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Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
A brilliant well balance unbiased view.

James Barrington always is fare, honest and balanced in his articles Star, you should read more of his articles
Unknown User
Quote by GnV
you don't really suggest that people should just blindly follow James Barrington's musings, do you rolleyes

Oh dear. Once again prepared to copy and paste the ' musings 'that appeal to you. :roll: Rolls eyes indeed in the hypocrisy sometimes.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
James Barrington always is fare, honest and balanced in his articles Star, you should read more of his articles

That is why I posted the link Blue. There are arguments for and against as it should be if you are truly unbiased.
suede_head
Sexlightened
Quote by GnV
Returning them to a wild state sadly is no longer an option but finding other ways of controlling the pest has to be found otherwise,

This is the bit that worries me in that there doesn't appear an effective way of controlling them, they are now here ... which is why it's not a good idea to encourage them further into our homes by feeding them ... but by starving them of a food source as you say they look further into our environment and homes.
It's a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation. Maybe we do need to look at ways of protecting ourselves from them as it does indeed look like the horse has indeed bolted.
I wonder if their meat could be used in burgers ....
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Lightening the mood slightly I read this a minute ago, and am sure a few people will find it a bit funny seeing what the last couple of days headlines have been.
'I say cull the foxes but don't tell Findus.'
rotflmao:rotflmao:
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple

James Barrington always is fare, honest and balanced in his articles Star, you should read more of his articles

That is why I posted the link Blue. There are arguments for and against as it should be if you are truly unbiased.
This is the important part for those who wish to do all they can to prevent such a tragic event,
The fox is handsome animal and inviting wildlife into a back garden is a delight for many people. However, some treat the fox like an extended pet and this is where the problems start. For others, the fox is a pest and should be got rid of any way possible
The answer lies between the two views. We should not try to take away its wildness – to do otherwise is to remove that very thing to which we are attracted. The fox is a wild predator and it will act as such if cornered or matter how cuddly it may appear.
In other words, stop feed them in your garden wink
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Quote by Suedehead
This is the bit that worries me in that there doesn't appear an effective way of controlling them, they are now here ... which is why it's not a good idea to encourage them further into our homes by feeding them ... but by starving them of a food source as you say they look further into our environment and homes.
It's a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation. Maybe we do need to look at ways of protecting ourselves from them as it does indeed look like the horse has indeed bolted.
I wonder if their meat could be used in burgers ....

Maybe if the councils up and down the land reintroduced weekly collections, it may well stop the increase in fox and rat and seagull activity? Just a thought.
suede_head
Sexlightened
Maybe it's too late for that Star as they are already here, as GNV states they will look closer into our homes for a food source.
I'm afraid i don't have the answer as nature will always over come what we put in it's way ... eventually.
I always think of the weed poking through a tarmac road ... nature and wildlife is a force that we can try to divert, harness or indeed control, but if it wants to flourish in an environment it will.
All we can do is try to protect ourselves against some of it's bad points and appreciate it's good points ... ie in the case of the Fox admire it's beauty but fear it's predatory nature.
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Quote by flower411
Maybe it's too late for that Star as they are already here, as GNV states they will look closer into our homes for a food source.
I'm afraid i don't have the answer as nature will always over come what we put in it's way ... eventually.
I always think of the weed poking through a tarmac road ... nature and wildlife is a force that we can try to divert, harness or indeed control, but if it wants to flourish in an environment it will.
All we can do is try to protect ourselves against some of it's bad points and appreciate it's good points ... ie in the case of the Fox admire it's beauty but fear it's predatory nature.

The only thing we need to fear is the people who insist on trying to stop the control of wild animals. Control of an animal as intelligent as a fox will always be tricky if we have to do it with our hands tied behind our backs.
What about instead of thinking up ways of controlling wild animals, why can't we find a way of stopping the human race from growing? To be fair in my lifetime I think I would rather have a fox as a friend than some of the horrid humans I have encountered on my travels. Human beings whilst being the cleverest, at the same time are the most horrid, which I suppose could in some people's eyes make the human such dumb arse fuckers intent on destroying the planet and the wonderful animals that live on it.
Look to see how many of the planets great animals and forests are almost extinct through mans greed.
suede_head
Sexlightened
Quote by flower411
The only thing we need to fear is the people who insist on trying to stop the control of wild animals. Control of an animal as intelligent as a fox will always be tricky if we have to do it with our hands tied behind our backs.

