I remember reading once, some where, can not remember where now.
"Why is it only the looser's of a war get tried for war crimes?"
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Quote by Bluefish2009
I remember reading once, some where, can not remember where now.
"Why is it only the looser's of a war get tried for war crimes?"
It has always been that way, to the victors go the spoils of war, they also write the "official" history. Unfortunately for the likes of Tony Blair and G W Bush, the Internet has enabled many different versions to be recorded before during and after every conflict. What makes it worse is that with Btitain and the US facing complete financial ruin, our leaders past and present may not be afforded protection from their accusers for that much longer. They are also running out of allies!
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Why is it that the right wing when confronted with views that challenge thiers always cry Stalin.....Stalin was no more a left wing communist than hitler
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Why is it that the right wing when confronted with views that challenge thiers always cry Stalin.....Stalin was no more a left wing communist than hitler
Stalin not a left wing communist? Rotflmao!
He beat, starved, murdered, and imprisoned any of his own people who disagreed or spoke out against him. He forced his own people to live in squalor while he lived a life of luxury. He only got the job because he had his main opponent murdered. He stole from the rich to give to himself...
I'd say he was the standard bearer for all left wing communists. What Derrick Hatton dreamed of being!
Many of the different versions are rubbish though - you only have to read some of the tosh that gets written here to realise that some people think opinions and facts are the same thing.
By the way, did you ever express an opinion on the way Nick Griffin migrated to am country that isn't his and where he doesn't speak the language for the sake of his family. Hitler was a migrant too, of course.
It has always been that way, to the victors go the spoils of war, they also write the "official" history. Unfortunately for the likes of Tony Blair and G W Bush, the Internet has enabled many different versions to be recorded before during and after every conflict. What makes it worse is that with Btitain and the US facing complete financial ruin, our leaders past and present may not be afforded protection from their accusers for that much longer. They are also running out of allies!
By the way, did you ever express an opinion on the way Nick Griffin migrated to am country that isn't his and where he doesn't speak the language for the sake of his family. Hitler was a migrant too, of course.
Quote by BrightonGeezer
I remember reading once, some where, can not remember where now.
"Why is it only the looser's of a war get tried for war crimes?"
It has always been that way, to the victors go the spoils of war, they also write the "official" history. Unfortunately for the likes of Tony Blair and G W Bush, the Internet has enabled many different versions to be recorded before during and after every conflict. What makes it worse is that with Btitain and the US facing complete financial ruin, our leaders past and present may not be afforded protection from their accusers for that much longer. They are also running out of allies!
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Quote by awayman
Many of the different versions are rubbish though - you only have to read some of the tosh that gets written here to realise that some people think opinions and facts are the same thing.
By the way, did you ever express an opinion on the way Nick Griffin migrated to am country that isn't his and where he doesn't speak the language for the sake of his family. Hitler was a migrant too, of course.
I remember reading once, some where, can not remember where now.
"Why is it only the looser's of a war get tried for war crimes?"
It has always been that way, to the victors go the spoils of war, they also write the "official" history. Unfortunately for the likes of Tony Blair and G W Bush, the Internet has enabled many different versions to be recorded before during and after every conflict. What makes it worse is that with Btitain and the US facing complete financial ruin, our leaders past and present may not be afforded protection from their accusers for that much longer. They are also running out of allies!
Any one see QI tonight?
Quote by awayman
Many of the different versions are rubbish though - you only have to read some of the tosh that gets written here to realise that some people think opinions and facts are the same thing.
By the way, did you ever express an opinion on the way Nick Griffin migrated to am country that isn't his and where he doesn't speak the language for the sake of his family. Hitler was a migrant too, of course.
Dunno whether Griffin has migrated before, although I know he is working on the continent at the moment. Perhaps he'll keep his seat next time they have Euro Elections, but then as far as I am aware he is unlikely to contest the seat if there is no chance of him winning.
And as I've already said, I'm no fan of Hitler. If I'm remembering my humble CSE history correctly he was Austrian, and that some Austrians are of German origin.
I agree about the amount of tosh written here though, a constant source of amusement! :0)
You mean you don't know that Nick Griffin and his family migrated to Wales, even though he isn't Welsh and doesn't speak the language. One rule for him, one rule for others eh?
Dunno whether Griffin has migrated before, although I know he is working on the continent at the moment. Perhaps he'll keep his seat next time they have Euro Elections, but then as far as I am aware he is unlikely to contest the seat if there is no chance of him winning.
And as I've already said, I'm no fan of Hitler. If I'm remembering my humble CSE history correctly he was Austrian, and that some Austrians are of German origin.
I agree about the amount of tosh written here though, a constant source of amusement! :0)
Quote by BrightonGeezer
Many of the different versions are rubbish though - you only have to read some of the tosh that gets written here to realise that some people think opinions and facts are the same thing.
By the way, did you ever express an opinion on the way Nick Griffin migrated to am country that isn't his and where he doesn't speak the language for the sake of his family. Hitler was a migrant too, of course.
Dunno whether Griffin has migrated before, although I know he is working on the continent at the moment. Perhaps he'll keep his seat next time they have Euro Elections, but then as far as I am aware he is unlikely to contest the seat if there is no chance of him winning.
And as I've already said, I'm no fan of Hitler. If I'm remembering my humble CSE history correctly he was Austrian, and that some Austrians are of German origin.
I agree about the amount of tosh written here though, a constant source of amusement! :0)
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
it would be wrong to support anyone responsible for genocice, which makes me wonder why nobody seems to care that the biggest culprit of the twentieth century was Joseph Stalin. Eisenhour could be culpable too, was there really any need to drop two nukes on Japan? As for Churchil, he wanted to drop anthrax bombs on Hamburg and at least one other German city.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Why is it that the right wing when confronted with views that challenge thiers always cry Stalin.....Stalin was no more a left wing communist than hitler
Quote by BrightonGeezer
Stalin not a left wing communist? Rotflmao!
Actually BG, on the hard left we like to think of Uncle Joe as either 'Our Benevolent Leader', or yer actual cult of personality epitome of a repressive, tyrannical, murderous, authoritarian, militaristic, nationalistic, undemocratic, state capitalist, totalitarian regime, in which supreme power is embodied in a single individual ?
Depends which way the wind's blowing really :? Not especially communist either way TBQH. Even yer SWP and RCP types have disowned him. 
He does seem to tick a good number of 'Is Stalin really a fascist' check boxes though? Prolly shouldn't really say this out loud, but sometimes, when we're really pissed off with the fucker, and altogether tired of defending the show trials and the purges and the millions of dead and what have you, we sometimes gather together and whisper phrases like 'You know that Stalin? Bit of a fascist cunt by some defintions of the word, wouldn't you say?', and stuff like that.
It'll probably get us carted off to the gulag at some point? :scared:
Neil x x x ;)
LOL quality rant Neil...
The main reason why most fascists get so worked up at Uncle Joe is because he was a better totalitarian scumbag than their totalitarian scumbags.... They just hated people like Trotsky - Uncle Joe had an icepick that'd make their ears burn (apologies to the Stranglers)
Oddly I was reading about the murders of Durutti and Bob Smillie yesterday - but every time some right wing nut job starts ranting about 1984 I remember which side Orwell was on in Spain...
Did you know it's 66 years since the Daily Mail's notorious 'Hurrha for the Blackshirts' editorial?
Actually BG, on the hard left we like to think of Uncle Joe as either 'Our Benevolent Leader', or yer actual cult of personality epitome of a repressive, tyrannical, murderous, authoritarian, militaristic, nationalistic, undemocratic, state capitalist, totalitarian regime, in which supreme power is embodied in a single individual ? Depends which way the wind's blowing really :? Not especially communist either way TBQH. Even yer SWP and RCP types have disowned him.
He does seem to tick a good number of 'Is Stalin really a fascist' check boxes though? Prolly shouldn't really say this out loud, but sometimes, when we're really pissed off with the fucker, and altogether tired of defending the show trials and the purges and the millions of dead and what have you, we sometimes gather together and whisper phrases like 'You know that Stalin? Bit of a fascist cunt by some defintions of the word, wouldn't you say?', and stuff like that.
It'll probably get us carted off to the gulag at some point? :scared:
Neil x x x ;)
The main reason why most fascists get so worked up at Uncle Joe is because he was a better totalitarian scumbag than their totalitarian scumbags.... They just hated people like Trotsky - Uncle Joe had an icepick that'd make their ears burn (apologies to the Stranglers)
Oddly I was reading about the murders of Durutti and Bob Smillie yesterday - but every time some right wing nut job starts ranting about 1984 I remember which side Orwell was on in Spain...
Did you know it's 66 years since the Daily Mail's notorious 'Hurrha for the Blackshirts' editorial?
Quote by neilinleeds
it would be wrong to support anyone responsible for genocice, which makes me wonder why nobody seems to care that the biggest culprit of the twentieth century was Joseph Stalin. Eisenhour could be culpable too, was there really any need to drop two nukes on Japan? As for Churchil, he wanted to drop anthrax bombs on Hamburg and at least one other German city.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Why is it that the right wing when confronted with views that challenge thiers always cry Stalin.....Stalin was no more a left wing communist than hitler
Quote by BrightonGeezer
Stalin not a left wing communist? Rotflmao!
