They should have all been given whole life sentences, those children lost their young lives in a truly horrific manner and yet the parents + helper seem to get off pretty light. I hope they bring it back to court and the sentences increased to that of 'whole life'
They should have all been given whole life sentences, those children lost their young lives in a truly horrific manner and yet the parents + helper seem to get off pretty light. I hope they bring it back to court and the sentences increased to that of 'whole life'
That would be nice, but the bleeding heart brigade would probably disagree, and they usually get their way.
Toots I agree 100 % with your sentiments, but the law looked on this as a tragic case of manslaughter as the parents did not intend to kill their children. I had said all along that he was the instigator and that he thought by starting a fire he could get them out and become a hero. He and his Mrs never intended to kill the children, but his behaviour after their deaths should have meant a minimum of 25 years in priosn and not 15. That is to say a minimum of 15 years but it could be extended. The Mother gets 17 years but could be out after 7, and that's just over a year per life of the children that died. I have to say I have read many horror stories over the years with regards to nasty human beings, but I think this case is the worse of the lot. The Father is the worst that mankind can breed and only ever wanted the kids for the money it brought him. He never loved those kids, as when him and his Wife gave that press interview after 6 of his kids had perished,there was not a tear in sight. My hope is that both of them will face fear and hatred every single day of their lives.
8 years is absolutely ridiculous (taking account of remission of course) it is time the sentances reflected the crime in the UK and the end of remission, I understand remission is given for good behaviour, or supposed to be, but the truth is it is given pretty much in every case. Ok so it encourages inmates to behave well, but not if they know they will still get their remission, it should be abolished and replaced with a maximum sentance and a minimum sentance to be given at the same time, when reaching the minimum sentance period it should go before a parole board to consider early release based on good behaviour etc. Want to keep them well behaved, give the power to increase sentances for bad behaviour, the minimum/maximum would do that, for example murder 25 years maximum sentance awarded then depending on the circumstances make the minimum sentance 10 years or 15 years, the inmate would then know he or she could behave well and get out early. This guy had a long history of violence towards women including a previous attempted murder conviction, he has already served a 15 year sentance and not been rehabilitated, the powers that be let him out enabling him to commit further acts of violence and murder 6 children, something he could not have done if the original sentance had been appropriate and I doubt he could have proved he had changed therefore would not have been released early under the system I propose. A life sentance should be life albeit with a periodic review after 20 years. I believe Myra Hindley should never be released but I can understand why she moans that she has to serve life while murderers like this get a poxy 8 years, there is little difference between them. I hope this case goes to appeal resulting in an increase in the sentances but that is just more court costs that should not be needed. We should have the power to give concurrent life sentances like the US courts do not this convicted for one offence and the other offences taken into consideration so that they often only get sentanced to one term.
Quote by MidsCouple24 This guy had a long history of violence towards women including a previous attempted murder conviction, he has already served a 15 year sentance and not been rehabilitated, the powers that be let him out enabling him to commit further acts of violence and murder 6 children, something he could not have done if the original sentance had been appropriate and I doubt he could have proved he had changed therefore would not have been released early under the system I propose.
That is why he must serve a minimum of 15 years, and the other two got a lesser overall time in prison.
Quote by MidsCouple24 I believe Myra Hindley should never be released but I can understand why she moans that she has to serve life while murderers like this get a poxy 8 years, there is little difference between them.
There is a lot of difference between them Mids.............one is alive and the other is fecking dead. Hindley died in prison in November 2002 Mids. You been a a long coma or something? :rotflmao::rotflmao:
yep just read that and was about to edit what I put - 15 years is still not enough the last 15 year sentance he got did not change his ways, since serving that time he has continued to act violently towards women, motorists and the Police on numerous occasions.
Another thing we could learn from the US is the 3 strikes and your out rule, however I would amend this, commit arson twice then steal a pizza so you get life is ridiculous but related crimes such as multiple car theft, multiple murders at different times, multiple benefit fraud the third conviction should carry a mandatory maximum sentance for that offence. For example two convictions of fraud and one for drunk and disorderly should not break the 3 strikes rule. 3 convictions for violent crime should
Quote by MidsCouple24 yep just read that and was about to edit what I put - 15 years is still not enough the last 15 year sentance he got did not change his ways, since serving that time he has continued to act violently towards women, motorists and the Police on numerous occasions.
Mids that is why the other two will be out in around 7 years and he will serve at least 15 years if not longer. The Home Secretary whoever that is at that time, can decide to keep him in prison indefinitely. Am glad you quickly brushed over the Hindley howler. You're so eager to post Mids you sometimes are around a hundered miles ahead of yourself.
Quote by MidsCouple24 Another thing we could learn from the US is the 3 strikes and your out rule, however I would amend this, commit arson twice then steal a pizza so you get life is ridiculous but related crimes such as multiple car theft, multiple murders at different times, multiple benefit fraud the third conviction should carry a mandatory maximum sentance for that offence. For example two convictions of fraud and one for drunk and disorderly should not break the 3 strikes rule. 3 convictions for violent crime should
We do this in a way though. I know of someone who killed a passenger in their car in a RTA. Then a few years later he killed someone else in an RTA and he then got the biggest sentence possible for that crime simply because he had done it before.
Quote by nellie-mwgc We do this in a way though. I know of someone who killed a passenger in their car in a RTA. Then a few years later he killed someone else in an RTA and he then got the biggest sentence possible for that crime simply because he had done it before.
But that would only be taken into account if it were recent. If the first RTA was say in 1984 and the second one in 2011, I would be unsure if a Judge would look at both crimes in the same light as they would be years apart. There are always mitigating circumstances for all Judges when passing sentence.
If they spend any time in general population they will last about 1 day. Can you imagine them facing 400 men and women who haven't seen their own kids in years and worry every single day if they are being bullied or hurt while they, the parents, aren't there to look after them. Even paedophiles rarely kill, or wish to kill, their young victims and are likely to turn on this lot. Which means segregation may not be enough to protect them. I hope.
This guy had a long history of violence towards women including a previous attempted murder conviction, he has already served a 15 year sentance and not been rehabilitated, the powers that be let him out enabling him to commit further acts of violence and murder 6 children, something he could not have done if the original sentance had been appropriate and I doubt he could have proved he had changed therefore would not have been released early under the system I propose.
That is why he must serve a minimum of 15 years, and the other two got a lesser overall time in prison.
Quote by MidsCouple24 I believe Myra Hindley should never be released but I can understand why she moans that she has to serve life while murderers like this get a poxy 8 years, there is little difference between them.
There is a lot of difference between them Mids.............one is alive and the other is fecking dead. Hindley died in prison in November 2002 Mids. You been a a long coma or something? :rotflmao::rotflmao: I know she is dead now but for years she tried to get out but the system was adamant she never would, yet the regularly (including when she was alive) let out people who had done equally horrendous crimes) I can see why she thought that unfair but think that to make if fair and just the others should have been kept in as well
Quote by foxylady2209 If they spend any time in general population they will last about 1 day. Can you imagine them facing 400 men and women who haven't seen their own kids in years and worry every single day if they are being bullied or hurt while they, the parents, aren't there to look after them. Even paedophiles rarely kill, or wish to kill, their young victims and are likely to turn on this lot. Which means segregation may not be enough to protect them. I hope.
Very true but they will if they have any brain cells ask to be put on the protected wing, that won't stop the prisoners that serve their food spitting in it in front of them while the warders "don't notice" and other such "special treatment" though I hope though that the other prisoners refrain from attacking them and do find some other methods of showing them what they think, I am sick of seeing taxpayers money being paid to such people in compensation claims when this happens.
Quote by starlightcouple yep just read that and was about to edit what I put - 15 years is still not enough the last 15 year sentance he got did not change his ways, since serving that time he has continued to act violently towards women, motorists and the Police on numerous occasions.
Mids that is why the other two will be out in around 7 years and he will serve at least 15 years if not longer. The Home Secretary whoever that is at that time, can decide to keep him in prison indefinitely. Am glad you quickly brushed over the Hindley howler. You're so eager to post Mids you sometimes are around a hundered miles ahead of yourself. There was nothing to brush over Myra Hindley got sentanced to life imprisonment and served 36 years of her life sentance until her death just as the sentance had decreed she should that makes it relevant to the sentances given out during her life and after it. I knew she was dead but did not see the relevance in that in that as I say she got sentanced to life for a similar number of murders (5 at the time) and served life, whilst this guy got a far less sentance, time will show wether he gets out AGAIN.
Unfortunately the sentences were lenient. It's all down to the 'intent' apparently. Even if the kids had been saved according to his plan, they would still have suffered the effects of breathing in unburnt products of combustion and superheated gasses. When the resulting lack of oxygen is also factored in then brain damage, PTSD and other effects on the body and mind are a distinct possibility. Personally I think that intending to set fire to a house with any number of people in it is intending to put them in harms way; To deliberately do it to your own children is beyond the realms of my comprehension.
totaly agree then add to that his previous violent history and the pre-meditation, to me that makes him a danger to society for life and should be sentanced with that in mind let alone for what he actually did.
Quote by nellie-mwgc He isn't likely to get out in 15 years though.
Absolutely right! It is highly unlikely he will ever again walk the streets a free man....Why are people A:WAYS so quick to complain that the sentences are too lenient?? These comments bear no relation to reality.... this guy will almost certainly die behid bars ...which i think we would all agree is no more than he deserves..."lenient sentence?" I don't think so! Jack
Why then are judges so keen to give out short sentances if the intention is to keep them in for life stirring up bad feeling ? is that not an equally fair question ? And why if they intend keeping them locked up for life do such a high % get out early or at all ? the bulger case being a prime example of early release something which cannot happen if people are given life sentances from the start. History shows that very few actually serve a life sentance these days the only ones that I can recall are Hindley and Brady, time will tell if others do or not such as the yorkshire ripper who I do believe will die in prison but others who have committed equally hideous crimes will not.
One of the three will serve 15 years minimum and I agree that he will probably never be released. The other two could be out in 7 or 8 years, which is far too lenient for me.
We do this in a way though. I know of someone who killed a passenger in their car in a RTA. Then a few years later he killed someone else in an RTA and he then got the biggest sentence possible for that crime simply because he had done it before.
But that would only be taken into account if it were recent. If the first RTA was say in 1984 and the second one in 2011, I would be unsure if a Judge would look at both crimes in the same light as they would be years apart. There are always mitigating circumstances for all Judges when passing sentence. They were a big time apart, i put "few" simply because i don't wish to give to much info about myself, family and friends away. According to the police, CPS and judge, the amount of time betwen the offences is/was imaterial. In fact although the crimes were the same thing (someone driving a vehicle killed someone else while doing that and then repeated the crime years later) when the first crime was commited the actual name of the offence was different from what it was called when the second crime was commited ! Yes the judge does look at all evidence when sentancing someone but he said that because the person had done the same crime in the past then the sentence would be higher which is also what the police and CPS said.
Quote by Green_Fox_71 He isn't likely to get out in 15 years though.
Absolutely right! It is highly unlikely he will ever again walk the streets a free man....Why are people A:WAYS so quick to complain that the sentences are too lenient?? These comments bear no relation to reality.... this guy will almost certainly die behid bars ...which i think we would all agree is no more than he deserves..."lenient sentence?" I don't think so! Jack :thumbup:
Quote by nellie-mwgc He isn't likely to get out in 15 years though.
Absolutely right! It is highly unlikely he will ever again walk the streets a free man....Why are people A:WAYS so quick to complain that the sentences are too lenient?? These comments bear no relation to reality.... this guy will almost certainly die behid bars ...which i think we would all agree is no more than he deserves..."lenient sentence?" I don't think so! Jack :thumbup: I wonder how many said that when he got sentanced last time, if he did 15 years surely that means he was sentanced to 30 years at the time and as is the norm got his early release from the way it all works ?
Quote by MidsCouple24 He isn't likely to get out in 15 years though.
Absolutely right! It is highly unlikely he will ever again walk the streets a free man....Why are people A:WAYS so quick to complain that the sentences are too lenient?? These comments bear no relation to reality.... this guy will almost certainly die behid bars ...which i think we would all agree is no more than he deserves..."lenient sentence?" I don't think so! Jack :thumbup: I wonder how many said that when he got sentanced last time, if he did 15 years surely that means he was sentanced to 30 years at the time and as is the norm got his early release from the way it all works ? He didn't do 15 years. He was jailed for 7 years.
Quote by Max777 He isn't likely to get out in 15 years though.
Absolutely right! It is highly unlikely he will ever again walk the streets a free man....Why are people A:WAYS so quick to complain that the sentences are too lenient?? These comments bear no relation to reality.... this guy will almost certainly die behid bars ...which i think we would all agree is no more than he deserves..."lenient sentence?" I don't think so! Jack :thumbup: I wonder how many said that when he got sentanced last time, if he did 15 years surely that means he was sentanced to 30 years at the time and as is the norm got his early release from the way it all works ? He didn't do 15 years. He was jailed for 7 years. Is Myra Hindley still in prison Max? :giggle:
Quote by Lizaleanrob hopefully someone will set them on fire.
and of course try to douse the flames with acid :censored: I think that in all probability they will be segregated and under additional protection to prevent this kind of thing happening. I'm sure that it's only a matter of time before someone tries though.
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You're so eager to post Mids you sometimes are around a hundered miles ahead of yourself. 
