I found this story both sad and frustrating.
We have had a similar thread as to whether people should be treated by the NHS when it is obviously a self inflicted illness, like smoking for example.
Obviously if people are ill then they of course should be treated to the best abilities of the NHS.
What I found disturbing about this is it seems is this is how he wanted to end up, as the fattest man. What he eats is why he is this big, nothing else. So his size and the obvious health issues are entirely his own doing. The care involved must cost an absolute fortune at a time when the NHS refuses in some areas to give people certain drugs, as they are deemed too expensive. Yet this man is treated at a cost of what must be thousands of pounds every week.
Is that fair? Or should the NHS treat anybody no matter what the circumstances?
I found this man to be a selfish individual who lets be fair probably has very little time left before his body or his heart give up. It is reported this guy eats calories a day fgs. Enough to feed a small army.
Should people like this get the help to get better...if they want to of course, but in this instance it seems it is a badge of honour for this guy, to have the tag he now has. Should he be treated or should any treatment stop until he makes the effort himself?
A difficult one but for me this guy has taken things past the reasonable and something should be done to help him slim down, and if he will not I find myself saying well ok, if that is how you want to live, don't expect the NHS to carry on picking up the tab. Is that right and fair....or not?
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Yeah i feel sorry for him. Whatever the reason for his condition he is in a terrible state and will die soon. I think the NHS should pay for whatever necessary treatment is needed to prolong his life.
I rather liked the disclaimer form earlier lies that followed the article.
"* An article of October 14, 2009, 'Just one in six benefit claimants is genuine', suggested the number of people claiming incapacity benefit has soared from 67,000 when Labour came to power to today.
We are happy to clarify that this figure relates to the number of people who were claiming benefits for five years or more in 1997, when the number of incapacity benefit claimants was
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I rather liked the disclaimer form earlier lies that followed the article.
"* An article of October 14, 2009, 'Just one in six benefit claimants is genuine', suggested the number of people claiming incapacity benefit has soared from 67,000 when Labour came to power to today.
We are happy to clarify that this figure relates to the number of people who were claiming benefits for five years or more in 1997, when the number of incapacity benefit claimants was
Read more:
"
Would you feel sorry for the bloke who smokes a 100 a day cos he wants to and likes smoking and then dies of lung cancer?
Its the same thing its self inflicted and i dont see that NHS money should be wasted on such a selfish individual who set out to get into the shape he is in by eating his way through enough food each day to feed a small African nation.
I read somewhere yesterday (maybe the telegraph) that it actually costs the health service somewhere close to 100k a year to keep this guy going, money that could prolong a breast cancer patients life by 12 to 18 months with the right expensive drugs (baring in mind that is not a self inflicted condition).
If this guy needs so much money to keep going maybe he should consider selling himself for sponsorship, i am sure Burger King "home of the double WHOPPER" could use him!!!
In all seriousness though imagine the outcry when this chap finally pops his cloggs and it costs 1000s just to get him out of the house, 1000s to chop down the forest to make a coffin big enough and 1000s to hire a crane to get him to the cemetry!!!
Its the same thing its self inflicted and i dont see that NHS money should be wasted on such a selfish individual who set out to get into the shape he is in by eating his way through enough food each day to feed a small African nation.
I read somewhere yesterday (maybe the telegraph) that it actually costs the health service somewhere close to 100k a year to keep this guy going, money that could prolong a breast cancer patients life by 12 to 18 months with the right expensive drugs (baring in mind that is not a self inflicted condition).
If this guy needs so much money to keep going maybe he should consider selling himself for sponsorship, i am sure Burger King "home of the double WHOPPER" could use him!!!
In all seriousness though imagine the outcry when this chap finally pops his cloggs and it costs 1000s just to get him out of the house, 1000s to chop down the forest to make a coffin big enough and 1000s to hire a crane to get him to the cemetry!!!
So to clarify....your opinion is that we should continue to spend over 100 grand a year on someone who is deliberatly putting himself in this condition?
I am not saying not to treat him but.....my opinion is that if you do not want to help yourself, why should others bother?
The guy is this size simply because he eats too much...period. So like smokers ( of which I am one ) knowing the dangers involved, why should the NHS be burdened by people like this, who do not want to change.
Do we then continue to spend over 100 grand a year on one case of someone eating too much, and then on the other hand deny people drugs, because they cannot afford them?
