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Quote by Staggerlee_BB

not sure about the provenance of this one but.....
Another one from a dubious source.....
Draw your own conclusions
I'd say it doesn't matter who's fleecing the state, what they're doing is wrong and perhaps those that take most should be made an example of first.....it might even discourage some of the little fish

I have learnt, by advise from experts here, not to trust anything from the supporters of the Blackshirts :giggle:
I don't think subsidies are yet a crime, some thing I seam to remember, from recent threads, the coal mines were receiving before their closures
I do however understand your point of view, just don't think feel I wholly agree
Quote by Lizaleanrob
You look nothing like one, my sisters used tgo collect them in the 70's, little stubby legged things with wild hair lol
yes I know ive highjacked the thread I was going to start a new one in the Cafe about Trolls but thought i'd drop in a quick bit in here but I know you'll go back to the original OP
Gillian

there you go

I reckon the one with red hair Rob had a pony tail.....what ya reckon? lol
Ere Blue....is that you or the Mrs in ya avatar? lol
Very nice it is though. wink

I am sure I have seen this hairstyle on a cam one night. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Ere Blue....is that you or the Mrs in ya avatar? lol
Very nice it is though. wink

Yes that is of coarse the Wife, thanks :wink:
Bloody lovely Blue....lucky fella. wink
Quote by Bluefish2009

not sure about the provenance of this one but.....
Another one from a dubious source.....
Draw your own conclusions
I'd say it doesn't matter who's fleecing the state, what they're doing is wrong and perhaps those that take most should be made an example of first.....it might even discourage some of the little fish

I have learnt, by advise from experts here, not to trust anything from the supporters of the Blackshirts :giggle:
I don't think subsidies are yet a crime, some thing I seam to remember, from recent threads, the coal mines were receiving before their closures
I do however understand your point of view, just don't think feel I wholly agree
The mines were nationalised -we owned them-and recieving no subsidies Virgin rail and all thr other train companies are non nationalised stock market quoted companies and such a company should stand or fall on it's commercial decisions not the level of subsidy it can screw out of the government by pleading poverty
Quote by Staggerlee_BB

not sure about the provenance of this one but.....
Another one from a dubious source.....
Draw your own conclusions
I'd say it doesn't matter who's fleecing the state, what they're doing is wrong and perhaps those that take most should be made an example of first.....it might even discourage some of the little fish

I have learnt, by advise from experts here, not to trust anything from the supporters of the Blackshirts :giggle:
I don't think subsidies are yet a crime, some thing I seam to remember, from recent threads, the coal mines were receiving before their closures
I do however understand your point of view, just don't think feel I wholly agree
The mines were nationalised -we owned them-and recieving no subsidies Virgin rail and all thr other train companies are non nationalised stock market quoted companies and such a company should stand or fall on it's commercial decisions not the level of subsidy it can screw out of the government by pleading poverty
I see, well you have a far better knowledge of this than I, I still don't feel the distaste for the man that some people seem to have. What are your thoughts then on the subsidies of farms then?
Quote by kentswingers777
Bloody lovely Blue....lucky fella. wink

Thank you lol
Quote by Staggerlee_BB

not sure about the provenance of this one but.....
Another one from a dubious source.....
Draw your own conclusions
I'd say it doesn't matter who's fleecing the state, what they're doing is wrong and perhaps those that take most should be made an example of first.....it might even discourage some of the little fish

I have learnt, by advise from experts here, not to trust anything from the supporters of the Blackshirts :giggle:
I don't think subsidies are yet a crime, some thing I seam to remember, from recent threads, the coal mines were receiving before their closures
I do however understand your point of view, just don't think feel I wholly agreestaggers, the privatised rail operators recieve more in tax payer subsidies, in real terms, than british rail ever did.
going back to the b.a. unite dispute, all airlines and all other commercial activity, worldwide will continue to have to reduce costs, and the largest single cost is generally, in most bussinesses, labour costs. they will be driven to do this because of the general global economic breakdown. this brings about a conflict of interests between the employer and the employed, the user and the used. this dynamic that leads to an iresovable conumdrum cannot solve the problem.
wether it is at a micro or macro level. bussiness and employees or governments and soveriegn debt, b.a. employees trying to retain their jobs and living standards, b.a. trying to break even or make a profit (return for shareholders) or iceland, spain, thailand, italy, ireland or greece governments eliminating services and cutting public workers saleries, pensions and conditions in order to service debt and the workers resisting with strikes and demonstrations will not solve the problem.
workers turning the other cheek and accepting cuts in wages and saleries, companies cutting costs and slimming their workforces increases deflationary pressures and decreases general demand. it is not a solution, merely one of the ingredients to inevitable total collapse.
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
along the way, the media will be choking themselves with talk of angry mob's (workers) and reasonable employers, good governments and reasonable politicians and ugly silly violent protesters who have to accept austerity for their over indulgence (highly paid trolly dollies ?).
this dispute is but a tiny embrio of the developing global breakdown crisis of the financial system during which the "too big to fails" will make the "too small to save" suffer.
regardless of the propaganda rammed down our throats of coming out of recession, fragile and all that bullshit, we are already in a depression and it can only get worse.
we are treated to "houses selling and an increase in house prices" bullshit. employers more confident. bullshit. global economy picking up. bullshit. china will pull us out of it, bullshit by the corporate city owned media.
only the creation of credit by soveriegn goverments out of private hands can change this situation and that aint gonna be the condems, new labour, or any other self interested bought and paid for, on the gravy train politicians in westminster, capitol hill or brussels.
keep your wits about you and watch the blame being heaped on joe soap, johnny foriegner, lefty, blackie, lazy phuckers, muslims et all while banksters pay themselves unimaginable bonuses and austerity is served to us all. oh, and i forgot, on con spiracy theorists.
The mines were nationalised -we owned them-and recieving no subsidies Virgin rail and all thr other train companies are non nationalised stock market quoted companies and such a company should stand or fall on it's commercial decisions not the level of subsidy it can screw out of the government by pleading poverty
Quote by gulsonroad30664staggers, the privatised rail operators recieve more in tax payer subsidies, in real terms, than british rail ever did.

