is this forum beconing an organ for a newspaper?
I have no idea what the current issues are in this thread as I dont read the 'newspaper' being promoted, nor will I follow the links.
a synopsis anyone?
lp
I think u can probably guess Mr Orbit.
I thought we had a steam room for rants anyway.
You've got to love it folks! There's none so blind as those that can see...
Thank Goodness though Mr Kent has stopped linking from the Sun and is using a far more middle of the road, non dictat political think tank that is the Daily Mail...
Because as we know, they have no agenda.
I'm not a lefty or a righty Mr K. I can't stand any of them. However I am also not a blinkered titty-poo. A very nice titty-poo who amuses me no end, but a blinkered one all the same.
I've never owned a pair of sandals, or hugged a tree... But I think that is eminently preferable to reading the Daily Mail every day. Sewing your scrotum to the sofa is eminently preferable to reading the Daily Mail come to think of it.
Mr K, just because what the papers you choose to report fits in with your view of the world, does not make them right and everyone else wrong. Oddly enough, papers tend to pander to the views of their owners, editors and readership... That is what you singularly cannot grasp. I don't know if you can't see it, or you refuse to. Or if you just like winding folk up.
Look in the cookery section in the library for cook books, and you know what, you will find them. It doesn't mean there are no books on travel however.
I'm afraid Mr Kent, you are in danger of becoming a mockery of yourself. Your arguments, already weak, just dissipate still further when you quote your sources and resort to thinly veiled political attacks to take attention away from the fact that your initial argument doesn't stand up to much critical assessment and a more comprehensive examination of the facts as you present them.
For example :
Teen birth rate rise shocker - 1 year out of seven it has risen. The other times it has fallen. Not enough perhaps, but it has STILL fallen.
Wish it was like the good old days or the 40's,50's and 60's - as has already been shown the good old days showed MORE instances of teen pregnancy. And furthermore how it was dealt with verged on the draconian.
It's all Labour's fault - Fair enough. That;s your view. They are in power. But what IS the solution? Have the Conservatives, Liberals, or the Monster Raving Loony Party come up with anything so obviously better?
This is half the problem Mr K. You stand on the sidelines and lambaste everything the government does or says. But you offer NO alternative, the sources you quote are nothing but jingoistic populist tripe and your arguments are about as watertight as a colander, which is a shame because many of the initial points you make I find myself having some sympathy with... And then we get to the bit where you quote your source, and then start on the politics and sounding off and rather than add weight to what you say, it detracts from it immeasurably and I find I cannot even begin to support what you say.
In my opinion of course. Others may well feel you put together an erudite argument. I would argue you do put up a very spirited defence, and you take criticism far better than many on here. But shouting louder and longer never won any argument. It's by proving the points you make with reliable sources that are not so obviously promoting their own political agenda, (that just so happens to fit in with yours) which proves your point. It is by quoting sources other than two newspapers which are a laughing stock because of their known political allegiances and blatant right wing bias.
I did used to like your threads Mr K, and I will defend your right to have your say but your continual promotion of your right wing views on EVERY argument, does not add weight to your points, but wholly detracts from them. It shows a lack of balance, a lack of foresight and a lack of acceptance and, crucially, understanding of the whole issue. Things are NEVER as black and white as you see them.
That's a shame because you put up such a good honest, defence of your posts and I think you do have a lot of good things to say about many of these subjects, but I am afraid they get somewhat lost in the politically driven nonsense that the threads tend to descend into and with your refusal to concede that anyone else may have a counter point of view that has equal weight, if not more so, and is backed up with that crucial thing called evidence which is not solely politically motivated. It is that which people rally behind, not the beards and sandals of liberalism.
Do you remember that Bob Dylan song.
Something about pissing in the wind.
But Mr K, I've never said I am right. I am happy to state what I do and let other people make their mind up, rather than expect them to agree with me. I present my arguments and then defend them if necessary and try to find evidence to support them. Just as you do. I fully expect people to disagree with me. I'd be disappointed if that was not the case.
6m people is 10% of the population. Hardly a majority vote. According to some papers there's more asylum seekers here than that. Certainly more single mums leeching the system. ;-) (Just kidding!)
I've just posted on another thread I am frequently wrong. I am happy to admit it when that is the case. So when you do prove me wrong, I'll happily grovel at the altar of the almighty Kenty! ;-)
As for an alternative being the Tory party, what have they suggested so different to anyone else? I am not being facetious here... I honestly don't know. Is there some vital piece of information we are missing that they know about? Or is it just the usual empty promises politicians make in opposition that can never bear fruit when in power? I can't say I've read anything from any party that has struck me as being the "answer" to anything. All I hear is empty rhetoric, gesturing and point scoring. Politics of saying rather than doing. Everyone is as guilty of it, not just the tories or labour.
The problem with politics for me at the minute is that I don't see ANY viable alternative. Which is hugely disappointing.
As for arguments lacking substance. I would prefer research and statistics collated by an independent body with no political allegiance, over the ramblings in the latest edition of the Daily Tory / Daily Labour. That to me carries more weight than anything that has political bias. So we'll have to disagree on that.
Oh and just one other thing, get in touch with the Conservative party. I am sure your tenacity and belief in the party would be a huge plus when it comes to the General election!
*sigh*
You just don't get it do you Kent? And do you know what? I don't think you ever will. Not if you can ignore all the straight talking Res just put forward and carry on regardless. Had that been written to me, I would have taken some time to reflect. Pondered my thinking. Explored the reasons why I thought the way I did.
But no. You'll just continue to ignore posts which contradict your view as it suits (I asked you a question a page or so ago, btw. You may not have noticed it. You may have chosen to ignore it.) and cherry pick from the scandal rags.
Six million people read them, do they? Let's just hope they're not all gullible enough to believe them then. Have a proper look at an article in the Sun at some point, and disect it. See for yourself how much of it is reporting compared to conjecture, scaremongering, and opinion.
I'd love to know what the readership would look like without token collects for holidays, and free Alton Towers tickets.
As for your admitting to being a troll- that's your choice. But as one of the people who occasionally take the carrott I'd like to reassure you that it's not because you get under my skin- you don't.
It's just that many moons ago, I took on a bet about educating pork.
Given it's lack of struggle, I'd say it's beyond biting.
I'll leave it trussed up on a low heat overnight, stewing in it's own juices. In the meantime, I'll be sleeping.
:wink: :wink: :kissmyarse: 
Witchy, you crack me up!