The great divide

8 Feb 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
this great north south divide is based on a very big city that produces 20%+ of the uk's gdp and employs a large percentage of its workforce from surrounding counties
and that is the whole basis of your and the supporters of the north is poor argument ..............bit daft don't you think because lets face it its not and never has been a north south divide its a London and surrounding counties North divide
should we set up some refugee camps dya recon :huh:

Knock yourself out with them
Dave_Notts
So you believe that the North/South divide is singly based on the effects of London, I would a agree it is a big city, but is it as big as the combined cities further north, take the Cities of Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, I don't know but would guess that the three cities are located in an area within the size of the one City of London, nearby there are the Cities of Leicester and Derby, Nottingham, Stoke on Trent, further North we have Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds, so how much of the remaining 80% of the UKs GDP do you think they contribute ?
I think we do need refuge camps preparing though, I honestly believe that the crazy price hikes in London and the South in general will backfire in peoples faces and they will need our Northern help.
I once worked for Magnet Kitchens, based in Telford our average order value was around £4-5000, at the same time the branches down South had average order values of £16,000. A rep who worked in the Kensington branch said his showroom was located only doors away from a poggenpohl showroom, when they priced a kitchen they trebled or quadroopled the price othewise people believed the product was rubbish compared to the poggenpohl product and quote (it probably was) thier average order value at the time was £20,000
He also told me that people in the inner London elite areas people expected to pay more, they didn't even care that they could buy the product in the midlands at a fraction of the cost, because if the neighbours found out they only paid a small amount they would consider them "skinflints".
Look at house prices in London, even the non-fashionable outskirts, you couldn't buy a garage in London for the price of a large family home in this area. The crash will come and it will hit those inflated housing areas hardest.

8 Feb 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
this great north south divide is based on a very big city that produces 20%+ of the uk's gdp and employs a large percentage of its workforce from surrounding counties
and that is the whole basis of your and the supporters of the north is poor argument ..............bit daft don't you think because lets face it its not and never has been a north south divide its a London and surrounding counties North divide
should we set up some refugee camps dya recon :huh:

Knock yourself out with them
Dave_Notts
does that mean hackney and tower hamlets are considered northerners
and in 2007 too good old blair and brown its great to see the truth come out :thumbup:

8 Feb 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
this great north south divide is based on a very big city that produces 20%+ of the uk's gdp and employs a large percentage of its workforce from surrounding counties
and that is the whole basis of your and the supporters of the north is poor argument ..............bit daft don't you think because lets face it its not and never has been a north south divide its a London and surrounding counties North divide
should we set up some refugee camps dya recon :huh:

Knock yourself out with them
Dave_Notts
So you believe that the North/South divide is singly based on the effects of London, I would a agree it is a big city, but is it as big as the combined cities further north, take the Cities of Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, I don't know but would guess that the three cities are located in an area within the size of the one City of London, nearby there are the Cities of Leicester and Derby, Nottingham, Stoke on Trent, further North we have Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds, so how much of the remaining 80% of the UKs GDP do you think they contribute ?
I think we do need refuge camps preparing though, I honestly believe that the crazy price hikes in London and the South in general will backfire in peoples faces and they will need our Northern help.
I once worked for Magnet Kitchens, based in Telford our average order value was around £4-5000, at the same time the branches down South had average order values of £16,000. A rep who worked in the Kensington branch said his showroom was located only doors away from a poggenpohl showroom, when they priced a kitchen they trebled or quadroopled the price othewise people believed the product was rubbish compared to the poggenpohl product and quote (it probably was) thier average order value at the time was £20,000
He also told me that people in the inner London elite areas people expected to pay more, they didn't even care that they could buy the product in the midlands at a fraction of the cost, because if the neighbours found out they only paid a small amount they would consider them "skinflints".
Look at house prices in London, even the non-fashionable outskirts, you couldn't buy a garage in London for the price of a large family home in this area. The crash will come and it will hit those inflated housing areas hardest.
so you missed the point that one square mile is produces 20% + of the gdp and employs over people where else in the uk is that figure repeated
yep your right some Muppet's pay more for a kitchen than is necessary but hey i brought a kitchen last year from magnets 20 grands worth
but ........................i didn't pay that as my sons best Friend works for magnets so i paid wooooo hooooo me
house prices are relevant only when you sell a house or try to buy one always have and always will be
we have already had a house prices crash in the early nineties it didn't affect most, and the greatest rise in house prices ever was under the the champions of the north LABOUR
FYI the elite dont really live in the inner city kensington and chelsea are more west London
east London has always been a poor area and that's been fueled by high rise housing and loony councils
maybe we can organise a trip to some of the poorer areas of London to appease the hard done by northerners
and ill repeat my sentiments being poor is not a northern disease and not exclusive to the northern part of the british isles im sure
the whole north south divide is a nothing more than bullshite that helps fuel hate

