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You may (finally) have seen on the news that protests are taking place in Wall Street (for the last month), London, Birmingham (I think) and Nottingham as well as many other cities around the world.
What do you know about these, what do you feel about them?
My son has been following them since they began last month and so I have heard a fair bit about the motivations and people inviolved. He is attending the Occupy Nottingham protest this weekend. Although, given the wethar forecast I don't envy him in a tent in the centre of Nottingham.
Is it just the youngsters realising they are being screwed? The same realsiation that hit us in the '80s and our parents in the '60's? Is it a response to the unique situation the current banking system (ie the bankers themselves helped by multiple govrnments' relaxing the banking regulations in search of more profits) has dragged us into?
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Is it just the youngsters realising they are being screwed? The same realsiation that hit us in the '80s and our parents in the '60's? Is it a response to the unique situation the current banking system (ie the bankers themselves helped by multiple govrnments' relaxing the banking regulations in search of more profits) has dragged us into?

I think the realisation comes to all of us in the end that at some point we'll need to leave child-hoods things behind and actually take some responsibility for ourselves at some point. Just I'm not sure it has ever been as hard as it is for young people today. Not in modern times, post-war generations anyways. At least in the 60s and 80s you could expect to be financially able to actually afford a first home at some point in the near future if you aspired to one.
The 80s were challenging for lots of us employment wise, but before then for my mam's generation she could expect to leave a job on a friday and have another by the monday. She often did. And for those who aim to succeed and aspire to achievement, the financial disincentives have never been so high. Suspect you and I both enjoyed the possibility of a student grant should we want to go to uni, and even benefits at certain times in the academic year. They're being royally screwed on the say so of a generation of politicians and leaders of financial institutions who's hopes and dreams enjoyed the support of tax-payers and state-funded advantages that they are now telling these kids they cannot have in their turn. They're right to be fucking pissed off.
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i personally never agreed with the bailouts the banks are a business like any other imo
interest rates should be a capped worldwide rate and no higher than 3% regardless of who you are
the whole business of how investment banking works should be reviewed and the sort of practice that lead to the whole banking collapse like selling on debts and unviable investments should outlawed
allowing people or countries to borrow far more than they can afford will continue till something is done
just why the general public is responsible for reckless lending and government overspending still miffs me dunno
do none of these peeple actualy have jobs to go to?
why is it always it seams the same bunch of peeple ether outside st pauls or to be found at dale farm?
i would love top know how many peeple there have no jobs yet are happy not to work but ponce off the very state they despise?
st pauls to shut there doors for the first time since the second world war? for what?
still it is probably a nice little jolly up for the peeple going on there autumn holidays camping i suppose. and getting paid for it to by HM government in way of benefits.
how some peeple have got the nerve i do not know. talk about double standards.
for the record i beleeve the RBS should have been alowed to collapse like that bank would allowed one of its customers to had one of there customers of been as bad with there money and as irresponsible as the very bank who lent it to them has.
make there own customers bankrupt yet get away with it scott free if you are a bank.
let them go under i would have done and saved the money and started up a bank run by the peeple for the peeple.
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do none of these peeple actualy have jobs to go to?
Many of them do - some took holiday to protest.
why is it always it seams the same bunch of peeple ether outside st pauls or to be found at dale farm?
Why do you assume they are? Since Dale Farm happened at the same time it is physically impossible.
i would love top know how many peeple there have no jobs yet are happy not to work but ponce off the very state they despise?
Not having a job does not equal being happy not to work. And they are not protesting against the state - but against the way the state is screwing with everyone to pay the bankers off.
st pauls to shut there doors for the first time since the second world war? for what?
No-one knows since the protesters did not at any time restrict access to the building, nor did they harass anyone - in fact they welcomed visitors and talked to anyone who came over to ask what was happeneing. They rearranged the camp layout to minimise any disruption. They also took to using the Cathedral cafe to help to boost the income. In fact St Pauls cited good old Health and Safety (the camp was using camping stoves - on stone flags - but a lot of people vbeleive they closed because they weren't making enough money!!!!! Very Christian of them.
still it is probably a nice little jolly up for the peeple going on there autumn holidays camping i suppose. and getting paid for it to by HM government in way of benefits.
It was fecking cold last night, noisy and windy. It isn't a jolly in any physical terms.
how some peeple have got the nerve i do not know. talk about double standards.
A line that simply illustrates the fact the you don't know what the protests are about. Nor the motivations of the protesters.
for the record i beleeve the RBS should have been alowed to collapse like that bank would allowed one of its customers to had one of there customers of been as bad with there money and as irresponsible as the very bank who lent it to them has.
make there own customers bankrupt yet get away with it scott free if you are a bank.
let them go under i would have done and saved the money and started up a bank run by the peeple for the peeple.
Hang on - you DO get it! So you just don't think people should protest against something (the bank bailout by the likes of you and me) even though you are also unhappy about it. That's ok - you are entitled to your opinions and choices of actions - just like the protesters are.
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Why do you assume they are? Since Dale Farm happened at the same time it is physically impossible.

