The Jungle in Calais

26 Sep 2009

Quote by GnV
I'm sorry NIL, but I am now struggling to see your point if you have one
Perhaps it's your turn to explain where your at on this.

S'ok GnV. Sometimes I wonder WTF I'm on about too. I was perhaps being a bit argumentative for the sake of argument, eh? ;)
I think my point was that I understand the legal side of the whole asylum thing, kind of. No, of course they have no automatic right of entry here. I don't know the overland route that leads to Calais, but if France ain't obliged to take them, legally speaking, then neither are we. I get that. I do think though that Britain / the EU / The UN / whatever umbrella organisation you care to name that we're a part of, have moral obligations, that render the technicalities of yer actual law a bit redundant, IMO, and the fact that other so-called allies ain't prepared to do their bit is no reason whatsoever for us to shrug our shoulders, and wash our hands. We went in allegedly cos we understand that their countries are FUBARed. It's sufficient reason to go to war, but insufficient reason when it comes to tasking care of the refugees from these FUBARed countries? I genuinely do not grasp that bit of logic? confused

As to the idea that we can't afford them? ((( Kent ))) Rubbish! I understand there is probably a legal principle at stake, and there's that whole opening the floodgates thing to think on, but we're ((( I'm! ))) talking about a thousand people. Not all of 'em will milk you for your tax. Asylum seekers have very little access actually to the milk and honey of the UK benefits system, until such time as they're actually awarded proper refugee status anyways, which most of 'em probably wouldn't get. Wouldn't kill us to go through the motions and give 'em due process though, would it?
N x x x ;)

26 Sep 2009

Quote by neilinleeds
I'm sorry NIL, but I am now struggling to see your point if you have one
Perhaps it's your turn to explain where your at on this.

S'ok GnV. Sometimes I wonder WTF I'm on about too. I was perhaps being a bit argumentative for the sake of argument, eh? ;)
I think my point was that I understand the legal side of the whole asylum thing, kind of. No, of course they have no automatic right of entry here. I don't know the overland route that leads to Calais, but if France ain't obliged to take them, legally speaking, then neither are we. I get that. I do think though that Britain / the EU / The UN / whatever umbrella organisation you care to name that we're a part of, have moral obligations, that render the technicalities of yer actual law a bit redundant, IMO, and the fact that other so-called allies ain't prepared to do their bit is no reason whatsoever for us to shrug our shoulders, and wash our hands.
As to the idea that we can't afford them? ((( Kent ))) Rubbish! I understand there is probably a legal principle at stake, and there's that whole opening the floodgates thing to think on, but we're ((( I'm! ))) talking about a thousand people. Not all of 'em will milk you for your tax. Asylum seekers have very little access actually to the milk and honey of the UK benefits system, until such time as they're actually awarded proper refugee status anyways, which most of 'em probably wouldn't get.
N x x x ;)
Neil.....even when they are refused asylum status in the UK, it is so difficult to deport them.
I do not know how many in actual figures we are talking about, but I have heard there are thousands over in the UK, either waiting for an answer, or waiting for the so called deportation.
The cost Neil might not be much to you in the wider scheme of things but....it sure ain't peanut money.
Money that could be better spent on British people who are waiting for an operation, or for a house or flat, or the elderly who seem to be the first ones hit when money becomes tight.
Charity begins at home. When our own problems are sorted, then of course I would expect us to step in....but not before that happens.
The " people " over in France have NO right to be here, and every effort should be made to keep them out. As they are in France, then I would say now it is France's problem.

26 Sep 2009

Not entirely on topic (i.e. not specifically about the "jungle" -no rascism there then).
As far as I can tell most if not all of these people have led lives of hardship on an order we can't even concieve ,I cannot find it in my heart to just shut the door and send them back to (the west) are in no small part responsible for the suffering in many 3rd world countries to wash our hands of the results of expansionism and colonialism is to say the least irresponsible,(and we just don't understand why we may be disliked...it's beyond me ??)
My imagined interview between an immigration official and a migrant...........
immigration:now then sir/madam what seems to be the problem?
Immigrant:well I was starving and I'd hoped things might be a bit better here
Immigration:that's terrible sit down have a cup of tea and we'll see how we can help.
Anything else I.E. to condemn anyone to a life of starvation and toil because of an accident of birth is so lacking in human compassion that it is beyond there is a level playing field globally we have a right to complain about how difficult it is to pay our mortgage (bloody poles/ 's/indians (take your pick) coming over here nicking our jobs)'til then it would seem better just to shut up and help where we can.

