I'm not one to live in a world that I believe "everything will be alright"
And I certainly don't believe all people are good given the opportunity.
I quite frankly have a deep loathing of the actions of society in general, refleceting the greed and selfishness, general arrogance and thinly vieled bigotry of the populous.
I'm not a happy bunny when it comes to my national or world view.
In short I dispair.
However, I am one to get on with my life as best I can & try to understand the rules (be they general or legal) and live within to the very best of my ability. My views do not affect my approach towards the individual until they have had the opportunity to make plain the type of person they are. Fair's fair after all.
There are those amongst us who may feel the same way, others could be quite happy and optimistic for our, and future generations. Fantastic.
There are some who present very strong views (to which they are entitled) and back up thier arguments with pre-digested material seeming manufactured to fuel an attitude, not a debate or search for solutions.
My question is, as angry as you may be about something, no matter how many subjects you may find to be angry about, no matter how justified you might feel in sharing your ire and angst without much room for the views of those you present your cases too...
... if you feel so outraged at so much...
... instead of bringing more, and annoying yourself further...
what are you going to do about it?
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In this country you have a right to vote. Those in my opinion that do not vote for whatever reason, then have no reason to moan.
I think the riots will come, but over issues of race or religion. We have seen them in the past and I believe it will come but on a much bigger scale than before.
I do not trust politicians and I do not like many of them either. But I have a right to vote and I will.
I want this sleazy diabolical Government out, with their Liberal ways that have not worked. If they had worked they would not be on a hiding at the polls next year.
It is time for change....whether that change will be better I do not know, but what I do know is the the new Prime minister WILL be voted in by the electorate, and not by his party big knobs.
Many things are wrong now and one of the most important things are our culture and our history is slowly being wiped away. I want that to stop.
Cameron does not seem a bad bloke...who knows. What I do know is I have a RIGHT to vote and I will not waste that opportunity to do so.
I think the riots will come, but over issues of race or religion. We have seen them in the past and I believe it will come but on a much bigger scale than before.
I do not trust politicians and I do not like many of them either. But I have a right to vote and I will.
I want this sleazy diabolical Government out, with their Liberal ways that have not worked. If they had worked they would not be on a hiding at the polls next year.
It is time for change....whether that change will be better I do not know, but what I do know is the the new Prime minister WILL be voted in by the electorate, and not by his party big knobs.
Many things are wrong now and one of the most important things are our culture and our history is slowly being wiped away. I want that to stop.
Cameron does not seem a bad bloke...who knows. What I do know is I have a RIGHT to vote and I will not waste that opportunity to do so.
Sex God
We still get responses saying "riots please" immediately fopllowed by "you start, I'll join in".
Sorry but that should be converted to "I'll not do anything". Seriously. Do something about it or SHUT UP. Not interested in moaning and whinging unless it is accompanied by action of some kind.
My action? I will work within the society that I have chosen to be part of. If it ceases to suit me - I will change my preferred society. I have the power to do that because I have chosen to use the free education available in this country to make myself a transplantable commodity. It's not like the opportunities aren't available.
Jeez - therte's a guy in Africa who couldn't go to school so he educated himself via the library and now makes electricity generators for his and neighbouring villages.
Sorry but that should be converted to "I'll not do anything". Seriously. Do something about it or SHUT UP. Not interested in moaning and whinging unless it is accompanied by action of some kind.
My action? I will work within the society that I have chosen to be part of. If it ceases to suit me - I will change my preferred society. I have the power to do that because I have chosen to use the free education available in this country to make myself a transplantable commodity. It's not like the opportunities aren't available.
Jeez - therte's a guy in Africa who couldn't go to school so he educated himself via the library and now makes electricity generators for his and neighbouring villages.
As Kenty has rightly pointed out the riots will come, they will be massive and they will be about race and religion. I envisage some mind of sporadic city to city fighting that in many ways will resemble small scale civil war. Houses, vehicles, and businesses will burn and people will lose thier lives. Flower is also correct when he says that voting will change nothing, it will be the same people counting those votes and old school ties will continue to win the day. God only knows what it will be like when the dust settles on the cadavres of all the inocent victims. Those responsible will still be sat there safely in their ivory towers.