so they cannot get to dale farm and then to st pauls in about two hours then?
sorry but most look a rag and bob tail lot of quite frankly anarchists and marxists hell bent on doing anything against those capitalistic institutions.
sorry not all but a lot of them seam to be that way inclined.
yes it has been cold but am sure with a sing along around the camp fires to keep warm, i am sure they will be fine. wink
look at pictures 2 and 4.

says it all reely. anarchists and peeple with no work in the whole.
yes it is my opinion but are you seriusly telling me all these peeple took time off from there jobs? what reely?:notes:
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sorry but most look a rag and bob tail lot of quite frankly anarchists and marxists hell bent on doing anything against those capitalistic institutions.
sorry not all but a lot of them seam to be that way inclined.
look at pictures 2 and 4.

says it all reely. anarchists and peeple with no work in the whole.
yes it is my opinion but are you seriusly telling me all these peeple took time off from there jobs? what reely?:notes:

Nothing like judging from appearances eh?.....look left what are the political beliefs and work situation of the person in the picture ????
I have to be honest and say I do not fully know the motivation for these protest's.
I do however fully support the right for peaceful protest 100%
The only thing these people have accomplished is to close St Pauls for the first time since the war and stopping pilgrims going in to pray.
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The only thing these people have accomplished is to close St Pauls for the first time since the war and stopping pilgrims going in to pray.

The Dean and Chapter did that - NOT the protesters.
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The only thing these people have accomplished is to close St Pauls for the first time since the war and stopping pilgrims going in to pray.

The Dean and Chapter did that - NOT the protesters.
that is nitpicking.
it was because of the protesters that they shut st pauls for i beleeve health and safety reesons.
NO protesters at st pauls and it would be open, so it is because of them.
a bit of a silly reply if i am honest.:thumbup:
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The only thing these people have accomplished is to close St Pauls for the first time since the war and stopping pilgrims going in to pray.

The Dean and Chapter did that - NOT the protesters.
that is nitpicking.
it was because of the protesters that they shut st pauls for i beleeve health and safety reesons.
NO protesters at st pauls and it would be open, so it is because of them.
a bit of a silly reply if i am honest.:thumbup:
What safety reasons? The gas stoves? If they weren't essentially safe they couldn't be used on crowded campsites. If one went over and burned a tent it wouldn't burn the church - they are on a stone flagged floor. Nowhere near the building itself. Equally the tents are well away from any access to the building - they moved especially. The fire brigade had no concerns - you've heard of the fire-brigade? The experts in fire safety? So just what 'safety concerns' are they on about?
Pilgrims? Please - if St Paul's gave a damn about pilgrims they wouldn't charge an entry fee far more than any museum I have ever been to - for each adult, for children. A family might pay £40 to enter a church ffs.
Mamon is alive and well INSIDE St Paul's. No wonder they want the protesters out - they must be embarrassed.
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What safety reasons? The gas stoves? So just what 'safety concerns' are they on about?

these health and safety reesons.

Health and safety officers had advised that the limited entry and exit points were compromising the cathedral's ability to operate.
"With so many stoves and fires and lots of different types of fuel around, there is a clear fire hazard," the Rt Rev Graeme Knowles, Dean of St Paul's said.
"Then there is the public health aspect, which speaks for itself.
"The dangers relate not just to cathedral staff and visitors but are a potential hazard to those encamped."
makes perfect sense i think.
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What safety reasons? The gas stoves? So just what 'safety concerns' are they on about?

these health and safety reesons.

Health and safety officers had advised that the limited entry and exit points were compromising the cathedral's ability to operate.
"With so many stoves and fires and lots of different types of fuel around, there is a clear fire hazard," the Rt Rev Graeme Knowles, Dean of St Paul's said.
"Then there is the public health aspect, which speaks for itself.
"The dangers relate not just to cathedral staff and visitors but are a potential hazard to those encamped."
makes perfect sense i think.
What a load of bollox that link is. rotflmao:rotflmao::rotflmao:
1) What public health issue? Can anybody give one? Sanitation? Are the protesters shitting all over the floor and leaving it there? Disease?
2) What Health and Safety issues? "All that fuel around"!!!!! lets have a look at a petrol forecourt, you have to stand 3 m from a petrol point..........and that has thousands of litres of petrol. Not a few gas bottles attached to a camping stove.
Before the churches own H&S officer decided it was a risk did they compare against activities that are on-going in everyday workplaces up and down the country? Very doubtful.......looks like they knee-jerked and ran off shouting it is all H&S. I thought Lord Youngs "Common Sense Common Safety" would have made people wake up and smell the coffee.............obviuosly I am wrong and they are still blaming H&S when it is nothing of the sorts.
Dave_Notts
There are laws when camping such as tents and caravans must be a certain distance apart for fire safety and be able to get a fire/rescue vehicle between rows, sorry, cant be bothered to look up what the law says. I presume these must apply outside of campsites?
Unfortunately, I don't trust the source, but if this is true: Then I see no reason why the site isn't cleaned force if necessary.
Their actions has forced the authorities of St. Paul's to decide to close their doors. The protesters are campaigning against the bankers and capitalism (I think, as they don't seem to have a strong message) so why don't they set up their camp at Canary Wharf? Could it be because Canary Wharf is private property, and have security there?
I think if they actually targeted the real villains in this (i.e. the politicians that allowed taxpayers money to support the banks) then the 'protesters' would have more support.
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What safety reasons? The gas stoves? So just what 'safety concerns' are they on about?

these health and safety reesons.

Health and safety officers had advised that the limited entry and exit points were compromising the cathedral's ability to operate.
"With so many stoves and fires and lots of different types of fuel around, there is a clear fire hazard," the Rt Rev Graeme Knowles, Dean of St Paul's said.
"Then there is the public health aspect, which speaks for itself.
"The dangers relate not just to cathedral staff and visitors but are a potential hazard to those encamped."
makes perfect sense i think.
What a load of bollox that link is. rotflmao:rotflmao::rotflmao:
1) What public health issue? Can anybody give one? Sanitation? Are the protesters shitting all over the floor and leaving it there? Disease?
2) What Health and Safety issues? "All that fuel around"!!!!! lets have a look at a petrol forecourt, you have to stand 3 m from a petrol point..........and that has thousands of litres of petrol. Not a few gas bottles attached to a camping stove.
Before the churches own H&S officer decided it was a risk did they compare against activities that are on-going in everyday workplaces up and down the country? Very doubtful.......looks like they knee-jerked and ran off shouting it is all H&S. I thought Lord Youngs "Common Sense Common Safety" would have made people wake up and smell the coffee.............obviuosly I am wrong and they are still blaming H&S when it is nothing of the sorts.
Dave_Notts
I can't be certain Dave, but I rather got the impression here that the H&S issue was more to do with access and egress from St Pauls in the event of an emergency, not so much a concern for of the great unwashed outside.
Whilst on the subject, did anyone see the reports this morning about the thermal imager on the Police Helicopter? It seems that at night, very few of the tents are actually occupied as the protesters make off for somewhere warmer and more comfortable for the night.
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What a load of bollox that link is. rotflmao:rotflmao::rotflmao:

well i am certainly not suprised you think that mr notts actualy.
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Before the churches own H&S officer decided it was a risk did they compare against activities that are on-going in everyday workplaces up and down the country? Very doubtful.......looks like they knee-jerked and ran off shouting it is all H&S. I thought Lord Youngs "Common Sense Common Safety" would have made people wake up and smell the coffee.............obviuosly I am wrong and they are still blaming H&S when it is nothing of the sorts.

can you blame them using health and safety as a reeson mr notts? in todays britain IF a person on there property injured themselves by say tripping over, or someone burning another person or any one of a hundred other things, that there will be many a injury claim/compensation lawyer ready and waiting to blame the peeple who run st pauls of not doing this or that to ensure peeples safety.
i have seen it at football matches where the club is charged for not controling the crowds. eh? how can they control the crowds if those crowds are hell bent on running onto the pitch? impossible.
if someone went into st pauls from the demonstration and left something on the floor and someone else slipped and broke there arm, who would they try and sue mr notts?
it has got a little to do with health and safety and a lot to do with the compensation claims brought about by the introduction of health and safety laws over the past 20 yeers.
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I can't be certain Dave, but I rather got the impression here that the H&S issue was more to do with access and egress from St Pauls in the event of an emergency, not so much a concern for of the great unwashed outside.

that i am sure is another very good reeson why they shut there doors gnv.
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Whilst on the subject, did anyone see the reports this morning about the thermal imager on the Police Helicopter? It seems that at night, very few of the tents are actually occupied as the protesters make off for somewhere warmer and more comfortable for the night.

very few have got the reel bottle gnv for a proper fight. probably went home to the comfort of there 500 thousand pound houses and there jags in the driveway, to have there bacon sarnies sitting in the conservertory looking out onto there lovely manicured gardens. would you actually bet against that?
some peeple would say some anarchists are tomorrows lawyers/doctors/bankers.
Well, now I've heard it all.
One of the great unwashed was asked by SkyNews to comment on the fact that very few of the tents are occupied at night. This bright spark stroked his beard slowly and commented that as many of them would be standing outside their tents at night chatting to each other, the thermal imaging camera wouldn't be able to 'see' them.
Obviously never seen 'Police, Camera, Action' tracking scroats doing a runner after crashing their stolen car.
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Well, now I've heard it all.
One of the great unwashed was asked by SkyNews to comment on the fact that very few of the tents are occupied at night. This bright spark stroked his beard slowly and commented that as many of them would be standing outside their tents at night chatting to each other, the thermal imaging camera wouldn't be able to 'see' them.
Obviously never seen 'Police, Camera, Action' tracking scroats doing a runner after crashing their stolen car.

lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
As I have stated earlier in this thread, I do fully support peaceful protest 100%. I have protested my self on several occasions. Although, I could only afford to go to London and the other venues, do the protest march and home again ready for work on Monday.
I feel now that perhaps this protest may have gone on long enough, as an anti capitalist protest they seam happy to be affecting the income of this cathedral, the cathedral is not a bank or the Government, and it is an old building that requires income for its upkeep.
It is one thing to stop people going about there daily lawful business for a few hours, but when this runs into days I feel this could be unfair.
If they wish to protest about the banks/government then why not take the camp onto the banks, I feel that what they are currently doing will quite quickly alienate them and their cause. Already the talk is not about capitalism but more about the harm they are doing.
let them go and stick there tents ( daylight hours only of course ) outside the bank of England. I think it is in threadneedle street i beleeve.
anti capitalists my arse. i bet they would all take the money given half a chance. :twisted:
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well i am certainly not suprised you think that mr notts actualy.

I am more surprised at you using H&S as a reason.........then believing it.
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can you blame them using health and safety as a reeson mr notts? in todays britain IF a person on there property injured themselves by say tripping over, or someone burning another person or any one of a hundred other things, that there will be many a injury claim/compensation lawyer ready and waiting to blame the peeple who run st pauls of not doing this or that to ensure peeples safety.

Are St Pauls holding the protest? No, therefore no liability to them.
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i have seen it at football matches where the club is charged for not controling the crowds. eh? how can they control the crowds if those crowds are hell bent on running onto the pitch? impossible.

Charged under H&S law? Or FA rules? There is a slight difference here Star, and you are starting to blur the two. They are seperate.
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if someone went into st pauls from the demonstration and left something on the floor and someone else slipped and broke there arm, who would they try and sue mr notts?

The word that is relevant here is "try". Anybody in this country can sue anybody they so wish...........whether they are successful is a different story. In this scenario that you posed, then it would be the person who dropped whatever on the floor that caused the person to slip.
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it has got a little to do with health and safety and a lot to do with the compensation claims brought about by the introduction of health and safety laws over the past 20 yeers.