There are thousands of people out there, maybe someones Grandparent, who is being denied treatment for Alzheimer's, because the local authority cannot or will not fund the drugs needed to help these people. I have heard the daily cost for this drug is , yet some authorities seem to have no trouble finding this kind of money for someone who is deliberatly abbusing their body, and then expects the local authority to pick the massive tab up. No wonder these same authorities cannot supply the money to an Alzheimer's patient.
I am not saying not to treat him but.....my opinion is that if you do not want to help yourself, why should others bother?
The guy is this size simply because he eats too much...period. So like smokers ( of which I am one ) knowing the dangers involved, why should the NHS be burdened by people like this, who do not want to change.
Do we then continue to spend over 100 grand a year on one case of someone eating too much, and then on the other hand deny people drugs, because they cannot afford them?
There are thousands of people out there, maybe someones Grandparent, who is being denied treatment for Alzheimer's, because the local authority cannot or will not fund the drugs needed to help these people. I have heard the daily cost for this drug is , yet some authorities seem to have no trouble finding this kind of money for someone who is deliberatly abbusing their body, and then expects the local authority to pick the massive tab up. No wonder these same authorities cannot supply the money to an Alzheimer's patient.
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So to clarify....your opinion is that we should continue to spend over 100 grand a year on someone who is deliberatly putting himself in this condition?
Nobody has said said he is doing it deliberately, they use innuendo to suggest he is?
I am not saying not to treat him but.....my opinion is that if you do not want to help yourself, why should others bother?
Who said he doesnt want to help himself? How could we possibly know?
The guy is this size simply because he eats too much...period. So like smokers ( of which I am one ) knowing the dangers involved, why should the NHS be burdened by people like this, who do not want to change.
This guy is exceptional. Its perfectly possible he has any number of rare conditions that cause him to have uncontrolled hunger. The report didn't speculate on this at all. It could have but it chose not to.
Do we then continue to spend over 100 grand a year on one case of someone eating too much, and then on the other hand deny people drugs, because they cannot afford them?
Compared to the money we waste buying NRT for nicotine addicts (bearing in mind NRT rarely works long term) 100k is bugger all.
There are thousands of people out there, maybe someones Grandparent, who is being denied treatment for Alzheimer's, because the local authority cannot or will not fund the drugs needed to help these people. I have heard the daily cost for this drug is , yet some authorities seem to have no trouble finding this kind of money for someone who is deliberatly abbusing their body, and then expects the local authority to pick the massive tab up. No wonder these same authorities cannot supply the money to an Alzheimer's patient.
Yeah priorities are always gonna be an issue for an NHS with a limited budget and a society that really doesn't like paying tax. Dont see why we are picking on an exceptional case when that debate would be far better served comparing the priority of Alzheimers treatment versus something like NHS cosmetic surgery, fertility treatment,NRT or anti depressant prescription, a few more genuinely interested folk might contribute to that. However as you said weve already had a similar thread so what is the point.
Overeating on this scale is just as serious and just as recognised by the "boffins" as bulimia and anorexea although its less common and costs the NHS peanuts in comparison. Is anybody going to stand up and suggest we stop treating the many thousands of people with these conditions? But then that wouldn't get the mob up in arms would it and wouldn't be quite so popular with middle englanders who seem to take great delight in picking on the fattys.
Yet again I find myself contributing to a thread I have almost no interest in solely to counter the bigotry and prejudice expressed in the OP.
Sorry but in this case sympathy is nothing more than a word in the dictionary (somewhere between shit and syphilis).
I do know a thing or two about addiction as well. Recently my quack told me that drinking was damaging my kidneys and that my blood sugar, blood pressure, and cholesteral levels were all too high. So I have quit the drinking, doesn't mean I'll never drink and have a laugh again, just that the unnecassary binges have stopped and there will be long periods of total sobriety between drinks.
If your health or indeed your life is in danger you take whatever it takes to turn things round, if not then why should anyone sympathise with you?
I do know a thing or two about addiction as well. Recently my quack told me that drinking was damaging my kidneys and that my blood sugar, blood pressure, and cholesteral levels were all too high. So I have quit the drinking, doesn't mean I'll never drink and have a laugh again, just that the unnecassary binges have stopped and there will be long periods of total sobriety between drinks.
If your health or indeed your life is in danger you take whatever it takes to turn things round, if not then why should anyone sympathise with you?
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I read somewhere yesterday (maybe the telegraph) that it actually costs the health service somewhere close to 100k a year to keep this guy going, money that could prolong a breast cancer patients life by 12 to 18 months with the right expensive drugs (baring in mind that is not a self inflicted condition).
In all seriousness though imagine the outcry when this chap finally pops his cloggs and it costs 1000s just to get him out of the house, 1000s to chop down the forest to make a coffin big enough and 1000s to hire a crane to get him to the cemetry!!!
... not to mention who pays for all his excesses in the first place.. I don't suppose for one minute that he has a job that funds his lifestyle (or just maybe he is a lottery winner!).
Either way, joe public is paying for this in a whole number of different ways.
Withdraw his funding; there's enough fat there to keep him going through to the next millennium :lol2:
The only people I feel for are those being denied succour because of this selfish twat.
As quoted in the article "And it emerged today that Mr Mason actually had an ambition to become the world's fattest man. He lost 20 stone in hospital three years ago but reportedly told staff he didn't really want to lose the weight."
It might sound heartless to some people but if he wants to be the fattest man in the world, let him, he will eat himself to death sooner or later. Dont waste the money on him there are people out there who want to live but have cancer and the money would be better spent on them.
It might sound heartless to some people but if he wants to be the fattest man in the world, let him, he will eat himself to death sooner or later. Dont waste the money on him there are people out there who want to live but have cancer and the money would be better spent on them.
Sex God
The NHS is there to treat the sick....not just some of diseases are to a greater or lesser degree in some way self inflicted or made worse by our behaviour,to pick and choose which of these are treated is a denial of the NHS' foundation. Should we not treat cancer in smokers?kidney and liver diseases in drinkers?diabetes in sugar eaters? or even STD's in swingers? who draws the line? and where? or should we just treat sick people when they need treatment?
Sex God
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I do know a thing or two about addiction as well
You may well know something about alcohol addiction yes, but you obviously and others already posted know fuck all about food addiction.
Upshot is, unlike drink, drugs, alcohol, sex, smoking. adrenaline, and a multitude of other things, You cannot give up food. It is unlike any other addiction.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
Most large,fat,obese people try their best to get on and by with what they are. Most know what they are too. A lot are happy with their lives they have great lives are great normal people though very very few would turn down the offer of being slim. To many its an elusive dream though one thats not going to stop them getting on with it.
Fat people are easy targets and those that pick on them are fucking coward wankers that understand fuck all about what is to be fat.
Oh you might get the odd person who says "Well i was 18st and now i'm down to size 'fit as fuck'(well done them too, i'm not underestimating the acheivement) but again they are the exception rather than the rule.
Giving up addictions are an amazing thing and should be applauded but no one can give up food.
Sometimes sensitivity and understanding of others when enquiring about issues such as this may pay dividends.
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I do know a thing or two about addiction as well
You may well know something about alcohol addiction yes, but you obviously and others already posted know fuck all about food addiction.
Upshot is, unlike drink, drugs, alcohol, sex, smoking. adrenaline, and a multitude of other things, You cannot give up food. It is unlike any other addiction.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
Most large,fat,obese people try their best to get on and by with what they are. Most know what they are too. A lot are happy with their lives they have great lives are great normal people though very very few would turn down the offer of being slim. To many its an elusive dream though one thats not going to stop them getting on with it.
Fat people are easy targets and those that pick on them are fucking coward wankers that understand fuck all about what is to be fat.
Oh you might get the odd person who says "Well i was 18st and now i'm down to size 'fit as fuck'(well done them too, i'm not underestimating the acheivement) but again they are the exception rather than the rule.
Giving up addictions are an amazing thing and should be applauded but no one can give up food.
Sometimes sensitivity and understanding of others when enquiring about issues such as this may pay dividends.
Absolutely Lostie
Losty...it is not about having an addiction in this case is it? The guy has admitted he wants to be the fattest in the world, a nice tag to have eh?
He already losty 20 stone
but now he is fatter than ever.
People go on about smokers and they have a point but, smokers contribute to that by paying for a packet at between 5 and 6 quid a pop, when we know it actually costs about a tenth of that to produce.I did read in a medical journal somewhere ages ago that smokers through tax, put in more than they eventually take out.
I have sympathy for some people who are overweight, but this is a lifestyle choice. One in four is now obese in this country, and it never used to be that way when I was a kid. Yes you had a few fat people but nowhere near the scale we have now.
The main reasons are the crap boxed microwave bollox people buy and eat now, coupled with little or no exercise. This guy obviously has not been able to work for god knows how long because of his size, plus the cost is massive.
Part of me feels sorry for him and the other part thinks he is a slob who just wants to be like this.
If this guy has no intention of helping himself then funding should be stopped, and the money given to people who will turn their lives around given the chance.
How sad a life must this guy have if the only ambition he has, is to want to be the fattest guy in the world, who the fuck wants that kind of tab?
Either do something about his weight, or if not stop the food from coming into the house. The ammount of food he eats I wonder how the fuck he can afford it living on the only income he gets, which of course is benefits.....do they do a " eat as much as you like allowance " ?
He already losty 20 stone
but now he is fatter than ever.People go on about smokers and they have a point but, smokers contribute to that by paying for a packet at between 5 and 6 quid a pop, when we know it actually costs about a tenth of that to produce.I did read in a medical journal somewhere ages ago that smokers through tax, put in more than they eventually take out.
I have sympathy for some people who are overweight, but this is a lifestyle choice. One in four is now obese in this country, and it never used to be that way when I was a kid. Yes you had a few fat people but nowhere near the scale we have now.
The main reasons are the crap boxed microwave bollox people buy and eat now, coupled with little or no exercise. This guy obviously has not been able to work for god knows how long because of his size, plus the cost is massive.
Part of me feels sorry for him and the other part thinks he is a slob who just wants to be like this.
If this guy has no intention of helping himself then funding should be stopped, and the money given to people who will turn their lives around given the chance.
How sad a life must this guy have if the only ambition he has, is to want to be the fattest guy in the world, who the fuck wants that kind of tab?
Either do something about his weight, or if not stop the food from coming into the house. The ammount of food he eats I wonder how the fuck he can afford it living on the only income he gets, which of course is benefits.....do they do a " eat as much as you like allowance " ?
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If this guy has no intention of helping himself then funding should be stopped, and the money given to people who will turn their lives around given the chance.
Remind me - what was your take on smokers receiving NHS treatment?
I have already mentioned about that Cherry...pay attention.
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If this guy has no intention of helping himself then funding should be stopped, and the money given to people who will turn their lives around given the chance.
Remind me - what was your take on smokers receiving NHS treatment?
I have already mentioned about that Cherry...pay attention.
Ah yes
Quote by kentswingers777
The guy is this size simply because he eats too much...period. So like smokers ( of which I am one ) knowing the dangers involved, why should the NHS be burdened by people like this, who do not want to change.
I'm sorry for the confusion, fair play to you Kenty, saying that you will refuse NHS treatment for conditions caused by your smoking.
Cherry at this time I am healthy and fit.
I do not know what the future brings health wise for me, I could die on my big powerful expensive motorbike at anytime.
So I would not be a burden on the NHS from my smoking then would I ?
Now IF I was to suffer from one of the things associated with smoking when I get older, I am sure that taking things into consideration like, the ammount of years I have paid into the NHS, or the ammount of tax I have paid on every packet of fags I have ever brought, I am sure that will go a massive way towards the cost of treating me....no?
BUT....IF I was to be told I have to stop smoking or my health would deteriorate and I would die very soon, I would think I would quit. I certainly would not want to have a tag of the most fags smoked by a person.
This guy knows the risks, he knows he will die yet....he continues to stuff his face with pies until he gets to 70 stone. :shock:
This guy is ill now but refuses to help himself and that is the main issue here. IF he wanted to help himself he would have my support, but it is obvious that he does not want to, so why should he continue to get the funding?
I do not know what the future brings health wise for me, I could die on my big powerful expensive motorbike at anytime.
So I would not be a burden on the NHS from my smoking then would I ?
Now IF I was to suffer from one of the things associated with smoking when I get older, I am sure that taking things into consideration like, the ammount of years I have paid into the NHS, or the ammount of tax I have paid on every packet of fags I have ever brought, I am sure that will go a massive way towards the cost of treating me....no?
BUT....IF I was to be told I have to stop smoking or my health would deteriorate and I would die very soon, I would think I would quit. I certainly would not want to have a tag of the most fags smoked by a person.
This guy knows the risks, he knows he will die yet....he continues to stuff his face with pies until he gets to 70 stone. :shock:
This guy is ill now but refuses to help himself and that is the main issue here. IF he wanted to help himself he would have my support, but it is obvious that he does not want to, so why should he continue to get the funding?
I am a non smoker, I happen to believe that the NHS should treat smokers.
But you, apparently feel that if someone knows the risks of a certain lifestyle, they should not get treated - unless that happens to be a lifestyle you partake of - your sentence could have said -
Where's the difference?
But you, apparently feel that if someone knows the risks of a certain lifestyle, they should not get treated - unless that happens to be a lifestyle you partake of - your sentence could have said -
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This guy knows the risks, he knows he will die yet....he continues to stuff his face with cigarettes] until he gets any number of horrible illnesses well documented and warned about on every cigarette packet sold]
This guy is ill now but refuses to help himself and that is the main issue here. IF he wanted to help himself he would have my support, but it is obvious that he does not want to, so why should he continue to get the funding?
Where's the difference?
Sex God
777 you have a choice. Smoke or don't smoke. this guy has got to eat. the amount is the question your addiction can be sorted through abstaining, his cant. Far more complex set of problems.
You know that a lot of the time I applaud your debate in most things whether i agree with you or not and I do sometimes. I also think that though deliberately provocative in your approach, made so by how, in my opinion, you've been goaded on here at times.
This time I will take issue that you've missed my point about how fat people portray themselves to others. Whatever a fat person was to say would not be right.
If one was to admit to being a pig and greedy and ugly and lazy and a horrid person then you would say "see told you so, well done me let them die" smug smug. However when they may try to brush it all off with other ways of dealing with it be it a possible pretence of being happy with the situation, you'll say "See told you they dont give a flying fuck kill them" 777 with this way of looking at it there is no redemption for anyone who has what you would interpret as a failing. You have to at least consider other, what can be quite alien, views to your own.
I'll tell you 777 i spent 3 months in hospital some of which was in a small 4 bed ward the next bed being occupied by the funniest most charming witty black guy i've ever met. He was just 4' tall and weighed in at about 30 stone give or take. He was massive and really happy. But was he?
this guy was so fat he had severe diabetes. this severe diabetes was the cause of him to lose his feet through amputation then more amputation to the knees and (whilst i was there with) full amputation. Hence being 4' tall. My did he laugh and joke with us all he did honestly.
What wasn't heard by many, is at night, as he dug into another box of maltesers (We could hear the crunch and scrunch of the maltesers and bags of crisps) behind his curtains hid from the rest of us, the sobbing all night. When he was asleep the dreams of self loathing I could hear through his desperate mutterings as well as watching him in his sleep trying to eat his bed clothes I witnessed his pain. Yet i the morning he was always the most ebulient cheerful guy.
He did die soon after i left hospital. It was suicide he couldn't take it anymore so he ate until he was dead a big fat ugly pig of a man a lovely beautiful person who made me cry with laughter and cry with pain died.
Sometimes i'm sorry 777 your such a part of the machine Why not think outside the box for a minute eh? I guess we would never of come out of those glorious Dickensian days of squalor if everyone thought like you do sometimes about social welfare. Thank god for the passionate socialists of our past. thank god for the passifists. thank god for the moral humanitarian.
I've spoken with some of the worlds leading specialists in eating disorders 777 and its so much more a desease of the mind not the body. Think more on the lines of schizophrenia and sever mental disorder notall the time no but sometimes.
Pick on other people sometimes not just the weak the poor, Oh and while we're at it obeseity afflicts the poorest in our communities at a disproportionate rate to the rest.
Give it a break and dont be such a c*nt in everything you think and post ok (just some)
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You know that a lot of the time I applaud your debate in most things whether i agree with you or not and I do sometimes. I also think that though deliberately provocative in your approach, made so by how, in my opinion, you've been goaded on here at times.
This time I will take issue that you've missed my point about how fat people portray themselves to others. Whatever a fat person was to say would not be right.
If one was to admit to being a pig and greedy and ugly and lazy and a horrid person then you would say "see told you so, well done me let them die" smug smug. However when they may try to brush it all off with other ways of dealing with it be it a possible pretence of being happy with the situation, you'll say "See told you they dont give a flying fuck kill them" 777 with this way of looking at it there is no redemption for anyone who has what you would interpret as a failing. You have to at least consider other, what can be quite alien, views to your own.
I'll tell you 777 i spent 3 months in hospital some of which was in a small 4 bed ward the next bed being occupied by the funniest most charming witty black guy i've ever met. He was just 4' tall and weighed in at about 30 stone give or take. He was massive and really happy. But was he?
this guy was so fat he had severe diabetes. this severe diabetes was the cause of him to lose his feet through amputation then more amputation to the knees and (whilst i was there with) full amputation. Hence being 4' tall. My did he laugh and joke with us all he did honestly.
What wasn't heard by many, is at night, as he dug into another box of maltesers (We could hear the crunch and scrunch of the maltesers and bags of crisps) behind his curtains hid from the rest of us, the sobbing all night. When he was asleep the dreams of self loathing I could hear through his desperate mutterings as well as watching him in his sleep trying to eat his bed clothes I witnessed his pain. Yet i the morning he was always the most ebulient cheerful guy.
He did die soon after i left hospital. It was suicide he couldn't take it anymore so he ate until he was dead a big fat ugly pig of a man a lovely beautiful person who made me cry with laughter and cry with pain died.
Sometimes i'm sorry 777 your such a part of the machine Why not think outside the box for a minute eh? I guess we would never of come out of those glorious Dickensian days of squalor if everyone thought like you do sometimes about social welfare. Thank god for the passionate socialists of our past. thank god for the passifists. thank god for the moral humanitarian.
I've spoken with some of the worlds leading specialists in eating disorders 777 and its so much more a desease of the mind not the body. Think more on the lines of schizophrenia and sever mental disorder notall the time no but sometimes.
Pick on other people sometimes not just the weak the poor, Oh and while we're at it obeseity afflicts the poorest in our communities at a disproportionate rate to the rest.
Give it a break and dont be such a c*nt in everything you think and post ok (just some)
:D
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As quoted in the article "And it emerged today that Mr Mason actually had an ambition to become the world's fattest man. He lost 20 stone in hospital three years ago but reportedly told staff he didn't really want to lose the weight."
It might sound heartless to some people but if he wants to be the fattest man in the world, let him, he will eat himself to death sooner or later. Dont waste the money on him there are people out there who want to live but have cancer and the money would be better spent on them.
I'm quoting myself again cos everyone seems to be missing the point, he has said he doesnt really want to lose the weight he wants to be the worlds fattest man.
This isnt about medical conditions he might have its the fact that he wants to be fat he wants to get heavier. How can it be justifed that someone is going to be getting treatment when they dont want it.
The money could be better spent on buying new artifical legs for the 7 year old girl who had Meningitis and had to have both her legs removed but instead her father is having to do security jobs in Iraq & Afganistan to pay the £30,000 every year she needs to have new ones because the ones the NHS offer her are basically crap and means she can only use them for an hour or two each day. This girl deverses a better standard of life, she wants to run about with her friends, be able to ride a bike like her friends. She wants to live her life, this man doesnt.
Before anyone fires off at me, I know whats its like to be very over weight I have a medical condition which I spent years trying to control, but now I finally think I have it under control.
Orgasminator
.... should the NHS treat anybody no matter what the circumstances?....
There is a guy in Edinburgh who is a convicted ,he needs kidney dialysis 3 times a week to keep him alive..allegedly he has threatened to and murder nurses,attacked staff and hurled racist comments at ppl just doing their job, some off the staff have refused to treat him due to safety concerns...
Now i dont know much about the chap with the eating disorder if that what it is but my sympathies are for sure with ppl such as him as opposed to patients like the above.
There is a guy in Edinburgh who is a convicted ,he needs kidney dialysis 3 times a week to keep him alive..allegedly he has threatened to and murder nurses,attacked staff and hurled racist comments at ppl just doing their job, some off the staff have refused to treat him due to safety concerns...
Now i dont know much about the chap with the eating disorder if that what it is but my sympathies are for sure with ppl such as him as opposed to patients like the above.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Points taken and Losty and I am sorry if I offended you in any way mate.
That was never my intention...my views on this will cease.
Can we kiss and make up Losty?
Ahhh your OK 777 I think your very forthright in your opinions and thats good. I'm probably just more sensitive in this area than most so locked onto it.
For gods sake dont ever stop though. Those who have a different opinion will always debate you and thats cool for all.
Just coz you debate like a 17 year old doesn't make you unworthy.!
Oh and as for kissing n making up well theres nothing to make up. You've nothing to be sorry for but hey i'm comfortable with who I am. C'mere big boy :lol2:
Sex God
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Points taken and Losty and I am sorry if I offended you in any way mate.
That was never my intention...my views on this will cease.
Can we kiss and make up Losty?
So ... ya views on any given situation can be switched off when they offend one of the people that leaps to your defence in the racist bigot threads !!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Bang out of order flower! c'mon man give the guy a break if you see something thats racist and breaking any sort of rules then report it and let it be dealt with in the appropriate manner. What your doing here is not worthy. I see no evidence of racism if I did i'd be pissed off, As for bigotry then theres an awful lot of us could be charged with that crime including yourself. The fact of seeing and reading bigotry allows it to be questioned and maybe learning ensues.
your a good thought provoking entertaining poster whose posts i enjoy and benefit from, but this sort of stuff from you, nah mate its bollox.
The reason 777 aint posted is the possibility that maybe just maybe what been posted triggered something that made him think about how the subject was approached nothing else, nothing alterior. If you state things as you do then 777's damned if he posts or damned if he doesn't. What do you want?
Sex God
Quote by soul-girl
everyone seems to be missing the point, he has said he doesnt really want to lose the weight he wants to be the worlds fattest man.
This isnt about medical conditions he might have its the fact that he wants to be fat he wants to get heavier. How can it be justifed that someone is going to be getting treatment when they dont want it.
I think you may of missed it when i addressed those points Soulg when I first posted.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
And then reiterated in almost the whole of the first half of my second post.
Have you not considered the fact that a mental illness is afflicting this guy? A mental illness which causes him to say and do the things he does? Do you think that deep down his natural animal instincts are to kill himself? No! Of course not. If you haven't considered mental illness then you should. And if theirs a chance that the guy is bona fida fruit loop then he needs care, treatment not derision disgust and hatred.
Quote by Lost
I do know a thing or two about addiction as well
You may well know something about alcohol addiction yes, but you obviously and others already posted know fuck all about food addiction.
Upshot is, unlike drink, drugs, alcohol, sex, smoking. adrenaline, and a multitude of other things, You cannot give up food. It is unlike any other addiction.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
Most large,fat,obese people try their best to get on and by with what they are. Most know what they are too. A lot are happy with their lives they have great lives are great normal people though very very few would turn down the offer of being slim. To many its an elusive dream though one thats not going to stop them getting on with it.
Fat people are easy targets and those that pick on them are fucking coward wankers that understand fuck all about what is to be fat.
Oh you might get the odd person who says "Well i was 18st and now i'm down to size 'fit as fuck'(well done them too, i'm not underestimating the acheivement) but again they are the exception rather than the rule.
Giving up addictions are an amazing thing and should be applauded but no one can give up food.
Sometimes sensitivity and understanding of others when enquiring about issues such as this may pay dividends.
So you know enough about me to accuse me of knowing FUCK ALL about food addiction? You seem a little touchy, but you assume too much. I have known people who were told to lose weight, didn't and died as a result, I new a girl who died as a result of complications caused by anorexia. It doesn't matter if you die because you are 70 stone or 37 stone, wether you make the national press makes no difference either. The upshot is we all either get old and die, get ill and die, or suffer something unfortunate and die. 99.9% of the time only those who knew you durring your life will give a flying fuck when you die, this fucker has a chance to live but doesn't deserve anymore sympathy than a lung cancer patient who was warned but carried on smoking. Babies are bieng born with cancer, or serious drug addictions passed to them by their mothers in the womb, or AIDS, those are the people I feel sorry for.
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Sex God
Quote by BrightonGeezer
I do know a thing or two about addiction as well
You may well know something about alcohol addiction yes, but you obviously and others already posted know fuck all about food addiction.
Upshot is, unlike drink, drugs, alcohol, sex, smoking. adrenaline, and a multitude of other things, You cannot give up food. It is unlike any other addiction.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
Most large,fat,obese people try their best to get on and by with what they are. Most know what they are too. A lot are happy with their lives they have great lives are great normal people though very very few would turn down the offer of being slim. To many its an elusive dream though one thats not going to stop them getting on with it.
Fat people are easy targets and those that pick on them are fucking coward wankers that understand fuck all about what is to be fat.
Oh you might get the odd person who says "Well i was 18st and now i'm down to size 'fit as fuck'(well done them too, i'm not underestimating the acheivement) but again they are the exception rather than the rule.
Giving up addictions are an amazing thing and should be applauded but no one can give up food.
Sometimes sensitivity and understanding of others when enquiring about issues such as this may pay dividends.
So you know enough about me to accuse me of knowing FUCK ALL about food addiction? You seem a little touchy, but you assume too much. I have known people who were told to lose weight, didn't and died as a result, I new a girl who died as a result of complications caused by anorexia. It doesn't matter if you die because you are 70 stone or 37 stone, wether you make the national press makes no difference either. The upshot is we all either get old and die, get ill and die, or suffer something unfortunate and die. 99.9% of the time only those who knew you durring your life will give a flying fuck when you die, this fucker has a chance to live but doesn't deserve anymore sympathy than a lung cancer patient who was warned but carried on smoking. Babies are bieng born with cancer, or serious drug addictions passed to them by their mothers in the womb, or AIDS, those are the people I feel sorry for.
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On your first post you made no allusion to having knowledge of food addiction, problems to which you do now thats why i was so blunt.
I do agree with the fact that really only a few people will ever really notice any one of us passing on. However if we all thought the same way then maybe we would never of come out of caves, I dont know.
All I know is that yes of course I feel sorry for those inflicted with the awful problems such as those you've mentioned but surely its allowed to feel sorry for others too? Maybe in a different less heart rending high emotion way but i think it is.
Quote by Lost
I do know a thing or two about addiction as well
You may well know something about alcohol addiction yes, but you obviously and others already posted know fuck all about food addiction.
Upshot is, unlike drink, drugs, alcohol, sex, smoking. adrenaline, and a multitude of other things, You cannot give up food. It is unlike any other addiction.
Do you really think this guy is liking being that big? Do you really honestly? or is there a part of you who thinks maybe that he maybe covering up the crying hurting individual fallible human being. is there no part of you that says "Hold up wait a minute this ain't what it seems"?
Most large,fat,obese people try their best to get on and by with what they are. Most know what they are too. A lot are happy with their lives they have great lives are great normal people though very very few would turn down the offer of being slim. To many its an elusive dream though one thats not going to stop them getting on with it.
Fat people are easy targets and those that pick on them are fucking coward wankers that understand fuck all about what is to be fat.
Oh you might get the odd person who says "Well i was 18st and now i'm down to size 'fit as fuck'(well done them too, i'm not underestimating the acheivement) but again they are the exception rather than the rule.
Giving up addictions are an amazing thing and should be applauded but no one can give up food.
Sometimes sensitivity and understanding of others when enquiring about issues such as this may pay dividends.
So you know enough about me to accuse me of knowing FUCK ALL about food addiction? You seem a little touchy, but you assume too much. I have known people who were told to lose weight, didn't and died as a result, I new a girl who died as a result of complications caused by anorexia. It doesn't matter if you die because you are 70 stone or 37 stone, wether you make the national press makes no difference either. The upshot is we all either get old and die, get ill and die, or suffer something unfortunate and die. 99.9% of the time only those who knew you durring your life will give a flying fuck when you die, this fucker has a chance to live but doesn't deserve anymore sympathy than a lung cancer patient who was warned but carried on smoking. Babies are bieng born with cancer, or serious drug addictions passed to them by their mothers in the womb, or AIDS, those are the people I feel sorry for.
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On your first post you made no allusion to having knowledge of food addiction, problems to which you do now thats why i was so blunt.
I do agree with the fact that really only a few people will ever really notice any one of us passing on. However if we all thought the same way then maybe we would never of come out of caves, I dont know.
All I know is that yes of course I feel sorry for those inflicted with the awful problems such as those you've mentioned but surely its allowed to feel sorry for others too? Maybe in a different less heart rending high emotion way but i think it is.
Fair enough points, sometimes a subject might be a little too close to home for rational discussion. I know all about being overweight, being refered to as a fat ****, and all that other stuff. I often refer to myself as a "big fat bloke" because at 21 stone that is what I am. Thirty pints of Guinness in 24 hours is, (was) a great day out, followed by large ammounts of curry. Giving up an addiction is like walking out on someone you love, you have a relationship with it no matter what it is your addicted to. Perhaps if I didn,t have my children to think about I'd have given up fighting mine long ago, it is a fight you never really win. A friend of mine up north has been teetotal now for over 20 years but still attends alcoholics anonymous, why? Because, in his words, the addiction changes every cell in your body and they never change back. He is petrified of taking another drink even after all this time, I don't want to end up like that.
Anyway, I should go up those apples and pears now to Beddington.