Me? I live in a village, grow my own vegetables, and do a little trapping and fishing. I shall be doing everything I can to survive and protect my children.
Sounds farfetched? Think about it!
Me? I live in a village, grow my own vegetables, and do a little trapping and fishing. I shall be doing everything I can to survive and protect my children.
Sounds farfetched? Think about it!
Sex God
How many times have I said it before, in the words of Gandhi: "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
Don't moan - act; don't prophesise - engage; don't wait for changes - make them.
Seriously, I despair sometimes. And no, that's not from some left-leaning political tendency, rather from my own experience working with young people and community groups. If more people got involved in their own communities then maybe they would see that grassroots action and organising can lead to important change.
Oh and foxylady, what a great story:
Don't moan - act; don't prophesise - engage; don't wait for changes - make them.
Seriously, I despair sometimes. And no, that's not from some left-leaning political tendency, rather from my own experience working with young people and community groups. If more people got involved in their own communities then maybe they would see that grassroots action and organising can lead to important change.
Oh and foxylady, what a great story:
Sex God
Quote by noladreams
How many times have I said it before, in the words of Gandhi: "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
Don't moan - act; don't prophesise - engage; don't wait for changes - make them.
Seriously, I despair sometimes. And no, that's not from some left-leaning political tendency, rather from my own experience working with young people and community groups. If more people got involved in their own communities then maybe they would see that grassroots action and organising can lead to important change.
Oh and foxylady, what a great story:
Isn't it? If one man - boy really - can do that, imagine what a whole nation could do.
:D:D:D Sex God
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Action or reaction, take your pick but it is too late honestly. We need to start again but first the whole carbunkle needs to be destroyed.
Go on then. Get on with it. Or are you another who says "you start the revolution, I'll join in later".?
<crosses arms, taps foot> Come on, we're waiting.
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Action or reaction, take your pick but it is too late honestly. We need to start again but first the whole carbunkle needs to be destroyed.
Go on then. Get on with it. Or are you another who says "you start the revolution, I'll join in later".?
<crosses arms, taps foot> Come on, we're waiting.
I had my time in the 80's, been attacked, arrested, kicked through materess in a police cell, it's time for the next generation. When this kicks off I shall stay here in my village and try to protect my children. Whatever replaces this crock of shit will be an improvement, of that I'm certain.
Quote by flower411
I may be wrong ....but I think that riots are generally "led" or at least coerced ...
Whereas revolutions are rather spontaneous affairs that start without leadership, only coming about through a general unhappiness with the current state of affairs ....
Leaders then emerge as the revolution takes hold...
There's a very fine line Flower, what starts with a few fists followed by bricks and bottles can escalate into full scale rioting, like we had in Brixton and Toxteth back in the 80's. I wasnt involved in those but there were copycat riots elsewhere that I won't bore you with. There have been riots in Oldham and Bradford not so long ago, yet the police are allowing a group called EDL to demostrate and that is a dangerous game they are playing. People have better access to weapons, including firearms now than they did 25 years ago. Kids threw petrol bombs back then, now they have guns and alsorts of nasties. It will be a lot more frightning next time.
the right to vote, for the general public, was fought for in struggles past. struggles between the two mutualy exclusive fundamental classes in society. the have's and the have not's, the owners and the owned, the masters and the slaves. the have not's created their own voice in the country's talking shop, through their organisations (trade unions) by financing the creation of the labour party.
but the wiley old rulers found the uneducated representatives of the slaves easy to corrupt with beer and sandwiches at the masters table and soon the keir hardy's and lloyd georges found themselves compromised and led their lions off to war for the profit of the rulers and millions of workers died from both sides at passiondale and ypres. just like the wankers today really. iraq,afghanistan,pakistan, iran next. until sheeple sharpen up to the theatre being played out in the name of "democracy" in westminster, i'm afraid it will be more of the same.
but the wiley old rulers found the uneducated representatives of the slaves easy to corrupt with beer and sandwiches at the masters table and soon the keir hardy's and lloyd georges found themselves compromised and led their lions off to war for the profit of the rulers and millions of workers died from both sides at passiondale and ypres. just like the wankers today really. iraq,afghanistan,pakistan, iran next. until sheeple sharpen up to the theatre being played out in the name of "democracy" in westminster, i'm afraid it will be more of the same.
So far it seems from the poll results, that the best way forward is to vote.
Whilst democracy is what gets Governments into power in the UK, I am also fully aware that democracy can mean anything to anyone.
In life in major problems you either talk around a table or you fight. Sometimes one can be better than the other and talking is only good if both parties want to talk. If one party is hell bent on fighting, then a fight it usually will be.
To riot is anarchy and to vote is democracy.
I have that right to vote and I will use it and put my x down under the Tories. I know it will not make a bit of difference in the wider scheme of things but,when this Government are booted out, I will feel in my own mind that I have helped in some small way.
To vote is surely better than to riot?
Whilst democracy is what gets Governments into power in the UK, I am also fully aware that democracy can mean anything to anyone.
In life in major problems you either talk around a table or you fight. Sometimes one can be better than the other and talking is only good if both parties want to talk. If one party is hell bent on fighting, then a fight it usually will be.
To riot is anarchy and to vote is democracy.
I have that right to vote and I will use it and put my x down under the Tories. I know it will not make a bit of difference in the wider scheme of things but,when this Government are booted out, I will feel in my own mind that I have helped in some small way.
To vote is surely better than to riot?
Ahhhh, democracy, that oft held ideal, sadly long since deceased, buried and rotted.
Get used to it, it no longer exists. There is no more red or blue, now all we have is just two similar shades of purple, it matters not who you vote for, your voting for the same system and ideas. Your voting for the same taxes, the same social decay, the same corruption. It will never change, why?
Career politicions. |It is a famous quote that those who wish to become politicions should be the first barred from doing so.
When you have a system which heaps massive benefits on those who are responsible for administering it, what chance have you got?
I've said this before, a government of national responsibility is the answer imho, a period of isolationist policy, no involvement in the affairs of other nations, a chance to sort our own problems, rioting will achieve nothing, voting will achieve nothing whilst westminster is in its current form.
We all need to look beyond our lives, our rampant consumerism and the desire to feather our own nests and become reinvolved with our communities, it is every citizens responsibility to work for the good of the whole.
Communism? Not imo, maybe humanistic?
I would love to see a 'non of the above' box on polling forms, will it ever happen? I don't think so, maybe a hung parliment would be fun for as long as it took one party to sell out to the highest bidder to gain a majority......one can dream eh?
Get used to it, it no longer exists. There is no more red or blue, now all we have is just two similar shades of purple, it matters not who you vote for, your voting for the same system and ideas. Your voting for the same taxes, the same social decay, the same corruption. It will never change, why?
Career politicions. |It is a famous quote that those who wish to become politicions should be the first barred from doing so.
When you have a system which heaps massive benefits on those who are responsible for administering it, what chance have you got?
I've said this before, a government of national responsibility is the answer imho, a period of isolationist policy, no involvement in the affairs of other nations, a chance to sort our own problems, rioting will achieve nothing, voting will achieve nothing whilst westminster is in its current form.
We all need to look beyond our lives, our rampant consumerism and the desire to feather our own nests and become reinvolved with our communities, it is every citizens responsibility to work for the good of the whole.
Communism? Not imo, maybe humanistic?
I would love to see a 'non of the above' box on polling forms, will it ever happen? I don't think so, maybe a hung parliment would be fun for as long as it took one party to sell out to the highest bidder to gain a majority......one can dream eh?
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If the people who are voted for did one single important thing that they promised to do ....then ...yes it would be better to vote ...
But as has been proven over the years and to such a degree in the last 2 years that not a single person can be in any doubt that democracy is just the act of voting to get shat on by a different person ....
When that happens ....when the elected fail totally to represent the people who voted for them .....then the electorate have no other option ....unless they just want to sit back and get shat on some more !!!
I blame edcuation for this, and I dont mean schooling or reading newspapers, as it is not until you are edcuated that you see whats happening, and have a better understanding. I think that is what scares the govenment these days. They know they don't have all the power now, is slowly slipping away.
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I wonder who the 1 that said shut up, could that have been 777?
Minx ....seriously ....Do you know what that post means ???
No, why do you, if so please explain
I have no idea !!! I was kinda hoping you knew what you meant !!! :shock:
I know what I meant, doesn't it make sense then? :roll:
Sex God
There's much talk of the RIGHT to vote .....it is not a right, it is the duty of every franchised person in this country to exercise this duty,and anyone who refuses to do so should be all have a responsibility to our society wether we like it's form or not, the way to change is though the ballot box...it's not very often I get near to agreeing with the honourable member from kent but he's right you've got to vote. To not vote and then sit and moan about the state of the world is a cop -out if you want change you have to move towards it not sit and wait for it to come.
It is the duty of every population to police its' government we are experiencing the results of a failure to do this,we can see the world over the failure of different peoples to do this. If there is one lesson from history we all need to learn it is that any country can only be ruled with the consent of it's population...when democracy fails the only answer is direct action,the nature of that action is formed by popular consent....if you don't like your society it is your duty to do your utmost to change it. so in answer to the OP's question most if not all of the above circumstance and opportunity are everything.
It is the duty of every population to police its' government we are experiencing the results of a failure to do this,we can see the world over the failure of different peoples to do this. If there is one lesson from history we all need to learn it is that any country can only be ruled with the consent of it's population...when democracy fails the only answer is direct action,the nature of that action is formed by popular consent....if you don't like your society it is your duty to do your utmost to change it. so in answer to the OP's question most if not all of the above circumstance and opportunity are everything.
Sex God
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There's much talk of the RIGHT to vote .....it is not a right, it is the duty of every franchised person in this country to exercise this duty,and anyone who refuses to do so should be all have a responsibility to our society wether we like it's form or not, the way to change is though the ballot box...it's not very often I get near to agreeing with the honourable member from kent but he's right you've got to vote. To not vote and then sit and moan about the state of the world is a cop -out if you want change you have to move towards it not sit and wait for it to come.
It is the duty of every population to police its' government we are experiencing the results of a failure to do this,we can see the world over the failure of different peoples to do this. If there is one lesson from history we all need to learn it is that any country can only be ruled with the consent of it's population...when democracy fails the only answer is direct action,the nature of that action is formed by popular consent....if you don't like your society it is your duty to do your utmost to change it. so in answer to the OP's question most if not all of the above circumstance and opportunity are everything.
Are you serious? If I have the choice between a criminal, an idiot and a moron - I am still FORCED to vote? What rubbish! Being forced to vote is no better than being forced NOT to vote. What's the difference? The only reason to vote is if you see at least ONE option you actially want to get in. If there isn't a single party I want to see in power what do you expect me to do? Vote for the least bad? What sort of crap option is that?
What we need is an option that says "None of the above". And if that option wins, EVERY candidate loses their deposit and brand new candidates have to stand. maybe then they'll make an effort to at least be beleivable.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
And it`s the duty of lambs and cattle to go quietly to the slaughter and of lemmings to jump off cliffs !!
It is the destiny of lambs and cattle to go to their slaughter....lemmings do not jump of cliffs, I do not believe in manifest destiny it is in my own hands to choose my fate ,and by extension it is in the people of this countrys hands to choose their fate...the fact that they refuse to see this is a manifestation of their apathy and ignorance not their destiny.
