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Quote by Bluefish2009
Why is it that the people who believe the troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for our freedom,see no irony in then attempting to curtail this freedom for others? Is it a:hypocrisy? b:Idiocy?or c:both?

I think there may be a problem with the sense of proportion here. The rights of women to live in freedom in Afghanistan, and for girls to be educated there without risk of being murdered, are considerably more important than the right of some failed student union tosspot to make a nuisance of himself in public. The rights of nations to regulate rogue states that won't obey international law or oppose terrorism are slightly more important than the right of tossers who don't ever actually do what they threaten to cause alarm and distress via the febrile and hysterical media.
Oh I see, our freedom,s apply to different people in different quantities
Yup...
It's a very pragmatic, utilitarian world view. Different situations (not people) demand a different response. If some tosser wants to run his mouth in the student union bar, who cares? If he wants to run his mouth in the middle of Wootton Basset, offending thousands, and risking public disorder, we probably should care.
Or to put it another way, if I get my cock out and have a wank in my own bedroom while watching the lovely ladies of SH, who cares? If I do it in front of the walking bus on the way to the local primary school, we should care.
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by awayman
Why is it that the people who believe the troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for our freedom,see no irony in then attempting to curtail this freedom for others? Is it a:hypocrisy? b:Idiocy?or c:both?

I think there may be a problem with the sense of proportion here. The rights of women to live in freedom in Afghanistan, and for girls to be educated there without risk of being murdered, are considerably more important than the right of some failed student union tosspot to make a nuisance of himself in public. The rights of nations to regulate rogue states that won't obey international law or oppose terrorism are slightly more important than the right of tossers who don't ever actually do what they threaten to cause alarm and distress via the febrile and hysterical media.
Oh I see, our freedom,s apply to different people in different quantities
Yup...
It's a very pragmatic, utilitarian world view. Different situations (not people) demand a different response. If some tosser wants to run his mouth in the student union bar, who cares? If he wants to run his mouth in the middle of Wootton Basset, offending thousands, and risking public disorder, we probably should care.
Or to put it another way, if I get my cock out and have a wank in my own bedroom while watching the lovely ladies of SH, who cares? If I do it in front of the walking bus on the way to the local primary school, we should care.
If you get your cock out in front of the bus, your are breaking the law, if you march at an organised protest you are not breaking any law
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Quote by Bluefish2009
Why is it that the people who believe the troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for our freedom,see no irony in then attempting to curtail this freedom for others? Is it a:hypocrisy? b:Idiocy?or c:both?

I think there may be a problem with the sense of proportion here. The rights of women to live in freedom in Afghanistan, and for girls to be educated there without risk of being murdered, are considerably more important than the right of some failed student union tosspot to make a nuisance of himself in public. The rights of nations to regulate rogue states that won't obey international law or oppose terrorism are slightly more important than the right of tossers who don't ever actually do what they threaten to cause alarm and distress via the febrile and hysterical media.
Oh I see, our freedom,s apply to different people in different quantities
Yup...
It's a very pragmatic, utilitarian world view. Different situations (not people) demand a different response. If some tosser wants to run his mouth in the student union bar, who cares? If he wants to run his mouth in the middle of Wootton Basset, offending thousands, and risking public disorder, we probably should care.
Or to put it another way, if I get my cock out and have a wank in my own bedroom while watching the lovely ladies of SH, who cares? If I do it in front of the walking bus on the way to the local primary school, we should care.
If you get your cock out in front of the bus, your are breaking the law, if you march at an organised protest you are not breaking any law
Only if the protest has been approved in advance. Protest and provocation are close together in the dictionary, but they're different.
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Agreed, but like I tell my children, stick and stones....
Staggerlee_BB
Sex God
I have no problem with my sense of proportion...I have a problem with anyone trying to limit the right of me and my fellow country men to protest...I am perfectly au fait with the horrendous treatment dealt out to women the world over under the guise of sharia law..I have a problem with this suddenly becoming the reason for our prescence in Afghanistan if this is the case why are we not invading Iran,Saudi,Palestine,or any number of other muslim states?
I am no supporter of this march BUT I struggle with the idea of banning anything because it offends the sensibilities of some people,I'm not offended by it, but dissapointed that rather than try to put (a valid in my opinion)point of view across in a reasoned manner the organisers have opted for cheap the less the right to protest should not be limited by the views of the protesters.
As I implied earlier if our forces are fighting for freedom then using them as an excuse to limit freedom at home is if nothing else the height of hypocrisy.
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I have no problem with my sense of proportion...I have a problem with anyone trying to limit the right of me and my fellow country men to protest...I am perfectly au fait with the horrendous treatment dealt out to women the world over under the guise of sharia law..I have a problem with this suddenly becoming the reason for our prescence in Afghanistan if this is the case why are we not invading Iran,Saudi,Palestine,or any number of other muslim states?
I am no supporter of this march BUT I struggle with the idea of banning anything because it offends the sensibilities of some people,I'm not offended by it, but dissapointed that rather than try to put (a valid in my opinion)point of view across in a reasoned manner the organisers have opted for cheap the less the right to protest should not be limited by the views of the protesters.
As I implied earlier if our forces are fighting for freedom then using them as an excuse to limit freedom at home is if nothing else the height of hypocrisy.