26 Sep 2009

Quote by Steve
I'm afraid I'm inclined to agree with GnV here....
As I said earlier they should apply for asylum in the first EU country they enter and not the one they would like to end up in...

and i second that,GnV's argument on this matter makes perfect sense!

26 Sep 2009

You got a spare room there Staggers? wink

26 Sep 2009

Will the last one to leave Iraq/Afghanistan...please turn the lights out!

26 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
You got a spare room there Staggers?

Yes

26 Sep 2009

Quote by Staggers
(not specifically about the "jungle" -no rascism there then)

Ha ha ha ha!
I didn't wanna dwell on that, but now you mention it . . .
;)

Quote by kentswingers777
You got a spare room there Staggers?

Ha ha ha ha!
That's what society's for Kent. It's there to do the dirty jobs we wouldn't necessarily want to do ourselves. I work really hard 40 odd hours a week to help keep the roof over our heads. How lucky am I to have the opportunity of daily toil in a country like mine? ((( That's me being patriotic Kent! ))) Do I begrudge a few scattered coppers I'd barely even miss to those less fortunate than me? No!
N x x x ;)

26 Sep 2009

Quote by neilinleeds
You got a spare room there Staggers?

Ha ha ha ha!
That's what society's for Kent. It's there to do the dirty jobs we wouldn't necessarily want to do ourselves. I work really hard 40 odd hours a week to help keep the roof over our heads. How lucky am I to have the opportunity of daily toil in a country like mine? ((( That's me being patriotic Kent! ))) Do I begrudge a few scattered coppers I'd barely even miss to those less fortunate than me? No!
N x x x ;)
Not exactly a few coppers Neil.

Remeber these figures were two years old, and the rate of illegals coming here has not let up. So maybe the Â£350 could now be closer to Â£500. A lot of money to me, but still it's only a few coppers eh? :wink:

26 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Not exactly a few coppers Neil.

Oh for crying out loud Kent. You're quoting a Daily Mail article predicated on research conducted by the notable anti-immigration Migration Watch founder / consultant David Coleman.
Forgive me if I take everything he has to say with a pinch of salt. David Coleman's, and Migration Watch's figures are disputed, and have been comprehensively dismantled by better statisticians with less of a political agenda than I, you, and the Daily bleedin' Mail for that matter.
Still, talks a good game of football for an Oxford Don though, eh? lol

:P
Anyways, assuming Coleman is correct, and it might really cost me 500 quid to save another human being's life? In all seriousness, and I genuinely mean this, I wouldn't bat a fucking eyelid at it. Honestly. I'd not even notice the money, cos we have direct debits going out, and do budgets, and whatever, and what's left is what we live on. If I denied them it, I'm damn sure I'd notice a life lost on me conscience. All I want really is an easy life, a bit like them. 500 quid a year for an easy life? I can live with that!
N x x x ;)

26 Sep 2009

Neil....whilst I agree with your sentiments, life really ain't like that at all.
You cannot feed the world, even though Geldoff tried. It don't work. People can of course be given a helping hand but they have to use that hand wisely.
I would rather my Â£500 went to an old age pensioner in dire need of a hip operation in the UK, than to somebody OUTSIDE of our jurisdiction as a country.
I understand where both yourself and Staggers are coming from, I just say as a wider picture, it simply is not practical.
You or I may not agree with the guy in the artical, but there are plenty of others if you Google it, who pretty much say the same things. I just took the first example of many.

26 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
You got a spare room there Staggers?

Ha ha ha ha!
That's what society's for Kent. It's there to do the dirty jobs we wouldn't necessarily want to do ourselves. I work really hard 40 odd hours a week to help keep the roof over our heads. How lucky am I to have the opportunity of daily toil in a country like mine? ((( That's me being patriotic Kent! ))) Do I begrudge a few scattered coppers I'd barely even miss to those less fortunate than me? No!
N x x x ;)
Not exactly a few coppers Neil.