I strongly believe that a positive abstention should be put on every ballot paper...if you wish to register your disgust DO IT don't sit at home whinging.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And it`s the duty of lambs and cattle to go quietly to the slaughter and of lemmings to jump off cliffs !!
It is the destiny of lambs and cattle to go to their slaughter....lemmings do not jump of cliffs, I do not believe in manifest destiny it is in my own hands to choose my fate ,and by extension it is in the people of this countrys hands to choose their fate...the fact that they refuse to see this is a manifestation of their apathy and ignorance not their destiny.
I strongly believe that a positive abstention should be put on every ballot paper...if you wish to register your disgust DO IT don't sit at home whinging.
there is no positive abstention at the moment. Marking anything on your paper other than a recognisable vote for one of the listed candidates will simply result in the vote not being counted. It doesn't get put into a pile marked "registering their disgust". It goes in the pile marked "uncountable" or some such. And simply doesn't get counted. There is no way to register your disgust - NONE.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
And it`s the duty of lambs and cattle to go quietly to the slaughter and of lemmings to jump off cliffs !!
It is the destiny of lambs and cattle to go to their slaughter....lemmings do not jump of cliffs, I do not believe in manifest destiny it is in my own hands to choose my fate ,and by extension it is in the people of this countrys hands to choose their fate...the fact that they refuse to see this is a manifestation of their apathy and ignorance not their destiny.
I strongly believe that a positive abstention should be put on every ballot paper...if you wish to register your disgust DO IT don't sit at home whinging.
there is no positive abstention at the moment. Marking anything on your paper other than a recognisable vote for one of the listed candidates will simply result in the vote not being counted. It doesn't get put into a pile marked "registering their disgust". It goes in the pile marked "uncountable" or some such. And simply doesn't get counted. There is no way to register your disgust - NONE.
27 million out of 44 million voted in the 2005 general election.....17 million spoilt ballot papers would not go un-noticed....lying to yourself about your power and responsibility is not the answer...so as kenty said (JESUS i'm quoting kenty now)you either riot or vote, take your pick....give me a call I'll man the barricades in the right cause.
Quote by foxylady2209
And it`s the duty of lambs and cattle to go quietly to the slaughter and of lemmings to jump off cliffs !!
It is the destiny of lambs and cattle to go to their slaughter....lemmings do not jump of cliffs, I do not believe in manifest destiny it is in my own hands to choose my fate ,and by extension it is in the people of this countrys hands to choose their fate...the fact that they refuse to see this is a manifestation of their apathy and ignorance not their destiny.
I strongly believe that a positive abstention should be put on every ballot paper...if you wish to register your disgust DO IT don't sit at home whinging.
there is no positive abstention at the moment. Marking anything on your paper other than a recognisable vote for one of the listed candidates will simply result in the vote not being counted. It doesn't get put into a pile marked "registering their disgust". It goes in the pile marked "uncountable" or some such. And simply doesn't get counted. There is no way to register your disgust - NONE.
Foxy I hear what you are saying here.
But surely there is a party for everyone...no?
Whether it be the green party, the Monster raving party ( do they still exist )?.
There is the BNP for the right, Labour for the left, the Tories for the toffs, the climate change brigade ( not a blooming chance
).Whatever your political persuasion, there is a party that caters for it.
Sorry but if you do not vote, then if anyone was to moan...tough.
In this political age the only way people can change things is through the ballot box, or by a revolution. Now the Brits in general are a moaning whingy lot, who moan but actually do jack shit about it, unlike in France.
The only times I can remember where the " people " changed things was the Poll tax revolt and riots, and the fuel both occasions the Government backed down but....fuel prices that actually triggered the protests was when it reached 80p a litre. Now it is what or higher?
The poll tax whilst it was good in principle, it was the ammounts that were so unfair. Now though we pay a huge ammount more pro rata, and I do not even get me bins emptied every week now. My house rubbish sits outside stinking for now two weeks.
Sorry but if you do not vote, then I cannot understand ones moaning....so vote. :wink:
