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12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24

So when approaching a vehicle hogging the middle land of a motorway the highway code accepts that flashing your lights and sounding your horn is a perfectly normal way of alerting them of your presence.
You have turned this into someone acting aggressively and in a state of anger, on what basis do you make this psychological assumption without being present at the incident and without knowing the mindset of the person involved or the circumstances of the incident ? or in other words, how superior do you think you are to everyone else ?

Show me where in the Highway Code that it states that it is acceptable driving to drive up behind a car flashing your lights and sounding your horn in order to make the other driver move over.
"so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them. after all they are insecure drivers so are easily unerved and you don't even have to get close to them" ....these are your very own words. I'd say that is the act of someone acting aggressively in a state of anger!
You should really be careful about calling other people morons when you yourself come out with such moronic drivel.
Show me where I have stated I close to a car when I want them to move out of the middle lane and into the empty nearside lane, I prefer to do this from a distance so that they make the manouver before I get close enough to have to reduce my speed, I really don't want to drop from 70 to 50 driving behind them someone else who decides the scenario for themselves, I am quite capable of sitting a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of me, as I have said in here I do not tailgate, I assume that is done because it is what you do and you think everyone else does the same.
There:
"I am a patient driver, unless on the motorway behind a middle lane hogger then I just sit behind them flashing my lights and sounding my horn until they move over"
Quite obvious as to what you meant. You're now trying to backtrack. Now you show me where that driving is deemed acceptable in the Highway Code. I've now asked that question three times without receiving a response.
Also, Star never claimed to be driving at 50 mph in the middle lane.

12 Jun 2013

You have interpreted my words to read that I sit too close to the driver in front, that is presumptious and wrong on your part, there is no need to sit close to a vehicle to make your point (that you are there but it would be wise to be behind it, if I sat in the nearside lane and flashed my lights or sounded my horn the driver would probably be confused by the signal, you have interpreted my words to suit your needs, therefore the answer to your question is of no consequence since it does not apply to my conversation, but if you need educating on the matter, it does not say in the Highway Code that you should sit close to a vehicle when letting them know of your presence, you seem to have ignored my other posts where I have repeatedly said I do not tailgate. it is very easy to manipulate the written word but it isn't very clever, since I did not say I tailgate you cannot accuse me of it with any iota of proof. My words could have indicated that I sat close behind a vehicle or that I was a legal and safe distance from it, you have chosen to decide how far I am from a vehicle :sad:

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
You have interpreted my words to read that I sit too close to the driver in front, that is presumptious and wrong on your part, there is no need to sit close to a vehicle to make your point (that you are there but it would be wise to be behind it, if I sat in the nearside lane and flashed my lights or sounded my horn the driver would probably be confused by the signal, you have interpreted my words to suit your needs, therefore the answer to your question is of no consequence since it does not apply to my conversation, but if you need educating on the matter, it does not say in the Highway Code that you should sit close to a vehicle when letting them know of your presence, you seem to have ignored my other posts where I have repeatedly said I do not tailgate. it is very easy to manipulate the written word but it isn't very clever, since I did not say I tailgate you cannot accuse me of it with any iota of proof. My words could have indicated that I sat close behind a vehicle or that I was a legal and safe distance from it, you have chosen to decide how far I am from a vehicle :sad:

I have made no interpretation at all about the distance you claim to sit behind the car in front and neither have I accused you of tailgating. You really ought to learn to read properly. I have also not misinterpreted your words to suit myself. In two separate posts you expressly claim that you sit behind them and flash your lights and sound your horn in order to make them move over. You also claim that the Highway Code states that this is acceptable. I'm still waiting for you to show me where.
If you are sitting so far behind the car in front and flashing your lights, the flashing could quite easily be misinterpreted by other drivers in both the inside and outside lanes, thinking that you were either letting them in or out of their lanes. Whichever way you look at it, it's still bad driving and it's obviously you that's in need of education.