I understand your point of view, but it has a few problems.
We never have had an unrestricted right to protest in the UK - not since the Diggers and the Levellers came to a sticky end. Either formally or informally the state has restricted that right ever since. So I'm not sure your logic hangs together as well as you think it does, especially since the current legal regime pre-dates the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
As for why the government started with Iraq and Afghanistan, ask them, not me, but I'd guess they'd argue that they were the two most pressing problems,and the two problems least likely to respond to diplomacy.
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What a lovely debate thank you.
I dont think the march in wooton basset is a brilliant idea and I dont think a counter march would be terribly productive.
I do think that proposing such a march has worked to some extent in raising awareness of the number of non combatant victims, but on the downside we have seen an anti march frenzy that plays into the hands of the anti moslem agitators.
I just don't want to see extermist wankers petrol bombing each other when the rest of us, the vast majority,, who believe in free speech and the right to peaceful protest, look on. The awareness has been raised, let us not use this as an excuse to further curtail protest or incite hate or give the media food for furthering their agendas.
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Quote by awayman
Why is it that the people who believe the troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for our freedom,see no irony in then attempting to curtail this freedom for others? Is it a:hypocrisy? b:Idiocy?or c:both?

I think there may be a problem with the sense of proportion here. The rights of women to live in freedom in Afghanistan, and for girls to be educated there without risk of being murdered, are considerably more important than the right of some failed student union tosspot to make a nuisance of himself in public. The rights of nations to regulate rogue states that won't obey international law or oppose terrorism are slightly more important than the right of tossers who don't ever actually do what they threaten to cause alarm and distress via the febrile and hysterical media.
Oh I see, our freedom,s apply to different people in different quantities
Yup...
It's a very pragmatic, utilitarian world view. Different situations (not people) demand a different response. If some tosser wants to run his mouth in the student union bar, who cares? If he wants to run his mouth in the middle of Wootton Basset, offending thousands, and risking public disorder, we probably should care.
Or to put it another way, if I get my cock out and have a wank in my own bedroom while watching the lovely ladies of SH, who cares? If I do it in front of the walking bus on the way to the local primary school, we should care.
If you get your cock out in front of the bus, your are breaking the law, if you march at an organised protest you are not breaking any law
Only if the protest has been approved in advance. Protest and provocation are close together in the dictionary, but they're different.
I have organised counter demos etc in the past, and if I remember correctly you have to square things with the local authorities first if you wish to demonstrate, a march is different, unless of course you are going to block the road. This does not apply to a counter demonstration, the only thing you need for one of those is a designated area from the police.
Anyone can demonstrate on Hyde Park Corner in London, but it is fairly pointless as those watching the demos are mainly regulars and critics.
That is my experience anyway, the letter of the law might be different. Anyone who has been an activist of any kind will know that the filth deal with these things at their own convenience.
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Quote by Dave__Notts

If it kicks off then so be it, some things are worth fighting for.

IMO wrong. Violence is never the answer when there are other alternatives.
Dave_Notts
This march is going to be organised to go ahead in this town as an act of blatant provocation. Violence is no doubt the language these people are likely to understand. All kinds of dialogue, negotiation and even condemnation have failed. So the want to fight? God help the first one that aproaches me.
What really does puzzel me is why on the run up to a general election would they be so stupid? Any public sympathy they have will be gone, and just in time too.
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Quote by BrightonGeezer

If it kicks off then so be it, some things are worth fighting for.

