TUC Congress: Public will back us against cuts - Barber

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Naughtypharaoh
Yet, the revolution will occur in the UK in about 15 - 18yrs when people realize that due to over subscription (is that the correct term?) of the Under Graduate University System tooo many people will have degrees but will be working in really really low paid jobs. Some will accept this, others will try to move abroad but others will start to commit suicide. At first a few then loads.... all with 2:1's & 1st...!!

Bit of an extreme prediction there confused

And I don't agree that the British are spineless wimps or selfish - that's a very sweeping statement.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Bit of an extreme prediction there
And I don't agree that the British are spineless wimps or selfish - that's a very sweeping statement.

Alright, the cuts going to be made are illegal.
According to UK Law any Public Sector Cuts made by either Local or Central Government need to do something called Impact Assesments.
These look at how the mentioned cuts will deal the worse off in our society...
Old, non-White (like me), Disabilites (again like me) & Women.
As people in these groups don't really do well in a 'normal society'.
Are we as a nation kicking-off asking questions like...
If we have borrowed cash & are in debt whom are we paying the Cash back to? I don't know do you? I want German / French style marches how can any man that's been born with a Sliver Spoon tell me how live my life. Does he know about hardship or street-life?
Yet, our current Government & the National Media (expect Channel 4 News*) have not mentioned this legal fact. The Government just say 'its the biggest threat to OUR Nation since World War 2' so action needs to be done NOW.
All done by men whom just want to force 25yrs of Ecomimc Policy in just 4yrs (think about the maddness of this fact) that connects to their thinking on us.
If things get worse, I'll still be alive breathing & the weather will still be rubbish with all us moaning about it.
It seems people have 'short memory chips or broken one's'...it was the Banking System & NOT the Public Sector that created this but we are paying for their almighty fook-up.... but history happens in cycles so expect another bail-out in 18 -20yrs time.
* If you want News with no angle watch Channel 4 News as the BBC just now kisses the arse of whoever is in or just before an election who they think will Win & Sky News... sorry looks great but who's the Boss..!!

6 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Just like going back to the bad old days...

Now this is a real thug.....or maybe he is not to some??

kent,
I've always had a saying...
you're either a Socialist or a Capitalist.
Forget all this rubbish about 'the centre ground of Politics'.
Things in life do have sections of grey but in this respect every person is if they relaize it or not in one camp or the other.
Therefore, if you think people that work on the Tube shouldn't strike cause the popualtion of London depends on them just get rid of Trade Unions & let's take this nation back to the days pre-Trade Union Movement or as I like to call them...
Sheriff of Notingham era.
Do as your told, shut your mouth & don't show any sign of disrespect.
If the Government needs to bail-out the Banking Sector AGAIN in possibly less than 12mths from now things are going to get interesting maybe even you might join me in a March against it.
As always Kent, I don't at times dig your views but you put them out & I respect you for having such passion.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Naughtypharaoh
Just like going back to the bad old days...

Now this is a real thug.....or maybe he is not to some??

kent,
I've always had a saying...
you're either a Socialist or a Capitalist.
Forget all this rubbish about 'the centre ground of Politics'.
Things in life do have sections of grey but in this respect every person is if they relaize it or not in one camp or the other.
Therefore, if you think people that work on the Tube shouldn't strike cause the popualtion of London depends on them just get rid of Trade Unions & let's take this nation back to the days pre-Trade Union Movement or as I like to call them...
Sheriff of Notingham era.
Do as your told, shut your mouth & don't show any sign of disrespect.
If the Government needs to bail-out the Banking Sector AGAIN in possibly less than 12mths from now things are going to get interesting maybe even you might join me in a March against it.
As always Kent, I don't at times dig your views but you put them out & I respect you for having such passion.
Thanks Naughty.
Yes center politics is a strange one at times, or is it really sitting on the fence politics?
The underground strikes are needless and has been said already that a leading union official has already been arrested for intimidating workers trying to go about doing their job.
I do not want to see the trade unions curtailed too much, but what I would like to see is unions not having hard line union leaders like Mr thug...Bob Crow.
Boris has it right by saying that at least 50% of the union members should vote before it becomes legal.
I am and never will be a Socialist, as Socialism is fine as long as there is the money to pay for it, which usually comes direct from Capitalists....strange that I think.
Nice to see you in the CA part of the forums though.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Naughtypharaoh

Bit of an extreme prediction there
And I don't agree that the British are spineless wimps or selfish - that's a very sweeping statement.

Alright, the cuts going to be made are illegal.
According to UK Law any Public Sector Cuts made by either Local or Central Government need to do something called Impact Assesments.
These look at how the mentioned cuts will deal the worse off in our society...
Old, non-White (like me), Disabilites (again like me) & Women.
As people in these groups don't really do well in a 'normal society'.
Are we as a nation kicking-off asking questions like...
If we have borrowed cash & are in debt whom are we paying the Cash back to? I don't know do you? I want German / French style marches how can any man that's been born with a Sliver Spoon tell me how live my life. Does he know about hardship or street-life?
Yet, our current Government & the National Media (expect Channel 4 News*) have not mentioned this legal fact. The Government just say 'its the biggest threat to OUR Nation since World War 2' so action needs to be done NOW.
All done by men whom just want to force 25yrs of Ecomimc Policy in just 4yrs (think about the maddness of this fact) that connects to their thinking on us.
If things get worse, I'll still be alive breathing & the weather will still be rubbish with all us moaning about it.
It seems people have 'short memory chips or broken one's'...it was the Banking System & NOT the Public Sector that created this but we are paying for their almighty fook-up.... but history happens in cycles so expect another bail-out in 18 -20yrs time.
* If you want News with no angle watch Channel 4 News as the BBC just now kisses the arse of whoever is in or just before an election who they think will Win & Sky News... sorry looks great but who's the Boss..!!
And how do you know what's going on in government, behind closed doors? Just because only channel 4 have mentioned it, doesn't mean that it hasn't been discussed by politicians/other people who represent us? If channel 4 know, I'd be pretty sure that government people know and will be bound to act upon it. And what does that have to do with graduates committing suicide? Or British being (in your words) spineless or selfish? As I said, very sweeping statements and wild predictions.
Oh, and I'm a woman and I do well in 'normal society'.

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Oh, and I'm a woman and I do well in 'normal society'.

You don't do too badly in an "alternate" one either :mrgreen:

6 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
Oh, and I'm a woman and I do well in 'normal society'.

You don't do too badly in an "alternate" one either :mrgreen:
lol

I know!

6 Oct 2010

Quote by Naughtypharaoh
it was the Banking System & NOT the Public Sector that created this but we are paying for their almighty fook-up!

So a global recession which hits trade, increasing immigration causing an increased pressure on our societies infrastructure, a wasteful government (you only need to see how much investment is required in education, health, transport, armed forces etc to show that the government have long been spending money they just dont have, and in many cases, wasting that money), a sharp increase in public sector employment and budgets are not factors that has caused this country to be drop to it's knees?
It is purely bankers?
If you truly believe that, then I would suggest you are blinkered to the other problems that exist.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by flower411
you're either a Socialist or a Capitalist.

Well ......that has to be just about the biggest load of bollocks you`ve ever muttered on here !!! And there`s been some !! lol

I`m not a capitalist or a socialist ....... I rather hope there isn`t a label for me but I`ve been called everything from fascist to anarchist and beyond ......so think again ....there are no absolutes in any of this but it is inevitable that "democracy" has had it`s day and things will change.
How is that according to you 'bollocks'?
Either as an individual you go with either...
Society is going out of control in terms of people demanding more money due to the price of things always increasing & things Political must be done to halt this. Another version is how the 'Target Driven Society' is actually making life worse not better for people. Private Sector inc. powerful Mega-Captains of Industry have far too much power / influence in the Society due to their wealth thus being a threat or actually destroying Democracy as they eventually want to rule in a 'Sheriff of Nottingham' style..
OR
Governments inc. Public Sector 'parent' the population far too much holding people back in Social Economic terms. Once Government control is less, the population will have to fend for itself thus discovering new skills & talents.
Economy increases therefore Tax's do & the Hospitals, Schools, Roads are better than ever. Therefore the pursuit & collection of Money set's people free & improves the quality of their lives.
As I said every person is either in one or the other & to say that your not is in my opinion bollocks.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Boris has it right by saying that at least 50% of the union members should vote before it becomes legal.

I agree with that if as an example just 22% of the total Union Membership actually bothered to vote; then a Strike shouldn't be allowed.
I would go with % of actual Members would always have to Vote before a Strike is allowed. Also, a Independent Department should have been created years ago looking at how to prevent Strikes that could have a negative effect of the Population; via long negotiation / investigation.
So if a Boss of a Transport Company was behaving like an utter Tool then this information would be proven OR if a Union Boss just wanted the 'lime-light' then their motives would be exposed.
What's happened to logic in this Society?

7 Oct 2010

Quote by flower411

I've always had a saying...
you're either a Socialist or a Capitalist.

Well ......that has to be just about the biggest load of bollocks you`ve ever muttered on here !!! And there`s been some !! lol

I`m not a capitalist or a socialist ....... I rather hope there isn`t a label for me but I`ve been called everything from fascist to anarchist and beyond ......so think again ....there are no absolutes in any of this but it is inevitable that "democracy" has had it`s day and things will change.
So then flower, how would you describe yourself?
You do have to be one or the other in my view, or a mix of the two with a bias one way or the other perhaps.

7 Oct 2010

Quote by GnV
So then flower, how would you describe yourself?

Quote by flower
I rather hope there isn`t a label for me

Oh there is a label there for him GNV.....just not printable on here. wink

7 Oct 2010

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