How do you advocate we control the rise in population Flower? Will they not just return to a natural level once we cull a few?
The point is wild animals and nature can not be controlled like a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep can.
Unless you are suggesting this latest incident is evidence of the need to bring back hunting?
northwest____cpl
Sex God
We've had foxes pass through our garden for at least the last 20 years - the kid's rabbit hutch resembled Fort Knox, but other people in our street have lost rabbits from hutches. I never worried whether a fox would attack one of the kids though, any foxes that appeared in daylight did one very sharpish when they saw a human.
Why worry about an urban fox attacking your baby when you've got a barely tamed descendant of a wolf living in the house with it. Your dog is more lilely to kill the baby than a fox. How much will be spent on a knee jerk reaction that won't work while the more realistic danger is curled up on the kid's bed?
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Quote by flower411
Maybe we could start with fines for people who feed them .....

And how would you propose to catch these people? I would be very interested to know. I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.
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Quote by northwest-cpl
We've had foxes pass through our garden for at least the last 20 years - the kid's rabbit hutch resembled Fort Knox, but other people in our street have lost rabbits from hutches. I never worried whether a fox would attack one of the kids though, any foxes that appeared in daylight did one very sharpish when they saw a human.
Why worry about an urban fox attacking your baby when you've got a barely tamed descendant of a wolf living in the house with it. Your dog is more lilely to kill the baby than a fox. How much will be spent on a knee jerk reaction that won't work while the more realistic danger is curled up on the kid's bed?

You should read this forum a bit more often Northwest. The fox haters are alive and well on this forum, and had it been a dog ( and it usually is ) that had bitten a child we would not have heard a whimper from anyone on here.....that's a certainty.
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple

Maybe we could start with fines for people who feed them .....

And how would you propose to catch these people? I would be very interested to know. I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.
By feeding them you are helping to turn them into something they were never meant to be, it is cruel in my eyes. Purely selfish on your part as you like to see them, you satisfy a self promotion but do nothing for the fox in the long run, only take natural ability's away from them
You may see your self as a fox lover but you do them no favours in the long run, you are fooling your self
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
We've had foxes pass through our garden for at least the last 20 years - the kid's rabbit hutch resembled Fort Knox, but other people in our street have lost rabbits from hutches. I never worried whether a fox would attack one of the kids though, any foxes that appeared in daylight did one very sharpish when they saw a human.
Why worry about an urban fox attacking your baby when you've got a barely tamed descendant of a wolf living in the house with it. Your dog is more lilely to kill the baby than a fox. How much will be spent on a knee jerk reaction that won't work while the more realistic danger is curled up on the kid's bed?

You should read this forum a bit more often Northwest. The fox haters are alive and well on this forum, and had it been a dog ( and it usually is ) that had bitten a child we would not have heard a whimper from anyone on here.....that's a certainty.
If it were a dog I would advocate it put down and the owner dealt with by the law
I for one am a fox lover and have done far more for foxes than most who shout a lot and most often do little
GnV
Sex God
Quote by star
why can't we find a way of stopping the human race from growing?

Like this race did perhaps?
Unknown User
Quote by flower411
You should read this forum a bit more often Northwest. The fox haters are alive and well on this forum, and had it been a dog ( and it usually is ) that had bitten a child we would not have heard a whimper from anyone on here.....that's a certainty.

For somebody who insists that everybody else provides documentary proof of everything they say, you don`t half come out with some rubbish !!
rotflmao:rotflmao:
Kettle black mate.
GnV
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple

Maybe we could start with fines for people who feed them .....

And how would you propose to catch these people? I would be very interested to know. I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.
The English are quite good at getting the local council to stomp up cash to get people to 'finger' their neighbours for transgressions star and its tax free!
Just don't complain when your Council Tax goes up to pay for it.
There are of course those who openly admit to it of course....
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Quote by starlightcouple
..... I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.

On your own head be it..... Foxes are opportunistic scavengers and proliferate where there is easy food to have. The urban foxes aren't carrying Lidl bags - yet
GnV
Sex God
Quote by flower411
You should read this forum a bit more often Northwest. The fox haters are alive and well on this forum, and had it been a dog ( and it usually is ) that had bitten a child we would not have heard a whimper from anyone on here.....that's a certainty.

For somebody who insists that everybody else provides documentary proof of everything they say, you don`t half come out with some rubbish !!
rotflmao:rotflmao:
Kettle black mate.
Quote by starlightcouple
Resorting to sniping is a good idea the debate is lost.

:laughabove:
Touché duel
Unknown User
Quote by Bluefish2009
By feeding them you are helping to turn them into something they were never meant to be, it is cruel in my eyes. Purely selfish on your part as you like to see them, you satisfy a self promotion but do nothing for the fox in the long run, only take natural ability's away from them

They are city foxes and are used to finding food from all kinds of places, all I am doing is making it a tad easier. I think their natural ability has already been taken away from them by the humans inability to dispose of their food waste properly.
Quote by Bluefish2009
You may see your self as a fox lover but you do them no favours in the long run, you are fooling your self

Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing. They have to live somewhere and they have to find food from somewhere, as mans incessant desire to build houses has meant the fox has little choice in what they do and how they do it. Blame anyone Blue, then blame councils and Governments for continuing to reduce wild animals natural habitats. I am helping currently a nice couple of foxes who have I would presume mated to have nice little fox cubs.
Unknown User
Quote by flower411
You should read this forum a bit more often Northwest. The fox haters are alive and well on this forum, and had it been a dog ( and it usually is ) that had bitten a child we would not have heard a whimper from anyone on here.....that's a certainty.

For somebody who insists that everybody else provides documentary proof of everything they say, you don`t half come out with some rubbish !!
rotflmao:rotflmao:
Kettle black mate.
Quote by starlightcouple
Resorting to sniping is a good idea the debate is lost.

When dealing with you it is an absolute pleasure. :kissmyarse::rascal:
GnV
Sex God
Quote by star
Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing.

Bloody hell, he's about to start blaming the Polish builders......
Unknown User
Quote by Rosie_and_Jim
..... I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.

On your own head be it..... Foxes are opportunistic scavengers and proliferate where there is easy food to have. The urban foxes aren't carrying Lidl bags - yet

I loved the You Tube link. I wonder how they set that one up? I wonder what scent was rubbed over that doll?
One of the people's comments below was rather apt I have to say.
HAHAHA so stupid. What has a fox taking some meat from a pram got to do with anything? Even the Channel 4 presenter told you to take this clip down as it is misleading. As the song goes 'the Countryside Alliance, you? can call them the C*nts for short'.
:thumbup:
As a very good idea, read some of the other comments below the video clip to realise what people thought of that utter nonsense. rolleyes
Unknown User
Quote by GnV
Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing.

Bloody hell, he's about to start blaming the Polish builders......
Well it certainly won't be bloody British builders GnV............will it? :doh:
GnV
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing.

Bloody hell, he's about to start blaming the Polish builders......
Well it certainly won't be bloody British builders GnV............will it? :doh:
No star, it won't. They'll all be down the pub getting pissed comme d'habitude :grin:
Unknown User
Quote by GnV
Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing.

Bloody hell, he's about to start blaming the Polish builders......
Well it certainly won't be bloody British builders GnV............will it? :doh:
No star, it won't. They'll all be down the pub getting pissed comme d'habitude :grin:
What pubs Gnv? How long you been gone for now? Have you not heard then? No pubs left. lol Everyone gets their beer form Tesco's....16 cans for a quid.
Bluefish2009
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple

By feeding them you are helping to turn them into something they were never meant to be, it is cruel in my eyes. Purely selfish on your part as you like to see them, you satisfy a self promotion but do nothing for the fox in the long run, only take natural ability's away from them

They are city foxes and are used to finding food from all kinds of places, all I am doing is making it a tad easier. I think their natural ability has already been taken away from them by the humans inability to dispose of their food waste properly.
Quote by Bluefish2009
You may see your self as a fox lover but you do them no favours in the long run, you are fooling your self

Why is that? What is the long run for foxes in inner cities then Blue? Invariably forced from their habitat by builders creating yet more housing. They have to live somewhere and they have to find food from somewhere, as mans incessant desire to build houses has meant the fox has little choice in what they do and how they do it. Blame anyone Blue, then blame councils and Governments for continuing to reduce wild animals natural habitats. I am helping currently a nice couple of foxes who have I would presume mated to have nice little fox cubs.
I do not belive you are helping foxes at all, only encouraging what is unatural, it is in my view for your own satisfaction that you do this and not to benafit the fox. If you want to see foxes doing well, get out into the countryside with your binoculars and see them in their natural habitat.
GnV
Sex God
Well, fuck my old boots.
I punched "how many pubs in Thamesmead" in google and guess what, the first on the list was 'The Fox' rotflmao
By the way, there are quite a few :lol2:
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Quote by Bluefish2009
If you want to see foxes doing well, get out into the countryside with your binoculars and see them in their natural habitat.

According to my very nice local Environmental Health officer who lives out in the countryside, he stated he does not see any foxes there now, they have all moved into the City areas, as much easier to find food.