8 Feb 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Look at house prices in London, even the non-fashionable outskirts, you couldn't buy a garage in London for the price of a large family home in this area. The crash will come and it will hit those inflated housing areas hardest.

seems that is you hoping the crash comes.
i remembered it was your good self that i had a discussion with regarding london not that long ago. with regards to you moaning and groaning about the money spent on the capitals new yeers eve firework display and other things.
it was apparent then that you hated london and your thred here just confirms that. you live up t'north that is great, and i live down south. i do not or never want to live up north.
the site at this moment in time will not let me go back into anyones forum posts over a page ago, where our chat took place. it is no coincidence to me that the very person who started the thred with regards to the north/south divide, is the very person who hates london.
:notes::notes: got it now.
i bet deep down you would love to live here reely, but as you cannot then.... :thumbup:
go on admit it, go on go on innocent

8 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Look at house prices in London, even the non-fashionable outskirts, you couldn't buy a garage in London for the price of a large family home in this area. The crash will come and it will hit those inflated housing areas hardest.

seems that is you hoping the crash comes.
i remembered it was your good self that i had a discussion with regarding london not that long ago. with regards to you moaning and groaning about the money spent on the capitals new yeers eve firework display and other things.
it was apparent then that you hated london and your thred here just confirms that. you live up t'north that is great, and i live down south. i do not or never want to live up north.
the site at this moment in time will not let me go back into anyones forum posts over a page ago, where our chat took place. it is no coincidence to me that the very person who started the thred with regards to the north/south divide, is the very person who hates london.
:notes::notes: got it now.
i bet deep down you would love to live here reely, but as you cannot then.... :thumbup:
go on admit it, go on go on innocent

Part of what you say is very true, but hate London, not at all, I am British to the core and it is our Nations Capital, I have and would again put my life on the line for it and what it stands for. But your attitude is typical of Londoners, I think some people may think, as I do, that the South in not one City, London is part of a very large area we call the South, only a Londoner could possibly think that when we refer to the South we are only talking about London, I quoted London house prices because I believe that most people will realise that this is one area of the South where housing is overly expensive, there are many many other areas that are the same. Would I live in London, no, I am a country boy at heart, would I live in some of the beautifull areas of countryside the South has to offer, absolutely, though I doubt I could ever afford to.
What I do hate is how money is often channeled into the capital and it's surrounding areas that is denied to other developments, take Wembly stadium for instance, when funds were sought for the new stadium we struggled to raise the funds, we had to wait for the new stadium, yet all the while money was waiting and pledged to build a new National Stadium serving not only football but many other sports as well, all private money at no expense to the taxpayer, the problem, the money was available to build it in the centre of the country, between Birmingham and Coventry in an area that is already served well by rail, air and road links, has adequate accommodation and other facilities currently serving the NEC. Did the National Sports Stadium HAVE to be located in London ?
How many projects outside the Capital were financed for the Millenium, did anyone consider building a Dome elsewhere, would the failed Millenium Bridge have been better located elsewhere ?
I feel sorry for Londoners, yes there is a lot of money pumped into the Capital that could be better used elsewhere but they are also taken advantage of, congestion tax, parking fees outside your own homes, (I can park 9 cars on the street directly outside my house at no cost whatsoever) extortionate council tax rates and more, but this thread was asking what other people thought about the divide, because I don't know all the answers and wondered what other people thought, average people not the media and not the Government.
I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

8 Feb 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Part of what you say is very true, but hate London, not at all, I am British to the core and it is our Nations Capital, I have and would again put my life on the line for it and what it stands for.

all you do is moan about how much london or the south gets in comparrison to the rest of the country dunno

but london is your biggest gripe.