12 Jun 2013

i don't have a highway code here at the moment nor am I likely to in the near futures, however this is an extract from the website Flashing Your Headlights
According to the Highway Code the only valid use of flashing your headlights is to warn another road user of your presence.
Flashing your headlights is useful in situation where the horn wouldn't be heard such as when driving at speed on a busy motorway.
Never flash your headlights to try and intimidate other road users and never flash your headlights to give instructions. It is common for drivers to use the headlight flash as a signal to tell another road user that the way ahead is clear. However it is advisable that such signals are ignored. How can you be certain that the way ahead is clear or that this is what the flash was communicating? If you were to respond to flashing headlights this way or if you were to flash a driver to tell them that the way ahead is clear on your driving test would fail the test.
and this from the website
Flashing headlights highway code
The Highway Code states: 'Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.'
The Highway Code is basically suggesting that a driver may flash their headlights to warn other drivers of their presence if in a hazardous position, or to warn another person that may not have noticed you.
Being at least an estimated 2 chevrons from the vehicle in front of you I do not see how the driver hogging the middle lane could be confused, but there again I suppose I should take into account the fact that the driver is an idiot in the first place lol

12 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
i don't have a highway code here at the moment nor am I likely to in the near futures, however this is an extract from the website Your Headlights
According to the Highway Code the only valid use of flashing your headlights is to warn another road user of your presence.
Flashing your headlights is useful in situation where the horn wouldn't be heard such as when driving at speed on a busy motorway.
Never flash your headlights to try and intimidate other road users and never flash your headlights to give instructions. It is common for drivers to use the headlight flash as a signal to tell another road user that the way ahead is clear. However it is advisable that such signals are ignored. How can you be certain that the way ahead is clear or that this is what the flash was communicating? If you were to respond to flashing headlights this way or if you were to flash a driver to tell them that the way ahead is clear on your driving test would fail the test.

and this from the website
Flashing headlights highway code
The Highway Code states: 'Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.'
The Highway Code is basically suggesting that a driver may flash their headlights to warn other drivers of their presence if in a hazardous position, or to warn another person that may not have noticed you.
Being at least an estimated 2 chevrons from the vehicle in front of you I do not see how the driver hogging the middle lane could be confused, but there again I suppose I should take into account the fact that the driver is an idiot in the first place

As I said in my previous post, you really ought to learn to read properly. Everything you have quoted above validates all that I have said about your driving.
You thought you could claim the moral high ground over another poster's driving and smugly described how you treat the " insecure drivers who are easily unnerved" ie you attempt to bully them with moronic, aggressive driving which is contrary to the Highway Code.
Of course we should take into account that the driver of your vehicle is clearly an idiot!

12 Jun 2013

Your a liar and an idiot MAX you have no evidence to show that I intimidate other drivers you do not understand the Highway Code which recommends the flashing of lights or sounding of a horn to alert other drivers to your presence, you deny the evidence even when you request it and are shown it, there really is no point continuing a conversation with you. Grow up and grow a set admit your wrong as I have done in the past but not when I am right as I am in this case.
OR
Prove to me with evidence that I intimidate other drivers by driving too close to them, sounding my horn in manner that is intimidating or doing the same by simply flashing my lights to alert them to my presence and that I would like them to move over in accordance with the Highway Code and now the law. banghead

13 Jun 2013

C'est simple.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
There is absolutely no reason to sound your horn or flash your lights when approaching another vehicle from behind in the manner described by Mids.
To do so is excessively aggressive and adds to the problem. It most certainly doesn't resolve it.
As for the quite unnecesaary comment about growing a set..... Well, words fail me. As he is an ex military man, I would suggest Mids needs some bromide in his tea to calm him down wink

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Your a liar and an idiot MAX you have no evidence to show that I intimidate other drivers you do not understand the Highway Code which recommends the flashing of lights or sounding of a horn to alert other drivers to your presence, you deny the evidence even when you request it and are shown it, there really is no point continuing a conversation with you. Grow up and grow a set admit your wrong as I have done in the past but not when I am right as I am in this case.
OR
Prove to me with evidence that I intimidate other drivers by driving too close to them, sounding my horn in manner that is intimidating or doing the same by simply flashing my lights to alert them to my presence and that I would like them to move over in accordance with the Highway Code and now the law.

