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Lizaleanrob
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Quote by awayman
Did I not read that he is only donating the profits to the RBL.
Call me a cynic, but profits are somewhat different to proceeds....
The grinning lying cheating toe rag is off on another one by all accounts. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (if he were reachable that is!).
Guilty conscience? too fucking right but only to a certain extent :grin:

he can't donate the proceeds - he's not the publisher or the retailer. All he can donate is his advance, and any further payments under the contract. Which he has done.
I don't remember Thatcher donating anything from her books to Falklands veterans.
i don't think thatcher would have felt any guilt regarding the Falklands
based on the fact it was a justified war in most eyes
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Quote by kentswingers777
Name me one instance in recent history where Buck House has gone against his/her Government?
Blair had a huge majority in Parliament and like in many other cases his MP's would have been forced to vote for the Government.
So yes he did have the final say.
I may be wrong but I think Labour would have won even if all other MP's would have voted against the Government.
He could have railroaded his way into war but did not need to as he had the support of the vast majority of MP's.

1975.
Dismissal of the Australian Prime Minister by the governor general.
Thank God for Google eh?
An education, dear chap. Gough Whitlam's book is in my attic, along with about thirty others on Australian politics and history.
Do you print books? Or pizza adverts? I do hope my bibliophile inclinations aren't keeping you in work.
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Quote by Lizaleanrob
Did I not read that he is only donating the profits to the RBL.
Call me a cynic, but profits are somewhat different to proceeds....
The grinning lying cheating toe rag is off on another one by all accounts. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (if he were reachable that is!).
Guilty conscience? too fucking right but only to a certain extent :grin:

he can't donate the proceeds - he's not the publisher or the retailer. All he can donate is his advance, and any further payments under the contract. Which he has done.
I don't remember Thatcher donating anything from her books to Falklands veterans.
i don't think thatcher would have felt any guilt regarding the Falklands
based on the fact it was a justified war in most eyes
And some of us think she recklessly caused it, deliberately exacerbated it and shamelessly used it to her political advantage.
opinions, eh?
GnV
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Quote by awayman
snip...
And some of us think she recklessly caused it, deliberately exacerbated it and shamelessly used it to her political advantage.
opinions, eh?

It worked then wink
Lizaleanrob
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Quote by GnV
snip...
And some of us think she recklessly caused it, deliberately exacerbated it and shamelessly used it to her political advantage.
opinions, eh?

It worked then wink
yes it did gnv
unlike Blair who used the wmd fiction in the hope it would make him like the person he most aspired to be (thatcher )
blair sold out labour and effectively created new tory .
he pretty much blundered his way through office till neck deep in shit and then handed brown the baffon the keys to a sewerage works
brown in his desperation to become all important took the keys like a 2 year old would take a mars bar instead of a 50 pound note
and just goes to show if you have the mentality of a two year old then you got a job in labour for life
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Quote by awayman
An education, dear chap. Gough Whitlam's book is in my attic, along with about thirty others on Australian politics and history.
Do you print books? Or pizza adverts? I do hope my bibliophile inclinations aren't keeping you in work.

You really are full of that brown stuff..... lol
You say an education and I say Google. You nor I can prove any different but you have such a wide range of opinions on such a wide range of subjects that either you are a smart arse, or as I suggest a Google king.
Whether I print Pizza adverts or anything else, it keeps people in work, pays for my many lovely things, and my early retirement.
Others I suggest are just happy to sit and Google and then let others think that are know alls, when in fact that they are no more cleverer than the next Google king.
Are you a solicitor today or a council expert, or a biologist? Blimey if only GB created talent so brilliant as in your case...we would rule the world.
"un peu trop malin"
Google itare you you an expert in French too?:grin:
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Quote by kentswingers777
An education, dear chap. Gough Whitlam's book is in my attic, along with about thirty others on Australian politics and history.
Do you print books? Or pizza adverts? I do hope my bibliophile inclinations aren't keeping you in work.

You really are full of that brown stuff..... lol
You say an education and I say Google. You nor I can prove any different but you have such a wide range of opinions on such a wide range of subjects that either you are a smart arse, or as I suggest a Google king.
Whether I print Pizza adverts or anything else, it keeps people in work, pays for my many lovely things, and my early retirement.
Others I suggest are just happy to sit and Google and then let others think that are know alls, when in fact that they are no more cleverer than the next Google king.
Are you a solicitor today or a council expert, or a biologist? Blimey if only GB created talent so brilliant as in your case...we would rule the world.
"un peu trop malin"
Google itare you you an expert in French too?:grin:
Nope, I don't speak French.
I am not a solicitor, never have been, and have never said I am.
Do I know a lot about local government? Yes.
Am I a biologist? No, but I am widely read on evolutionary science, palaeontology and the history (and arguably, historiograpy) of the science of evolution.
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes?
GnV
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Quote by awayman
snip...
Nope, I don't speak French.
I am not a solicitor, never have been, and have never said I am.
Do I know a lot about local government? Yes.
Am I a biologist? No, but I am widely read on evolutionary science, palaeontology and the history (and arguably, historiograpy) of the science of evolution.
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes?

Nowt wrong with a bit of honest travail... and it's presumably not illegal to print them
Lizaleanrob
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Quote by GnV
snip...
Nope, I don't speak French.
I am not a solicitor, never have been, and have never said I am.
Do I know a lot about local government? Yes.
Am I a biologist? No, but I am widely read on evolutionary science, palaeontology and the history (and arguably, historiograpy) of the science of evolution.
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes?

Nowt wrong with a bit of honest travail... and it's presumably not illegal to print them
can't remember the last time a see a phone box let alone one with a tarts card in
1990 in london i think on the A40 iirc
nice area some people live in wink
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Quote by awayman
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes

Did you Google that snippet from a blog somewhere, or was it by your own hands?
A phone box? Do they have them around where you live?
Whatever I do or do not print, it brings in loadsa money.........Got the pool man coming around on Saturday, still I can afford it as those thickys who pay me the money...more fool them eh?
Still it is me that is laughing.....all the way to the bank matey.
Still my therapist gets some of my money, I can put in a good word for anyone who may need him. :twisted:
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Quote by kentswingers777
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes

Did you Google that snippet from a blog somewhere, or was it by your own hands?
A phone box? Do they have them around where you live?
Whatever I do or do not print, it brings in loadsa money.........Got the pool man coming around on Saturday, still I can afford it as those thickys who pay me the money...more fool them eh?
Still it is me that is laughing.....all the way to the bank matey.
Still my therapist gets some of my money, I can put in a good word for anyone who may need him. :twisted:
Is that a yes or a no to the tart cards then Ken?
A pool man eh? My, I'm nearly as impressed as when you told me you were a higher rate tax payer just like me....
Unknown User
Quote by awayman
Off you go Ken, someone must need a flyer for their pizza shop. Do you do tart cards for phone boxes

Did you Google that snippet from a blog somewhere, or was it by your own hands?
A phone box? Do they have them around where you live?
Whatever I do or do not print, it brings in loadsa money.........Got the pool man coming around on Saturday, still I can afford it as those thickys who pay me the money...more fool them eh?
Still it is me that is laughing.....all the way to the bank matey.
Still my therapist gets some of my money, I can put in a good word for anyone who may need him. :twisted:
Is that a yes or a no to the tart cards then Ken?
A pool man eh? My, I'm nearly as impressed as when you told me you were a higher rate tax payer just like me....
I will print whatever anyone is prepared to pay for.
As I have stated already...full of the brown stuff.:grin:
Staggerlee_BB
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Shouldn't that be spelt Poole ......my all the way from Dorset just to see Ken....what an honour
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Is that the best you can come up with Staggs....my my matey your well slipping down the ladder.
Toodle pip old chum. lol
Bluefish2009
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Quote by Dave__Notts

I have to differ, as I have said here before,
My view is, that had the navy listened to Churchill and continued to force the Dardanelles as he wished, things would have been very different indeed. There are many commentators and historians who believe this would have paid dividends, As the Turks were low on heavy shells and moral had hit rock bottom, and ready to give up in fact.
Therefore was its Churchill's mistake that really lead to those deaths? It is all open to interpretation.

It depends whose history you read Blue. Half the heavy ships had been sunk or crippled on the first try. The Turks may have been out of heavy shells but they had successfully mined the lanes and escape routes.
The Turks could lob shells but the ships could only fire on a flat trajectory. The Brit shells were going over the prepared positions.
As for the moral......ours was higher before the battle, but the Turks moral soon raised when they realised that their prepared positions were strong.
IMO the rest of the fleet would have been sunk if they tried to keep forcing the Dardanelles........but since it was never tried again then nobody can be sure
Dave_Notts
We will have to agree to dissagree lol
As a consequence of de Robeck's stance, not to continue with the attack, he came under sustained criticism from those who felt that he had in effect doomed the whole Dardanelles campaign to failure.
*Quote* For all that the naval attempts had failed the Turkish defenders had run critically short of ammunition. Liman von Sanders, the German officer appointed in March to take charge of defensive operations, suspected that a follow-up attack by the Allies might well succeed. He was consequently elated once realisation dawned that no follow-up assault was forthcoming.
That quote, by a man on the ground, in charge , at the time, leads me to believe, had they continued as Churchill wished things would have been so very different.
*Quote* Churchill had anticipated losses and considered them a necessary tactical price. In June 1915, he discussed the campaign with the war correspondent Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett, who had returned to London to deliver uncensored reports. Ashmead-Bartlett was incensed at the loss of ships and lives but Churchill responded: That is not the point! They ought to have gone on. What did it matter if more ships were lost? The ships were old and useless. To place the losses into perspective, the Navy ordered 600 new ships during the period Admiral Fisher was First Sea Lord, approximately corresponding with the length of the Dardanelles campaign
Maybe more lives could have been saved had they listened!
As you say Dave, things can be seen from many angles. wink
Staggerlee_BB
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Damn you hoist by my own petard.....how can I possibly compete ......I shall google a link
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Damn you hoist by my own petard.....how can I possibly compete ......I shall google a link

Is that not Awaymans job?
Ask him for some sound advice....as he is very good at it...apparently. wink
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Quote by kentswingers777
Damn you hoist by my own petard.....how can I possibly compete ......I shall google a link

Is that not Awaymans job?
Ask him for some sound advice....as he is very good at it...apparently. wink
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Ken darling you're getting obsessive.
You keep claiming I'm full of brown stuff, that I just google everything - are you so scared of the mods you won't just come right out and insult me like you and your acolytes would like to? You've given up trying to refute anything I say and you just go with the veiled insults. It's a bit sad really.
Dave__Notts
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Quote by Bluefish2009
We will have to agree to dissagree lol
As a consequence of de Robeck's stance, not to continue with the attack, he came under sustained criticism from those who felt that he had in effect doomed the whole Dardanelles campaign to failure.
*Quote* For all that the naval attempts had failed the Turkish defenders had run critically short of ammunition. Liman von Sanders, the German officer appointed in March to take charge of defensive operations, suspected that a follow-up attack by the Allies might well succeed. He was consequently elated once realisation dawned that no follow-up assault was forthcoming.
That quote, by a man on the ground, in charge , at the time, leads me to believe, had they continued as Churchill wished things would have been so very different.
*Quote* Churchill had anticipated losses and considered them a necessary tactical price. In June 1915, he discussed the campaign with the war correspondent Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett, who had returned to London to deliver uncensored reports. Ashmead-Bartlett was incensed at the loss of ships and lives but Churchill responded: That is not the point! They ought to have gone on. What did it matter if more ships were lost? The ships were old and useless. To place the losses into perspective, the Navy ordered 600 new ships during the period Admiral Fisher was First Sea Lord, approximately corresponding with the length of the Dardanelles campaign
Maybe more lives could have been saved had they listened!
As you say Dave, things can be seen from many angles. wink

The historians and those on the ground were willing to take a gamble with the navy. It may or may not have worked, but after the first try the Turks had the measure of them. They still had the shells at that point. They could have run out, they may not of. Nobody knows. It is a close run thing when having to have the ammunition available, this is the main problem of any conflict. Many battles have been won or lost by runing out of ammo but in this instance it was never played out so we will never know.
Even wth hindsight and knowing they were low on shells (low not empty) it was still a very risky business. A famous Chinese fellah once said "In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. It is sufficient if you do not advance relying on sheer military power." So Churchy baby was going against one of the oldest miltary maxims. This is taught in the military colleges across Europe and the USA. Just shows that he may be a great orator but he was just a rank amateur when it came to military decisions
Dave_Notts
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts

We will have to agree to dissagree lol
As a consequence of de Robeck's stance, not to continue with the attack, he came under sustained criticism from those who felt that he had in effect doomed the whole Dardanelles campaign to failure.
*Quote* For all that the naval attempts had failed the Turkish defenders had run critically short of ammunition. Liman von Sanders, the German officer appointed in March to take charge of defensive operations, suspected that a follow-up attack by the Allies might well succeed. He was consequently elated once realisation dawned that no follow-up assault was forthcoming.
That quote, by a man on the ground, in charge , at the time, leads me to believe, had they continued as Churchill wished things would have been so very different.
*Quote* Churchill had anticipated losses and considered them a necessary tactical price. In June 1915, he discussed the campaign with the war correspondent Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett, who had returned to London to deliver uncensored reports. Ashmead-Bartlett was incensed at the loss of ships and lives but Churchill responded: That is not the point! They ought to have gone on. What did it matter if more ships were lost? The ships were old and useless. To place the losses into perspective, the Navy ordered 600 new ships during the period Admiral Fisher was First Sea Lord, approximately corresponding with the length of the Dardanelles campaign
Maybe more lives could have been saved had they listened!
As you say Dave, things can be seen from many angles. wink

The historians and those on the ground were willing to take a gamble with the navy. It may or may not have worked, but after the first try the Turks had the measure of them. They still had the shells at that point. They could have run out, they may not of. Nobody knows. It is a close run thing when having to have the ammunition available, this is the main problem of any conflict. Many battles have been won or lost by runing out of ammo but in this instance it was never played out so we will never know.
Even wth hindsight and knowing they were low on shells (low not empty) it was still a very risky business. A famous Chinese fellah once said "In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. It is sufficient if you do not advance relying on sheer military power." So Churchy baby was going against one of the oldest miltary maxims. This is taught in the military colleges across Europe and the USA. Just shows that he may be a great orator but he was just a rank amateur when it came to military decisions
Dave_Notts
I hear what your saying Dave, but I am more inclind to go with the veiw point of the man who was on the ground at the time,
*Quote* For all that the naval attempts had failed the Turkish defenders had run critically short of ammunition. Liman von Sanders, the German officer appointed in March to take charge of defensive operations, suspected that a follow-up attack by the Allies might well succeed. He was consequently elated once realisation dawned that no follow-up assault was forthcoming.
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Quote by awayman
Ken darling you're getting obsessive.
You keep claiming I'm full of brown stuff, that I just google everything - are you so scared of the mods you won't just come right out and insult me like you and your acolytes would like to? You've given up trying to refute anything I say and you just go with the veiled insults. It's a bit sad really.

Not obsessive old chap, I leave that to things I care about.
Of course I would like to say a bit more but value my membership on here, and to be completely honest a tiff with your good self is certainly not worth that, even though I am sure you would love me too....to see me banned.
The mods will tell you no doubt I am certainly not scared of them, in fact they see baiting and goading from all sides, so I am not the only guilty one....am I? lol
You see this is why I have asked you many times not to continue with crap on here but take it to private pm...so on that note unless you wish to do that I bid you goodnight, and pleasant dreams.
Now can we just leave this and get on with debating the topic of the thread, somehow I doubt you will though.
Bluefish2009
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Quote by kentswingers777
Ken darling you're getting obsessive.
You keep claiming I'm full of brown stuff, that I just google everything - are you so scared of the mods you won't just come right out and insult me like you and your acolytes would like to? You've given up trying to refute anything I say and you just go with the veiled insults. It's a bit sad really.

Not obsessive old chap, I leave that to things I care about.
Of course I would like to say a bit more but value my membership on here, and to be completely honest a tiff with your good self is certainly not worth that, even though I am sure you would love me too....to see me banned.
The mods will tell you no doubt I am certainly not scared of them, in fact they see baiting and goading from all sides, so I am not the only guilty one....am I? lol
You see this is why I have asked you many times not to continue with crap on here but take it to private pm...so on that note unless you wish to do that I bid you goodnight, and pleasant dreams.
Now can we just leave this and get on with debating the topic of the thread, somehow I doubt you will though.
:thumbup:
Dave__Notts
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Quote by Bluefish2009
I hear what your saying Dave, but I am more inclind to go with the veiw point of the man who was on the ground at the time,
*Quote* For all that the naval attempts had failed the Turkish defenders had run critically short of ammunition. Liman von Sanders, the German officer appointed in March to take charge of defensive operations, suspected that a follow-up attack by the Allies might well succeed. He was consequently elated once realisation dawned that no follow-up assault was forthcoming.

The words you higlighted are might well succeed,not will succeed. They had doubts as well.
There were a lot of ifs and buts for that to work. The remaining shells had to miss, they had to run out, they had to miss the mines, etc, etc. Too many factors to guarantee success.......thats why I said the military maxim. Churchy was a gambler........and it was with others lives that he done it.
Dave_Notts
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Thats what my dad reckoned too.
Dave__Notts
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Quote by kentswingers777
The mods will tell you no doubt I am certainly not scared of them

Why should anybody be scared of a Mod on this site? They are here to ensure the smooth running of the site and deal with breaches of the AUP. Nobody should be scared of anybody who is here to help other members of the site. dunno
Dave_Notts
Staggerlee_BB
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I'm terrified of the mods......it's the parkas and scooters that do it
GnV
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I'm terrified of the mods......it's the parkas and scooters that do it

scary... :scared:
GnV
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Quote by Kaznkev
I'm terrified of the mods......it's the parkas and scooters that do it

rotflmao
i find forums such as this so interesting because people have such different knowledge and backgrounds,look at me,i have been a school dinner lady,podium dancer,nursery teacher,waitress at the groucho,and thats just the paid work.
i never assume people have googled,just that they may know things i dont.
did you leave your marx?
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Why should anybody be scared of a Mod on this site

Do not know why you aimed that one at me Davey.
It was in reply to somebody else....
Quote by Google
are you so scared of the mods you won't just come right out and insult me

The insinuation was that I was scared of the Mods on here, that is why I do not insult him as am afraid of the consequences....that was I think the jist of his argument.
To insult is not my intention honest Guv.
Obviously I along with others maybe do not insult someone as they would really like too. It has nothing to do with the Mods but the AUP, which when broken usually means a holiday. lol
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Why would one wish to insult anyone involved in a political debate on a swinging forum? Its not gonna help ya get a shag is it?