Quote by MidsCouple24
What I do hate is how money is often channeled into the capital and it's surrounding areas that is denied to other developments, take Wembly stadium for instance, when funds were sought for the new stadium we struggled to raise the funds, we had to wait for the new stadium, yet all the while money was waiting and pledged to build a new National Stadium serving not only football but many other sports as well, all private money at no expense to the taxpayer, the problem, the money was available to build it in the centre of the country, between Birmingham and Coventry in an area that is already served well by rail, air and road links, has adequate accommodation and other facilities currently serving the NEC. Did the National Sports Stadium HAVE to be located in London ?

see you contradict yourself all the time. it is plain to see that someone up north has a constant pop because they moan about there bit of the country is not getting the same investments. oh and yes the national stadium should be in london, for the same reesons that the olympic stadium is as well :thumbup:
birmingham? i am sure there are many peeple outside of london who would love to have birmingham as its capital. will have to see if we can move buck house and the houses of parliament up there as well. have they got enough space in crossroads county? lol

Quote by MidsCouple24
How many projects outside the Capital were financed for the Millenium, did anyone consider building a Dome elsewhere, would the failed Millenium Bridge have been better located elsewhere ?

not another moan is it dunno

Quote by MidsCouple24
I feel sorry for Londoners, yes there is a lot of money pumped into the Capital that could be better used elsewhere but they are also taken advantage of, congestion tax, parking fees outside your own homes, (I can park 9 cars on the street directly outside my house at no cost whatsoever) extortionate council tax rates and more, but this thread was asking what other people thought about the divide, because I don't know all the answers and wondered what other people thought, average people not the media and not the Government.

see what we have to put up with in london?? :doh: i can tell you what, there are bigger slums and lack of money spent in london than anywhere else. they have mentioned too boroughs in london but there are many many more places than those. stratford before the stadium had been screaming out for development since just after the war, it was virtually a slum and had been for yeers. there is no north south divide, only green eyed northerners who THINK there is a divide. banghead

Quote by MidsCouple24
I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

WAGES my friend. WAGES.
all of what you say above is just one contradiction after another. you dont like london etc etc etc. fine i am sure london can do without your good self. for me? i love london and the fact that we have the national stadium, and the olympic stadium, and the home of rugby, or as near to london as can be.
it happens in london for the same reesons it happens in new york, or paris, or any other major city, it is because it is the major city. surely anyone can see that :doh: except northerners perhaps dunno

oh and for the record. when a tourist comes to the uk, where do they want to go? ermmmm. i shall leeve that up to you to think about but it certainly aint birmingham. blink

8 Feb 2012

Smoke and mirrors

8 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Part of what you say is very true, but hate London, not at all, I am British to the core and it is our Nations Capital, I have and would again put my life on the line for it and what it stands for.

all you do is moan about how much london or the south gets in comparrison to the rest of the country dunno

but london is your biggest gripe.

Quote by MidsCouple24
What I do hate is how money is often channeled into the capital and it's surrounding areas that is denied to other developments, take Wembly stadium for instance, when funds were sought for the new stadium we struggled to raise the funds, we had to wait for the new stadium, yet all the while money was waiting and pledged to build a new National Stadium serving not only football but many other sports as well, all private money at no expense to the taxpayer, the problem, the money was available to build it in the centre of the country, between Birmingham and Coventry in an area that is already served well by rail, air and road links, has adequate accommodation and other facilities currently serving the NEC. Did the National Sports Stadium HAVE to be located in London ?

see you contradict yourself all the time. it is plain to see that someone up north has a constant pop because they moan about there bit of the country is not getting the same investments. oh and yes the national stadium should be in london, for the same reesons that the olympic stadium is as well :thumbup:
birmingham? i am sure there are many peeple outside of london who would love to have birmingham as its capital. will have to see if we can move buck house and the houses of parliament up there as well. have they got enough space in crossroads county? lol

