whats wrong with teachers

9 Apr 2012

knowing that there is a few teachers on this site i quite surprised that few if any have given their views on the matter
is it really a problem as the report says ?
where does the problem lie ?
has it become such a problem it's a case of give up on a losing battle ?
why is it a teacher can't make headway with one child when another does it with ease ?
I'm not sure why becoming a teacher is a chosen profession if things are as bad as Emma's post why stay ??
funny because some are far to quick to to criticise spelling and grammar here but seem unwilling to debate the matter????

9 Apr 2012

I commented on Emma's post partly as a parent who has taken the blame all to many times for poor behaviour, and partly because a good friend has just decided to move into teaching.
My friend has done all the work experience, including placements in sink estates not too far from Bolton, and yet she has still decided that this is a better career.

9 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
knowing that there is a few teachers on this site i quite surprised that few if any have given their views on the matter
is it really a problem as the report says ?
where does the problem lie ?
has it become such a problem it's a case of give up on a losing battle ?
why is it a teacher can't make headway with one child when another does it with ease ?
I'm not sure why becoming a teacher is a chosen profession if things are as bad as Emma's post why stay ??
funny because some are far to quick to to criticise spelling and grammar here but seem unwilling to debate the matter????

rob i am fully aware that by giving a link to the sun newspaper on this site, is going to bring the usual comments, but i feel this article has the makings of one of the best i have read on the subject of this debate.

" Yet as Britain slides remorselessly down the league tables for science, maths and language skills, the only response from strike-happy NUT chief Christine Blower is a threat to walk out ".
as i have stated already, cash and there gold plated pensions seem to be at the front of this. and damn the childs education.
the whole article speaks volumns for the current state of the education system, and as usual the unions are in the thick of things that have a bad smell to them.

9 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
snip(pets)...
knowing that there is a few teachers on this site i quite surprised that few if any have given their views on the matter
funny because some are far to quick to to criticise spelling and grammar here but seem unwilling to debate the matter????

Not a teacher but married to one (who left teaching over 2 decades ago) so maybe I am qualified to give a view dunno

From my own personal experience of teachers (both professional and personal) there is a dedication rarely matched in other professions.
What has killed it for teachers in the modern day is the constant tinkering by successive governments and the inability, brought about by liberalist and loony left do-gooders, that teachers should not be allowed to chastise or sanction children in loco parentis just as parents themselves are now shit scared of dealing out punishment to their own offspring for fear of ending up before the courts or having them taken away by Social Security.
The child wins. Education and society in general loses.
Snotty nosed little brats now rule the roost - even to the extent (in one case I could cite - but won't, because I can't find the link) where the lunacy continues into the little darlings sitting on an interview panel to decide who will be appointed as teachers and teacher managers (sorry, headteachers in old money!).
In the end, it becomes just a job like any other in order to pay the bills. In many cases its even just a fight for survival as the lovely little darlings come 'tooled up' to the classroom and are quite prepared to 'stick' teachers between the ribs with a bladed instrument (in my day it was called a knife) and cause them significant harm. They even attack them on social networking sites as already mentioned in this thread so is it little wonder that teachers now want to be inconspicuous and just look forward to the day when they can draw their pension - hopefully, not a disability one - if they are fortunate enough to live that long (even longer now, thanks to the austerity measures following in the wake of GB et al).
Don't blame the teachers. Society has fucked-up big time.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it (but not behind the bike sheds these days - the precious little darlings probably get away with doing it in full view of the teacher in the classroom!)

9 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
snip(pets)...
knowing that there is a few teachers on this site i quite surprised that few if any have given their views on the matter
funny because some are far to quick to to criticise spelling and grammar here but seem unwilling to debate the matter????

Not a teacher but married to one (who left teaching over 2 decades ago) so maybe I am qualified to give a view dunno

From my own personal experience of teachers (both professional and personal) there is a dedication rarely matched in other professions.
What has killed it for teachers in the modern day is the constant tinkering by successive governments and the inability, brought about by liberalist and loony left do-gooders, that teachers should not be allowed to chastise or sanction children in loco parentis just as parents themselves are now shit scared of dealing out punishment to their own offspring for fear of ending up before the courts or having them taken away by Social Security.
The child wins. Education and society in general loses.
Snotty nosed little brats now rule the roost - even to the extent (in one case I could cite - but won't, because I can't find the link) where the lunacy continues into the little darlings sitting on an interview panel to decide who will be appointed as teachers and teacher managers (sorry, headteachers in old money!).
In the end, it becomes just a job like any other in order to pay the bills. In many cases its even just a fight for survival as the lovely little darlings come 'tooled up' to the classroom and are quite prepared to 'stick' teachers between the ribs with a bladed instrument (in my day it was called a knife) and cause them significant harm. They even attack them on social networking sites as already mentioned in this thread so is it little wonder that teachers now want to be inconspicuous and just look forward to the day when they can draw their pension - hopefully, not a disability one - if they are fortunate enough to live that long (even longer now, thanks to the austerity measures following in the wake of GB et al).
Don't blame the teachers. Society has fucked-up big time.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it (but not behind the bike sheds these days - the precious little darlings probably get away with doing it in full view of the teacher in the classroom!)
thanks for that G
always nice to have a alternative view explained so well
i do wonder about kids that aren't "little shits" though do you think these are missing out on getting extra help because the unruly?

9 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i do wonder about kids that aren't "little shits" though do you think these are missing out on getting extra help because the unruly?

