On my travel Minx I found those black rubbish bins you was talking about. :thumbup:
Was this in Downham?
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Urban fox attack
Quote by Trevaunance
I don't know the area at all, in fact I doubt I've ever been there. However I am more than aware that fly tipping does happen, rubbish bags are left out to rip open, bins overflow and that our streets in general can be an untidy feeding and breeding ground for a whole host of creatures.
I don't live in utopia, but I do live in a nice part of the City. It is easy for me to produce many nice pictures of clean streets straight from the internet, but too find areas rife with litter and dumped paraphernalia wouldn't take me too long. It's a fact of life that it exists, and that the council do what they can to stay on top of things. Perhaps those of you living in London would like to use this site to report and monitor problems in your area.
Good sense Trev and thanks for the link. :thumbup:
One of the problems on a more serious note is that residents are not happy with having to have their smelly rubbish in their front gardens for days on end, so to alleviate that many residents leave their rubbish on the streets a day or two before the bin men arrive. This has been such a problem for some councils, that many opted to fine residents if they put their rubbish out before a certain time.
On Thamesmead people in houses have their own green bins as we are in the Borough of Greenwich, and people fill those bins up and black sacks as well. They then leave the black sacks next to their green plastic bins, and then wonder why they have been ripped open in the night. People should only be allowed one plastic bins worth of rubbish and everything else they have to take to their nearest dump.
Just one of many excamples to try and stop rubbish being put out days before collection.
But seems the law is now about to change....again.
Sex God
At last people are beginning to see sense, just what I have said for years :thumbup:
RSPCA spokeswoman Klare Kennett said she was aware that some people leave sausages and other treats for foxes in their back gardens as they would for a pet. "The problem is that people are feeding them," she said. "They're putting food out for them in their back gardens - then one thing leads to another, and they're surprised when they go inside their homes."
The attack last Wednesday, which was reported to police after the baby's mother discovered her child screaming in its bedroom with its hand in the animal's mouth, prompted the London Mayor, Boris Johnson, to call on borough leaders to take action, labelling urban foxes "a pest and a menace".
Richard Moseley, from the British Pest Control Association, told the BBC: "What we are finding is that as people feed foxes and encourage foxes to come closer to their properties... they are becoming tamer and people do have to remember that at the end of the day they are still wild animals."
Tim Stevens, the councillor at neighbouring Bromley Council responsible for public protection and safety, said that foxes have been problematic in the area for several years.
RSPCA spokeswoman Klare Kennett said she was aware that some people leave sausages and other treats for foxes in their back gardens as they would for a pet. "The problem is that people are feeding them," she said. "They're putting food out for them in their back gardens - then one thing leads to another, and they're surprised when they go inside their homes."
The attack last Wednesday, which was reported to police after the baby's mother discovered her child screaming in its bedroom with its hand in the animal's mouth, prompted the London Mayor, Boris Johnson, to call on borough leaders to take action, labelling urban foxes "a pest and a menace".
Richard Moseley, from the British Pest Control Association, told the BBC: "What we are finding is that as people feed foxes and encourage foxes to come closer to their properties... they are becoming tamer and people do have to remember that at the end of the day they are still wild animals."
Tim Stevens, the councillor at neighbouring Bromley Council responsible for public protection and safety, said that foxes have been problematic in the area for several years.
Quote by Trevaunance
I don't know the area at all, in fact I doubt I've ever been there. However I am more than aware that fly tipping does happen, rubbish bags are left out to rip open, bins overflow and that our streets in general can be an untidy feeding and breeding ground for a whole host of creatures.
I don't live in utopia, but I do live in a nice part of the City. It is easy for me to produce many nice pictures of clean streets straight from the internet, but too find areas rife with litter and dumped paraphernalia wouldn't take me too long. It's a fact of life that it exists, and that the council do what they can to stay on top of things. Perhaps those of you living in London would like to use this site to report and monitor problems in your area.