Remeber these figures were two years old, and the rate of illegals coming here has not let up. So maybe the Â£350 could now be closer to Â£500. A lot of money to me, but still it's only a few coppers eh? :wink:
Don't even go there kent. There is absolutely no point in trying to justify the issue purely on numbers none of us mere mortals could ever hope to validate.
It's a matter of legal principle, plain and simple.
On the other hand, if people in which ever land and for whatever reason wish to make some voluntary contribution from their own resources (as NIL suggests) to ease the plight of those affected by these conflicts then I have nothing but admiration for them and their gracious efforts to assist the less fortunate and disadvantaged should be acknowledged, not hindered by the popular press.

30 Sep 2009

The USA was built on massive immigrant influx but these days if you are an illegal alien you will be in big trouble if you are caught.
I like the Australian attitude towards immigrants.
Being born after the British empire ended i feel no responsibility or duty towards those who would use that connection to migrate to our overcrowded country any more so than a post 2nd world war German should feel guilty about whaat Hitler's Nazis did.
There should be a massive sign on the white cliffs Near Dover that reads 'FULL UP'.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Rob_hood
The USA was built on massive immigrant influx but these days if you are an illegal alien you will be in big trouble if you are caught.
I like the Australian attitude towards immigrants.
Being born after the British empire ended i feel no responsibility or duty towards those who would use that connection to migrate to our overcrowded country any more so than a post 2nd world war German should feel guilty about whaat Hitler's Nazis did.
There should be a massive sign on the white cliffs Near Dover that reads 'FULL UP'.

Oh, I very much doubt that.
See for one massacre in France towards the end of the war carried out by the Waffen SS.

30 Sep 2009

Until corrupt governments and starvation is eradicated globally these problems are never going to go away.
Kent you say look after our own. I believe nobody is starving in this country, and while I feel that, I can not deny others the basics of food and shelter, when we have the ability of so much more than the basic in this country.
I watched a programme the other day that showed the plight of men leaving their villages and families behind in Africa to cross the dessert on foot to Libya, there were human remains just laying across the dessert a lot donâ€™t make it, the heat and lack of water takes their lives. Their familiesâ€™ not knowing if they have made it or not. It saddens me greatly.
Yes they all leave to want to come here, here where the chance of work and money to feed their families is the aim.
I often wonder how many men would put their lives on the line like that in western countries, where we take everything for granted.
I would just like some to think a little when you say you work for what you have, other donâ€™t have the chance to work to even feed their children in other countries. If these men were lazy or selfish I think their minds would be saying, stay where I am and fend for number one.
This is just one example there are many others.

30 Sep 2009

Minxy if you are so concerned about mans fellow plight against fellow man, there are many things you can do to help.
From raising money to even going out to say Africa to help. Have you done any of that at all?
You cannot feed the world Minxy. Yes Governments mainly those of the fruitful West spend billions every year in aid. Remember Geldoff? Whilst that raised millions of pounds, in the long run, those problems are still happening.
IF it was a case of having the money to staff hospitals correctly, and no waiting times for sometimes life saving operations, and we had no problems then of course things could be different.
IF it came down to operations or paying for some others say in Africa, which would most choose? I think most would choose to put themselves and their families first. Nothing wrong in that.
No point saying we should do this and that, without doing something yourself first.....unless you have?

30 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Minxy if you are so concerned about mans fellow plight against fellow man, there are many things you can do to help.
From raising money to even going out to say Africa to help. Have you done any of that at all?
You cannot feed the world Minxy. Yes Governments mainly those of the fruitful West spend billions every year in aid. Remember Geldoff? Whilst that raised millions of pounds, in the long run, those problems are still happening.
IF it was a case of having the money to staff hospitals correctly, and no waiting times for sometimes life saving operations, and we had no problems then of course things could be different.
IF it came down to operations or paying for some others say in Africa, which would most choose? I think most would choose to put themselves and their families first. Nothing wrong in that.
No point saying we should do this and that, without doing something yourself first.....unless you have?