What part of "Never flash your headlights to try and intimidate other road users and never flash your headlights to give instructions" do you not understand?
I will leave it up to the other readers of this thread to make up their own minds as to who the idiot is and as for being a liar, there is only one poster that is now trying to backtrack on things that they said as they now realise that they make them out to be a complete and utter dick head.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by GnV
C'est simple.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
There is absolutely no reason to sound your horn or flash your lights when approaching another vehicle from behind in the manner described by Mids.
To do so is excessively aggressive and adds to the problem. It most certainly doesn't resolve it.
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Unfortunately there are idiots in our midst who are too stupid to realise this G.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by Max
in our midst

Presumably, no pun intended Max :lol2:

13 Jun 2013

Quote by GnV
in our midst

Presumably, no pun intended Max :lol2:
Ha ha, no far too early in the day to be able to claim it was intentional lol

13 Jun 2013

Patience has never been a strong trait of the driving public.
I must say though as I have got older arriving 10 minutes earlier has just meant I have started out earlier instead of speeding.

13 Jun 2013

The Highway code is wrong the all knowing Max is right all hail the Max God.
So Max when is it right to let another road user know you are there by flashing your lights or by sounding your horn ?
You are so good at asking questions and demanding answers but not so good at answering them.
I asked you what proof you have that I flash my lights or sound my horn in an aggressive manner, please provide this proof and answer this question ?
It is very clear that those insecure drivers who support hogging middle lanes as star and max do are trying to divert the thread away from themselves and change what has been written.
The thread is about the law and the changes to it, the Police, law makers, highway code writers and other bodies believe that hogging the middle lane is wrong and now it is an offence that carries penalties and not before time.
One might even see hogging the middle lane and refusing to move into the nearside lane to allow other vehicles to pas is aggressive driving, something which causes many problems daily on the two lane M54 motorway from the M6 to Shrewsbury or on 3 and 4 lane motorways when the outside lanes are heavily conjested.
Flashing my lights or sounding my horn in the manner that I do is not an offence what you do is an offence, do not preach to me Max that supporting law breaking is correct and driving within the guidelines of the Highway Code is wrong, here endeth the lesson.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by Max777
To answer the person who asks why I will not simply overtake a car hogging in the middle lane, that is not always possible, if the nearside lane is empty and I catch up with a vehicle using the middle lane doing let's say 50mph I have to move to the middle lane to overtake them, to move to the outside lane which may be busy is not so easy, so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them. after all they are insecure drivers so are easily unerved and you don't even have to get close to them.

If you were a half competent driver you would have made preparations to overtake the car in the middle lane well before the point of driving up its rear end. It's laughable that you accuse others of being lazy insecure drivers, driving instructors of not being up to the job and some drivers of thinking they're above the law when you yourself admit to moronic driving and adhering to speed limits when you feel like it.
Do you ever read back through some of the rubbish you write?
I will today wrote to my MP to have another overtaking lane added to the M54 Motorway to solve the problem as you have suggested I will of course tell them that it is your solution to the problem and that this will enable them to rescind the law regarding hogging an overtaking lane, I am sure everyone else in the UK that uses 2 lane Motorways will do the same because this is a much better idea than stopping people hogging overtaking lanes, have to say that this doesn't really concern me as I am a regular user of the M54 but not the other 2 lane motorways.
It is of course the only solution, 3 lanes, perhaps 4 or 5, because it is so wrong to follow the Highway Code and let drivers know you are there, I suppose of course you could sit comfortably and happily behind the vehicle blocking the lane at 50mph and this would never have a knock on effect to the vehicles behind you and the only solution you have suggested is to overtake the vehicle in front even though there may not be a lane for you to overtake them in or when there is the traffic in that overtaking lane may be heavily conj
ested OR you may be prevented by law from entering the 3rd lane subject to the type of vehicle you are driving.
Your solution to the problem has some serious flaws in it Max, do you ever read back through some of the rubbish you write ?
dunno

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
The Highway code is wrong the all knowing Max is right all hail the Max God.
So Max when is it right to let another road user know you are there by flashing your lights or by sounding your horn ?
You are so good at asking questions and demanding answers but not so good at answering them.
I asked you what proof you have that I flash my lights or sound my horn in an aggressive manner, please provide this proof and answer this question ?
It is very clear that those insecure drivers who support hogging middle lanes as star and max do are trying to divert the thread away from themselves and change what has been written.
The thread is about the law and the changes to it, the Police, law makers, highway code writers and other bodies believe that hogging the middle lane is wrong and now it is an offence that carries penalties and not before time.
One might even see hogging the middle lane and refusing to move into the nearside lane to allow other vehicles to pas is aggressive driving, something which causes many problems daily on the two lane M54 motorway from the M6 to Shrewsbury or on 3 and 4 lane motorways when the outside lanes are heavily conjested.
Flashing my lights or sounding my horn in the manner that I do is not an offence what you do is an offence, do not preach to me Max that supporting law breaking is correct and driving within the guidelines of the Highway Code is wrong, here endeth the lesson.

Please carry on ranting, all you're doing is proving beyond all doubt that you are a total idiot who is incapable of reading and comprehending anyone else's posts.

13 Jun 2013

Yes a MAX reply for sure, no solutions, no answers to the questions, no "oh yes I never thought about what happens on 2 lane motorways or for traffic that is not permitted in the 3rd lane" just scorn.
You are the best at telling people what they shouldn't do but can never justify what you say with fact and never come up with an alternative idea that could work.
Says a lot more about you than it does about me Max lol

13 Jun 2013

There is the real world and the world we would like to live in.
In the real world people often live their lives in a state of underlying stress, work, home, kids, even how you can afford the family holiday, will you get to work on time, will it be a good day or bad day, the weather.
Chances are that every motorway driver is suffering a little from stress.
Who is more wrong, the person that finds that stress hard to cope with and gets a little aggressive on occasions or the person that knowing the situation around them cares not one iota for anyone else and adds to the stress of others by hogging the middle lane.
I don't intimidate drivers, I believe the results are counter effective, but I can certainly understand why some people do, it is because they are human.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
There is the real world and the world we would like to live in.
In the real world people often live their lives in a state of underlying stress, work, home, kids, even how you can afford the family holiday, will you get to work on time, will it be a good day or bad day, the weather.
Chances are that every motorway driver is suffering a little from stress.
Who is more wrong, the person that finds that stress hard to cope with and gets a little aggressive on occasions or the person that knowing the situation around them cares not one iota for anyone else and adds to the stress of others by hogging the middle lane.
I don't intimidate drivers, I believe the results are counter effective, but I can certainly understand why some people do, it is because they are human.

If very motorway driver is suffering from stress (and I don't for one second believe that to be true), why in heaven's name add to it by speeding up behind them lights flashing and horn blaring loon

A more gentile approach is surely less stressful for you too....
As for when it is proper to sound your horn or flash your lights....
Well, if you don't know now, you never will rolleyes

I do suppose you actually passed a civilian driving test as opposed to a quick blast round the sand dunes in a centurion tank all guns blazing?

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes a MAX reply for sure, no solutions, no answers to the questions, no "oh yes I never thought about what happens on 2 lane motorways or for traffic that is not permitted in the 3rd lane" just scorn.
You are the best at telling people what they shouldn't do but can never justify what you say with fact and never come up with an alternative idea that could work.
Says a lot more about you than it does about me Max

Keep going... One day you may even learn how to construct a coherent argument!

13 Jun 2013

Quote by Max777
Yes a MAX reply for sure, no solutions, no answers to the questions, no "oh yes I never thought about what happens on 2 lane motorways or for traffic that is not permitted in the 3rd lane" just scorn.
You are the best at telling people what they shouldn't do but can never justify what you say with fact and never come up with an alternative idea that could work.
Says a lot more about you than it does about me Max

Keep going... One day you may even learn how to construct a coherent argument!
There is only one way to settle this ....
*takes Max to her left side & Midscouple to the right and leads them to the SH Urinals*
Right stand back 3 paces, no cheating now ....Ok, the one that can pee up the wall the furthest wins ok?
You both have opinion, both obviously differ to the other but why oh why oh why (did I say that enough?) you have to A/ Make things so personal all the time and B/ Keep on bleating about what is pretty much the same point......well it's anyones guess.
Anyway, on your marks ....

13 Jun 2013

GnV please show me where I have said I would speed up behind them flash my lights repeatedly and blast away at my horn.
Then please tell me why you would follow them to their destination to complement them on their driving (I assume you do just as you assume you know what I do)

13 Jun 2013

Quote by Toots
Yes a MAX reply for sure, no solutions, no answers to the questions, no "oh yes I never thought about what happens on 2 lane motorways or for traffic that is not permitted in the 3rd lane" just scorn.
You are the best at telling people what they shouldn't do but can never justify what you say with fact and never come up with an alternative idea that could work.
Says a lot more about you than it does about me Max

Keep going... One day you may even learn how to construct a coherent argument!
There is only one way to settle this ....
*takes Max to her left side & Midscouple to the right and leads them to the SH Urinals*
Right stand back 3 paces, no cheating now ....Ok, the one that can pee up the wall the furthest wins ok?
You both have opinion, both obviously differ to the other but why oh why oh why (did I say that enough?) you have to A/ Make things so personal all the time and B/ Keep on bleating about what is pretty much the same point......well it's anyones guess.
Anyway, on your marks ....
Because they are always demanding an answer to their questions or proof of what people say yet when challenged to do the same they never actually do, in this thread Max says "I have asked you three times to show me in the Highway Code blah blah blah, and I did but he still won't answer my questions, GnV will not show me where I made the statement he quotes me on, they just like to argue without reason or basis and will call black, white if it suits them, they are children playing in the forums and it ruins good discussion.
Shame the forums are not like the chatrooms where when you block someone you dont have to read what they write and vice versa, perhaps then more people would use the forums instead of fearing to do so because they know they will be ridiculed and questioned like some sort of Spannish Inquisition by people unqualified and too stupid to ask such questions.

13 Jun 2013

I for one am just astounded by the double standards here. I have to say I agree completely with Max on this subject, but had I have said some of the things to another member on here that Max has said to Mids, and the other way around, I would be on yet another ban.
There is just no consistency here whatsoever. My last ban I asked what it was for and was refused an answer. I had another member contact me to ask what it was for as they looked back over my posts and could see nothing at all, and yet the slagging off that is now going unpunished when I would have been banned for it is laughable. Whilst I would never stick up for Flower, I can understand why he was pissed with being banned for calling someone a doughnut and then not appologising. Does it all depend who is on what shift here?
I am not asking for anyone to be banned for anything said in this thread or in fact any other thread, but what I am asking for is a bit of fecking consistency from the site.
I am going to, and have so far succeeded to refrain from answering any question from the member that runs to admin at the slightest drop of a nose drop, at least that way I have half a chance of yet not another ban, but the next ban had better be a permanent one as I won't be back.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
GnV please show me where I have said I would speed up behind them flash my lights repeatedly and blast away at my horn.
Then please tell me why you would follow them to their destination to complement them on their driving (I assume you do just as you assume you know what I do)

Fucking grow up Mids rolleyes

My last contribution to this thread.... I think everyone else has left the room too so feel free to argue with yourself.

13 Jun 2013

Ha ha ha couldn't answer that one then eh GnV, couldn't find an answer to the accusation ?
"Grow Up" giggles I love it, all the accusations about talking crap on here, all the accusations about contradicting oneself or getting things wrong and the Gods cannot even find the answers to the questions.

13 Jun 2013

Here:
Max has already pointed it out to you but you seemingly need to be told not only once but twice.

Quote by Max777

Show me where I have stated I close to a car when I want them to move out of the middle lane and into the empty nearside lane, I prefer to do this from a distance so that they make the manouver before I get close enough to have to reduce my speed, I really don't want to drop from 70 to 50 driving behind them someone else who decides the scenario for themselves, I am quite capable of sitting a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of me, as I have said in here I do not tailgate, I assume that is done because it is what you do and you think everyone else does the same.

There:
"I am a patient driver, unless on the motorway behind a middle lane hogger then I just sit behind them flashing my lights and sounding my horn until they move over"
Quite obvious as to what you meant. You're now trying to backtrack. Now you show me where that driving is deemed acceptable in the Highway Code. I've now asked that question three times without receiving a response.
Also, Star never claimed to be driving at 50 mph in the middle lane.

13 Jun 2013

And Mids, just in case you missed it...

Quote by Mids on 13 June 2013 at 10:50am
so yes I sound my horn, flash my lights and let the idiot in the middle lane with no reason not to move to the nearside lane that I would like them to do so, some ignore you but not for long, they start to get embarrassed at the attention your bringing to them.

But then, just to be absolutely sure...
You originally wrote it on 10 June at 9:47am
So what's your pathetic excuse this time?

13 Jun 2013

This thread needs locking. It has got way too personal.
However, and somewhat ironically, it probably reflects road attitudes in as much as everyone thinks that they are in the right and has a major problem with anyone else who does not drive in exactly the same way.
Seeing and sometimes being on the receiving end of "I am right and fuck everyone else" attitude is very much part of the experience of driving on Britains roads.

13 Jun 2013

Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes a MAX reply for sure, no solutions, no answers to the questions, no "oh yes I never thought about what happens on 2 lane motorways or for traffic that is not permitted in the 3rd lane" just scorn.
You are the best at telling people what they shouldn't do but can never justify what you say with fact and never come up with an alternative idea that could work.
Says a lot more about you than it does about me Max

Keep going... One day you may even learn how to construct a coherent argument!
There is only one way to settle this ....
*takes Max to her left side & Midscouple to the right and leads them to the SH Urinals*
Right stand back 3 paces, no cheating now ....Ok, the one that can pee up the wall the furthest wins ok?
You both have opinion, both obviously differ to the other but why oh why oh why (did I say that enough?) you have to A/ Make things so personal all the time and B/ Keep on bleating about what is pretty much the same point......well it's anyones guess.
Anyway, on your marks ....
Because they are always demanding an answer to their questions or proof of what people say yet when challenged to do the same they never actually do, in this thread Max says "I have asked you three times to show me in the Highway Code blah blah blah, and I did but he still won't answer my questions, GnV will not show me where I made the statement he quotes me on, they just like to argue without reason or basis and will call black, white if it suits them, they are children playing in the forums and it ruins good discussion.
Shame the forums are not like the chatrooms where when you block someone you dont have to read what they write and vice versa, perhaps then more people would use the forums instead of fearing to do so because they know they will be ridiculed and questioned like some sort of Spannish Inquisition by people unqualified and too stupid to ask such questions.
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13 Jun 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I for one am just astounded by the double standards here. I have to say I agree completely with Max on this subject, but had I have said some of the things to another member on here that Max has said to Mids, and the other way around, I would be on yet another ban.
There is just no consistency here whatsoever. My last ban I asked what it was for and was refused an answer. I had another member contact me to ask what it was for as they looked back over my posts and could see nothing at all, and yet the slagging off that is now going unpunished when I would have been banned for it is laughable. Whilst I would never stick up for Flower, I can understand why he was pissed with being banned for calling someone a doughnut and then not appologising. Does it all depend who is on what shift here?
I am not asking for anyone to be banned for anything said in this thread or in fact any other thread, but what I am asking for is a bit of fecking consistency from the site.
I am going to, and have so far succeeded to refrain from answering any question from the member that runs to admin at the slightest drop of a nose drop, at least that way I have half a chance of yet not another ban, but the next ban had better be a permanent one as I won't be back.

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