Quote by MidsCouple24
How many projects outside the Capital were financed for the Millenium, did anyone consider building a Dome elsewhere, would the failed Millenium Bridge have been better located elsewhere ?

not another moan is it dunno

Quote by MidsCouple24
I feel sorry for Londoners, yes there is a lot of money pumped into the Capital that could be better used elsewhere but they are also taken advantage of, congestion tax, parking fees outside your own homes, (I can park 9 cars on the street directly outside my house at no cost whatsoever) extortionate council tax rates and more, but this thread was asking what other people thought about the divide, because I don't know all the answers and wondered what other people thought, average people not the media and not the Government.

see what we have to put up with in london?? :doh: i can tell you what, there are bigger slums and lack of money spent in london than anywhere else. they have mentioned too boroughs in london but there are many many more places than those. stratford before the stadium had been screaming out for development since just after the war, it was virtually a slum and had been for yeers. there is no north south divide, only green eyed northerners who THINK there is a divide. banghead

Quote by MidsCouple24
I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

WAGES my friend. WAGES.
all of what you say above is just one contradiction after another. you dont like london etc etc etc. fine i am sure london can do without your good self. for me? i love london and the fact that we have the national stadium, and the olympic stadium, and the home of rugby, or as near to london as can be.
it happens in london for the same reesons it happens in new york, or paris, or any other major city, it is because it is the major city. surely anyone can see that :doh: except northerners perhaps dunno

oh and for the record. when a tourist comes to the uk, where do they want to go? ermmmm. i shall leeve that up to you to think about but it certainly aint birmingham. blink

The subject obviously bothers you a lot more than it bothers Northerners, oh dear someone commented on where you live (thats the South not London) and you get your knickers in a right old twist trying to defend it with mentions of a few areas that could do with refurbishment, well there are a lot of places outside London that could do with that as I am sure everyone will agree. Tourists, as far as I am aware visit many places in the UK, Devon, Cornwall, Stratford, Stoke on Trent, The Lake District, Wales, Scotland and Blackpool are a few of the many popular places.
The high salaries paid in London are not WHY people choose to pay higher prices they are paid BECAUSE people have to pay higher prices.
Who asked for a change of Capital, please do tell me ? why do certain places like stadiums and the like HAVE to be in the Capital ? Why don't you add constructive answers instead of insulting people who have a different opinion to you, are we not allowed our own personal opinion without being insulted, called "green eyed" jealous people, moaning is not having an opinion, moaning is having a go at people who wish to understand things better by asking the questions not living in thier own little world of beliefs, this thread ASKED the question of what others thought and IF others were affected by what some call the divide, why are you so defensive and aggressive in your response ?
I do believe there is a North/South divide but, and I say this again, because I do not understand everything, I asked for other peoples opinion, you obviously do not care what others think because you have decided there is no divide and that is the end of it for you.
And ...... since you keep quoting all the things London has have a look at the crime figures, drug dependency figures and homeless figures, there are some other league tables you can talk about being top of smile

8 Feb 2012

Mids
chill, some are just not worth the time nor effort

8 Feb 2012

Quote by HnS
Mids
chill, some are just not worth the time nor effort

Actually Some are very important to many in the US
So Others Might Eat
Restoring hope and dignity one person at a time

8 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
the Leeds based company I work for is doing well too, but then it's in the security industry, and first thing businesses and people think of in a recession is their security cos they've all seen metal thefts on the news so hardly surprising.
so metal theft is a new thing is it i remember as a kid watching local rouges steal the covers off lamp posts, man hole covers have been missing for years. security has come on leaps and bounds and a growth industry because cctv is cheaper than a night security guard its not really rocket science,well not for some of us
What's your angle, and how does that disprove the general stats? I'll give you a clue. It doesn't.
there you go making assumptions, i read the stats today and it focused mainly on the retail industry (shops)
funny no mention of how many people moved to Internet shopping or ebay etc, how many big tescos morrisons or asdas had put most of your local shops out of business
and no mention of how many big shopping centres has forced the high street out of business
you might like to know every tescos employee is = to one shop and four employees
in fact a quick google search reveals that as far as industry's like engineering car manufacture and building are on the rise in the north so go figure that
how many millions did you say they wasted on these stats to get half a story and your proof is someone made a fortune researching this incomplete nonsense
like i say this thread is funny... really funny!!!