Kent what you have said is like me saying would you give up your luxuries to assist in the operations so needed by someone that is dying.
I am talking about this country as a whole the western society in general to take a thought for others show some empathy instead of calling everyone that is not from these lands scrounger, or as I take from the title of your thread jungle animals.
I have always felt this country as a whole is educated and by now should be looking at the flight of some of these people and showing some empathy towards them.
I for one would go to any means if my life and families lives were in danger and or we were starving. It is basic survival and one we take for granted.
Kent if I needed a life saving operation that costs thousands or that money could be used to feed a thousand starving children, I would sacrifice my life of 45 years for them my family and friends would understand why I done it as they know me better than anyone.
Kent I have lived and learnt if I understood half when I was younger than I know now, I would have happily gone on a different path in life, not that I regret the life I have now but feel I could be doing so much more with it. But I do what little I can for the sake of others, and my offering is done as I have empathy for fellow humans no matter where in the world they come from.

30 Sep 2009

Right so you obviously have done nothing then....that's fine.
Secondly...are you really telling me that you would give up your life as you stated above to save others?
Hmmmmm....you then say " your family and friends would understand ". Not wishing to doubt your very honourable intentions Minxy but....am sure your kids may have a different outlook on that, plus also let's be honest here, it is very easy to make a sweeping statement like that, when there is no possible way that would ever happen. :shock:
I never called it a jungle Minxy....that is what it has become known by, I have merely used that expression as that is what it is known as.
I believe the people of this country should come first as a country and others second. That is not to say we should not help others, which we do to the tune of millions every year. I believe it is Governments who have the responsibilty to help other countries, and not individuals.
Yes there are some wonderful people out there who help others all the time, and to them I say brilliant, but don't expect everyone to have the same opinions on this. They are scroungers out there in France, who want nothing from us other than the benefits we shall heap at them, at a very time when plenty of people over here, are struggling big time.
Try going to your local hospital and finding out how overun they are, the lack of money and we are expected to take these people in?
Sorry lets get our house in order first, to look after our own over here, then by all means help others.
The Red Cross are looking for helpers Minxy over in France...now where's the number for Easy Jet. wink

30 Sep 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Right so you obviously have done nothing then....that's fine.
Kent you know little about me, and what I have or have not done, you are the one thats complaining, what have you done?
Secondly...are you really telling me that you would give up your life as you stated above to save others?
Hmmmmm....you then say " your family and friends would understand ". Not wishing to doubt your very honourable intentions Minxy but....am sure your kids may have a different outlook on that, plus also let's be honest here, it is very easy to make a sweeping statement like that, when there is no possible way that would ever happen.
Kent my kids understand very well my thoughts and feelings towards others, and how very lucky they are in the scheme of life. They have a roof over their, heads, food in their bellies love, and warmth. Anything beyond that isnt a need, its a want. I bought them up not to want but consider if things are a need, they realise that there are many not even getting the basics to survive, and lucky to say they understand this fact. When 12 year olds start saying to you, so many people are so selfish, I am happy my children don't think they are the most important beings. Yes it is very hard in todays society to raise children in this way, but I have stuck by my core principals and havent sucum to temptation of greed.
I never called it a jungle Minxy....that is what it has become known by, I have merely used that expression as that is what it is known as.
Ok so that fine then to carry on the trend!

I believe the people of this country should come first as a country and others second. That is not to say we should not help others, which we do to the tune of millions every year. I believe it is Governments who have the responsibilty to help other countries, and not individuals.
Kent what so the government should assist other countries, so what happens when they are lead by corrupt govenments we just forget about the individual people that live there?
Sorry I see that as a very blinkered view.
Yes there are some wonderful people out there who help others all the time, and to them I say brilliant, but don't expect everyone to have the same opinions on this. They are scroungers out there in France, who want nothing from us other than the benefits we shall heap at them, at a very time when plenty of people over here, are struggling big time.
I too have stuggled, I don't deny it is hard at times, but I still have never seen my stuggle as anything like parents stuggles in other countries, sometime at time of stuggle we have to consider that. It might put life into prospective a little, also through our stuggles we come out stronger, Life isn't easy, as you have so often put, things are not dished up on a plate. But the one thing I always knew my kids would not starve.
Try going to your local hospital and finding out how overun they are, the lack of money and we are expected to take these people in?

I agree, but we have hospitals, we have medical care, I believe its peoples expectations and lack of patience that expect them to be better. You hear the story of someone on a trolley waiting for assitance, its happened to my own father. But I beleive we are lucky we have anything at all.
Sorry lets get our house in order first, to look after our own over here, then by all means help others.
I think you will find there are measures in place for that, but I guess for some they always want more.
The Red Cross are looking for helpers Minxy over in France...now where's the number for Easy Jet.

I shall ignore your condescending attitude :wink:

30 Sep 2009

Well said Minx and well said again. I have a new rule of thumb and ignore all posts that refer to me or others as a diminutive. Its usually a bad sign. Condescending is a wonderful word.

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Well said Minx and well said again. I have a new rule of thumb and ignore all posts that refer to me or others as a diminutive. Its usually a bad sign. Condescending is a wonderful word.

So you wont be making any future posts that refer to others as diminutives, I take it?

30 Sep 2009

Quote by Max777
Well said Minx and well said again. I have a new rule of thumb and ignore all posts that refer to me or others as a diminutive. Its usually a bad sign. Condescending is a wonderful word.

So you wont be making any future posts that refer to others as diminutives, I take it?
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30 Sep 2009

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Right so you obviously have done nothing then....that's fine.
Kent you know little about me, and what I have or have not done, you are the one thats complaining, what have you done?
Secondly...are you really telling me that you would give up your life as you stated above to save others?
Hmmmmm....you then say " your family and friends would understand ". Not wishing to doubt your very honourable intentions Minxy but....am sure your kids may have a different outlook on that, plus also let's be honest here, it is very easy to make a sweeping statement like that, when there is no possible way that would ever happen.
Kent my kids understand very well my thoughts and feelings towards others, and how very lucky they are in the scheme of life. They have a roof over their, heads, food in their bellies love, and warmth. Anything beyond that isnt a need, its a want. I bought them up not to want but consider if things are a need, they realise that there are many not even getting the basics to survive, and lucky to say they understand this fact. When 12 year olds start saying to you, so many people are so selfish, I am happy my children don't think they are the most important beings. Yes it is very hard in todays society to raise children in this way, but I have stuck by my core principals and havent sucum to temptation of greed.
I never called it a jungle Minxy....that is what it has become known by, I have merely used that expression as that is what it is known as.
Ok so that fine then to carry on the trend!

I believe the people of this country should come first as a country and others second. That is not to say we should not help others, which we do to the tune of millions every year. I believe it is Governments who have the responsibilty to help other countries, and not individuals.
Kent what so the government should assist other countries, so what happens when they are lead by corrupt govenments we just forget about the individual people that live there?
Sorry I see that as a very blinkered view.
Yes there are some wonderful people out there who help others all the time, and to them I say brilliant, but don't expect everyone to have the same opinions on this. They are scroungers out there in France, who want nothing from us other than the benefits we shall heap at them, at a very time when plenty of people over here, are struggling big time.
I too have stuggled, I don't deny it is hard at times, but I still have never seen my stuggle as anything like parents stuggles in other countries, sometime at time of stuggle we have to consider that. It might put life into prospective a little, also through our stuggles we come out stronger, Life isn't easy, as you have so often put, things are not dished up on a plate. But the one thing I always knew my kids would not starve.
Try going to your local hospital and finding out how overun they are, the lack of money and we are expected to take these people in?

I agree, but we have hospitals, we have medical care, I believe its peoples expectations and lack of patience that expect them to be better. You hear the story of someone on a trolley waiting for assitance, its happened to my own father. But I beleive we are lucky we have anything at all.
Sorry lets get our house in order first, to look after our own over here, then by all means help others.
I think you will find there are measures in place for that, but I guess for some they always want more.
The Red Cross are looking for helpers Minxy over in France...now where's the number for Easy Jet.

I shall ignore your condescending attitude :wink:
Minxy I am not going to get into a long drawn out arguement about who is right or who is wrong.
I think if you are serious about your comment about giving up your life for others, then from a lot of peoples point of view, that is an extremely selfish comment, especially when you have kids....my opinion.
Your other comment which states " Kent you know little about me, and what I have or have not done, you are the one thats complaining, what have you done? ", I do not see the relevance there.
I never said I would or have done anything, it was YOU that stated about what people should do. I merely asked what YOU have done. Seeing as you still fail to answer that I presume nothing other than to say what everyone else should do/be like.
I have done nothing, nor would I do anything either. My family come first, then my friends, and then on occasion a neighbour.
People living in tents waiting for the right opportunity to SNEAK ILLEGALLY into Britain to scrounge off of our benefit system, have no meaning in my life at all. Heartless? Why the heck is it?
You want to put others above your own then that is fine, I commend you, but don't run me down because I do not hold the same views. My wife and family are all that matters to me!
I give to cancer research EVERY month and have done for years. I support Children in need every year, as it goes towards kids in this country that are sick and dieing, that is a damn sight more than a lot do.
I respect your comments and if they are your genuine thoughts, then that is fine with me....they are just not the way forward for me. cool

9 Dec 2009

Looks like Sangatte is opening again....