IMO wrong. Violence is never the answer when there are other alternatives.
Dave_Notts
This march is going to be organised to go ahead in this town as an act of blatant provocation. Violence is no doubt the language these people are likely to understand. All kinds of dialogue, negotiation and even condemnation have failed. So the want to fight? God help the first one that aproaches me.
What really does puzzel me is why on the run up to a general election would they be so stupid? Any public sympathy they have will be gone, and just in time too.
A touch of perspective would help.
They don't give a toss what you think, or about a general election. They're in a pissing contest for the leadership of radical muslim opinion on the UK. As part of that they want to be able to appear as louder and more radical than the rest, and will relish a violent confrontation that proves how seriously people take them.
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Quote by awayman

If it kicks off then so be it, some things are worth fighting for.

IMO wrong. Violence is never the answer when there are other alternatives.
Dave_Notts
This march is going to be organised to go ahead in this town as an act of blatant provocation. Violence is no doubt the language these people are likely to understand. All kinds of dialogue, negotiation and even condemnation have failed. So the want to fight? God help the first one that aproaches me.
What really does puzzel me is why on the run up to a general election would they be so stupid? Any public sympathy they have will be gone, and just in time too.
A touch of perspective would help.
They don't give a toss what you think, or about a general election. They're in a pissing contest for the leadership of radical muslim opinion on the UK. As part of that they want to be able to appear as louder and more radical than the rest, and will relish a violent confrontation that proves how seriously people take them.
Here is a little perspective, outside of here I haven't made any kind of public domain comment about this march or the counter protest that will ensue. I can only voice my own opinion and intention here, although official statements have been made by various bodies, and those are public domain if you know where to look.
I won't post links here that might offend other members, as I believe I'm entitled to my opinion but linking to these groups would be insulting and offencive to some here.
I know that the EDL and Casuals United are going to be there, that goes without being said, however the numbers being mentioned are far greater than normal and the firms involved are from all over the UK. The BNP are organising, with Griffin, Brons, and Barnbrook vowing to stand in the middle of the road on order to halt the march, they will also be bringing party members and supporters. The National Front has re formed, and after staging a rememberence Sunday march in London which saw over 300 of them turn up, they are confident that they will bring a lot of activists on the day too. There are a few Biker Groups talking about going, some are turning up there every day, just to make sure this doesn't go ahead unanounced and unopposed. Also despite the usual murmering of the British Legion, there are lots of other veteran groups and they are enraged and they will be there.
None of these groups like each other and have fought against each other over the years, but a truce has been called, and lets face it, if Millwall and Cardiff can get along anyone can.
You say the Islamists will relish a fight, they might be looking forward to the seven virgins. For want of a better word I think they will be Mullahed!!
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Quote by BrightonGeezer

If it kicks off then so be it, some things are worth fighting for.