8 Feb 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

There must also be a North/midlands divide as you couldn't get a 12 bedroom house up here in my part of the world for £120K or anywhere near that figure.

8 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777

I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

There must also be a North/midlands divide as you couldn't get a 12 bedroom house up here in my part of the world for £120K or anywhere near that figure.
South of London here, and could not buy a house for that here!

8 Feb 2012

so metal theft is a new thing is it i remember as a kid watching local rouges steal the covers off lamp posts, man hole covers have been missing for years. security has come on leaps and bounds and a growth industry because cctv is cheaper than a night security guard its not really rocket science,well not for some of us

Hardly my point Rob, and what's more you know it. The point is that some sectors and some individual companies may be doing well, or better than they were at least but that does not make the stats showing that jobs are being lost in the North four times as fast as they are in the South bunk. The stats are compiled from data supplied by agencies like the DSS showing how many are signing on as newly unemployed. Those stats are objectively true. They require no interpretation whatsoever as far as the different rate of change North and South is concerned.

funny no mention of how many people moved to Internet shopping or ebay etc, how many big tescos morrisons or asdas had put most of your local shops out of business
and no mention of how many big shopping centres has forced the high street out of business
you might like to know every tescos employee is = to one shop and four employees

How is this relevant to the discussion? I'm talking about a study on job losses. Not the ones you're on about about changes in shopping habits, a trend which would tend to be similar across the board North and South BTW I would imagine. Keep up Rob FFS!

8 Feb 2012

seems there are some things better up north wink

8 Feb 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009

I also wondered if anyone could justify the price difference between a house here (mine has a total of 12 rooms @ £120,00 and a similar property ANYWHERE south of Watford ? I really would like to know why there is such a huge difference in the cost, I know views, schools, transport links and so on make a difference but what makes such a huge difference ?

There must also be a North/midlands divide as you couldn't get a 12 bedroom house up here in my part of the world for £120K or anywhere near that figure.
South of London here, and could not buy a house for that here!

Actually I think it is a Stoke/rest of the country divide, houses still sell here for under £40,000, it is apparently the cheapest place in the country to buy a property, something I really don't understand, excellent links to the M6 (5 mins away) Manchester half an hour, Birmingham 1 hour, Leeds 1 hour, M1 and Derby half an hour etc.
So it cannot be about jobs in the region, Stoke is no worse off in the unemployment stakes than most other areas, and if thats not enough we have a great swingers club ..... giggles.
We are new to the area and we love it here, sure I would love to live in a rural area, the Lake District or similar but we are on the very edge of the Peak district and are left with enough money each month to afford to visit it lol

8 Feb 2012

i have just looked at properties in stoke for pounds. yes i agree that there are a few about, but they look like pound properties i am afraid.
i am sure there are houses similar in manchester for even properties could possibly be pounds, but does anyone want to actually buy and live there dunno

just in case i cannot on this site give links with road names, i cannot show peeple the kind of properties we are talking about. but a google can easily show them. a lot seem to be ex old council houses.

8 Feb 2012

without reference to any statistic other than cash in circulation, it must be that the general quality of life of the vast majority is falling and the vast majority of assets are falling in value. to the powers that be, people are assets too. mmmm ?

9 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
i have just looked at properties in stoke for pounds. yes i agree that there are a few about, but they look like pound properties i am afraid.
i am sure there are houses similar in manchester for even properties could possibly be pounds, but does anyone want to actually buy and live there
just in case i cannot on this site give links with road names, i cannot show peeple the kind of properties we are talking about. but a google can easily show them. a lot seem to be ex old council houses.

Interesting, I checked and there were some nice properties in Liverpool and Manchester for 30-40 grand, true they look like low end priced properties but needs as must for many people, there was a lovely 1 bedroom flat in London at 40 grand on a special development to help people get on the property market (well done that company) but the only other properties at that price were two single car garages at around 40grand each

9 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
so metal theft is a new thing is it i remember as a kid watching local rouges steal the covers off lamp posts, man hole covers have been missing for years. security has come on leaps and bounds and a growth industry because cctv is cheaper than a night security guard its not really rocket science,well not for some of us

Hardly my point Rob, and what's more you know it. The point is that some sectors and some individual companies may be doing well, or better than they were at least but that does not make the stats showing that jobs are being lost in the North four times as fast as they are in the South bunk. The stats are compiled from data supplied by agencies like the DSS showing how many are signing on as newly unemployed. Those stats are objectively true. They require no interpretation whatsoever as far as the different rate of change North and South is concerned.

funny no mention of how many people moved to Internet shopping or ebay etc, how many big tescos morrisons or asdas had put most of your local shops out of business
and no mention of how many big shopping centres has forced the high street out of business
you might like to know every tescos employee is = to one shop and four employees

How is this relevant to the discussion? I'm talking about a study on job losses. Not the ones you're on about about changes in shopping habits, a trend which would tend to be similar across the board North and South BTW I would imagine. Keep up Rob FFS!
you might want to consider that the stats come from a report on job losses based on the retail industry and not some rag news paper as your quoting
stockport in the last 5 years lost 29% of its local shops while middlesborough and sunderland and others lost 26%
cambridge in the south????? however lost only 6% and the south and southwest lost 8% thus the stats for 4-1 job losses in the north compared to the south,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, as if like a rabbit from a hat! gunpowder for someones gun!!
do try to stay away for these rag news papers neil you don't get the full story I'm sure Kent used to like this paper ...........is there a connection with you two .......maybe
a fact from the bbc site neil

The unemployment rate was highest in the North East, at 11.6% and lowest in the South East at 6.3%.

i make that 2-1 not 4-1 but that would depend on what advantage is to made from spin
R xxx wink

9 Feb 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
a fact from the bbc site neil
The unemployment rate was highest in the North East, at 11.6% and lowest in the South East at 6.3%.

i make that 2-1 not 4-1 but that would depend on what advantage is to made from spin
R xxx wink

Almost the exact same I linked to on page one Rob funnily enough, give or take a few percentage points, but having found the you got those figures from mine are more current.
Again, you are missing the point. Noone said, certainly not I, certainly not The Guardian, that unemployment is four times higher in the North than in the South. It's the rate of change the report is concerned with. i.e. Which area is losing jobs faster. Different thing altogether, so your quote of the stats there is irrelevant to that discussion. ((( Thought they would of course tend to confirm the North / South divide that you've been at such pains to deny exists? ))). Unemployment up 18% in the North, 4.5% up in the South on the previous year. That's based on claimant counts produced by Govt departments for the Govts own use. What's 18 / 4.5 Rob?

9 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
a fact from the bbc site neil
The unemployment rate was highest in the North East, at 11.6% and lowest in the South East at 6.3%.

i make that 2-1 not 4-1 but that would depend on what advantage is to made from spin
R xxx wink

Almost the exact same I linked to on page one Rob funnily enough, give or take a few percentage points, but having found the you got those figures from mine are more current.
Again, you are missing the point. Noone said, certainly not I, certainly not The Guardian, that unemployment is four times higher in the North than in the South. It's the rate of change the report is concerned with. i.e. Which area is losing jobs faster. Different thing altogether, so your quote of the stats there is irrelevant to that discussion. ((( Thought they would of course tend to confirm the North / South divide that you've been at such pains to deny exists? ))). Unemployment up 18% in the North, 4.5% up in the South on the previous year. That's based on claimant counts produced by Govt departments for the Govts own use. What's 18 / 4.5 Rob?
there you go the real picture for you neil

now this looks a better balanced picture to the one your trying paint neil thanks for the link sort of disproves your point to THE north south divide looks like its just certain areas whilst quite a few out preform the southeast
thanks again :thumbup:

9 Feb 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
there you go the real picture for you neil

now this looks a better balanced picture to the one your trying paint neil thanks for the link sort of disproves your point to THE north south divide looks like its just certain areas whilst quite a few out preform the southeast
thanks again :thumbup:

so the north / south divide rob is not as some would have us beleeve it seems. :notes: innocent

balance is a wonderful thing when applied as it should be, dont you think confused

