Time to stop feeding urban foxes?

10 Jun 2010

Quote by duncanlondon
I am no longer convinced that it is a sport. usually sport involves several spectators. the idea that you could set up seating around the countryside and hope the fox is going to dash in front of an audience is a bit unlikely.
or a staging somewhere in scotland whereupon people sit and look through binoculars at deer as they are picked off by worsted clad upper class buffoons. meanwhile a steady supply of flasks of whisky and venison burgers and partridge hotdogs are handed round by tweed and brogue wearing hostesses.
and also it isn't televised! So it can't possibly be a sport.

The audience follow on horseback
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/305150.html
Seams to be a lot of class bigotry around here
they would no longer be spectators then. they would have to be part of the hunt. this would be cruellty to the horse and the rider, and to the amusement for the fox.
No, quite wrong, you do not need to be oart of the hunt to follow it, and,
Yes, what wonderful fun it is lol

10 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
anyone know where tesco`s gets it pheasant and partridge from

Farms. They're killed for food, not sport.
As I said, there is the sporting element. They are all Killed for food, the ones taken by sports men have had several months of a wonderful free existence in their natural environment, not in captivity being pumped full of chemicals.
I see it as better than many farmed animals not worse.
Seems we are not to find any middle ground :wink:
Nope - you can't even answer a direct question, even when asked twice:

Quote by Freckledbird

The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become, that in my humble view is a recipe for disaster

Quote by Freckledbird
Why is feeding foxes a recipe for disaster then? Because they'll get brave and sneak into all the bedrooms of all our sleeping children and attack them? Or kill the family pets? I'm struggling here to see what exactly your point is, because you say you're not complaining about foxes killing but then say that feeding them is a recipe for disaster.

So - again I ask, how is feeding them a recipe for disaster?

10 Jun 2010

Take liver and marinate in toothpaste for 4 hours. flash fry in wd40. That's a recipe for a disaster.

10 Jun 2010

The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become
If foxes are not timid and not scared of humans there is a bigger chance of these things happening

10 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become
If foxes are not timid and not scared of humans there is a bigger chance of these things happening

Thanks for the info on rearing. That was very interesting (and I ain't taking the piss).
Even if foxes become less timid........do you really believe there will be hundreds or thousands of attacks? Wild animal attacks in the UK are very rare. 15 adder bites since the 18th century, but foxes? Until this one, this is the only one I had heard of. (Quick Google search came up with one other in Scotland in 2004.....but thats it)
Dave_Notts

11 Jun 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become
If foxes are not timid and not scared of humans there is a bigger chance of these things happening

Thanks for the info on rearing. That was very interesting (and I ain't taking the piss).
Even if foxes become less timid........do you really believe there will be hundreds or thousands of attacks? Wild animal attacks in the UK are very rare. 15 adder bites since the 18th century, but foxes? Until this one, this is the only one I had heard of. (Quick Google search came up with one other in Scotland in 2004.....but thats it)
Dave_Notts
one in dartford kent 3 years ago dave in was on national news too

11 Jun 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become
If foxes are not timid and not scared of humans there is a bigger chance of these things happening

Thanks for the info on rearing. That was very interesting (and I ain't taking the piss).
Even if foxes become less timid........do you really believe there will be hundreds or thousands of attacks? Wild animal attacks in the UK are very rare. 15 adder bites since the 18th century, but foxes? Until this one, this is the only one I had heard of. (Quick Google search came up with one other in Scotland in 2004.....but thats it)
Dave_Notts
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No, I do not imagine thousands of attacks, don't think I even sugested that, they are rare, but surley no attacks would be best.
The tamer people make foxes the more contact there will be and the chances are raised.
Out of interest, I put what you said to the keeper;
Why not cull a few birds and pump it full of curry or chilli. Give the bodies to the resident fox and they will taste the meat and associate it with something bloody awful
His thoughts;
I think the fox would smell its food before it eats it, so I have my doubts. But its got to be worth a go. Its one I have never heard of.

11 Jun 2010

nice little blog concerning the attack

11 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
This thread dissapeared for a time
No, I do not imagine thousands of attacks, don't think I even sugested that, they are rare, but surley no attacks would be best.
The tamer people make foxes the more contact there will be and the chances are raised.
Out of interest, I put what you said to the keeper;
Why not cull a few birds and pump it full of curry or chilli. Give the bodies to the resident fox and they will taste the meat and associate it with something bloody awful
His thoughts;
I think the fox would smell its food before it eats it, so I have my doubts. But its got to be worth a go. Its one I have never heard of.

Yes, no attacks would be best, but we do not live in a risk free world. Wild animals are just that, wild. They will attack but that is a risk we have to live with in my view.
If he gives it a go then I would be very interested in the results. I read about it here/there/somewhere and have wondered if it would work. Sounded plausible.......but I never actually tried it out myself
Dave_Notts

11 Jun 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
nice little blog concerning the attack

It is a blog. You are right.
Dave_Notts

12 Jun 2010

i think a pig is able to steadily scrunch through a human.

12 Jun 2010

Quote by duncanlondon
i think a pig is able to steadily scrunch through a human.

Pigs were first domesticated in central Asia, at least as long ago as 9000 years, and perhaps a couple thousand years older. They were part of the original suite of domesticates, including sheep, goats, wheat and barley, that were spread into Europe via the Linearbandkeramik.
However, stumble across this little fella you may think twice about handing him a tit bit!

So hunting and a cull is on the cards for these delightful little fellas

12 Jun 2010

It was mentioned today in my paper that fortnightly rubbish collections were a cause of the foxes rise in numbers.
So much rubbish now left in black sacks for two weeks at a time, that the foxes are finding food more easily than ever before, so young foxes are not suffering from lack of food.
So they are blaming the councils for an epidemic of fox numbers.
Councils as far as I remember used to cull them but now they will not even help if a tenant is plagued with rats or mice. Not all councils but a lot.
We have foxes in an old ladys garden which backs onto our garden. She is too old to have a rather large garden and consequently it gets hugely overgrown in the summer. There are foxes in her garden and of course they get into ours.
Yes it is lovely waking up to little fox cubs playing at the bottom of my garden, but they do not stay soft and cuddly for long.
The rise in fox numbers is starting to get to a point where they are becoming a problem, and when it reaches a problem something has to be done. They are basically not very nice creatures that carry many diseases. They fall into the same catagory as mice and rats being vermin.
Councils will not spend the money but if as some would say, that too much rubbish left around is causing the rise in fox numbers surviving, then force the councils to start weekly collections up again, and to stop trying to penny pinch.

12 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Councils as far as I remember used to cull them but now they will not even help if a tenant is plagued with rats or mice. Not all councils but a lot.

You moan when they spend money and then moan when they don't lol

The thing here is that councils always gave this service but when cuts came in they had to look at which services they have to provide and which ones are voluntary. As this is voluntary then pest control has been reduced at a lot of councils. You wanted cuts, now enjoy them
Dave_Notts

12 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
It was mentioned today in my paper that fortnightly rubbish collections were a cause of the foxes rise in numbers.
So much rubbish now left in black sacks for two weeks at a time, that the foxes are finding food more easily than ever before, so young foxes are not suffering from lack of food.
So they are blaming the councils for an epidemic of fox numbers.
snip

If people would buy what they need, use it and then compost the remaining veg matter in a compo bin and throw only bones away, wrapped, into a wheelie bin then urban foxes and rats would have nothing to eat. Many people are totally useless at buying food, managing daily/weekly menus and have no idea what a left-over is. That is not the fox's fault - it is the people's. If people have that much food to throw out they obviously have more money than sense.
Not getting at you Kenty - just using your post as a reference point.

12 Jun 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
And we are getting a compost thing that you can put cooked food and meat into,cutting our waste even the link up cos you might appreciate it foxy

Dust bins were so called because the majority of what filled them was dust and ash,the modern idea we can throw mountains of stuff away with no consequences is wrong and causes many problems.

Cool, just reading the blurb. It digests the food using a fermentation process - I'd not be too keen to keep it in the kitchen then - the fermentation will produces gas, it has to. So the filter in the lid would have to be pretty effective for it not to smell. I'd probably keep it in the uility or even outside the back door (we don't have a fox problem).

14 Jun 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

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No, I do not imagine thousands of attacks, don't think I even sugested that, they are rare, but surley no attacks would be best.
The tamer people make foxes the more contact there will be and the chances are raised.
Out of interest, I put what you said to the keeper;
Why not cull a few birds and pump it full of curry or chilli. Give the bodies to the resident fox and they will taste the meat and associate it with something bloody awful
His thoughts;
I think the fox would smell its food before it eats it, so I have my doubts. But its got to be worth a go. Its one I have never heard of.

Yes, no attacks would be best, but we do not live in a risk free world. Wild animals are just that, wild. They will attack but that is a risk we have to live with in my view.
If he gives it a go then I would be very interested in the results. I read about it here/there/somewhere and have wondered if it would work. Sounded plausible.......but I never actually tried it out myself
Dave_Notts
When/if, (although it will not be very scientific) I shall report back lol

:lol:

14 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

This thread dissapeared for a time
No, I do not imagine thousands of attacks, don't think I even sugested that, they are rare, but surley no attacks would be best.
The tamer people make foxes the more contact there will be and the chances are raised.
Out of interest, I put what you said to the keeper;
Why not cull a few birds and pump it full of curry or chilli. Give the bodies to the resident fox and they will taste the meat and associate it with something bloody awful
His thoughts;
I think the fox would smell its food before it eats it, so I have my doubts. But its got to be worth a go. Its one I have never heard of.

Yes, no attacks would be best, but we do not live in a risk free world. Wild animals are just that, wild. They will attack but that is a risk we have to live with in my view.
If he gives it a go then I would be very interested in the results. I read about it here/there/somewhere and have wondered if it would work. Sounded plausible.......but I never actually tried it out myself
Dave_Notts
When/if, (although it will not be very scientific) I shall report back lol

:lol:
Sounds like my type of experimenting :lol:
When we were kids we made a small bomb, something that would maybe blow the lid off a dustbin. Well anyway, we made it and buried it in a mates bank in their front garden. We let it off.............and the whole fecking bank displaced and left a feck off crater in the front garden.
Unfortunately, the house was diectly opposite North Wales Police HQ. Oh boy were we in the shit for that one
Dave_Notts
Dave_Notts

14 Jun 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
We are going to put it in the garage,even though they do say odor free,it was that or a wormery.

Make sure the garage is well ventilated. Decomposition releases methane. Bang !

15 Jun 2010

Quote by JTS

We are going to put it in the garage,even though they do say odor free,it was that or a wormery.

Make sure the garage is well ventilated. Decomposition releases methane. Bang !
Good advise, and don't let Dave-Notts help with it either or the garage could end up as a pile of rubble!

5 Jul 2010

Fox attacks family pet

An RSPCA spokesman saidthere was “very little recorded evidence” that foxes attacked domestic pets. They advise the “most humane and long-term solution to discourage foxes” is to remove or prevent access to food and shelter, including using barriers, such as fencing or prickly plants, and chemical repellents that are approved for use with foxes.

5 Jul 2010

We went down the two big dogs route to fox discouragement

5 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
We went down the two big dogs route to fox discouragement

That would do it lol

5 Jul 2010

Quote by flower411
We went down the two big dogs route to fox discouragement

Not really adverse to hunting with dogs then !! rolleyes

We don't hunt...we just bark a bit ,that usually does the trick
and if it doesn't we get the dogs to bark

6 Jul 2010

once the fox has been allowed to walk into people's homes and show its true nature; i expect it won't be long before people wish to see the return of fox hunting, dogs and all.

6 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
We went down the two big dogs route to fox discouragement

Not really adverse to hunting with dogs then !! rolleyes

We don't hunt...we just bark a bit ,that usually does the trick
and if it doesn't we get the dogs to bark
:laughabove:

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

18 Oct 2010

Protest as marksmen called in to cul-de-sac to kill foxes
A middle class revolt against the "inhumane" slaughter of foxes has forced a pest control company to abandon a planned shooting session.

18 Oct 2010

I wonder if they would feel the same about halting a cull of a nuisance wasps nest, or a rat explosion (not literally of course... rats going bang all over the place is probably quite rare).
Shooting IS the most effective and humane way to deal with foxes. What do these protesters propose the residents do now? Ask the foxes nicely to bugger off to the next street?

18 Oct 2010

Quote by vampanya
I wonder if they would feel the same about halting a cull of a nuisance wasps nest, or a rat explosion (not literally of course... rats going bang all over the place is probably quite rare).
Shooting IS the most effective and humane way to deal with foxes. What do these protesters propose the residents do now? Ask the foxes nicely to bugger off to the next street?

That is very different, rats are horrible disease ridden little creatures :giggle:
Bellow is an old story which springs to mind. Keep in mind that this pub already served pork, beef, lamb, and chicken....etc

18 Oct 2010

Ok, but the point i was making then was about vermin in general and the need for culling.
Off topic somewhat, I think the biggest problem rats cause these days is not disease, (in this country at least) its property/food stock damage.