IMO wrong. Violence is never the answer when there are other alternatives.
Dave_Notts
This march is going to be organised to go ahead in this town as an act of blatant provocation. Violence is no doubt the language these people are likely to understand. All kinds of dialogue, negotiation and even condemnation have failed. So the want to fight? God help the first one that aproaches me.
What really does puzzel me is why on the run up to a general election would they be so stupid? Any public sympathy they have will be gone, and just in time too.
A touch of perspective would help.
They don't give a toss what you think, or about a general election. They're in a pissing contest for the leadership of radical muslim opinion on the UK. As part of that they want to be able to appear as louder and more radical than the rest, and will relish a violent confrontation that proves how seriously people take them.
Here is a little perspective, outside of here I haven't made any kind of public domain comment about this march or the counter protest that will ensue. I can only voice my own opinion and intention here, although official statements have been made by various bodies, and those are public domain if you know where to look.
I won't post links here that might offend other members, as I believe I'm entitled to my opinion but linking to these groups would be insulting and offencive to some here.
I know that the EDL and Casuals United are going to be there, that goes without being said, however the numbers being mentioned are far greater than normal and the firms involved are from all over the UK. The BNP are organising, with Griffin, Brons, and Barnbrook vowing to stand in the middle of the road on order to halt the march, they will also be bringing party members and supporters. The National Front has re formed, and after staging a rememberence Sunday march in London which saw over 300 of them turn up, they are confident that they will bring a lot of activists on the day too. There are a few Biker Groups talking about going, some are turning up there every day, just to make sure this doesn't go ahead unanounced and unopposed. Also despite the usual murmering of the British Legion, there are lots of other veteran groups and they are enraged and they will be there.
None of these groups like each other and have fought against each other over the years, but a truce has been called, and lets face it, if Millwall and Cardiff can get along anyone can.
You say the Islamists will relish a fight, they might be looking forward to the seven virgins. For want of a better word I think they will be Mullahed!!
Ok, shall I show my colours? I wouldn't piss on the likes of Griffin if he was burning.
I'm not impressed by the talk of Casuals this and EDL that.
I've heard it all before, and seen it all before.
Staging a pitched battle over Anjem Choudry is like claiming you've won world war two because you beat up the Hitler Youth. There isn't anywhere to be, because Choudry's mission is already accomplished.
Every time the BNP / NF have tried to stage a street event in the last forty years they've sheltered behind the police or been run. Picking a fight with a student union tosspot like Choudry is about Griffin's measure. Griffin will run his mouth about this now because he knows it won't happen either - it's a perfect situation for extremist tossers who don't want to actually do anything.
If it does happen (it won't) I wish you luck, and hope you don't get hurt, but my bet is you'll not get within five miles of them.
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Quote by awayman

If it kicks off then so be it, some things are worth fighting for.

IMO wrong. Violence is never the answer when there are other alternatives.
Dave_Notts
This march is going to be organised to go ahead in this town as an act of blatant provocation. Violence is no doubt the language these people are likely to understand. All kinds of dialogue, negotiation and even condemnation have failed. So the want to fight? God help the first one that aproaches me.
What really does puzzel me is why on the run up to a general election would they be so stupid? Any public sympathy they have will be gone, and just in time too.
A touch of perspective would help.
They don't give a toss what you think, or about a general election. They're in a pissing contest for the leadership of radical muslim opinion on the UK. As part of that they want to be able to appear as louder and more radical than the rest, and will relish a violent confrontation that proves how seriously people take them.
Here is a little perspective, outside of here I haven't made any kind of public domain comment about this march or the counter protest that will ensue. I can only voice my own opinion and intention here, although official statements have been made by various bodies, and those are public domain if you know where to look.
I won't post links here that might offend other members, as I believe I'm entitled to my opinion but linking to these groups would be insulting and offencive to some here.
I know that the EDL and Casuals United are going to be there, that goes without being said, however the numbers being mentioned are far greater than normal and the firms involved are from all over the UK. The BNP are organising, with Griffin, Brons, and Barnbrook vowing to stand in the middle of the road on order to halt the march, they will also be bringing party members and supporters. The National Front has re formed, and after staging a rememberence Sunday march in London which saw over 300 of them turn up, they are confident that they will bring a lot of activists on the day too. There are a few Biker Groups talking about going, some are turning up there every day, just to make sure this doesn't go ahead unanounced and unopposed. Also despite the usual murmering of the British Legion, there are lots of other veteran groups and they are enraged and they will be there.
None of these groups like each other and have fought against each other over the years, but a truce has been called, and lets face it, if Millwall and Cardiff can get along anyone can.
You say the Islamists will relish a fight, they might be looking forward to the seven virgins. For want of a better word I think they will be Mullahed!!
Ok, shall I show my colours? I wouldn't piss on the likes of Griffin if he was burning.
I'm not impressed by the talk of Casuals this and EDL that.
I've heard it all before, and seen it all before.
Staging a pitched battle over Anjem Choudry is like claiming you've won world war two because you beat up the Hitler Youth. There isn't anywhere to be, because Choudry's mission is already accomplished.
Every time the BNP / NF have tried to stage a street event in the last forty years they've sheltered behind the police or been run. Picking a fight with a student union tosspot like Choudry is about Griffin's measure. Griffin will run his mouth about this now because he knows it won't happen either - it's a perfect situation for extremist tossers who don't want to actually do anything.
If it does happen (it won't) I wish you luck, and hope you don't get hurt, but my bet is you'll not get within five miles of them.
You might be right, and a part of me hopes you are. Normally I wouldn't dream of showing my face at something like this, well not in the last twenty-odd years anyway.I won't be getting my picture taken standing among any of the people you mention above, that is a surefire way to lose ones job, credentials, and in some cases circle of friends.
Best case scenario is he calls it off completely, or at least does it elsewhere.
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As I thought.... a publicity stunt and nothing else!
gulsonroad30664
Orgasminator
Quote by kentswingers777
As I thought.... a publicity stunt and nothing else!
correct again kenty....it was always a state provocation
Unknown User
I heard plenty of gossip from a Swindon Town fan I know who was there on the day. It seems there was a few coaches heading towards Wootton Basset from London full of Islam4UK members and supporters, my mate was with the EDL crowd most of whom were by then starting to gather in the pubs in around the town. The coaches were not allowed to enter the town and Choudrey himself was taken away by police, don't know if they actually arrested him. Everything was over and done with when a fairly large group of National Front turned up.
I'm glad I wasn't there, but indifferent as to whether I am glad they stopped the coaches. My anger towards those fanatics at their plan to march through that town hasn't disipated just because they were stopped. On the other hand it would have been a bloodbath and Choudrey would be able to play the victim card.
The police have also stated that Islam4UK had not applied to march, and you have to square these things with them. For a march you have to agree every bit of the route and everything. So it really was a publicity stunt!
Unknown User
Lets be fair Brighton it was NEVER going to go ahead...the public outcry over this was exactly the same public outcry, that meant the likes of Myra Hindly would never be released.
On occasion the public voice is listened too.
It also looks like this group will be banned under the terrorism act.
Can you just imagine what would happen in the USA IF something similar was talked about happening say outside of where the twin towers were?
The Americans would have acted straight away and not like our politicians, and remained silent for fear of upsetting anyone.
On this occasion whilst I agree with free speech, this was only ever intended to cause offence. The mere thought of this guy sending out letters to the families of lost loved ones, shows how evil they are.
The day they are banned is a serious step in the right direction....now all they have to do is find him a job......( somewhere other than the uk ).
GnV
Sex God
WB kent... missed ya! :thumbup:
GnV
Sex God
It just goes on and on..

Now, as I understand it, the Guardian haven't fully reported this trial. It has emerged that the five defendants refused to stand in Court for the judge, amongst other things, and showed total disrespect for the British judicial system.
Let you or me try to pull such a stunt and see where it gets you! A few nights at Her Majesty's pleasure in the cells no doubt for Contempt of Court to focus one's attention without any doubt!
But why are these idiots allowed to get away with it? WTF is going on and why hasn't Jack (man of) Straw sacked the Judge?
If Nick Griffin makes any ground at the next election, you can blame it on weak livered Labour pandering to Muslim extreme influence.
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Quote by GnV
WB kent... missed ya! :thumbup:

Ty GNV.
Well it seems this Islam4uk will be banned from Thursday by the Home Secretary.
It will be illegal to be a member of it, or any association with it.
I remember Griffin having two full trials, over a BBC documentary with regard to his comments when he was secretly being filmed, which the courts said were promoting racial hatred. Yes he was acquitted but he still had to face two trials.
I cannot see any difference between him and Anjam Choudary, in that they both were doing the same thing.
So my question is....why was only one person arrested and sent to trial?
Surely the law should apply to both...or are there hidden agendas abound?
Unknown User
Quote by GnV
It just goes on and on..

Now, as I understand it, the Guardian haven't fully reported this trial. It has emerged that the five defendants refused to stand in Court for the judge, amongst other things, and showed total disrespect for the British judicial system.
Let you or me try to pull such a stunt and see where it gets you! A few nights at Her Majesty's pleasure in the cells no doubt for Contempt of Court to focus one's attention without any doubt!
But why are these idiots allowed to get away with it? WTF is going on and why hasn't Jack (man of) Straw sacked the Judge?
If Nick Griffin makes any ground at the next election, you can blame it on weak livered Labour pandering to Muslim extreme influence.

help m,e out here. The newspaper report you quote doesn't stand up the claims you've made, so where are you getting your information? There is report in that well known bastion of Naziism, sorry, right wing idiocy, the Daily Mail, that suggests some of the things you claim, but so what? Wannabe martyrs from the students union school of politics pull these sorts of stunts,and achieve nothing. They've had their day in court, and five of them have been convicted.
GnV
Sex God
Quote by awayman
It just goes on and on..