The site you quoted love London was first set up and established in the borough I have been talking about. Lewisham won the New Statesman New Media Awards in 2006 and since have rolled it out across London then nationwide. It seems Ironic that Star choose to use the picture that was taken for the website that is stating and explaining about winning this award.
and you have now sent the link too.
Quote by Trevaunance
Sorry? Are we talking about woodland management or a video that was shot in an urban back garden? My knowledge of woodland management is restricted to be fair, but I do know about back gardens
Oh goody, I'm glad you know about back gardens. I'm sure yours is a picture of multi-coloured serenity. It's a pity your knowledge doesn't extend to foxes - the subject of this thread....!
Sex God
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
Sorry? Are we talking about woodland management or a video that was shot in an urban back garden? My knowledge of woodland management is restricted to be fair, but I do know about back gardens
Oh goody, I'm glad you know about back gardens. I'm sure yours is a picture of multi-coloured serenity. It's a pity your knowledge doesn't extend to foxes - the subject of this thread....!
Jim, you cannot substantiate your spurious claim that I don't know about foxes. I'm sorry that you can't see the balance in the debate, especially in concern to the video you linked. However there is no need to become personal.
I guess I should feel lucky that 1/3 of your forum posts have been directly aimed at me. Would you like a signed photo seeing as you are such a fan :lol:
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
On Thamesmead people in houses have their own green bins as we are in the Borough of Greenwich, and people fill those bins up and black sacks as well. They then leave the black sacks next to their green plastic bins, and then wonder why they have been ripped open in the night.
I can't speak for all areas of the Country but in Exeter as well as our previous home near inverness the council do not take any rubbish or recycling that isn't in a refuse container such as a wheelie bin, box etc provided by the council. they absolutely flatly refuse to take rubbish in bin bags that is left for them.
In fact you can't even drop domestic refuse straight to the tip anymore!
Quote by Trevaunance
Sorry? Are we talking about woodland management or a video that was shot in an urban back garden? My knowledge of woodland management is restricted to be fair, but I do know about back gardens
Oh goody, I'm glad you know about back gardens. I'm sure yours is a picture of multi-coloured serenity. It's a pity your knowledge doesn't extend to foxes - the subject of this thread....!
Jim, you cannot substantiate your spurious claim that I don't know about foxes. I'm sorry that you can't see the balance in the debate, especially in concern to the video you linked. However there is no need to become personal.
I guess I should feel lucky that 1/3 of your forum posts have been directly aimed at me. Would you like a signed photo seeing as you are such a fan :lol:
I think I can lay claim to the second third - and I only borrowed his post to highlight something star wrote :notes:
Sex God
Quote by flower411
OOOO if you`re handing out photos, could I have a couple of mrs trevaunance please ?
No need to sign them
:lol:
Quote by starlightcouple
I guess I should feel lucky that 1/3 of your forum posts have been directly aimed at me. Would you like a signed photo seeing as you are such a fan
Ouch.
Yes star, you're the third third :grin:
just be thankful it wasn't Paddy writing that... It could have turned out 'turd turd :lol:'
Quote by GnV
I guess I should feel lucky that 1/3 of your forum posts have been directly aimed at me. Would you like a signed photo seeing as you are such a fan
Ouch.
Yes star, you're the third third :grin:
just be thankful it wasn't Paddy writing that... It could have turned out 'turd turd :lol:'
Very droll GnV. :rascal:
Quote by Trevaunance
Jim, you cannot substantiate your spurious claim that I don't know about foxes.
You provide all substantiation needed without any help from me. Your flippant replies speak volumes regarding lack of any knowledge of the subject of foxes, both urban and rural.
Quote by Trevaunance
I'm sorry that you can't see the balance in the debate, especially in concern to the video you linked. However there is no need to become personal.