I agree in part that it is the worry of compensation, but not in the introduction of H&S laws as these have been with us for the past 100+ years. However, allowing lawyers to advertise has only come about within the last 20 years.........now thats a conspiracy theory to think about.
There you go Star, I broke down all you wrote and answered your questions. Would you like to answer mine? Don't think I'll hold my breath
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There are laws when camping such as tents and caravans must be a certain distance apart for fire safety and be able to get a fire/rescue vehicle between rows, sorry, cant be bothered to look up what the law says. I presume these must apply outside of campsites?

There are laws like that Blue, yet the places that are bound to this law are those that are businesses eg campsites, music festivals, permanent travellers sites (oops, I shouldn't mention travellers). If a member of the public done something that caused the death of another then there is already a law in place.........it is called manslaughter
Dave_Notts
mr notts. maybe i shall put you in touch with a friend of a friend who just loves working on health and safety compensation claims..
he says that he makes a mint on peeple who fall over things that have been left laying around. be it on a wet floor in sainsburys ( even though there is a wet floor sign up ) which apparently only alerts a person to a wet floor. slip on that floor and break your arm and you have a right to claim for compensation from the supermarket..
as the logo used to say " where there is blame, there is always a claim ".
we all know that there have been huge payouts for almost everything.
claims are happening every day of the week in our courts and you only have to look at the number of lawyers out there or the telephone calls alerting you to compensation for the accident you had.
you can of course beleeve whatever you like, but the lawyers out there are proof that there is a claim and a gain for everything and health and safety issues have made the situation worse because of the blame/claim culture now.
if anyone wants to take it a bit further to see which one of us tells it how it is, not how they think it is, then look in the yellow pages under claims lawyers. i think you will find there are pages of them. take a little look. :thumbup:
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There are laws when camping such as tents and caravans must be a certain distance apart for fire safety and be able to get a fire/rescue vehicle between rows, sorry, cant be bothered to look up what the law says. I presume these must apply outside of campsites?

There are laws like that Blue, yet the places that are bound to this law are those that are businesses eg campsites, music festivals, permanent travellers sites (oops, I shouldn't mention travellers). If a member of the public done something that caused the death of another then there is already a law in place.........it is called manslaughter
Dave_Notts
That's quite interesting Dave.
Fire can destroy a tent in 60 seconds flat! If one silly person at this site caused a fire, it could well rip through this site, many could be killed (unless it was at night when they went home) and even the property damaged. Would that be manslaughter?
I believe the rules below are a code that professionals abide by rather than any binding laws, just for info
SPACING
3. Every unity should be not less than 6 metres from any other unit in separate family
occupation and not less than 3 metres should be permitted between units in any circumstances.
4. Vehicles and other ancillary equipment should be permitted within the 6 meters space between units in separate family occupation but, in order to restrict the spread of fire, there should always be 3 metres clear space within the 6 metres separation.
5. Emergency vehicles should be able to secure access at all times to within 90 metres
of any unit on the site.
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very few have got the reel bottle gnv for a proper fight. probably went home to the comfort of there 500 thousand pound houses and there jags in the driveway, to have there bacon sarnies sitting in the conservertory looking out onto there lovely manicured gardens. would you actually bet against that?
some peeple would say some anarchists are tomorrows lawyers/doctors/bankers.

From your earlier post.
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do none of these peeple actualy have jobs to go to?
why is it always it seams the same bunch of peeple ether outside st pauls or to be found at dale farm?
i would love top know how many peeple there have no jobs yet are happy not to work but ponce off the very state they despise?

Make your mind up FFS. Either they (in your opinion) are jobless yobs out for a fight OR they are (again in your opinion) over paid executive-types with no willingness to fight.
If you are going to rant against a group of people, your argument falls apart when you accuse them of being both of 2 diamterically opposite demographics.
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Make your mind up FFS. Either they (in your opinion) are jobless yobs out for a fight OR they are (again in your opinion) over paid executive-types with no willingness to fight.
If you are going to rant against a group of people, your argument falls apart when you accuse them of being both of 2 diamterically opposite demographics.

:notes:
Visions of star reaching for the dictionary....
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mr notts. maybe i shall put you in touch with a friend of a friend who just loves working on health and safety compensation claims..
he says that he makes a mint on peeple who fall over things that have been left laying around. be it on a wet floor in sainsburys ( even though there is a wet floor sign up ) which apparently only alerts a person to a wet floor. slip on that floor and break your arm and you have a right to claim for compensation from the supermarket..
as the logo used to say " where there is blame, there is always a claim ".
we all know that there have been huge payouts for almost everything.
claims are happening every day of the week in our courts and you only have to look at the number of lawyers out there or the telephone calls alerting you to compensation for the accident you had.
you can of course beleeve whatever you like, but the lawyers out there are proof that there is a claim and a gain for everything and health and safety issues have made the situation worse because of the blame/claim culture now.
if anyone wants to take it a bit further to see which one of us tells it how it is, not how they think it is, then look in the yellow pages under claims lawyers. i think you will find there are pages of them. take a little look. :thumbup:

The claims that are happening is that claimants put in a claim for under £1000 and the insurance settle out of court. Why do they do this? Quite simple really, most business excess on their insurance is £1000 so the insurance company will settle claims under £1000 and let the business pay for it. The insurance may start fighting it when it goes above this number as it will now start costing them money, but then again it depends on the economics of the claim. Sometimes it costs more to fight and win than pay and lose. Makes good business sense.........thats why your friend of a friend makes a mint. And this is why there are "fall guys" out there who will look for something to fall over and put in a claim. As long as they are not too greedy then it is easy money for them. Your example of a wet floor sign is right, it warns you of the hazard only. To prevent a claim the company should have barriered the area, wet mopped, then dry mopped, then when dry remove the barrier. Simple common sense common safety as advised by Lord Young........you did read that when he he said it is not the law but peoples interpretation of it that is the problem?
However, looking at your example of Sainsburys you are forgetting one very simple concept. The wet floor is due to a work activity, therefore the company has a duty of care. Where is the work activityin people protesting?
Dave_Notts
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That's quite interesting Dave.
Fire can destroy a tent in 60 seconds flat! If one silly person at this site caused a fire, it could well rip through this site, many could be killed (unless it was at night when they went home) and even the property damaged. Would that be manslaughter?
I believe the rules below are a code that professionals abide by rather than any binding laws, just for info
SPACING
3. Every unity should be not less than 6 metres from any other unit in separate family
occupation and not less than 3 metres should be permitted between units in any circumstances.
4. Vehicles and other ancillary equipment should be permitted within the 6 meters space between units in separate family occupation but, in order to restrict the spread of fire, there should always be 3 metres clear space within the 6 metres separation.
5. Emergency vehicles should be able to secure access at all times to within 90 metres
of any unit on the site.

Can't dispute what you have said regarding the fire and how fast it can rip through a camp site.
What I am disputing is that it is not St Pauls camp site. The camp site belongs to the protesters and it is their responsibility.
The overarching legislation for the UK is the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974. For the HSE to take action against the protesters they have to prove that the act of protesting is a work activity and that someone is employed. This is why it can never be for H&S reasons. It is just an excuse.
If it was St Pauls campsite then the HSE could use your document by showing the court that there is prescribed guidance showing a layout of a safe campsite...............but it isn't St Pauls campsite.
If a tragedy happens then it will be the responsibility of the protesters not St Pauls
Public Safety is enforced by the Police and they have powers to deal with situations like this if they believe there is a problem.........I think, but could be wrong, that it is the Civil Contingency Act that they can use. The example where this can be seen in action is when the "Cheese Rolling" was banned for H&S reasons. However it wasn't for H&S reasons. If people want to roll a cheese down a hill then that is up to them, and there is no work activity. The problem arose when some broke bones and had other injuries and the emergency services could not get through. The Police used their powers to force the organisers to keep emergency routes open.......the cheese rolling was never banned.
Dave_Notts
PS the bit you quoted was for caravans and not tents. At camp sites you have a bit of space but most sites have blocks of areas with access running around the length and breadth of the site for emergency vehicles (see photos of any music festival campsite e.g. Glastonbury). Looking at the site, from the photos, then the emergency vehicles can gain access and fight any fire from a number of places. Probably this is why the Police have not used their powers, as there is no problem......but on why they haven't used their powers I am only guessing
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2 diamterically opposite demographics.

:notes:
Visions of star reaching for the dictionary....
I bet I beat him to the dictionary..............because what Foxy wrote looked impressive, but I did not know what the hell she was writing :silly:
Sometimes I wish Foxy and Stags put a hyperlink on their big words for this thick git to look up the definition lol
Dave_Notts