Now, as I understand it, the Guardian haven't fully reported this trial. It has emerged that the five defendants refused to stand in Court for the judge, amongst other things, and showed total disrespect for the British judicial system.
Let you or me try to pull such a stunt and see where it gets you! A few nights at Her Majesty's pleasure in the cells no doubt for Contempt of Court to focus one's attention without any doubt!
But why are these idiots allowed to get away with it? WTF is going on and why hasn't Jack (man of) Straw sacked the Judge?
If Nick Griffin makes any ground at the next election, you can blame it on weak livered Labour pandering to Muslim extreme influence.

help m,e out here. The newspaper report you quote doesn't stand up the claims you've made, so where are you getting your information? There is report in that well known bastion of Naziism, sorry, right wing idiocy, the Daily Mail, that suggests some of the things you claim, but so what? Wannabe martyrs from the students union school of politics pull these sorts of stunts,and achieve nothing. They've had their day in court, and five of them have been convicted.
It was from John Gaunt during the newspaper review on SkyNews this morning.
Dave__Notts
Sex God
Quote by GnV
It just goes on and on..

Now, as I understand it, the Guardian haven't fully reported this trial. It has emerged that the five defendants refused to stand in Court for the judge, amongst other things, and showed total disrespect for the British judicial system.
Let you or me try to pull such a stunt and see where it gets you! A few nights at Her Majesty's pleasure in the cells no doubt for Contempt of Court to focus one's attention without any doubt!
But why are these idiots allowed to get away with it? WTF is going on and why hasn't Jack (man of) Straw sacked the Judge?
If Nick Griffin makes any ground at the next election, you can blame it on weak livered Labour pandering to Muslim extreme influence.

help m,e out here. The newspaper report you quote doesn't stand up the claims you've made, so where are you getting your information? There is report in that well known bastion of Naziism, sorry, right wing idiocy, the Daily Mail, that suggests some of the things you claim, but so what? Wannabe martyrs from the students union school of politics pull these sorts of stunts,and achieve nothing. They've had their day in court, and five of them have been convicted.
It was from John Gaunt during the newspaper review on SkyNews this morning.
When entering a court it is common practice to stand when a judge enters, but it is not contempt of court if people do not as it is just a tradition. The reason the defendants gave is that they only stand for Allah. The judge accepted it and let it pass in respect for their religion.
When the trial started the judge reminded the defendants that they have to stand when being addressed by the court. Guess what? The defendants did, in respect of the law. If they did not have the respect of the law then they would have remained seated and faced the contempt charge. Since they didn't.........in my eyes they are not very good at extremism.....in fact it smacks of university hype from the student union and when it comes to making the decision to stand.......they buckled and made themselves look like little boys.
So in the first part it was not contempt but in the second it would be. So where was the contempt? Both parties had to relax their own cutoms to accomodate each others religious and secular beliefs i.e. those of the judge and those of the defendants.
Once again Gaunty gives a little info and jumps up and down. If he is a journalist then perhaps he should report the full story not just the bits that will cause outrage.
Dave_Notts
Unknown User
Quote by GnV
It just goes on and on..

Now, as I understand it, the Guardian haven't fully reported this trial. It has emerged that the five defendants refused to stand in Court for the judge, amongst other things, and showed total disrespect for the British judicial system.
Let you or me try to pull such a stunt and see where it gets you! A few nights at Her Majesty's pleasure in the cells no doubt for Contempt of Court to focus one's attention without any doubt!
But why are these idiots allowed to get away with it? WTF is going on and why hasn't Jack (man of) Straw sacked the Judge?
If Nick Griffin makes any ground at the next election, you can blame it on weak livered Labour pandering to Muslim extreme influence.

help m,e out here. The newspaper report you quote doesn't stand up the claims you've made, so where are you getting your information? There is report in that well known bastion of Naziism, sorry, right wing idiocy, the Daily Mail, that suggests some of the things you claim, but so what? Wannabe martyrs from the students union school of politics pull these sorts of stunts,and achieve nothing. They've had their day in court, and five of them have been convicted.
It was from John Gaunt during the newspaper review on SkyNews this morning.
Ah well.... That makes it absolutely true no matter what the facts then.
Unknown User
"None as blind as those that don't want to see ".
A famous saying.
Unknown User
I have searched and searched and can find no source to verify Gaunt's allegations. But then that is the problem with unsubstantiated media allegations, there doesn't need to be any evidence, the gullible and like minded pick it up and run with it and the libelled have no right to reply or recourse other than a legal system they cant afford.
Unknown User
I love the way that everytime something like this is discussed some p•••k starts going on about Nazis, even more so when the words "right wing" are added to the mix. Sorry to disapoint, but the Nazis were socialists with policies that were much more left wing than right. They would have been even more left wing too had it not been for the night of the long knives. Ernst Rohm, Greggor and Otto Strasser were big players before then, Rohm and one of the Strassers was killed that night, with the other Strasser legging it.
I don't do Wikki links, just remember this from way back. I think ER and at least one of the Srassers were gay too.
How would you guys cope without my amazingly relevant historical facts, huh? Lol
Unknown User
Quote by BrightonGeezer
I love the way that everytime something like this is discussed some p•••k starts going on about Nazis, even more so when the words "right wing" are added to the mix. Sorry to disapoint, but the Nazis were socialists with policies that were much more left wing than right. They would have been even more left wing too had it not been for the night of the long knives. Ernst Rohm, Greggor and Otto Strasser were big players before then, Rohm and one of the Strassers was killed that night, with the other Strasser legging it.
I don't do Wikki links, just remember this from way back. I think ER and at least one of the Srassers were gay too.
How would you guys cope without my amazingly relevant historical facts, huh? Lol

We'd be better informed than we are with them...
There is nothing even remotely left wing about mass murder, homophobia, anti semitism and the kind of toadying to corporate Germany that was the Nazi Party's stock in trade. The dispute between Rohm and his faction and the mainstream Nazi Party was about how much they should toady to corporate Germany, with Rohm's anti industrial fantasy of a return to pre industrial Germany being given short shrift by the Nazi paymasters.
As for people's sexuality, well, give you a clue comrade. Scum come in every flavour of sexuality, as do good people. That's why stereotyping is so dangerous.
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I love the way that everytime something like this is discussed some p???k starts going on about Nazis, even more so when the words "right wing" are added to the mix. Sorry to disapoint, but the Nazis were socialists with policies that were much more left wing than right. They would have been even more left wing too had it not been for the night of the long knives. Ernst Rohm, Greggor and Otto Strasser were big players before then, Rohm and one of the Strassers was killed that night, with the other Strasser legging it.
I don't do Wikki links, just remember this from way back. I think ER and at least one of the Srassers were gay too.
How would you guys cope without my amazingly relevant historical facts, huh? Lol

We'd be better informed than we are with them...
There is nothing even remotely left wing about mass murder, homophobia, anti semitism and the kind of toadying to corporate Germany that was the Nazi Party's stock in trade. The dispute between Rohm and his faction and the mainstream Nazi Party was about how much they should toady to corporate Germany, with Rohm's anti industrial fantasy of a return to pre industrial Germany being given short shrift by the Nazi paymasters.
As for people's sexuality, well, give you a clue comrade. Scum come in every flavour of sexuality, as do good people. That's why stereotyping is so dangerous.
I'm right wing, patriotic, and proud of it, but I'm no fan of Adolf Hitler. And yes stereotyping is a dangerous game, which is why I used to find those who scream "Nazi" everytime they don't like something anoying, but after looking at some of the history I now find it amusing. Of course it would be wrong to support anyone responsible for genocice, which makes me wonder why nobody seems to care that the biggest culprit of the twentieth century was Joseph Stalin. Eisenhour could be culpable too, was there really any need to drop two nukes on Japan? As for Churchil, he wanted to drop anthrax bombs on Hamburg and at least one other German city.
IMHO wars are started by evil politicians, and while the troops fight and die, they tell their people lie after lie in an attempt to justify it. Choudrey wants Jihad, holy war, if anyone is like Hitler or indeed Stalin it is him not those oposed to his marching through WB.
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Blair certainly is gulity of some of those things.
The inquiry going on at the moment will as usual be a white wash, as we all know Blair sucked up to Bush...there were no WMD.
So with the ammount of people that have died...Blair has many things to answer for.