I've no current experience on this but it is more than likely the case that the pace will move with the general classroom trend - slowly, if at all.
All the more reason for subscribing unashamedly to the view that elitism in private education works. If the 'little shits' are unruly, they get sent home to mummy and daddy with their dummies firmly but noisily positioned up their pretty little arses by their less disruptive peers in a quiet dormitory away from the hearing of the house masters study and there is still a year's school fees still to pay.
With private school fees ever increasing, this tends to focus minds somewhat on the task in hand and thus peer pressure is used to very good effect in minimising any interruption to their exclusive seat of learning.
A private school teacher of our acquaintance once told us how refreshing it was to teach kids who want to learn. I now wonder if he ever had access to an understanding of how the 'system' worked :lol2:
Daddy's little darlings will conform eventually - even it requires major surgery to remove a dozen or so dummies sequentially inserted in their anus with the aid of the blunt end of a pool cue :shock:
Have to be careful though, some might begin to enjoy it wink

10 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Not a teacher but married to one (who left teaching over 2 decades ago) so maybe I am qualified to give a view

how things must have changed for your wife over those two decades, and no doubt how glad she is to be out of it.

Quote by GnV
From my own personal experience of teachers (both professional and personal) there is a dedication rarely matched in other professions.

now or back then gnv? because today it is obvious it is about money and there pensions which are far better than most from what i have read, and damn many other things.

Quote by GnV
What has killed it for teachers in the modern day is the constant tinkering by successive governments and the inability, brought about by liberalist and loony left do-gooders, that teachers should not be allowed to chastise or sanction children in loco parentis just as parents themselves are now shit scared of dealing out punishment to their own offspring for fear of ending up before the courts or having them taken away by Social Security.
The child wins. Education and society in general loses.
Snotty nosed little brats now rule the roost - even to the extent (in one case I could cite - but won't, because I can't find the link) where the lunacy continues into the little darlings sitting on an interview panel to decide who will be appointed as teachers and teacher managers (sorry, headteachers in old money!).
In the end, it becomes just a job like any other in order to pay the bills. In many cases its even just a fight for survival as the lovely little darlings come 'tooled up' to the classroom and are quite prepared to 'stick' teachers between the ribs with a bladed instrument (in my day it was called a knife) and cause them significant harm. They even attack them on social networking sites as already mentioned in this thread so is it little wonder that teachers now want to be inconspicuous and just look forward to the day when they can draw their pension - hopefully, not a disability one - if they are fortunate enough to live that long (even longer now, thanks to the austerity measures following in the wake of GB et al).

what a bleak but i fear a sad and true indictment of how things are now gnv.

Quote by GnV
Don't blame the teachers. Society has fucked-up big time.

sorry gnv but some teachers do have to take the blame, just look at some of the Ofsted reports on failing schools and failing teachers. plus over powerful teaching unions are also to blame let us not forget. also the teaching degree has dropped from four to three years which surely was never going to be a good thing for a new teacher, was it? of course society in general has fucked up as you say, but is it society or a last labour government hell bent on destroying many things about this country. i said earlier in my thread about the mass influx of immigrants to this little island of ours, and this is an example that you cannot fit 100 eggs into a basket that was made to only fit 50, without crushing a few eggs along the way and making an awful mess of things in the process.

Quote by GnV
So put that in your pipe and smoke it (but not behind the bike sheds these days - the precious little darlings probably get away with doing it in full view of the teacher in the classroom!)

no probably about it, that would be a fact. the last teachers strike i saw, some of those demonstrators, would not have looked out of place at Dale farm. sadly as like with the NHS, fantastic staff over the years have left and been replaced with peeple that struggle to do a decent job for there patients/pupils. yes and a sad indictment of modern 2012 britain as well.

10 Apr 2012

can this reely be true gnv?

10 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

can this reely be true gnv?

This bit amused me...

Quote by The Daily Wail
"Mrs Keates added: ‘We’ve had practices ranging from children sitting at the back of classrooms, watching teachers with check lists, to unacceptable covert practices where children have been identified before a lesson starts by management."

If what The Daily Wail says is true, things have moved on from when I was at school in the 60's.
In our class, there used to be a lad who sat at the back and wanked for most of the lesson :grin:

10 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
unacceptable covert practices

If what The Daily Wail says is true, things have moved on from when I was at school in the 60's.
In our class, there used to be a lad who sat at the back and wanked for most of the lesson :grin:
I think that's exactly what it's saying.

10 Apr 2012

:laughabove::laughabove:
Well, he did hide it up his jumper if the teacher looked in his direction innocent

10 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i do wonder about kids that aren't "little shits" though do you think these are missing out on getting extra help because the unruly?

I think there are going to be good teachers and bad teachers, plus everything in-between, just as there always has been.
I had a falling out with a teacher some while back, my step daughter, who is not that well behaved at school was caught writing on a toilet door. For this she received an after school detention, fare enough you might say, as did we. After the detention she came home and proudly announced, "I got a merit". What for? we asked. The end result was that because she had made such a good job of cleaning the door the teacher gave her a merit.
Now this is madness in our view, we happen to know quite a few children at this school and some are working very hard to achieve a merit and never quite getting there. Short sighted, unfair and madness in my view.

15 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

can this reely be true gnv?

I hope this is true. I would equate it to the "mystery shopper" for retail. I get it at my work where "mystery complainants" call and we are marked on what we say and how we act.
Why would a good teacher worry about being marked on their performance dunno

. I don't worry about people marking me as I treat all the clients I talk to the same..........................with contempt bolt

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