in general, in the same way kids did not talk it sex with their parents 30 or 50 years ago. There is no change there, where there is the change is that sex is plastered everywhere, and where as years ago sex WAS a big thing, now to a lot of kids, it is no bigger than going to buy a magazine, which for me shows it is not working....
But that's to do with media exposure, is it not?
From what I saw of the "story," there was outrage that parents were being encouraged to teach their kids the mechanics, without preaching morality. Hmm.
If the article is bang on the money- I do hope you mean purely about under age sex. Anything else could be a very sticky wicket. Teens got pregnant when sex was . Teens are still getting pregnant now. To blame this government is naive. And no, I'm not a fan
Obviously a strong subject with many views, on both sides of the arguement.
What it has shown is that there are no easy answers, and teen pregnancies will still happen no matter what anyone does.
I just hope that they fall and not rise, because the Government HAVE to get it right, as failure is not an option.
What it has shown is that there are no easy answers, and teen pregnancies will still happen no matter what anyone does.
I just hope that they fall and not rise, because the Government HAVE to get it right, as failure is not an option.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Obviously a strong subject with many views, on both sides of the arguement.
What it has shown is that there are no easy answers, and teen pregnancies will still happen no matter what anyone does.
I just hope that they fall and not rise, because the Government HAVE to get it right, as failure is not an option.
Parents have to get it right too - their failure isn't an option either.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
"I cannot deny the figures have slightly risen". Well you can't really can you?
You can paint the picture anyway you like and in whatever colour you like but....the figures say it has risen.
The question is why?
All I had the other day was how much they have gone down by this and that. Now when we are faced with this, others use whatever excuses they have in their pockets.
It matters not by how much, the fact is they have gone up, and to state about future figures, should go down, is quite frankly a smoke screen.
This Government stated this would be a short reccession, now when they back tracked it could last for....how long? They do not know, it is pure speculation. The same speculation over future birth rates.
How the heck can they tell who is going to get pregnant, and who is not.....guess work and pure speculations equals people who really have not a lot of answers, only a lot of finger crossing.
Hang on...
Why has this turned into a rant about the Government?
That wasn't the issue...
Unless... it was of course...
Aaahhhhhhh NOW I see!!!!! Tara folks!
The clue is in the title of the thread Res.
I would have thought it was obvious........no?
Nope
You started the post with a decent ramble about why teen birth rates in the UK are so high and about the education aspect failing them. That is what I was arguing with initially.
Unfortunately in the post at the end, we went from reasoned argument to a kind of apotheosis of Ben Elton where it was the "liberal lefties" once again just slammed for nothing to do with the original critique, but because of their political allegiance. That, for me at least, is where it ceases to be an interesting discussion and exchange of views, and merely an attempt at bear baiting which I won't respond to.
I'll happily discuss any of the points you make Mr K, but I won't get into a political slanging match. Some issues are above politics I believe, children's future being one. As I think the Dutch have proven by de-politicising the whole issue and doing a good job compared to the UK.
I admire you for dealing with the issue your 16 year old. I don't know what I would do in that situation to be honest... I'd hope I'd do the right thing. I hope my kids don't put me in a similar situation and I'd hope what school and we tell them, will ensure it doesn't happen. But there is always that nagging doubt isn't there?
i feel its not all the governments duty,
the parents have to take that on as well,
but when some parents dont actually give a fig about where their child is let alone what they are getting up to they are probally not going to give them, guide them down the socially accepted patway,
but then i say that,but what is the socially accepted pathway today? we have parents who think the system is there so use it and that is what is socially accepted in their circles so they are teaching their children that.
you could use peer ed to try and influence the fresh youths not to do this because im now left homeless, skint, etc but the truth is they are not.
now im not saying we shouldnt support young people if they find themselves in that situation, as i would hate to see things driven underground. However i think yes there should be more hostels that these kids know is the only option if they get in this situation. no £500 grants, benefits and a home set up to invite all your mates around who are still at school lol
but units set up to teach them to be good parents, to carry on with their education, to see that their is more to life than babies and benefits.
maybe we will then see the tide turn?
i feel when religion died off we lost one of the big influences and moral guides in this country.
sex education in my day was only about reproduction, not how not to, im guessing these days its more than that? its about contraception,stds, smae sex relationships, etc ?
see im guessing,but if schools invited parents in to be taught/shown what will be taught ,how many would go?
only the ones who already care enough to be guiding ther kids i suspect.
xx fem xx
the parents have to take that on as well,
but when some parents dont actually give a fig about where their child is let alone what they are getting up to they are probally not going to give them, guide them down the socially accepted patway,
but then i say that,but what is the socially accepted pathway today? we have parents who think the system is there so use it and that is what is socially accepted in their circles so they are teaching their children that.
you could use peer ed to try and influence the fresh youths not to do this because im now left homeless, skint, etc but the truth is they are not.
now im not saying we shouldnt support young people if they find themselves in that situation, as i would hate to see things driven underground. However i think yes there should be more hostels that these kids know is the only option if they get in this situation. no £500 grants, benefits and a home set up to invite all your mates around who are still at school lol
but units set up to teach them to be good parents, to carry on with their education, to see that their is more to life than babies and benefits.
maybe we will then see the tide turn?
i feel when religion died off we lost one of the big influences and moral guides in this country.
sex education in my day was only about reproduction, not how not to, im guessing these days its more than that? its about contraception,stds, smae sex relationships, etc ?
see im guessing,but if schools invited parents in to be taught/shown what will be taught ,how many would go?
only the ones who already care enough to be guiding ther kids i suspect.
xx fem xx
Res for the record MY comment about the Government was nothing more than an example of them saying something, and then " backtracking ", when they are wrong.
How many times have we heard them say by so and so date this or that will happen, and then find out they are way off target?
I was pulling on their comments about 2010 and how the rates will be halved. I do not know how they can possibly predict this. How can anyone predict the sexual practises of teens?
As I have already stated, I have not got the answers, much cleverer people than me in high office, do not know either.
All I do know is that kids need to be taught more about sex than just the " act ". Children should be taught about marriage, love and relationships, in sex education lessons.
Also I feel young people need to understand sex isn't just a physical act. It needs a level of emotional maturity and personnel responsibilty.
How many times have we heard them say by so and so date this or that will happen, and then find out they are way off target?
I was pulling on their comments about 2010 and how the rates will be halved. I do not know how they can possibly predict this. How can anyone predict the sexual practises of teens?
As I have already stated, I have not got the answers, much cleverer people than me in high office, do not know either.
All I do know is that kids need to be taught more about sex than just the " act ". Children should be taught about marriage, love and relationships, in sex education lessons.
Also I feel young people need to understand sex isn't just a physical act. It needs a level of emotional maturity and personnel responsibilty.
Quote by fem_4_taboo
i feel its not all the governments duty,
the parents have to take that on as well,
I think you're right, whilst I've been totally upfront from day one with my daughter other parents hide their heads in the sand, they're just too embarassed or judgemental to help their kids.
I'm bought my daughter a book from the Early Learning Centre when she was 10. It was a simple book that was actually geared at ages 5 and up!, I gave her the book and asked if she wanted me to read it with her or her to read it on her own and ask me questions, she chose the latter. At the age of 15 I sat her down and discussed sex in more detail, contraception and 'delay'. Delay is something all professionals use now, it's a way of encouraging teens to think seriously about whether they're ready emotionally for a sexual relationship and if they should be waiting. I also told her I'd always be there for her and that when the time was right I'd go to a clinic with her. She hugged me and told me I was brill. Two months later I found out she was already on the pill and had been having sex long before my chat with her.
Sometimes no matter how much a parent can offer, the child just doesn't want to go there, but the biggie for me is that she's not come home telling me she's pregnant, so I reckon somewhere along the line, whether it be me or her school, someone's advised her well. I also think that not all parents are like me. Some are very naive themselves when it comes to sex education and contraception and have a very old fashioned outlook.
Now I need to address the fact she seems to think she's already 18 and can go nightclubbing etc., ... will Government help me with that?
Quote by jaymar
i feel its not all the governments duty,
the parents have to take that on as well,
I think you're right, whilst I've been totally upfront from day one with my daughter other parents hide their heads in the sand, they're just too embarassed or judgemental to help their kids.
I'm bought my daughter a book from the Early Learning Centre when she was 10. It was a simple book that was actually geared at ages 5 and up!, I gave her the book and asked if she wanted me to read it with her or her to read it on her own and ask me questions, she chose the latter. At the age of 15 I sat her down and discussed sex in more detail, contraception and 'delay'. Delay is something all professionals use now, it's a way of encouraging teens to think seriously about whether they're ready emotionally for a sexual relationship and if they should be waiting. I also told her I'd always be there for her and that when the time was right I'd go to a clinic with her. She hugged me and told me I was brill. Two months later I found out she was already on the pill and had been having sex long before my chat with her.
Sometimes no matter how much a parent can offer, the child just doesn't want to go there, but the biggie for me is that she's not come home telling me she's pregnant, so I reckon somewhere along the line, whether it be me or her school, someone's advised her well. I also think that not all parents are like me. Some are very naive themselves when it comes to sex education and contraception and have a very old fashioned outlook.
Now I need to address the fact she seems to think she's already 18 and can go nightclubbing etc., ... will Government help me with that?
They do help though Mar. It is almost impossible now to get into a nightclub, as most either want photo ID, or in some around here, you have to have your fingerprints taken and a photo ID.
Then when you want to go into the club they take your fingerprints, and it comes up with your photo and your details.
That is not to say that " some " will let young girls in, and that is a worry as there are usually much older guys there. I had that happen to my youngest Daughter, when she said she was doing a " sleep over " and then sneaked into a nightclub at 15.
So you see Mar I am not perfect, nor a perfect Father, I have just like most of us tried to raise them with morals, and the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes though no matter how good a parent you are, it can fail.
Easy answers to being a parent? I wish there was.x
Quote by kentswingers777
i feel its not all the governments duty,
the parents have to take that on as well,
I think you're right, whilst I've been totally upfront from day one with my daughter other parents hide their heads in the sand, they're just too embarassed or judgemental to help their kids.
I'm bought my daughter a book from the Early Learning Centre when she was 10. It was a simple book that was actually geared at ages 5 and up!, I gave her the book and asked if she wanted me to read it with her or her to read it on her own and ask me questions, she chose the latter. At the age of 15 I sat her down and discussed sex in more detail, contraception and 'delay'. Delay is something all professionals use now, it's a way of encouraging teens to think seriously about whether they're ready emotionally for a sexual relationship and if they should be waiting. I also told her I'd always be there for her and that when the time was right I'd go to a clinic with her. She hugged me and told me I was brill. Two months later I found out she was already on the pill and had been having sex long before my chat with her.
Sometimes no matter how much a parent can offer, the child just doesn't want to go there, but the biggie for me is that she's not come home telling me she's pregnant, so I reckon somewhere along the line, whether it be me or her school, someone's advised her well. I also think that not all parents are like me. Some are very naive themselves when it comes to sex education and contraception and have a very old fashioned outlook.
Now I need to address the fact she seems to think she's already 18 and can go nightclubbing etc., ... will Government help me with that?
They do help though Mar. It is almost impossible now to get into a nightclub, as most either want photo ID, or in some around here, you have to have your fingerprints taken and a photo ID.
Then when you want to go into the club they take your fingerprints, and it comes up with your photo and your details.
That is not to say that " some " will let young girls in, and that is a worry as there are usually much older guys there. I had that happen to my youngest Daughter, when she said she was doing a " sleep over " and then sneaked into a nightclub at 15.
So you see Mar I am not perfect, nor a perfect Father, I have just like most of us tried to raise them with morals, and the difference between right and wrong. Sometimes though no matter how good a parent you are, it can fail.
Easy answers to being a parent? I wish there was.x
Lordy, didn't take you long to appear!!
If it's almost impossible to get into a nightclub now, how come my daughter has had fake ID found in her bag (and confiscated by the way by me) and been nightclubbing since last Sept?? and in fact, without ID she's still doing it now? She's only 17.
And I know only too well about failing no matter how hard you try... believe me.
There is a way around most things Mar, if you really want to find it.
I did say around here, and obviously not all areas are adopting the same attitudes, with regard to entry to a nightclub.
The laws have been toughened up on kids. Even though I slate this Government many times, the laws on buying fags and drink has made it much harder to buy.
In my local Asda, you have to be 25 to buy fags and drink and they ask all the time for ID.
Maybe we should get our heads together Mar, and see where we can change things? Shall I bring the Wine?
I did say around here, and obviously not all areas are adopting the same attitudes, with regard to entry to a nightclub.
The laws have been toughened up on kids. Even though I slate this Government many times, the laws on buying fags and drink has made it much harder to buy.
In my local Asda, you have to be 25 to buy fags and drink and they ask all the time for ID.
Maybe we should get our heads together Mar, and see where we can change things? Shall I bring the Wine?
Im not arguing for arguments sake Kent but the headline,
"Labour is doing nothing less than trying to reshape the sexual and moral behaviour of an entire society"
is ridiculous.
The article itself is ill informed or prejudiced, Im not sure which.
Who owns teh Daily Mail these days and therefore decides its editorial policy? I forget.
"Labour is doing nothing less than trying to reshape the sexual and moral behaviour of an entire society"
is ridiculous.
The article itself is ill informed or prejudiced, Im not sure which.
Who owns teh Daily Mail these days and therefore decides its editorial policy? I forget.