9 Dec 2009

That does not suprise me at all GNV.
The French don't want them over there, and they know where they are heading. So it would be much easier for the French to just open it again, so as to get rid of the problem as they all heading for the land of houses and benefits!
The thing is with the French....no I won't say it.
For the lorry drivers it must be a constant bloody nightmare, trying to keep these people off their lorries.
IF these people are being persecuted so badly in their home country, why the fuck do they not apply for asylum in the country they are in now???.FRANCE!! But we know the reasons....hot and cold running benefits in the UK!!
I bet after reading some of the stories, they will be heading in their thousands....soft touch Britain....

9 Dec 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
That does not suprise me at all GNV.
The French don't want them over there, and they know where they are heading. So it would be much easier for the French to just open it again, so as to get rid of the problem as they all heading for the land of houses and benefits!
The thing is with the French....no I won't say it.
For the lorry drivers it must be a constant bloody nightmare, trying to keep these people off their lorries.
IF these people are being persecuted so badly in their home country, why the fuck do they not apply for asylum in the country they are in now???.FRANCE!! But we know the reasons....hot and cold running benefits in the UK!!
I bet after reading some of the stories, they will be heading in their thousands....soft touch Britain....

I don't think they had any choice tbh.
The "jungle" which they closed down in September was an illegal facility. Sangatte on the other hand was a properly organised state facility which, when they closed it down quite a few years ago, caused the horrendous local problems associated with the "jungle".
Why blame the French? If the UK was made less a land of milk and money it would be less attractive to these migrants and therefore they wouldn't bother coming to Calais for a free ride.

9 Dec 2009

Quote by GnV
That does not suprise me at all GNV.
The French don't want them over there, and they know where they are heading. So it would be much easier for the French to just open it again, so as to get rid of the problem as they all heading for the land of houses and benefits!
The thing is with the French....no I won't say it.
For the lorry drivers it must be a constant bloody nightmare, trying to keep these people off their lorries.
IF these people are being persecuted so badly in their home country, why the fuck do they not apply for asylum in the country they are in now???.FRANCE!! But we know the reasons....hot and cold running benefits in the UK!!
I bet after reading some of the stories, they will be heading in their thousands....soft touch Britain....

I don't think they had any choice tbh.
The "jungle" which they closed down in September was an illegal facility. Sangatte on the other hand was a properly organised state facility which, when they closed it down quite a few years ago, caused the horrendous local problems associated with the "jungle".
Why blame the French? If the UK was made less a land of milk and money it would be less attractive to these migrants and therefore they wouldn't bother coming to Calais for a free ride.
Sorry GNV I will blame the French to a degree.
Why can they not STOP these people entering their country at source?
They know full well these people are heading to the UK, and it seems have actively encouraged this at times.
Do the French not have border controls? These people want to enter the UK illegally which surely must mean they are in France illegally? Or have I missed something?
A lot of the people in France are from either Eastern Europe or places like Iran, for which Iran or Afghanistan are NOT part of Europe. So why are they in France and the French authorities do nothing to deport them?
The French take a bit of a step back as they know most are heading for Croydon, so do nothing it seems to stop them getting into France, and then hiding in lorries.
Setting up this camp again will only serve one purpose....to enable more immigrants into the UK.

9 Dec 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
That does not suprise me at all GNV.
The French don't want them over there, and they know where they are heading. So it would be much easier for the French to just open it again, so as to get rid of the problem as they all heading for the land of houses and benefits!
The thing is with the French....no I won't say it.
For the lorry drivers it must be a constant bloody nightmare, trying to keep these people off their lorries.
IF these people are being persecuted so badly in their home country, why the fuck do they not apply for asylum in the country they are in now???.FRANCE!! But we know the reasons....hot and cold running benefits in the UK!!
I bet after reading some of the stories, they will be heading in their thousands....soft touch Britain....

I don't think they had any choice tbh.
The "jungle" which they closed down in September was an illegal facility. Sangatte on the other hand was a properly organised state facility which, when they closed it down quite a few years ago, caused the horrendous local problems associated with the "jungle".
Why blame the French? If the UK was made less a land of milk and money it would be less attractive to these migrants and therefore they wouldn't bother coming to Calais for a free ride.
Sorry GNV I will blame the French to a degree.
Why can they not STOP these people entering their country at source?
They know full well these people are heading to the UK, and it seems have actively encouraged this at times.
Do the French not have border controls? These people want to enter the UK illegally which surely must mean they are in France illegally? Or have I missed something?
A lot of the people in France are from either Eastern Europe or places like Iran, for which Iran or Afghanistan are NOT part of Europe. So why are they in France and the French authorities do nothing to deport them?
The French take a bit of a step back as they know most are heading for Croydon, so do nothing it seems to stop them getting into France, and then hiding in lorries.
Setting up this camp again will only serve one purpose....to enable more immigrants into the UK.
You've missed something. France is huge. It borders 6/7 countries, and has many, many miles of coastline.
I've driven through/into France from Belgium- no border controls...Germany- no border controls. Italy- I believe where we crossed there were "booths"- but that was a toll road if I remember correctly, not passport control. Switzerland- I believe we had our passports checked entering. Luxembourg- no control.
Never done the drive to Spain/Andorra- but even if each & every tiny road had passport control, how on earth do you think they could stop people crossing into the country on foot?
You can't fence France.

9 Dec 2009

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That does not suprise me at all GNV.
The French don't want them over there, and they know where they are heading. So it would be much easier for the French to just open it again, so as to get rid of the problem as they all heading for the land of houses and benefits!
The thing is with the French....no I won't say it.
For the lorry drivers it must be a constant bloody nightmare, trying to keep these people off their lorries.
IF these people are being persecuted so badly in their home country, why the fuck do they not apply for asylum in the country they are in now???.FRANCE!! But we know the reasons....hot and cold running benefits in the UK!!
I bet after reading some of the stories, they will be heading in their thousands....soft touch Britain....

I don't think they had any choice tbh.
The "jungle" which they closed down in September was an illegal facility. Sangatte on the other hand was a properly organised state facility which, when they closed it down quite a few years ago, caused the horrendous local problems associated with the "jungle".
Why blame the French? If the UK was made less a land of milk and money it would be less attractive to these migrants and therefore they wouldn't bother coming to Calais for a free ride.
Sorry GNV I will blame the French to a degree.
Why can they not STOP these people entering their country at source?
They know full well these people are heading to the UK, and it seems have actively encouraged this at times.
Do the French not have border controls? These people want to enter the UK illegally which surely must mean they are in France illegally? Or have I missed something?
A lot of the people in France are from either Eastern Europe or places like Iran, for which Iran or Afghanistan are NOT part of Europe. So why are they in France and the French authorities do nothing to deport them?
The French take a bit of a step back as they know most are heading for Croydon, so do nothing it seems to stop them getting into France, and then hiding in lorries.
Setting up this camp again will only serve one purpose....to enable more immigrants into the UK.
You've missed something. France is huge. It borders 6/7 countries, and has many, many miles of coastline.
I've driven through/into France from Belgium- no border controls...Germany- no border controls. Italy- I believe where we crossed there were "booths"- but that was a toll road if I remember correctly, not passport control. Switzerland- I believe we had our passports checked entering. Luxembourg- no control.
Never done the drive to Spain/Andorra- but even if each & every tiny road had passport control, how on earth do you think they could stop people crossing into the country on foot?
You can't fence France.

9 Dec 2009

Right ok that's a fair point Witchy but....
In the " jungle " and at Stangate or whatever it is called, the French KNOW there are illegals there, in their OWN country. Why do they choose to it seems turn a blind eye to it?
Answer is very simple....they know they are not staying in France, but are in fact heading for the UK. So on that basis it is only a temporary problem for France. It is the UK that will bare the brunt of it.
Then when they arrive in the UK they then scream asylum, but don't utter that word in France...do they?