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9 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

there you go the real picture for you neil

now this looks a better balanced picture to the one your trying paint neil thanks for the link sort of disproves your point to THE north south divide looks like its just certain areas whilst quite a few out preform the southeast
thanks again :thumbup:

so the north / south divide rob is not as some would have us beleeve it seems. :notes: innocent

balance is a wonderful thing when applied as it should be, dont you think confused

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Smoke and mirrors as some might say

9 Feb 2012

How does this in any way disprove the fact that there is a general trend, that trend being a higher rate of job loss in the North, how many more times? It's not a difficult concept to understand Rob? You're disproving nothing.
As for the map, if you're gonna link to it as though it some way proves your point at least interpret it correctly. So there are pockets of deprivation in the South. Well done. I'm sure none of us knew that. What is the general tone of the map? Pale blue in the bulk of the South, darker blue in the bulk of the North. Where you have dark blue areas in the South they tend to be concentrated on areas like London which I have already said on this thread is a somewhat special case, having large pockets of deprivation, and in the far South West, which again we know has problems. Where you have paler areas in the North it is in predominantly rural areas, the band from North Yorkshire across to South Lakeland for example. There is still a line running across the map from the Bristol Channel in the West to the Wash on the East Coast below which things are on balance very much better than in the North.

10 Feb 2012

Quote by neilinleeds
How does this in any way disprove the fact that there is a general trend, that trend being a higher rate of job loss in the North, how many more times? It's not a difficult concept to understand Rob? You're disproving nothing.
As for the map, if you're gonna link to it as though it some way proves your point at least interpret it correctly. So there are pockets of deprivation in the South. Well done. I'm sure none of us knew that. What is the general tone of the map? Pale blue in the bulk of the South, darker blue in the bulk of the North. Where you have dark blue areas in the South they tend to be concentrated on areas like London which I have already said on this thread is a somewhat special case, having large pockets of deprivation, and in the far South West, which again we know has problems. Where you have paler areas in the North it is in predominantly rural areas, the band from North Yorkshire across to South Lakeland for example. There is still a line running across the map from the Bristol Channel in the West to the Wash on the East Coast below which things are on balance very much better than in the North.

sorry neil i was expecting to see dark blue almost black north of milton keynes doesn't seem the case does it :doh:
click the animated link there seems to be a pattern generally like the south its only patches in the north
but the southeast isn't white and shiny like the picture you paint neil is it ...........is it!!!!!!
no its not
I'm not the only one that can see it, like Ive said till I'm blue in the face neil its spin used to effect buy northern members of the labour party to champion their cause
as gullible as ever you fell for it as did a few others no need to be embarrassed though
now has anyone checked population figures in certain areas where the picture is painted lightest? i doubt it some how so again the stats mean jack without the whole picture don't they
and you don't have the whole picture just a soap box and a fireing pin but no gun or bullet to use it with
but hay don't let facts get in the way of a good discussion

10 Feb 2012

If there is no north south divide .... can I suggest a huge fucking wall

10 Feb 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
this great north south divide is based on a very big city that produces 20%+ of the uk's gdp and employs a large percentage of its workforce from surrounding counties
and that is the whole basis of your and the supporters of the north is poor argument ..............bit daft don't you think because lets face it its not and never has been a north south divide its a London and surrounding counties North divide
should we set up some refugee camps dya recon :huh:

Knock yourself out with them
Dave_Notts
does that mean hackney and tower hamlets are considered northerners
and in 2007 too good old blair and brown its great to see the truth come out :thumbup:
Have a good read then work it out yourself. The stats are not just from 2007 but the site links to years before, so it is cross party reporting.
The point of the report is to show health inequalities across the UK and where they peak. It is the biggest gathering of data and lots of conclusions can be drawn from them.
Dave_Notts

10 Feb 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
If there is no north south divide .... can I suggest a huge fucking wall

yeah with the northerners kept over the poor side of the wall rotflmao

10 Feb 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
If there is no north south divide .... can I suggest a huge fucking wall

yeah with the northerners kept over the poor side of the wall rotflmao

Funny I thought you'd said there was no divide dunno

Are you sure?