In questioning and commenting on your posts I believe I am providing a sadly lacking balance in this debate. Or are views opposing yours and Stars deemed unbalanced and personal? Perhaps you are not used to people disagreeing with you.
Quote by Trevaunance
I guess I should feel lucky that 1/3 of your forum posts have been directly aimed at me. Would you like a signed photo seeing as you are such a fan
Lucky? Not at all. I rarely post, preferring to let a select few to "hold court". But seeing such diatribe about a subject I have wide knowledge of being banded about I could not resist taking you to task.
And a photograph? No thanks, I'm not that desperate ..... :twisted:
Sex God
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
You provide all substantiation needed without any help from me. Your flippant replies speak volumes regarding lack of any knowledge of the subject of foxes, both urban and rural.
Jim, you posted a video showing a fox eating a dead piglet at 3 AM. I have made light hearted comments on the content of the video, nothing more. What was the reason you posted the video? Was it simply to prove that foxes don't carry Lidl bags? Perhaps you were trying to show how people feeding foxes might encourage them to attack children as easy prey? Rather than just posting a video, why not explain your view and the reason behind it.
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
In questioning and commenting on your posts I believe I am providing a sadly lacking balance in this debate.
I support a cull on urban foxes despite the difficulties; I don't believe that they should be treated like pets and fed by humans, and I certainly agree that human beings should do there best to limit food sources for foxes, pigeons, gulls, rats etc. From the limited amount you have posted I would surmise that you feel similar views, so why do you insist that you are balancing my own views with a counter arguement?
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
Or are views opposing yours and Stars deemed unbalanced and personal?
I can not and will not speak for Star. He is his own man and sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. As I have said above I surmise that your views and mine are not actually that far apart.
You are personal, but I wouldn't go as far as to say unbalanced
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
Perhaps you are not used to people disagreeing with you.
Of course I am, I have been married long enough.
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
Lucky? Not at all. I rarely post, preferring to let a select few to "hold court". But seeing such diatribe about a subject I have wide knowledge of being banded about I could not resist taking you to task.
Ah, nice to see you admit that it's personal from your perspective. Out of interest what part of my input to the debate did you particularly see as diatribe? Was it when I was discussing the practicalities of an (unfortunately) unlikely urban fox cull, or was it me making a light hearted comment?
You obviously have something to bring to the debate and I would love to know more about your experience and your views. Blue and I may have opposing views on the RSPCA but we were happily engaged in sharing our opinion during this thread, on something we feel similar about. Perhaps you could try the same?
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
In questioning and commenting on your posts I believe I am providing a sadly lacking balance in this debate. Or are views opposing yours and Stars deemed unbalanced and personal? Perhaps you are not used to people disagreeing with you.
Mine are simply my opinion of how I see things. What I do know is that I do think man himself is mainly to blame, and I also think this whole biting a child thing has been taken so far out of context. Fox attacks are very rare indeed and yet a cull is now being called for. Why? According to research on the One Show tonight on BBC 1, 86% of foxes still live in rural areas.
Oh as an aside, if that comment was aimed at me as well with regards to people ' disagreeing ' I think you will find I am more than used to that matey.:notes:
Quote by starlightcouple
Mine are simply my opinion of how I see things. What I do know is that I do think man himself is mainly to blame, and I also think this whole biting a child thing has been taken so far out of context. Fox attacks are very rare indeed and yet a cull is now being called for. Why? According to research on the One Show tonight on BBC 1, 86% of foxes still live in rural areas.
Couldn't agree with you more. A cull would be an impossible, unwarranted and unnecessary exercise. A knee jerk reaction just like the dangerous dogs act, the post Dunblane fiasco and the anti badger cull. Urban foxes are now almost a different breed to rural and their proliferation and living habits are entirely man made - and man is now reaping the rewards. The fox attack was a rarity - at the moment - but with the evolving urban fox population it will become more common. And the only thing that can be done to stem it is for food to be less easily available. More evidence of urban decay (matey
)? Quote by flower411
Mine are simply my opinion of how I see things. What I do know is that I do think man himself is mainly to blame, and I also think this whole biting a child thing has been taken so far out of context. Fox attacks are very rare indeed and yet a cull is now being called for. Why? According to research on the One Show tonight on BBC 1, 86% of foxes still live in rural areas.