Actually BG, on the hard left we like to think of Uncle Joe as either 'Our Benevolent Leader', or yer actual cult of personality epitome of a repressive, tyrannical, murderous, authoritarian, militaristic, nationalistic, undemocratic, state capitalist, totalitarian regime, in which supreme power is embodied in a single individual ?
Depends which way the wind's blowing really :? Not especially communist either way TBQH. Even yer SWP and RCP types have disowned him. He does seem to tick a good number of 'Is Stalin really a fascist' check boxes though? Prolly shouldn't really say this out loud, but sometimes, when we're really pissed off with the fucker, and altogether tired of defending the show trials and the purges and the millions of dead and what have you, we sometimes gather together and whisper phrases like 'You know that Stalin? Bit of a fascist cunt by some defintions of the word, wouldn't you say?', and stuff like that.
It'll probably get us carted off to the gulag at some point? :scared:
Neil x x x ;)
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You should have seen what I deleted Awayman. 
There was something about the claim that the systematic, industrialised murder of jews, communists, slavs, trade unionists, gypsies, the mentally and physically disabled, homosexuals, and other untermensch on racial / ideological grounds, yadda, yadda, ya was in some way morally equivalent to the efforts of the allied powers to put an end to the war, but I decided not to bother going down that road. 
Fucksocks! :doh:
A timely reminder of the true appeasers and apologists Awayman.
N x x x ;)
There was something about the claim that the systematic, industrialised murder of jews, communists, slavs, trade unionists, gypsies, the mentally and physically disabled, homosexuals, and other untermensch on racial / ideological grounds, yadda, yadda, ya was in some way morally equivalent to the efforts of the allied powers to put an end to the war, but I decided not to bother going down that road. Fucksocks! :doh:
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Did you know it's 66 years since the Daily Mail's notorious 'Hurrha for the Blackshirts' editorial?
Quote by And the Daily Bleedin' Mail previously
I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents. The most spiteful distracters (((( ?should probably be detractors there really?
They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny.
A timely reminder of the true appeasers and apologists Awayman.
N x x x ;)
This thread is going way off topic, which was predictable especially when the Islamofacist march was banned. So I'll make one more post and leave it here.
Firstly I have no idea what Neil has had to delete, but you won't find me posting in favour of any acts of genocide so whatever it was didn't come from me. On the other hand I detest the left and their lies but don't see them as any kind if a threat, indeed most of my best point and laugh moments have been at the expense of Britains self apointed "cough" class warriors. Contrary to red and state (like there is a difference) fueled popular belief the BNP are not Nazis, they are hardly right wing either if you look at their policies, and most if not all of the ignorant racist knuckle draggers have been kicked out. Calling Griffin an immigrant because he lives in Wales and doesn't speak Welsh is another point and laugh job, most Welsh people don't speak Welsh anymore, and the fact that we are a United Kingdom is a fairly big clue that one doesn't have to migrate when one moves from Suffolk to Welshpool.
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Firstly I have no idea what Neil has had to delete, but you won't find me posting in favour of any acts of genocide so whatever it was didn't come from me. On the other hand I detest the left and their lies but don't see them as any kind if a threat, indeed most of my best point and laugh moments have been at the expense of Britains self apointed "cough" class warriors. Contrary to red and state (like there is a difference) fueled popular belief the BNP are not Nazis, they are hardly right wing either if you look at their policies, and most if not all of the ignorant racist knuckle draggers have been kicked out. Calling Griffin an immigrant because he lives in Wales and doesn't speak Welsh is another point and laugh job, most Welsh people don't speak Welsh anymore, and the fact that we are a United Kingdom is a fairly big clue that one doesn't have to migrate when one moves from Suffolk to Welshpool.
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What about the rights of the indigenous people of Wales Geezer? Nick Griffin isn't Welsh. By the BNPs own standards he doesn't belong there. He's just another white settler buying up a house so that someone local won't be able to find a home in the town where they grew up.
You detest the left. I am of the left. Therefore you despise me. But you don't even know me. Par for the course with the BNP and their supporters. They're better with assumptions and labels than complicated realities.
I know you think you're a bit heavy and all that. It's all cobblers to me. This is the internet, not a pub bar. This isn't the Daily Mail 'polite racism is perfectly normal' forum either. For a forum that's about sex and being ourselves there's a hell of a lot of intolerance coming out from you, in amongst the ignorance, stupidity and apologies for our home grown fascists. Why not find a politics forum for the stuff that annoys you and spare us the disagreements?