so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new phenomenon.
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new correct max. airline passenger miles, airplanes in service. holidays etc were increasing year on year untill january last year. people were even leveraging there homes to buy properties abroad and travelling weekends to sit in the sun until the credit collapse and b.a. and airlines in general's bussiness is down 40% on 2008 ! come on. you aint daft.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new correct max. airline passenger miles, airplanes in service. holidays etc were increasing year on year untill january last year. people were even leveraging there homes to buy properties abroad and travelling weekends to sit in the sun until the credit collapse and b.a. and airlines in general's bussiness is down 40% on 2008 ! come on. you aint daft.
Fraid it is correct Gulson, especially with regards to American carriers. See when an American legacy carrier last made a profit. Airline sales did fall during the recession and BA suffer more than most because their business model is structured around carrying premium paying passengers....exactly the sort that stopped travelling. In the first five months of this year, corporate passenger numbers in the UK are up against the same period last year.
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
I am sure he will get the right hump when he finds out. lol :lol: :lol:
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you were.
My industry is based in people holidaying here in the UK, after 9/11 it took a massive boost and has been growing ever since. I have been in the same trade since I left school in 1981. I recently left my employer to become self employed and run my own business.
One mans meat is another man Poisson, its just possible it could be a further boost to my industry dunno
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you i'm telling you, cos i got it all wrong about coconut airways, i must have all the rest wrong. all shirkers should work lomger hours for less money and lazy phuckers who dont work should get phuck all and that will get the country back on its feet.
UNITE have said today they will call off the strikes tom IF BA reinstate the " free flight perks ".
Fuck I bet most employees wish they had those sort of " perks ".
No wonder BA make no fucking money.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you i'm telling you, cos i got it all wrong about coconut airways, i must have all the rest wrong. all shirkers should work lomger hours for less money and lazy phuckers who dont work should get phuck all and that will get the country back on its if them fussiewussies think they can beat us by workin 25 hours a day for half a bowl of rice instead of a full one, we should work for even less. that will get the country back on its feet !
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new phenomenon
.no, sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you were.well i'm telling you, cos i got it all wrong about coconut airways, i must have all the rest wrong. all shirkers should work lomger hours for less money and lazy phuckers who dont work should get phuck all and that will get the country back on its feet.
I just remembered why I decided I couldn't be arsed to post in here!
To be brief..Gulson I tend to agree but I'm lost with 'economics' to be honest (my politics are gut not head),I do however recognise shit when it's flying towards a fan.
Blue..I don't know...my knowledge of farming is probably far inferior to yours...all I can say is that I suspect that like most of these things it's the large 'corporate' farmers who get the bulk of any subsidies when they don't need them and the people who do need them miss I'm fairly sure that D.E.F.R.A. are a bunch of tossers
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
To be brief..Gulson I tend to agree but I'm lost with 'economics' to be honest (my politics are gut not head),I do however recognise shit when it's flying towards a fan.
Blue..I don't know...my knowledge of farming is probably far inferior to yours...all I can say is that I suspect that like most of these things it's the large 'corporate' farmers who get the bulk of any subsidies when they don't need them and the people who do need them miss I'm fairly sure that D.E.F.R.A. are a bunch of tossers

Your gut feeling's on both is bang on the money
Can I remind you to respect each others views - allow debate and discussion without being personal, if in doubt, take a step away, think about what you want to say before coming back to the subject.
It will also be helpful to quote properly as it becomes difficult to read and see whose said what. If you want to quote another person - try to quote the part that your answering only or highlight the text that's important to you within the quote.
If your unsure how to quote properly - your quite welcome to start up a practice thread in the cafe area until you get the hang of it.
Right - lets start again as I know they are some posters who want to add to this interesting thread.
Have fun smile
Quote by Kaznkev

Remember health safety as well....never go out in the sun without protection, as that red lobster skin can be bloody painful in the morning,as I saw on a cam last night.....ouch.

if you didnt spend ages every night silently watching my cam you wouldnt have to worry.
i can assure you that i hide from the sun like the insomniac vampire i am, i think you may need to check your computer colour settings,
or you were still watching after my show when i was flushed from multiple orgasms,
I am always in the Kent room so do not know where I would possibly get the time.
But the thought of you thinking I am watching your cam is certainly the funniest thing I have heard on here in about four years.
Not being nasty but your above comment is laughable and so untrue, maybe you really do have the hots for me, but sadly I am taken. lol
But if you tell me what room you frequent I will be sure to have a likkle ikkle peep at some time. wink
The staff travel "perks" are useful because a fair proportion do not live in this country....
Kaz and Kent - this is not the place for this. Either take it to pm and sort it out, agree to disagree, ignore each other or move on an forget about it.
Alternatively - if you have that much of an issue with each other - put a support ticket in! That won't really solve anything tho - will it?
The choice is yours but please let the forums be problem free from personal issues between you both and allow other members enjoy them.
Anais smile