Couldn't agree with you more. A cull would be an impossible, unwarranted and unnecessary exercise. A knee jerk reaction just like the dangerous dogs act, the post Dunblane fiasco and the anti badger cull. Urban foxes are now almost a different breed to rural and their proliferation and living habits are entirely man made - and man is now reaping the rewards. The fox attack was a rarity - at the moment - but with the evolving urban fox population it will become more common. And the only thing that can be done to stem it is for food to be less easily available. More evidence of urban decay (matey
)?You are right .... the problem of foxes unafraid of humans is increased by those that feed them which encourages them into peoples gardens and houses.
You only got one record Flower? As you keep playing the same one.
Doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law matey. If a neighbour saw me doing this in my garden and telephoned the police or the local council, the reply would be? Speak up am having a bit of trouble hearing the answer.
Quote by starlightcouple
Mine are simply my opinion of how I see things. What I do know is that I do think man himself is mainly to blame, and I also think this whole biting a child thing has been taken so far out of context. Fox attacks are very rare indeed and yet a cull is now being called for. Why? According to research on the One Show tonight on BBC 1, 86% of foxes still live in rural areas.
Couldn't agree with you more. A cull would be an impossible, unwarranted and unnecessary exercise. A knee jerk reaction just like the dangerous dogs act, the post Dunblane fiasco and the anti badger cull. Urban foxes are now almost a different breed to rural and their proliferation and living habits are entirely man made - and man is now reaping the rewards. The fox attack was a rarity - at the moment - but with the evolving urban fox population it will become more common. And the only thing that can be done to stem it is for food to be less easily available. More evidence of urban decay (matey
)?You are right .... the problem of foxes unafraid of humans is increased by those that feed them which encourages them into peoples gardens and houses.
You only got one record Flower? As you keep playing the same one.
Doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law matey. If a neighbour saw me doing this in my garden and telephoned the police or the local council, the reply would be? Speak up am having a bit of trouble hearing the answer.
I have just read an article which is asking and stating the following...
"Foxes have lived in our towns and cities since the Thirties, when they started venturing into the suburbs, as planning encroached on their natural habitats.
But only in the past decade have such attacks on humans, particularly infants, taken place. Clearly, something has changed to aggravate this previously peaceful coexistence – but what?"
Specialists insist that a population increase is not the cause.
“If anything, the number of urban foxes has gone down,” says wildlife expert John Bryant, who has been studying foxes for 15 years.
“Almost all borough councils have wheelie bins, and that removes a huge food supply. There are also a lot of diseases and poisons around. Statistically, the chances of them attacking humans are basically zero. I’ve never come across an aggressive fox – it is just that they’re becoming bolder.
Last year’s Channel Four study, Foxes Live, in which 10,000 people observed the habits of urban foxes, came to a similar conclusion.
Terry Woods, co-founder of humane pest control company Fox-A-Gon, says "wildlife programmes are to blame for the “boldness” foxes now exhibit. Since shows like Springwatch, more people are interested in feeding foxes,” he explains. “Instinctively, they would pull away from humans.
But if Mrs Jones starts putting out a bowl of dog food in her garden, over a period of time that fox will become more human-friendly. Then if Mrs Jones goes away on holiday, that fox will not differentiate between her patio door and the door at a different house.”
During Foxes Live, 1.5 per cent of people said they’d had a fox inside their homes, either invited or uninvited, and 86 per cent perceived them positively. In a poll on the Telegraph?’s website yesterday, 44 per cent of readers described foxes as “handsome and largely harmless creatures.
Experts insist that it is not in foxes’ nature to prey on humans.