You detest the left. I am of the left. Therefore you despise me. But you don't even know me. Par for the course with the BNP and their supporters. They're better with assumptions and labels than complicated realities.
I know you think you're a bit heavy and all that. It's all cobblers to me. This is the internet, not a pub bar. This isn't the Daily Mail 'polite racism is perfectly normal' forum either. For a forum that's about sex and being ourselves there's a hell of a lot of intolerance coming out from you, in amongst the ignorance, stupidity and apologies for our home grown fascists. Why not find a politics forum for the stuff that annoys you and spare us the disagreements?
Quote by BrightonGeezer
This thread is going way off topic, which was predictable especially when the Islamofacist march was banned. So I'll make one more post and leave it here.
Firstly I have no idea what Neil has had to delete, but you won't find me posting in favour of any acts of genocide so whatever it was didn't come from me. On the other hand I detest the left and their lies but don't see them as any kind if a threat, indeed most of my best point and laugh moments have been at the expense of Britains self apointed "cough" class warriors. Contrary to red and state (like there is a difference) fueled popular belief the BNP are not Nazis, they are hardly right wing either if you look at their policies, and most if not all of the ignorant racist knuckle draggers have been kicked out. Calling Griffin an immigrant because he lives in Wales and doesn't speak Welsh is another point and laugh job, most Welsh people don't speak Welsh anymore, and the fact that we are a United Kingdom is a fairly big clue that one doesn't have to migrate when one moves from Suffolk to Welshpool.
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What about the rights of the indigenous people of Wales Geezer? Nick Griffin isn't Welsh. By the BNPs own standards he doesn't belong there. He's just another white settler buying up a house so that someone local won't be able to find a home in the town where they grew up.
You detest the left. I am of the left. Therefore you despise me. But you don't even know me. Par for the course with the BNP and their supporters. They're better with assumptions and labels than complicated realities.
I know you think you're a bit heavy and all that. It's all cobblers to me. This is the internet, not a pub bar. This isn't the Daily Mail 'polite racism is perfectly normal' forum either. For a forum that's about sex and being ourselves there's a hell of a lot of intolerance coming out from you, in amongst the ignorance, stupidity and apologies for our home grown fascists. Why not find a politics forum for the stuff that annoys you and spare us the disagreements?
snip.............
So people should only post content that's in accordance with your views in order to save disagreements? Seems to me that you are being as intolerant as the those that you accuse. If YOU don't like what's posted in here, why don't YOU find somewhere else?
As for this being a sex forum, I think you will find that only a very small percentage of threads are sexually orientated, even in the cafe.
Have a look to see what this section of the Forum is entitled.
Quote by neilinleeds
You should have seen what I deleted Awayman.
Fucksocks! :doh:
Did you know it's 66 years since the Daily Mail's notorious 'Hurrha for the Blackshirts' editorial?
Quote by And the Daily Bleedin' Mail previously
I urge all British young men and women to study closely the progress of the Nazi regime in Germany. They must not be misled by the misrepresentations of its opponents. The most spiteful distracters (((( ?
They have started a clamorous campaign of denunciation against what they call "Nazi atrocities" which, as anyone who visits Germany quickly discovers for himself, consists merely of a few isolated acts of violence such as are inevitable among a nation half as big again as ours, but which have been generalized, multiplied and exaggerated to give the impression that Nazi rule is a bloodthirsty tyranny.
A timely reminder of the true appeasers and apologists Awayman.
N x x x ;)
I think you just did !
Nah Max, I just think it's bollocks arguing about it here.
There's a time and a pace for everything. We've had all sorts of cobblers on here about EDL this and BNP that and how some heavy geezers might go to Wootton Bassett.
I don't believe in unhindered freedom of speech. I'd be a liar to say otherwise. Sometimes the state should step in, and some times we should all exercise restraint. Rather than see this forum be torn up by pointless, rancorous debate which could be more fully followed through elsewhere, I'm suggesting some people take a step away from the keyboard before they say they despise me.
So people should only post content that's in accordance with your views in order to save disagreements? Seems to me that you are being as intolerant as the those that you accuse. If YOU don't like what's posted in here, why don't YOU find somewhere else?
As for this being a sex forum, I think you will find that only a very small percentage of threads are sexually orientated, even in the cafe.
Have a look to see what this section of the Forum is entitled.
There's a time and a pace for everything. We've had all sorts of cobblers on here about EDL this and BNP that and how some heavy geezers might go to Wootton Bassett.
I don't believe in unhindered freedom of speech. I'd be a liar to say otherwise. Sometimes the state should step in, and some times we should all exercise restraint. Rather than see this forum be torn up by pointless, rancorous debate which could be more fully followed through elsewhere, I'm suggesting some people take a step away from the keyboard before they say they despise me.
Quote by Max777
What about the rights of the indigenous people of Wales Geezer? Nick Griffin isn't Welsh. By the BNPs own standards he doesn't belong there. He's just another white settler buying up a house so that someone local won't be able to find a home in the town where they grew up.
You detest the left. I am of the left. Therefore you despise me. But you don't even know me. Par for the course with the BNP and their supporters. They're better with assumptions and labels than complicated realities.
I know you think you're a bit heavy and all that. It's all cobblers to me. This is the internet, not a pub bar. This isn't the Daily Mail 'polite racism is perfectly normal' forum either. For a forum that's about sex and being ourselves there's a hell of a lot of intolerance coming out from you, in amongst the ignorance, stupidity and apologies for our home grown fascists. Why not find a politics forum for the stuff that annoys you and spare us the disagreements?
snip.............
So people should only post content that's in accordance with your views in order to save disagreements? Seems to me that you are being as intolerant as the those that you accuse. If YOU don't like what's posted in here, why don't YOU find somewhere else?
As for this being a sex forum, I think you will find that only a very small percentage of threads are sexually orientated, even in the cafe.
Have a look to see what this section of the Forum is entitled.
Quote by awayman
Nah Max, I just think it's bollocks arguing about it here.
There's a time and a pace for everything. We've had all sorts of cobblers on here about EDL this and BNP that and how some heavy geezers might go to Wootton Bassett.
I don't believe in unhindered freedom of speech. I'd be a liar to say otherwise. Sometimes the state should step in, and some times we should all exercise restraint. Rather than see this forum be torn up by pointless, rancorous debate which could be more fully followed through elsewhere, I'm suggesting some people take a step away from the keyboard before they say they despise me.
I have just reread the post to which you refer and poster actually says that he "detests the left and their lies", at no point did he say he despised you.
Quote by Max777
Nah Max, I just think it's bollocks arguing about it here.
There's a time and a pace for everything. We've had all sorts of cobblers on here about EDL this and BNP that and how some heavy geezers might go to Wootton Bassett.
I don't believe in unhindered freedom of speech. I'd be a liar to say otherwise. Sometimes the state should step in, and some times we should all exercise restraint. Rather than see this forum be torn up by pointless, rancorous debate which could be more fully followed through elsewhere, I'm suggesting some people take a step away from the keyboard before they say they despise me.
I have just reread the post to which you refer and poster actually says that he "detests the left and their lies", at no point did he say he despised you.
You gotto laugh Max, besides it's a lovely sun shiny day outside :0)
Quote by awayman
Nah Max, I just think it's bollocks arguing about it here.
There's a time and a pace for everything. We've had all sorts of cobblers on here about EDL this and BNP that and how some heavy geezers might go to Wootton Bassett.
I don't believe in unhindered freedom of speech. I'd be a liar to say otherwise. Sometimes the state should step in, and some times we should all exercise restraint. Rather than see this forum be torn up by pointless, rancorous debate which could be more fully followed through elsewhere, I'm suggesting some people take a step away from the keyboard before they say they despise me.
What about the rights of the indigenous people of Wales Geezer? Nick Griffin isn't Welsh. By the BNPs own standards he doesn't belong there. He's just another white settler buying up a house so that someone local won't be able to find a home in the town where they grew up.
You detest the left. I am of the left. Therefore you despise me. But you don't even know me. Par for the course with the BNP and their supporters. They're better with assumptions and labels than complicated realities.
I know you think you're a bit heavy and all that. It's all cobblers to me. This is the internet, not a pub bar. This isn't the Daily Mail 'polite racism is perfectly normal' forum either. For a forum that's about sex and being ourselves there's a hell of a lot of intolerance coming out from you, in amongst the ignorance, stupidity and apologies for our home grown fascists. Why not find a politics forum for the stuff that annoys you and spare us the disagreements?
snip.............
So people should only post content that's in accordance with your views in order to save disagreements? Seems to me that you are being as intolerant as the those that you accuse. If YOU don't like what's posted in here, why don't YOU find somewhere else?
As for this being a sex forum, I think you will find that only a very small percentage of threads are sexually orientated, even in the cafe.
Have a look to see what this section of the Forum is entitled.
I despise people who press the quote button and make their posting before the quoted text :shock:
