i was talking about migrant worker HNS in a general term. i am sorry if i either went off topic, or stated something that was not true.
Our tiny nation island has experienced economic migration and emigration for centuries - it is nothing new.
What have the Poles/Eastern Europeans ever done for us lol
Well, they arrived from a country with little prospects for personal financial solvency and so they did what Norman Tebbit suggested all those years ago to us - they got on their bikes and made an effort to improve their lives. Rather than stay home moaning about how unfortunate their lot was and blaming their terrible lives on everyone else but themselves. So now we have a service and hospitality industry dominated by a "non native" work force. We also have highly skilled construction professionals who work very hard because they want to make the most of their opportunity.
On the other side of the coin, we now have a fat load of "native" unemployed people who moan constantly that jobs are going to the foreigners - they out to take a leaf out of the "foreigners" book and get on their bikes and find themselves a better life.
There is remarkable similarity in todays problems to the days centuries ago when communities lived off the land. If the land stopped feeding them - they moved on. We have forgotten that basic fact of life and the majority of the native population expect so much to simply happen for them, without feeling obliged to give anything in return.
Charles Darwin said that it is not the strongest who survive - but those most adaptable to change. UK workers need to wake up and realise that EVERYONE in the world has to now work harder, for less money and for longer.
ASIDE - My best friend has a specialist construction company that undertakes high value unique projects all over the UK. He gave up completely with "native" construction staff because they would not travel around the country from job to job with any kind of reliability or without moaning. He now has a workforce of 40 - all Eastern European and since he stopped employing native Brits he has fulfilled every contract on time and not had a single delay penalty. The reality is that his Company is successful - he and his workers contribute to the tax take and up to two years ago he was struggling to complete every other project on time and was paying out almost as much in delay penalties as he was earning profit.
the employment crisis facing the lazy british worker is caused by migrant economic refugees.
the employment crisis facing the lazy tax avoiding greeks is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing the siesta driven lazy spanish is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing the short working week french is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing........
banker sniggers ha ha ha ha ha
are you sure it's them johnny foreigners ?
Greg.
I can't agree with you.
To seek 'independance' would leave the UK seriously isolated.
Change the membership ticket by all means to something that is more suited to her needs, but total withdrawal from the EU would spell disaster.
There is much to fault the EU, particularly the Commission - as I have said before in this forum, but you can only fight it by being in it with people who will not be persuaded to roll over like a dutiful dog the minute they are elected.
i do not say i know all about european politics, but what i can see very easily is that we put in a lot more than we take out. Why should any of our money go towards bailing out the likes of Greece and Spain or Ireland? they decided after referendums, and twice in Irelands case, to opt in to a europe lock stock and both smoking barrels, as far as giving up there money for the now dead euro.
they thought at the time that it was possibly the answer to there prayers going head first into europ, but it has instead been there downfall. so as we never went in and were so opposed to the euro, why should we as a nation bail out or get involved by the billions and billions of pounds it will cost us? i say let those countries sink, as apart from tourism they offer very little else, and when spain was a thriving tourism place, it did not want any part of europe then.
all this nonsense of unelected peeple dictating to our judges, imposing cranky health and safety rubbish onto us, costing our industries millions to comply with. european directives on this that and everything else, that none of us had any say over. this country voted to trade with europe, not to be run and dictated by europe. politicians will always feather there own nests, way beforew anything else, and the suited mob of politicians will never want the british public to have a say, and so end there gravy train will they?
i if i had my way would opt out of europe. we are not europeans and never will be, we are british/english, and i would never class myself as a european in any way shape or form, never. give the peeple of this country the option of a simple yes or no to europe. why has the nation been denied this for so long? well i belive it is an obvious thing, because we would vote out and where would the politicians then find themselves? out and out again to a doomed but self satisfying bunch of cretins, only in it for there own PR's and of course the expenses.
sorry but Thatcher was the only politician or maybe i should say PM, who had any balls to stick up for this country. this would never have come down this road had she still been here. all the others since her have allowed us to be sold down the river, even cameron who said differently when he first came into power. no british politicain seems to have the guts to stand up for this nation where europe is concerned. do we really need them? i think they need britian in, much more than they would want us out. save all the billions we spend on this nonsense, and use it more wisely by reinvesting it back into our structure, and into our struggling businesses, and to hell with europe and it's courts and it's unelected peeple dictating it's unelected ways onto this great country, and dragging us down into the sewers with the rest of europe.
Well put, Bayboy 1664. The latest figures I have available re trade (published in 2010) show that Britain needs the EU like a drowning man needs more water when it comes to this subject.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics show that between 1999 and 2009 we went billion into the red with the EU but made a profit of billion trading with the rest of the world.
Greg,
One thing to consider is the number of Japanese companies with manufacturing or assembly plants in the UK, thus helping or 'trade figures', purely on the basis when they were announced of our proximity and membership of the EU
There is no reason for the UK not to be in Europe but every reason for it not to be run by Europe - or those parts of it which are corrupt and an ever increasing burden.
Cite as evidence distant lands who are not European by all means and who do good trade. Even better cite closer countries in the continent of Europe who do good business too, better than the UK. It only serves to strengthen my argument.
Because with all the trade at it's disposal from within the Commonweath and beyond, why is Great Britain not outstripping Germany and France and leading the way in Europe, increasing her prosperity? What possible argument can be given to support the view that, outside of Europe, Great Britain will fare better on her own?
You can break eggs to make a omelette but you can't make eggs from an omelette. Supper has already been served; make the most of it, serve it with with some relish and enjoy.