Prof Stephen Harris, a specialist in urban foxes from the University of Bristol, says "the creatures eat invertebrates, birds and food left out in gardens. “It’s not the foxes’ fault; it’s the humans’,” he said in an interview on Radio 4’s Today programme yesterday."
No fox attack has ever caused a fatality in this country, but some believe it may only be a matter of time. So is a cull the solution?
In Bromley this week, concerned friends and neighbours are scouring the streets for the fox that savaged Denny. The offending creature, a noticeably large fox, has reportedly been spotted skulking behind a car; and one neighbour claims to have seen 20 of the animals prowling nearby streets. Action will no doubt be taken. But will a witch-hunt help ease the family’s pain?
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is.”
I found the article a common sense approach to the reason behind what I feel is now the cause of possibly why these attacks might be happening.
Sadly however, some will still not see or at least listen to the experts. That feeding foxes is causing the fox to be witch hunted by neighbours and possibly killed and also a call to cull foxes who are being blamed for changing their eating habits.
I find it amazing that people detest fox hunting yet contribute to why people are starting to hate the fox. Who I believe is the innocent one.
Maybe we should call a cull on people that feed them to save the foxes.
Sex God
Interesting article minx, but where did all those speech marks creep in they made it difficult reading.
they made it difficult reading. Sex God
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
Quote by Theladyisaminx
In Bromley this week, concerned friends and neighbours are scouring the streets for the fox that savaged Denny.
Well they certainly will not find THAT fox in Bromley, will they Minx?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Maybe we should call a cull on people that feed them to save the foxes.
You be on the telephone to your best bud Flower AGAIN?
Your obviously playing that same record together.These so called ' experts ' in so many other things end up saying one thing, and then changing their stories when their so called expertise is proved by another ' expert ' to be a complete load of old bollocks.
Until someone comes along and calls for it to become illegal through a law past by a Government, that makes it illegal to feed foxes, I shall continue to do as I please in my own back garden. I feed foxes and seem to be the bad guy in the eyes of these so called experts on here, and yet every Sunday hounds being led by tossers on horse back, set the dogs onto defenseless foxes in the name of sport, and then the hounds rip it to pieces whilst it is still alive.
Have a read up of the so called experts decisions of the culling of Badgers, one states one thing and somebody else states the opposite, and now the cull has been suspended whilst yet more ' experts ' look into it FFS. I asked you to shout louder earlier Minx with regards to am I doing anything illegal, and I never heard a dicky bird. Try again.:bounce:
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
In Bromley this week, concerned friends and neighbours are scouring the streets for the fox that savaged Denny.
Well they certainly will not find THAT fox in Bromley, will they Minx?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Maybe we should call a cull on people that feed them to save the foxes.
You be on the telephone to your best bud Flower AGAIN?
Your obviously playing that same record together.These so called ' experts ' in so many other things end up saying one thing, and then changing their stories when their so called expertise is proved by another ' expert ' to be a complete load of old bollocks.
Until someone comes along and calls for it to become illegal through a law past by a Government, that makes it illegal to feed foxes, I shall continue to do as I please in my own back garden. I feed foxes and seem to be the bad guy in the eyes of these so called experts on here, and yet every Sunday hounds being led by tossers on horse back, set the dogs onto defenseless foxes in the name of sport, and then the hounds rip it to pieces whilst it is still alive.
Have a read up of the so called experts decisions of the culling of Badgers, one states one thing and somebody else states the opposite, and now the cull has been suspended whilst yet more ' experts ' look into it FFS. I asked you to shout louder earlier Minx with regards to am I doing anything illegal, and I never heard a dicky bird. Try again.:bounce:
Surely you dont need an expert to tell you that feeding a fox is a bad adea, just like the short sighted behavour of people that feed gulls
Quote by flower411
You are the only person going on about it being illegal or not ...
Nobody else has mentioned the legality so why are you now demanding that people show you where it says it is illegal ? You are just trying to change the subject.
Idiocy isn`t, and as far as I know, never has been illegal.
Because you and others keep going on and on about something that is perfectly legal to do. You keep leaving little remarks obviously meant for me, with regards to the feeding of them in a garden.
I have to keep making the point that I am doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, and every time you say about feeding them in a garden, I will then state people are doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.
I am whistling the same tune.
Quote by flower411
Idiocy isn`t, and as far as I know, never has been illegal.
No not illegal in itself but the actions of idiocy invariably lead people to do something illegal.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
I agree Bluefish I can not see it being repealed but;
"It has no place in 21st century Britain. The public needs to bear in mind that some press reporting is biased and aimed at overturning the fox-hunting ban, when really the UK needs to calmly consider a proper course of action.
Best wishes to the baby boy and his family.
Sources
Mirror
BBC"
Hence the cynic in me suggesting that there were dark forces at work manipulating the reporting to demonize Mr. Fox.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
I agree Bluefish I can not see it being repealed but;
"It has no place in 21st century Britain. The public needs to bear in mind that some press reporting is biased and aimed at overturning the fox-hunting ban, when really the UK needs to calmly consider a proper course of action.
Best wishes to the baby boy and his family.
Sources
Mirror
BBC"
Hence the cynic in me suggesting that there were dark forces at work manipulating the reporting to demonize Mr. Fox.
Rogue the press cannot even get the area of the fox attack right? :doh:
Sex God
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
I agree Bluefish I can not see it being repealed but;
"It has no place in 21st century Britain. The public needs to bear in mind that some press reporting is biased and aimed at overturning the fox-hunting ban, when really the UK needs to calmly consider a proper course of action.
Best wishes to the baby boy and his family.
Sources
Mirror
BBC"
Hence the cynic in me suggesting that there were dark forces at work manipulating the reporting to demonize Mr. Fox.
I cant see it helping there cause
I think hunting has a place in this century and the next, but that is for another thread
Quote by Bluefish2009
I cant see it helping their cause
I think hunting has a place in this century and the next, but that is for another thread
I hope it won't help their cause at all, as I don't feel hunting has any place in a civilised country such as ours, but as you say that's for another thread.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is
Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest
I agree Bluefish I can not see it being repealed but;
"It has no place in 21st century Britain. The public needs to bear in mind that some press reporting is biased and aimed at overturning the fox-hunting ban, when really the UK needs to calmly consider a proper course of action.
Best wishes to the baby boy and his family.
Sources
Mirror
BBC"
Hence the cynic in me suggesting that there were dark forces at work manipulating the reporting to demonize Mr. Fox.
I cant see it helping there cause
I think hunting has a place in this century and the next, but that is for another thread
I agree with you Blue, this has nothing to do with fox hunting, I watched a fox walk though my garden on Sunday while my cat was in it. They looked at each other but took no noticed of each other and the fox went about his merrier way.
I love nature and I don't mind foxes they have never bothered me.
I would never feed a fox or any wild animal. I believe in leaving them in the wild to eat what is natural to them.
I don't like what star said about foxes being ripped apart by dogs although I would never interfere with country folk protecting live stock as I have seen what a fox did to a pet rabbit a few times.
For star to say about foxes being ripped apart by dogs and fox hunting on this thread I think is disrespectful to the parents of a baby that they feel could have been ripped apart by a fox lucky it is only a finger gone.
When the experts that are trying to protect the fox are calling all people that feed them at their back door to stop doing so.
It is laughable that the only comment Star keeps throwing in is isn't against the law.
I can't believe that adults always need to be told what to do by law. Then spend the rest of the time moaning about the new laws. Like we need a new law for everything, when does common sense prevail?
Star when has anyone said you are being bad for feeding the foxes?
I have not seen anyone say that either I myself haven't.
You should stop putting words in everyone mouths
